Colin Powell still experiencing hallucinations

[justacruiser]

Originally Posted by MR2-AW11

You are endlessly hopeless Trust your government it loves you, it loves you, it loves you...

And so are you! Loathe your government, it'll kill you, it'll kill you, it'll kill you...

[MR2-AW11]

My government? Which would that be justacruiser? You see ... not everyone just believes their government..

Taranaki please come in here This has turned into yet another pointless thread

[Flatrater]

Originally Posted by MR2-AW11

My government? Which would that be justacruiser? You see ... not everyone just believes their government..

Taranaki please come in here This has turned into yet another pointless thread

Are you saying if it doesn't agree with your stance it is a pointless topic?

[justacruiser]

Originally Posted by MR2-AW11

My government? Which would that be justacruiser? You see ... not everyone just believes their government..

Taranaki please come in here This has turned into yet another pointless thread

Why? So he can back you up when you can't argue for yourself? It's up to him as to whether or not he wants to join in on this wreck.

What exactly the hell did you just say?? You live in Canada, yeah I get it, but what does, "You see ... not everyone just believes their government.." imply? Do you not trust your government? THAT'S a surprise if it's true! If that's what you meant, you'll be the first Canadian I've EVER seen who implies having these feelings. It seems no one from any other country enjoys pointing out any fallacies in the way their governments are run, only the way the U.S. government is run.

[igor@af]

Originally Posted by justacruiser

It seems no one from any other country enjoys pointing out any fallacies in the way their governments are run, only the way the U.S. government is run.

Now.. I am going to say something really quick and run away, so don't chase me on this one

This, my friend, is because the United States government sticks its nose in everyone else's business around the globe for self-benefit. Don't get me wrong, most governments would love to be in this position but are incapable due to the fact that they do not have the strongest military and greatest economy in the world.


alright! I am outta here

[justacruiser]

Originally Posted by igor@af

Now.. I am going to say something really quick and run away, so don't chase me on this one

This, my friend, is because the United States government sticks its nose in everyone else's business around the globe for self-benefit. Don't get me wrong, most governments would love to be in this position but are incapable due to the fact that they do not have the strongest military and greatest economy in the world.


alright! I am outta here

Actually, I think it's more because when the U.S. plays proctologist it doesn't hide behind the glove of the U.N. like other countries do. Also, "because the United States government sticks its nose in everyone else's business around the globe for self-benefit." we wouldn't BE in the position we're in if it weren't for this. I could go with a bit less nosing around, but doing things for self benefit? What are we a charity? Of course what we do will benefit us in some way! It's the way countries work, they're kind of like businesses in that way.

[igor@af]

No, United States got an unfair advantage during its developing years due its vast material resources and because of the great intellectuals with wonderful ideas who formed the country. I will bet you anything (and I am not afraid to do so) that if the founding fathers were in control of America right now it will be different than the reality in many a great ways. Especially on the international affairs front.

As for your charity comment and comparison of nations to businesses, re-read my statement and realize that it is exactly what I said

So we're not really disagreeing, but my original point was that this is why people from other nations bash United States. I was simply responding to this statement you made:
"It seems no one from any other country enjoys pointing out any fallacies in the way their governments are run, only the way the U.S. government is run."

[justacruiser]

Originally Posted by igor@af

No, United States got an unfair advantage during its developing years due its vast material resources and because of the great intellectuals with wonderful ideas who formed the country.

How's that unfair? The resources would definitely give us an advantage yes, but those intellectuals moved here from other countries. Not our fault if they liked living here better than there. Though things were different on the domestic front back then.

Originally Posted by igor@af

I will bet you anything (and I am not afraid to do so) that if the founding fathers were in control of America right now it will be different than the reality in many a great ways. Especially on the international affairs front.

It sure would be! They'd probably rescind the first amendment due to the media nowadays or order the companies to shape up or ship out and they'd probably re-word the second amendment so no judge could twist it around. The federal government would have MUCH less power, (since most of the founding fathers didn't trust any type of large institution), than it does right now and this country would have pretty much returned to isolationism again after WW2. I seriously doubt there would have even been a Cold War, or at least we probably wouldn't have participated in it.

Originally Posted by igor@af

As for your charity comment and comparison of nations to businesses, re-read my statement and realize that it is exactly what I said

Well, that's true.

Originally Posted by igor@af

So we're not really disagreeing, but my original point was that this is why people from other nations bash United States. I was simply responding to this statement you made:
"It seems no one from any other country enjoys pointing out any fallacies in the way their governments are run, only the way the U.S. government is run."

Despite it not really doing TOO much aggressive posturing in foreign areas, notice how China never gets shit on despite them interfering with our own government and threatening Taiwan constantly? Interfering with Korea, Vietnam and pretty much the whole region around them? Never hear word one about the stuff they do, only what we do. Now, our own media make ourselves much more of a target than China or any other country for bashing because all they do is dredge up filth and bigotry to look at, but foreign media seems to focus on us as well. Maybe we're just entertaining or something... :/

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by MR2-AW11

Taranaki please come in here This has turned into yet another pointless thread

If you are asking me to close this thread,I'm sorry,but it doesn't work like that.Threads in this forum are usually allowed to run until one side tires of listening,and walks away.

Making a concious choice to stop posting is not an admission that the other guy has the better argument.If I walk away from a thread here,it is usually because I believe that my opponent has nothing to say that is worthy of a reply.

[igor@af]

Now back to topic,

Reasons China is not criticized here:

1. It is still way down there on the national interference scale in comparison to US.
2.There are not that many people that you could entertain with political discussions regarding China as there are hardly any AF members from there.

I used the word 'unfair' loosely - I am sure you could gather from my tone that I have great respect for the founding fathers (I have studied this topic extensively and hold great interest in those great gentlemen).

The bottomline to all of this:

United States is a marvelous nation, but the current administration is simply too corrupt to be trusted with something as great and as powerful as the United States. They simply have too many direct and obvious ties with the energy buddies in the corporate world as well as the Middle East. This should be enough for people to realize we need a regime change at home. Sure, people will always disagree on issues and dirt will be found on any politician, but I just feel that there is too much on our current guy, and I cannot help but shake my head when I see honest people blindly follow him because he is a 'good Christian fighting the Evil-doers.'

[Flatrater]

Originally Posted by igor@af

Now.. I am going to say something really quick and run away, so don't chase me on this one

This, my friend, is because the United States government sticks its nose in everyone else's business around the globe for self-benefit. Don't get me wrong, most governments would love to be in this position but are incapable due to the fact that they do not have the strongest military and greatest economy in the world.


alright! I am outta here

I am sorry Igor but I have to disagree with you! I have to say most countries butt there noses in everyone's business! Most countries are in the position to do this thru the United Nations. Afterall what does the UN do but meddle in every country on the planet! When Bush wanted to invade Iraq he asked the UN for premission and the French, the Russians butted there noses into it! And they tried to stop it! Why because they were making money off of Sadam and didn't want to lose it.

If Sadam wants to kill all his people I say go right ahead and do it! If China or Russia or any other country that is oppressive in nature want to destroy itself go right ahead and do it! I say we Amercians should stay at home quit meddling in other countries and just let them self destruct! Why should we have our soldiers and dollars be lost to fix a country that doesn't want us there! We should just keep our dollars in the US and hell with the rest of the world! We should take the UN cut it off the US let it float out to sea!

[justacruiser]

Actually with the way the people in foreign countries are, (especially them), and the liberals are here, if God himself was the president of the U.S. they'd still find some bullshit to rag on him about, no matter how trivial.

You know, now that I think about it, it's pretty sad when, if God actually did run for president, he'd probably lose thanks to liberals.

1. He'd be against abortion. (There goes N.O.W. with the bra burning.)

2. He created man to be lord of the Earth, so any arguments with the E.P.A. about animals not having rights would go up in smoke.

3. Being Gay is an abomination to him, so there go the queers.

God wouldn't stand a chance in a campaign race nowadays.