The scam play of western media on the israeli-palestinean conflict

[syr74]

I know who Manji is, and no I have not studied with her, nor have I ever met her. And, while she violates several areas of Shari'a, that doesn't necessarily men that she doesn't know the law as you assume. Obedience of the law and knowledge of the law are two entirely different things. I am also not a supporter if Ms. Manji, and am at a loss for why you would assume that I am.

Don't assume that the folks I studied under are not what most muslims would consider "good" muslims either. Most were. Two are very well known in-particular, and I have never heard either's faith doubted. I could mention both (and as I said before I wont) and you would know one for certain if you are versed in Muslim scholars, the other...maybe, maybe not.

However, I think you mistake my opinion for the opinion of my teachers. And, that is an assumption you should not make. My Professors simply took the time to endow me with a knowledge of Islam, they did not form my opinions for me.

Both of those men would disagree with me vehemently in many, many areas. The are of Israel and the Palestinians is no exception. And, I didn't realize that "btw, here is a question for you" was such an in-depth statement...lol.

I am impressed with your comments about Islamic government. You are correct, there is no existing government that is truly "Islamic" in existance today. If you read all of my posts in this thread then you know that I have alluded to that twice already myself. Once in my original post:

"Most of these Professors were originally from an Islamic nation, (as close as you get today at least)

And then again in my last post:

"But, you neglect to mention that they wont tolerate any government other than a Shari'a based goverment in the region period. (They will however tolerate goverments based very poorly on the Shari'a)"

One of my Professors constantly reminded me of this fact and now I cannot help but acknowledge it automatically when discussing Islamic government. Danged these habits. But, as most of the governments I meantioned base their laws on a combination of colonial law and Shari'a there is no better description for them....sorry.

And as for Christians arriving during the Crusades. You mean after a certain Imam went off and destroyed a certain Church in Jeruslam? I think you know who I mean and which church I am referring to. Just what did he or the Muslims think would happen after he did this? The Christians would send gifts? I don't care if it was later rebuilt or not.

That would be like Sharon tearing down the Al Aqsa mosque and then the Israeli PM after him rebuilding it and not understanding why Muslims were still ticked off anyway.

[MR2-AW11]

http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article2355.shtml

:anger:

A mosque, 75 ppl homeless, 9 houses and 9 donums of land.. destroyed...! AND no stinking western media coverage...!!!!

This shit is nearly daily... it pisses me off so much!

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by Cbass

They are being led by mass murderers? I'm afraid you're going to have to back that one up.

Now thats a gimme. Arafat.

[stealthj]

More Palestenians Have Died Than Israelis

Palestenians And Israelis Were Living In Peace In Palestine Until Israel Wanted It For Themselves And Wated To Rename That Country

They Were Back By The English And It Happeend....but Dont Say The Palestenians Are Just Bombers That It. They Become These Suicide Retartds For A Reaosn, They Lost A Family Member Or Something

Peace In The Middle East, And Rememebr, The Palestenians Got Kicked Out, And They Are The Oens Suffering More, They Are The Ones With The Higher Deathtoll By More Than Double

[YogsVR4]

So the side that has the largest casualty rate is the side that is right. Okay.

[stealthj]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

So the side that has the largest casualty rate is the side that is right. Okay.

no just saying that sometimes i hear israelis saying they have to fear for therye life and shit and cant live a normal life in these conditions, so im sayin the palestenians are facing the same thing

[DGB454]

syr74..


Excellent post from you on this thread. Very interesting and informative.
I really enjoyed reading them.

[MR2-AW11]

Difference between Israeli 'fear' and Palestinieans fear is that the Palestinians end up living in ghettos while Israelis live in their comfy settled caffee, bar, and appartments.

Difference between israeli army attacking palestinians and occupying land causing the ghettos and if there is any other word stronger then ghetto.. that would be it..

While on the other hand Palistinians who resolve to suicide bombing lose their home, their family, their friends, absolutely their entire dignitiy and well.. everything.. rethink what the meaning suicide means? What would drive someone to such a deed?

For instance the suicide bomber lady who there was a piece of artwork in memory which a israeli ambassador sabottaged few days ago .. she lost her whole family and home, but not a single thing of that was mentioned in the media.. naturally... and anyone attempting to summon that information has been silenced and further agression was commited by the israeli army in that very neighbourhood..

Yogs you clearly have a limited undesratnding of this conflict by saying something as stupendous and ignorant sarcastically as "So the side that has the largest casualty rate is the side that is right. Okay". Otherwise you are just plain evil.

I must restate this but it seems people just WOOSH by the fact ignorantly that Israel was CREATED with the aid of British colonialism, disregarding the local populance ASSUMING they would just not mind and blend in other arab countries and forget about their homeland.

It's absolutely 'wtf' shocking that people don't notice something wrong with a foreign power coming in a foreign land carving borders for ANOTHER foreign people and disregarding the local people entirely.

[DGB454]

What would make a person become a suicide bomber? Years of radical teaching in their schools and at home that they should hate Jews. Years of teaching that they will be rewarded in the next life if they become suicide bombers.
I don't blame her for what she did. I blame those who taught her that it was the noble and right thing to do.

[asterox]

I think Israel should close their borders.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by MR2-AW11

Yogs you clearly have a limited undesratnding of this conflict by saying something as stupendous and ignorant sarcastically as "So the side that has the largest casualty rate is the side that is right. Okay". Otherwise you are just plain evil.

Then you didn't read the post that came before mine which is a good indication that you take things out of context for your own use. That is not an uncommon trait around here though.

[DGB454]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Then you didn't read the post that came before mine which is a good indication that you take things out of context for your own use. That is not an uncommon trait around here though.

I'll second that last comment.

Yea Yogs.

[stealthj]

mr2-aw11, these guys dont know the whole truth

my girlfriend has lived in israel for 13 years and what you have said is right according to her