mustang vs nissan

[syr74]

More excuses from the Nissan camp. These excuses are hardly worth debating, considering how weak and obviously contrived these arguments are.

The Cobra is assembled in a Ford factory, of Ford designed and manufactured parts, by Ford employees. Hmmmm, yeah I can see why that wouldn't be considered a stock Ford....lol.

To compare a car assembled out of house by a tuner who is in no way a part of Nissan to a completely in house job is is clearly a sign of desperation. SVT is a part of Ford Motor Company....hard to get much more clear cut than that.

I think Nacho and Longlive are the only two people in here so-far who buy their "reasoning". I will say that creating excuses does not help your argument that the Z-car is competitive. People generally do not make excuses unless they feel they need to.

[nacho_nissan]

yah,like i said the cobra is "stock".It is assembled in the ford factory,but SVT gives the gay mustang a nicer,cleaner,faster touch. They just dont do it as aftermarket. So it is stock, But it's not tuned just by ford,SVT kicks in...so thats why we think it is not fairly stock...Yes they compare it against stock cars,because it's "stock"...

[Neutrino]

ok enough is enough...you already have 14 pages worth of poswhoring in the 350Z forum section and now you guys expand this fight in different forums


this quote is from the 350z forum debate

Originally Posted by nacho_nissan

longlivetheZ,what do u think if we do this thread in the mustang section? ghetto7o2azn agrees that we should...And im sure drifter guy will be glad to help us....

btw this is not gang warfare forums.....with a twist that instead of having gangs from different hoods you have them from different car manufaturers

[longlivetheZ]

Kurtdg19, you have proven yourself to be one of the coolset, most down to earth people I've talked to in these forums and I appreciate it.

This has gotten twisted around too much. We're not even talking about what the post started out as in the Nissan forums. Cobra stock or not or what ever....that'll go on forever....it's not a stock car....it's sold at the dealer and that's where the similarities to the other mustangs end.

This whole "stock or not" thing is not the point...the only reason this was brought up at all is because it pisses me off how you damn cobra guys (I know I'm generalizing a bit, but meh) think you're the baddest things ever. It's faster then the Z...but you're comparing it to a supercharged V8. Excuse: To explain (a fault or an offense) in the hope of being forgiven or understood. I'm not looking for pity or mercy or forgiveness...it'd be nice if you understood what I'm saying. Could you guys take a LITTLE more of an advantage over the stock Z? The Z could probably beat any mustang already. I haven't seen any performance stats for the s/c'ed Zs yet...

My point is the cobra, and mustangs in general, are poorly designed cars that make poor use of what power they do make and they will never compare to the Z of past or present unless highly modified (or "stock" with a supercharger and intercooler and different heads and different gearing and on and on and on and on....whatever...) and making it completely unfair.

Originally Posted by longlivetheZ

My point is the cobra, and mustangs in general, are poorly designed cars that make poor use of what power they do make and they will never compare to the Z of past or present unless highly modified (or "stock" with a supercharger and intercooler and different heads and different gearing and on and on and on and on....whatever...) and making it completely unfair.

They will never?....they will never?.....What the hell.............First of all, they do compare without high modications. Poor designed? What bull.....typical Nissan fan comment, got nothing else to say about the unpopular Z so you bash the Mustang.

Im going to get a few things straight about the Mustangs. Let us all start with the Grand, stock V6 Mustang. Now, do we all agree that the V6 version was never meant for high performance, I hope you all understand that. It was made for Mustang fans who wanted a cheap car but was slapped with a Stang logo on it. Secondly, the Mustang GT. Over the years they have added a tad bit more power, mostly when they changed models. Because in 1995, the GT did not come with 260 horses. But I like how they put 260 horses under the hood for people who still want a CHEAP, but fast car for 2003.

Now we get to the good part. The MACH 1 Mustang. Now I do not know if you people consider this one stock or modded, but I know this....it has 32 valves. And since it includes 32 valves.....it puts out 305 hp. Now tell me if that is not a good comparison to a Nissan 350 Z which puts out around 280 horsepower and does relatively the same 0-60. But the real good thing about this car is that it costs about the same if not cheaper than the Z. But according to Longlive, a stock Mustang with mods will make a comparison unfair with the Z. I dont think this one does.

Originally Posted by longlivetheZ

How would you like me to prove it? I've given numerous bits of evidence to prove my point as well as I can...what else can I do? I can't time travel.

Yea the same idea also works with the Stang of 2005. How can I prove it? I have given tons of evidence to prove my points and of course, I know i cant time travel. What a crock of shit...........I know the 2005 Mustang will actually exist and its clear it will include a better engine. For Gods sake its the 40th anniversary of Mustang. But in your case, Japanese cars are easily pushed off the market and no one knows if the 350Z will make it in a few years(bye bye TT). Plus the popularity of the Z can be compared to nothing in America. I have only see one of them around, dont get me wrong I see tons of other Nissans, but not the Z. I hope I never see the convertible 350Z...............gives America a bad look, keep it in Japan.

Made my sentences as short as possible to get to the point. THe point is people dont give a shit about the 350Z car. They dont care if they put a supercharger on it or took it out to the tracks. All they want to do with it is show it off on the road and have a nice ride(excusing the convertible version of course). Those cars were not meant for racing except its predecessor. Now that thing had potential. Don't you Z people get it? It does not matter how much speed it can produce or how much "potential" it has. I would rather buy a Porsche, which Z is the copycat of(except for power) and mod that. They look practically the same but the Porsche is the one with the potential and the bang for the buck. The 350Z will not last long because of its price, its unpopularity, and due to its V6 engine. Amazing engine but Nissan should have considered a V8 in that thing, but again, they didn't have an "all powerful car" on their mind unlike the Mustang. Mustangs on the other hand will always be a down right sports car that people will mod and race out on the tracks with. Screw the Z, it just costs way to much to mod on top of the fact you pay to much for "luxury" in the first place. WIth all these factors in mind, it will be killed off in the future unlike the Mustang which keeps on going. You will not win against the Mustang in America, no matter what you think of it, it is just way too popular and expanded. One of the reasons the Camaro and Firebird were killed off.

[nacho_nissan]

I was at the Houston Nissan Enthusiast meet today,only bout 5 350Z's showed up,and 3 G35's...A few mustangs were passing by and just looking at the 350Z's,they couldnt say anything with their pop-corn in a microwave sounding asses. We wanted for a mustang to say something stupid,but they were smart and just walked away...This gurl had a 350Z convertible. Gurls actually look nice in them...

[Kurtdg19]

Originally Posted by longlivetheZ

Kurtdg19, you have proven yourself to be one of the coolset, most down to earth people I've talked to in these forums and I appreciate it.

Thx, if only more people tried to help others out with their knowledge instead of trying to make fools of one another, we would all learn so much more. I myself do somtimes get frustrated, but i always try to keep the 'bashing' to a minimum, theres really no point in it.

Originally Posted by longlivetheZ

This has gotten twisted around too much. We're not even talking about what the post started out as in the Nissan forums. Cobra stock or not or what ever....that'll go on forever....it's not a stock car....it's sold at the dealer and that's where the similarities to the other mustangs end.

This is usually how they end up being, as frustrating it is to admit it. hehe.

Originally Posted by longlivetheZ

This whole "stock or not" thing is not the point...the only reason this was brought up at all is because it pisses me off how you damn cobra guys (I know I'm generalizing a bit, but meh) think you're the baddest things ever. It's faster then the Z...but you're comparing it to a supercharged V8. Excuse: To explain (a fault or an offense) in the hope of being forgiven or understood. I'm not looking for pity or mercy or forgiveness...it'd be nice if you understood what I'm saying. Could you guys take a LITTLE more of an advantage over the stock Z? The Z could probably beat any mustang already. I haven't seen any performance stats for the s/c'ed Zs yet...

Maybe. I know it was matched with a Mach 1 and others, and it did pretty well against the competition. I can't remember exactly who came out on top, but indeed, it was a good comparision. Theres no shame in having a Z, as there isn't any shame in owning a Cobra either. When I see either car roll by, theres' usually someone behind the wheel who is satisfied as it being their daily driver (or not daily). Who could blame them?

Originally Posted by longlivetheZ

My point is the cobra, and mustangs in general, are poorly designed cars that make poor use of what power they do make and they will never compare to the Z of past or present unless highly modified (or "stock" with a supercharger and intercooler and different heads and different gearing and on and on and on and on....whatever...) and making it completely unfair.

If its unfair than its out of its league usually. I don't understand why this comparision decided to go with the 350Z vs. the Cobra anywho.

When an engine is FIed (force induced) they need to run on a lower compression than what a none FIed engine can run on. You know what happens if your compression is to great when your running a FI (lots of potential problems). An engine will always have less hp with a lower compression. The 350Zs compression will be a lot higher since it doesn't require a FI system. So basically, to add a turbo with a high amount of boost on the 350Z, it will require a compression lower than its standard 10.3:1. Which once again, this is where the Cobra exceeds in having more 'potential' stock (through these particular means).

This may all change though if Saab produces their variable compression ratio engines. I'm not sure if they are already in production (by some company), but it could be one of the best things for FI.

[Moppie]

Sorry but this thread passed the point of being a rational and educated comparison several pages ago.