worth spending more money on "better" brand name parts

[whtteg]

Don't get me wrong guys I am not tring to flame anybody or anything I just want to make sure people don't think thier stock air intake is a CAI when it is not. Actually the stock air intake system is very restrictive, especially the resonator, and this is the reason I think intakes make such a big difference in tests. I think if you got a K&N drop in filter and removed the resonator that you would have almost the same hp gain as any aftermarket intkae system, and it would look oem too.

[BullShifter]

Originally Posted by whtteg

Don't get me wrong guys I am not tring to flame anybody or anything I just want to make sure people don't think thier stock air intake is a CAI when it is not. Actually the stock air intake system is very restrictive, especially the resonator, and this is the reason I think intakes make such a big difference in tests. I think if you got a K&N drop in filter and removed the resonator that you would have almost the same hp gain as any aftermarket intkae system, and it would look oem too.

Stock air intake a CAI

I agree with removing the resonator & droppin' a K&N in.

[tran_nsx]

Originally Posted by whtteg

Ok here man I took some pics in the 1st pic you will see the stock resonator assembly notice the red arrow this is where the air enters the resonator, then notice the red box this is where the stock air box is located, then notice the relationship of the small white tube and the filter box, they are the same height. Notice that the small white tube is pointed in toward the engine compartment. Notice the 2nd pic it shows the abs unit, go back to the dealership and look again where the red arrow is pointing this is where you will find the end of the white tube for the resonator. I would have put the filter box on to show better but could not find it. No offense tran_nsx but you will find that I am right about this.
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hey sorry for not responding sooner, had to work on an essay. but yes thanks for the visual. im curious, is the resonator in view like the drawing shown? from the teg i looked at, all i can see is the black tube from the intake manifold to the air filter box, then from there everything goes straight down toward the fender. also i couldn't find any white tube that u said was in the engine bay? this is really strange. then it hits me there might have 2 different setups since the teg that the techs and i observed, which i forgot to mention earlier was a gsr and you have an ls. tomorrow i'll head back toward the dealer and compare the pics, too bad u didn't get a bigger pic of the area around the air flter. all the dealership had were gsr's and i wasn't thinking there would be a diference in set up between models. hell tomorrow im going to ask them if i can dig in to get a closer look just to confirm what they are saying.

according to the drawing u have though, then no your model wouldn't be considered to be a cai. however i stand firm on the cold induction of the 2gen integra ls and 2 gen crx si. with the gsr i should find out tomorrow.

[KrNxRaCer00]

haha...all this over intake...

ppl already know my opinion that an intake is an intake, but do wut u'd like...

btw guys, u don't really "create" any more power from i/h/e, more like free up the power from the stock motor that is being restricted by the OEM parts...

well...thas my addition to this pointless thread...

[whtteg]

The white pipe does not stick out really it is just flush in a hole behaind the abs unit, you have to look hard to see it but the resonator assembly is the same for all DC2's excpet the type R I think it does not have the same setup b/c I rode in a stock ITR and the intake was louder than any other stock teg I have been in before, but don't know for sure about that. Actually if you startthe car up and rev the motor and put your fingers down in behind the abs unit into the hole you will probably feel the draft.

[tran_nsx]

i was too tired to head out there today maybe in a couple of days .

Originally Posted by KrNxRaCer00

haha...all this over intake...

ppl already know my opinion that an intake is an intake, but do wut u'd like...

btw guys, u don't really "create" any more power from i/h/e, more like free up the power from the stock motor that is being restricted by the OEM parts...

well...thas my addition to this pointless thread...

i admit this is a lot for just an intake. this topic would have better be suited in the "let's get technical section," but since intakes came up and its referring to the integra's i don't see why not? im doing this research for 2 reasons, to find out the truth between an oem's intake and the "cai" since this heated debate has come up several previous times. my other reason, to gather data from the research and implement this info on a new design of performance intakes. ponder this, a cai and a rai culminating into one. if this idea works to free up more hp than any other design to date, then imagine the wealth. besides that, i would actually make a product that freaken works, unlike majority of those rai being in the engine bay.

did i use the word, "create" any where? if i did, that was a definately a mistake, please refer to my 2nd prior post.

oh by all means if this is thread is pointless, no one is sticking a gun to your head to read it. u do have the option of ignoring it just like what i do with your your thread called, "2000 post later..." (which to me sound pointless) so please respect my opinons and i'll respect yours

[whtteg]

tran I think he was just joking around man, I don't think it was anything personal towards anybody. There is no use in you guys fighting about thread topics, it will get nobody anywhere.
But as far as the intake thing I promise you it is like the pic I posted, I took mine out and I took my buddies out in his 94 GSR it wsa exactly like mine, he did not even know it was there LOL

[tran_nsx]

hey thanks whtteg, i hope he was just joking around also, thats why i try not to take it to personal. but when he call my topic pointless, it kinda got under my skin. sometimes though, i feel like there is a conspiracy against me that some of the veteran af members are just waiting for me to slip up, or it could all just be in my head and im getting a little on the paranoid side. well what ever the case, i join not to recently ago, my automotive knowledge is quite decent although not up to par with the techs and mechanics that deal with this every single day. on a positive note, i got time, and to certain aspects, i know more then some of them when involving with aftermarket and modifications.

[90_IntegraLS]

Originally Posted by 01IntegraGSR

ok i got an 01 GSR... would it really do much or worth spending say, a couple hundred more on "higher quailty" parts like a venom fuel rail to a AEM one. plus.... will someone refresh my thoughts on the 4-2-1 heads to 4-1?? my mind went blank on which one is for more torque and HP higher in RPM's thanks

As for the itake I think it if fair to say that you may be able to get a CHEAP one off of ebay and you may be happy, but you won't be spending that much more to get a quality cai from AEM. It will have proper mounting so you don't have to worry about that. I think from the big ordeal that you can see that some people think that the cheap ones off of ebay are fine and then there are some that think they will be crap (me included), but I don't think anyone on this post is going to tell you (seriously at least) that if you get an AEM you will be getting crap (they are the best intakes on the market currently). Also if you can afford it they make the V2 intake which actually gets rid of some of the hot air so that your engine is just getting the colder air.

The fuel rail...don't really need one unless you are wanting just the dressup asset of it as it won't do anything performance wise and you won't be make the hp #'s (most likely) to require and aftermarket one.

The header...go with the 4-1 less possibilty of leaks if for no other reason. They are a little harder to get in if you don't want the finish messed up (remove the radiator and fan and they got it in without a problem).


Jared

[94tegRS]

Originally Posted by 90_IntegraLS

Also if you can afford it they make the V2 intake which actually gets rid of some of the hot air so that your engine is just getting the colder air.

what do you mean it gets rid of the hot air, it is the same thing, a tube that attatches to the TB at one end and a filter at the other, just like SRI or CAI, the difference is the 2 different size pipes for the 2 different wave charges or however they advertise it, standard CAI doesnt let in hot air either that why it is called cold air intake.

[tran_nsx]

Originally Posted by 94tegRS

what do you mean it gets rid of the hot air, it is the same thing, a tube that attatches to the TB at one end and a filter at the other, just like SRI or CAI, the difference is the 2 different size pipes for the 2 different wave charges or however they advertise it, standard CAI doesnt let in hot air either that why it is called cold air intake.

can't really speak for him, but i believe he's refering to the v2 system with short air runner configuration which aem provides a heat shield to reduce hot air from the engine.

[90gs]

i agree with whtteg as far as the cheap ebay intake. get the tube and put a k&n filter on it, thats what i did. i definitely wouldnt go cheap with the header, the cheap ones have really small piping and defeats the purpose of getting a larger header for increased flow.

[Crackerballer]

Imma add my $.02 to the pointless thread

I believe the main concerns of an intake are:
1), How good does the filter do its job
2) where does it draw cold air from?

The piping, whether its hot or not, shouldn't matter, the airs is in their for such an insignificant amount of time, it cannot heat it that much.

I believe the people buy AEM for its quality (i.e. specific mounting points, good hardware) and the design (relocates filter to cooler air, and has a good filter, with little risk of falling off)

The reason people will pay the 180 or 200 for it is because of the time put into it, and the fact that people want to be worry free. With that home-made ebay stuff, you can damage alot. Why not spend the money knowing that a company has tested and tested a product to make sure it helps not harms your car?

Im off the soapbox now..

[BullShifter]

The only reason I can think of for buying an expensive intake is for the CARB sticker

[Spectre927]

people like to be able to say, I have this or I bought that. I guess they try and let there parts do the talking. But if its cheap and gets the job done, theres nothing wrong with it.