what should my car be running in the 1/4

[elitefreke]

wow, i must have a secret admirer! Thats so sweet!

[KrNxRaCer00]

ok ok, enough with the flame war.

but ur signature doesn't make too much sense.

yes, SOHC VTEC doesn't exactly "pull," but a DOHC VTEC motor definately makes a difference. no, it cannot compare to turbo or supercharging, but think about it.

honda came up with a way to take a small motor with a short stroke, be able to produce power up top, while STILL being able to get 25-30 mpg if u don't rev up into VTEC. when the more agressive profile is engaged, then there is definately a difference in power.

no, this cannot replace the sheer size of a 350, or even the more mild 327, but it is a great technology to help make up for the loss in displacement.

btw, flaming everyone in sight isn't going to get u very far on the boards, jus a warning so u kno.

[elitefreke]

ok chief, first off, it is not the VTEC that makes a DOHC VTEC "pull". See, when you work on cars since you are a little boy, you pick up certain things. In the automotive world, there is horsepower, and there is torque. Horsepower, which is something most people love to brag about, is great for top end power. Torque, on the other hand, is the magical thing that takes your car from standing still, to putting you in the back seat. Here is where I run into the problem, most VTEC cars (ie Civic SI with a wopping 111lb/ft or the CTR which has 118lb/ft torque) don't offer too much to the acceleration side of the house. They do posses higher hp outputs, as well as the ability to rev out at unthinkable rpms, but again, this is nothing if you have to wait until 5500 to get that to work! So why then, ricer gang, do pro drag racers chose not to use VTEC on their cars? The answer, cuz it sucks for racing!

BTW the onlything flaming, is you!

[knorwj]

i'm really sick of this guy and i'm wondering how to report him to a moderator or something?

[integra818]

Originally Posted by elitefreke

ok chief, first off, it is not the VTEC that makes a DOHC VTEC "pull". See, when you work on cars since you are a little boy, you pick up certain things. In the automotive world, there is horsepower, and there is torque. Horsepower, which is something most people love to brag about, is great for top end power. Torque, on the other hand, is the magical thing that takes your car from standing still, to putting you in the back seat. Here is where I run into the problem, most VTEC cars (ie Civic SI with a wopping 111lb/ft or the CTR which has 118lb/ft torque) don't offer too much to the acceleration side of the house. They do posses higher hp outputs, as well as the ability to rev out at unthinkable rpms, but again, this is nothing if you have to wait until 5500 to get that to work! So why then, ricer gang, do pro drag racers chose not to use VTEC on their cars? The answer, cuz it sucks for racing!

BTW the onlything flaming, is you!

Vtec turns on at about 5 grand right? When the drag racers launch at about 8 grand, the small cam lobes are'nt used and they make the cam heavier, so they getcams calls "vtec killer cams" which eliminate the samll cam lobes. They don't have "vtec" but thier cam lobes are bigger than the lobes on a vtec cam.
If the car ran on those larger vtec lobes all the time, low end power would suffer and it would be difficult for street driving, so Honda made vtec so you can have small cams when you're below 5 grand, and BIG cams when you're above 5 grand in which case you're most likley racing.

Understand???

edit: I saw your car on your team's web site. Cool car, but if a GSR had the same mods, it would smoke you.

[elitefreke]

ok, i will be positive. i wish everyone well with their build-ups. I am not just bullshitting. I mean it. Good luck to all of you, and I respect people who actually see the need to get rid of stock, power restricting parts, and make their vehicle better, and more powerful than anyone could imagnine.

i will do my best to not be negative.

i still don't like vtec tho.

[99integraboy]

Originally Posted by knorwj

i agree there are so many variables the only true way to see what YOUR car can do is run it. even with exact same models the same person can run different times especially when a car isn't brand new.

and it sounds like the only reall power adder you got is the intake. the muffler thing really won't do much cuz you still have stock restrictive header and cat, all you did by removing the muffler is make your car loud and obnoxious. with everything you have listed you are looking at maybe if you are very lucky like 5 hp. something like intake will give the best performance when you also do exhaust and fuel upgrades as well. that why people always refer to i/h/e cuz it works best together. even though you get more air to your engine you still need to get it out (hence h/e), and you need more fuel to keep your air fuel ratio good, anyway i'd say you are prolbly still lookin at very close to stock times low 16 high 15? correct me if i'm wrong.

AGREED....MANY MANY Variables

[KrNxRaCer00]

Originally Posted by elitefreke

ok, i will be positive. i wish everyone well with their build-ups. I am not just bullshitting. I mean it. Good luck to all of you, and I respect people who actually see the need to get rid of stock, power restricting parts, and make their vehicle better, and more powerful than anyone could imagnine.

i will do my best to not be negative.

i still don't like vtec tho.

u don't have to like vtec, but understand that it has uses for daily driven LIGHTLY modified cars...

i said above that vtec doesn't replace turbo, or larger motors, but when the more aggressive cam profile is engaged, the motor is capable of producing more horsepower/torque than one that doesn't take advantage of the more agressive cam.

once again, vtec isn't the answer to everything, nor is it the greatest thing for racing, but for lower budget ppl, a vtec motor can be a cheaper replacement than turbo onto a non-vtec motor (considering less tuning, etc...)

yes, the b16 series motors produce no torque, but they are also a 1.6 liter motor. from the b18 series, the VTEC motors are the ones which produce the most power STOCK. i know the torque is at high rpm, but when u launch at a track, u launch high at 4500 or above anyways, taking away from the b18b or any other non-vtec motors lower-torque advantage.

btw, im not flaming anyone, i simply had an opposite view about VTEC and its uses than u. don't take it personally, simply what my thoughts are.