Integra GSR/LS, 240sx, Del Sol VTEC?

[stealthj]

4 cyl jap cars.....rice

4cyl s2000 makin out 240HP at 8300 RPMs? ill take one over the best camero or any other domestic shit

take a corner in a domestic? NO

corner in a jappy? YES

compare 240's to civic/integ? NO

IMPALA= the best domestic (black with black tint)=i love it

stangs=fast=no turns
integs=fast with turns not faster than stangs dont need to be faster than stangs

soem stangs=turns and fast

any car +$$$ = looks, turns, and fasts

i like any car with $$

i like my 240 with skyline GTS engine +mods= 2.5 litre turbo =450 (minor mods?)

i like my stock 240 beats "v6" mustang?=yes

10 million litre v-8 beat by a small rice?=it happens

americans put big displacement and lack power?=BRAINLESS

porche 3.6 "bi"-turbo makin big power?=SMART ENGINEERING

ford=shit

flame me

[intox]

Well, I went out and did some research, I'm not that lazy. Anyway, this post was for me to find out but if anyone else was curious...

RS: Power Windows and Doors, AC (Main Options)
LS: Add ABS and a Moon Roof (Main Options)
GS: Add Leather, Spoiler, Leather covered shit (Main Options)
GSR: 170hp VTEC (only in 5 spd)

So basically, every integra is a good drive. I mean if you got Power options and AC on the base model the other shit isn't that important. The engine is still the LS non-vtec on that RS. I'm pretty set on bying a used integra with low miles. Hopefully GSR though.

[genjy]

Originally Posted by config

Also to back up what knorjs said, if you go and read consumer repots on the magazine stands - the used car issue for this year [jus came out], under there 5 star good reliable cars and best overall value, almost every single one is an import. Under there 0 star pieces of shit that arnt reliable at all catagory, every single fuckin one was a ford/chevy/dodge. Its just funny.

Don't go by what Consumer Reports says at all, at least about cars. Domestics can't be THAT unreliable, or you wouldn't see any Ford, Chevy, or Dodge cars running on the road. There is a huge bias against domestic cars in Consumer Reports, and it doesn't take a genius to see it.

FYI, I had a super-reliable 95 Ford Taurus with 167k miles before some guy crashed into it. It was running strong and could have gone over 200K miles. The only major repairs were replacing the water-pump, the belt, and the radiator. My dad has a 95 Aerostar with 110K miles. It is a workhorse van that carries hundreds of pounds of stuff around everyday. Not a single major problem and runs tip-top. Good cars, both never failed on my family once. My next car is going to be another Ford.

[TatII]

what would make you think that just becasue you turbo charged your car, that automatically makes it less of a daily driver? i drive my car atleast 90 miles a day to and from work, and i still can get 300+ miles per tank of gas. plus i only invested 3K for my turbo kit. and i've beaten modded S14 SR20DET's. i honestly think that keepin a 4 cylinder n/a is dumb. if you want to go really fast with it, you need to spend alot more to get a n/a 4 cylinder to be remotely as quick as a turbo 4. plus it puts soo much more stress on the internals. in order to make up for the lack of torque, you need to rev the shit out of the motor. that is how honda can make such a high output low displacement motor. the formula for hp is HP= (tq x RPM)/5252. so by adding more revs with the same low torque will get you more hp. however there is a downside. now lets say your always reving your motor high up there. your piston is being thrown up 9000 times a minute. then you have your connecting rod keeping it from flying straight up and out your motor. for a prolong period of time, your goin to spin a rod bearing, or have your piston shoot out and window your block. in other words. a properly built turbo motor is actually more durable then a built n/a motor.

[intox]

Originally Posted by TatII

what would make you think that just becasue you turbo charged your car, that automatically makes it less of a daily driver? i drive my car atleast 90 miles a day to and from work, and i still can get 300+ miles per tank of gas. plus i only invested 3K for my turbo kit. and i've beaten modded S14 SR20DET's. i honestly think that keepin a 4 cylinder n/a is dumb. if you want to go really fast with it, you need to spend alot more to get a n/a 4 cylinder to be remotely as quick as a turbo 4. plus it puts soo much more stress on the internals. in order to make up for the lack of torque, you need to rev the shit out of the motor. that is how honda can make such a high output low displacement motor. the formula for hp is HP= (tq x RPM)/5252. so by adding more revs with the same low torque will get you more hp. however there is a downside. now lets say your always reving your motor high up there. your piston is being thrown up 9000 times a minute. then you have your connecting rod keeping it from flying straight up and out your motor. for a prolong period of time, your goin to spin a rod bearing, or have your piston shoot out and window your block. in other words. a properly built turbo motor is actually more durable then a built n/a motor.

I think you need to do your research... Plus I'm not reving to 9000rpms. I might hit like 7500 but I would in a turbo too. You use what you ahve, you think I would rev a turbo engine only to like 4000rpm, the turbo wouldn't even kick in. Learn out a turbo works man. That PSI is not just a number, your putting that much pressure to stuff more gas and air into your chambers. Which stresses your engine and could eventually throw a piston through your hood. A LOT MORE COMMON IN TURBOS then in N/A. I know you know your shit, but don't be biased because you drive a turbo. No way you can get the same gas mileage if your hitting turbo as well. TURBO PUTS MORE FUEL INTO THE CHAMBER!!! how is that more economical with fuel. Try learning the science behind this shit and not only the number of HP you gain. Oh, and no offense, I would love to have a turbo 240sx, but turbos just need to much work to keep running smoothly. Oh and even if you beat some sr20det s14's the ka24 motor in the 240 is a piece of shit. Give you props for making a fast ride out of it though.

[TatII]

well cylinder pressure is not much of a factory if your goin to run low boost. the main enemy for any motor is running too lean and having detonation. its actually safer for the motor if your running a tad bit too rich. which is how a turbo is tuned if tuned right. also its good to not advance the shit out of hte timing. a turbo you need to retard timing under boost to prevent detonation. which is also better for the motor when retarding timing. so heres the basic run down. to tune a n/a to go faster, you need to advance more timing ( not that great for the motor ) and lean the car out ( hmmmm not that great for the motor either ) i know not all n/a motors you gotta rev the shit out of. but thats how honda motors are made. if you look at the formula thats how they get that high hp out of a F20c. look at how pathetic the tq number is on that car. it only makes 153 at like what? 7500? and it makes 240 hp at 8500. now lets say you want to put a chip in that car so you can rev it to 9500-10000 grand. now its gonna put soooooo much more stress on the valves and springs where you might get valve float and blow a hole in your piston. and plus you gotta deal with the rods giving up on you. bottom line. is my original point is this. is you want to put the same amount of money to increase hp on a turbo vs. a n/a. its safer to raise hp on a turbo motor then to raise hp on a n/a if your goin to go nutz. also its goin to cost alot less money to get more hp out of a turbo then a n/a.

[intox]

Do even read all the posts before posting yourself??? I started this post, and if you had read what I said I was looking for a car to run about 200hp and into the mid/high 14's, Not hard. No need for turbo or revving the shit out my motor, cause its gonna be an everyday driver that needs good mileage. Go have fun in your turbo 240sx, LOL i didn't see you say it got better gas mileage this time LOL. I've made my decision to get a GSR so go post somewhere else now.

[TatII]

point taken. i didn't realize that you were the original thread starter. if your just goin for a high 14 second car. then yeah i guess the GS-R is the way to go.

[intox]

Originally Posted by TatII

point taken. i didn't realize that you were the original thread starter. if your just goin for a high 14 second car. then yeah i guess the GS-R is the way to go.

nah, don't worry about it. I realized by your second post that you knew your shit. Acually, when I have time and money for a second car, its gonna be one of the silvias, love those cars. Sileighty all the way up to unattainable s15's. Yeah, propz on your car and Thx for your input.

[TatII]

no problem man.

[entity]

Originally Posted by billab2ong

Dont buy any of those cars. you should never have to invest $1000+many hours of labor for a car to just get 14's. Buy a Camaro Z28 and laugh as you dust a GSR/240/del sol/ or any other ricer. Biggest mistake of my life was buying my Integra LS. 1993-1996 Camaro Z28 varies from 275-295hp and has 325lb of torque. no ricer can compare. mustang GT is about the same but i dont like stangs as much as camaros. thats my 2 cents. why spend $7500 for a GSR then put $1000 in it to lose to a camaro? spend $7500 and get a badass 6 speed camaro z28. My only other suggestion would be spend $5k on a integra LS and put $3k turbo kit in and it will be a fun car.

Actually I think the 4.6L 'stangs debuted with 235hp, and then later upped to 265hp.

[entity]

Originally Posted by intox

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I wish you would realize that I DO have to drive a long distance and I DO need handling. My school is out in the Sticks and I need to drive out to the city often, plus because it is on a hill the road is extremely curvey. Oh and For the guy talking about domestics... You are acting like the only cars import tuners have are civics, integras, del sols, 240sx, celicas... Think again. The cars domestics have in this class are the focus, neon, saturn Ion, and cavalier (NOT 2001 TAURAS SE, think price diff and Gas Mileage Diff with a 94 LS!!!!!! if you were going to talk Tauras, why not the SHO SES with a fucking YAMAHA MOTOR, hear that??? A JAP MOTOR!). If you want to talk about 'stangs and Camaros, you need to bring in the 350z/300zx, s2000, 3000gt, and Supra. Of course they cost a lot more than a 'Stang or Camaro, but when they first debuted they didn't. They were aimed at the exact same price and crowd. Its just that they had a higher demand and went up in price as Domestic Muscle lost demand and went down in price. Going up on the import side is just a simple business move that any company would pull, as for lowering price on the domestic side only goes for used car sales. Of course American Cars are still great and I will take time out to say that I think the focus SVT, Neon srt-4, and other new comers are welcome and admirable competitors. They are great cars in much the fashion imports are... of course copying is the greatest compliment. Oh and if we were in kuwait or Saudi Arabia, I wouldn't think 4000CC engines were excess... but we live in America. No Blood for Oil.

Actually the 300zx, 3000gt, and supra's costed 40k+, while you could get a Camaro Z28 for around 25k and 'stang GT for prolly around 20.