Integra GSR/LS, 240sx, Del Sol VTEC?

[intox]

I'm looking into getting a car after driving a 97 accord and 2001 Xterra that has a lil power and that I can tune for fun. Just planning for all motor (no-turbo/supercharger) like i/h/e, cams, brakes, suspension etc. Oh and not getting a sr20det if I get a 240sx, even though its tempting. Basically looking for a daily driver that can hit the 14's for 1/4 mile. Just wondering what everyone's opinion is.

Acura Integra GSR
Acura Integra LS/GS
Nissan 240sx SE (se so I can have the limited slip Diff, its RWD )
Del Sol Vtec (keeping that 160hp b16ac, i think thats the engine)

Thx for your help guys!

[config]

GSR, then the 240SX.

Whats funny is that those were the two cars I was choosing between before I bought my car. They both kick ass. But i'd go with the GS-R Faster and more fun

[KrNxRaCer00]

GSR,

i like nissans, but a gsr takes only i/h/e an strip the interior (backseat, floor mats, spare tire, etc..) to hit 14's. doesn't get much easier to 14's than that, infact, IF u can drive, u can do it w/ jus i/e.

[intox]

ThX, was pretty set on the Integra cause it is easier to find and I know more about building up hondas than any other make.

BTW, does anyone have the differences between the GS and the LS Trim Levels?

[Rotaryman]

I know for 2nd gen integras the LS and GS have different interior options. The motor is the same, and the GS would weigh a little less than an LS. Special Editions have leather interiors, and in mine, a two tone color interior.

[billab2ong]

Dont buy any of those cars. you should never have to invest $1000+many hours of labor for a car to just get 14's. Buy a Camaro Z28 and laugh as you dust a GSR/240/del sol/ or any other ricer. Biggest mistake of my life was buying my Integra LS. 1993-1996 Camaro Z28 varies from 275-295hp and has 325lb of torque. no ricer can compare. mustang GT is about the same but i dont like stangs as much as camaros. thats my 2 cents. why spend $7500 for a GSR then put $1000 in it to lose to a camaro? spend $7500 and get a badass 6 speed camaro z28. My only other suggestion would be spend $5k on a integra LS and put $3k turbo kit in and it will be a fun car.

[KrNxRaCer00]

i understand wut ur saying, but if ur going to use that arguement, then here.

buy a 93 civic cx frame, drop an ls motor (b18b), build it a bit and turbo. ur in the 12's right there.

i DO agree american cars are better bases (much more power/torque usually), but don't knock ALL imports. jus because something is a 4 banger, doesn't mean that V8's own it.

o, an jus cuz ppl drive a teg, or civic doesn't mean they're rice.

there's a lot more to this then jus going quick in a straight line, MAYBE, he likes the looks of those three cars...for me, i love the raw power of the american cars, but i jus don't like the style of most of them. its all personal opinion, an i respect urs, but don't call all import drivers a ricer...thats an insult like us saying all maro' drivers are red-neck gritters...

[intox]

Yo, I feel you on American Cars. I have a friend with a 99 mustang Cobra that runs 13's Thats bad ass, cause he only put like 3k in mods. And it looks fucking nice in white with cream leather. I'm asian, I love Hondas, and I'm not a riser, I'm a car lover, I like modding in General. I had an Xterra and would have kept it to 4wheel, but it just didn't have good aftermarket, too expensive for those rare lifts. Anyway, the main reason I am looking for an Integra is that my college is on top of a fucking mountain, I need handling. Plus it takes an hour just to get to San Frisco or Oakland. Shit if I bought a z28 it would be bad ass, but I would be drifting that hill and stopping to put gas in befor I got to the bay. LOL, I need some gas mileage and tight handling man. But I'm a big fan of Displacement. I'm telling you all, the sweet medium is a nice German build Porsche... but lets be honest, we are too poor. Thx for the posts guys... still don't know what a GS, LS, and SE have.

[knorwj]

too some of us its alot more fun to buy a car that can't do something and build it to do it, know what i mean. my car is more like a hobby to me and i love the amount of affordable aftermarket products for it, plus we save on gas and our cars handle better, and they will drive more than 120,000 miles. my gs-r has 151000 and the engine still runs like new, only parts ever installed was a waterpump and a timing belt both of which i did myself so it cost a total of 100 bucks and i don't think there is any camaro or mustang or anything like it that can claim only 100 dollars in serious repairs after 151000 miles!!

[knorwj]

and by the way american muscle isn't all its cracked up to be, i was recently in a thread in here where a guy asked if his gs-r could beat a 80's vette and we all said he couldn't till i went to the chevy forum and asked what the vette would run and it was slower thatn a teg so if a vette is that slow then i'm sure an older camaro and such are slower yet. and i have raced 80's and early 90's stangs before they aren't that quick. you gotta remember a 5.0 weighs probly almost three time what my engine weighs and then the frame also has to be heavier to support it and blah. blah blah.

sorry about babbling but i used to be a domestic junky till i bought an import and then i saw the light....

[billab2ong]

Like to make a few comments...1st..by ricer i mean a 4 cylinder japanese car. nothing more nothing else. Sorry if it offended any asians.

Next: The comment on driving the civic CX w/ the suped up engine. yes you will be running a 12 second car. but you wont have any comfort and you will be running in a quick car but it wouldnt be comfortable at all. and most of the modifications you might have done b/c most people cannot do engine swaps and such. so yes, that is the cheapest way to make a quick 1/4 mile car. it still has its disadvantages.

As for the person who was talking about an 80's vette....80's muscle cars lacked power in a big way. the vette wasnt what it is now so thats not even a good comparison. If you picked a camaro IROC i would say fast car for same amount to buy an integra/civic and you wont get the same performance. I agree w/ your maintainace report. you would have to spend alot more on fixing the car up. especially the transmission on an american made car but you also have to remember how much time/effort/money you have put into the car to make it run more efficently. mainly im speaking of modifications and tuning. by tuning and modify you are helping the engines life. another comment i would like to make is how many 1969 japanese cars do you see around? there are alot more domestic ones, so its all about taking care of a car and luck of the draw on the manufacturing.

About the camaro and gas. 17-19mpg on a V8 and if you hit vtec alot on a GSR you are getting 21-24mpg. there is a difference but i mean i dont think its that bad unless you drive a lot of miles. and you have the traction control on the 95s which helps a bunch. will it hold the road like a lil japanese car? no way. but will it be able to bust ass on a straight away. hell yes. its all what you are looking for i guess but i would seriously look before you invest in a japanese car because i have nothing but bad and good things to say about it. but the good def. get crushed by the bad. and the main bad thing i have to say is no power. 2001 SE taurus (200hp)=faster than 94 integra LS w/ no mods.

Lastly: LS, RS, GS are all the same thing. RS=no ac(?)/no power windows and such. LS=power windows and AC and a moonroof and such. it was the better package. GS=leather and stuff. its just the nicest package w/o going vtec. vtec=gsr (170HP)

[intox]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I wish you would realize that I DO have to drive a long distance and I DO need handling. My school is out in the Sticks and I need to drive out to the city often, plus because it is on a hill the road is extremely curvey. Oh and For the guy talking about domestics... You are acting like the only cars import tuners have are civics, integras, del sols, 240sx, celicas... Think again. The cars domestics have in this class are the focus, neon, saturn Ion, and cavalier (NOT 2001 TAURAS SE, think price diff and Gas Mileage Diff with a 94 LS!!!!!! if you were going to talk Tauras, why not the SHO SES with a fucking YAMAHA MOTOR, hear that??? A JAP MOTOR!). If you want to talk about 'stangs and Camaros, you need to bring in the 350z/300zx, s2000, 3000gt, and Supra. Of course they cost a lot more than a 'Stang or Camaro, but when they first debuted they didn't. They were aimed at the exact same price and crowd. Its just that they had a higher demand and went up in price as Domestic Muscle lost demand and went down in price. Going up on the import side is just a simple business move that any company would pull, as for lowering price on the domestic side only goes for used car sales. Of course American Cars are still great and I will take time out to say that I think the focus SVT, Neon srt-4, and other new comers are welcome and admirable competitors. They are great cars in much the fashion imports are... of course copying is the greatest compliment. Oh and if we were in kuwait or Saudi Arabia, I wouldn't think 4000CC engines were excess... but we live in America. No Blood for Oil.

[knorwj]

bill2bong... you said "I agree w/ your maintainace report. you would have to spend alot more on fixing the car up. especially the transmission on an american made car but you also have to remember how much time/effort/money you have put into the car to make it run more efficently. mainly im speaking of modifications and tuning. by tuning and modify you are helping the engines life." well i haven't put any time or money or effort into making my car more efficient. my car is 100% stock right now, and it always has been. so all that tuning and modification that you said increased my engine life wasn't there. the only thing that increased my engine life is good old non american engineering.


you also said" another comment i would like to make is how many 1969 japanese cars do you see around? there are alot more domestic ones, so its all about taking care of a car and luck of the draw on the manufacturing." well thats's because they were not imported as much back then. DUH. you did't start seeing a large import of foreign cars until mid to late seventies, and even then they were few and far between. a much better comparison would be the 80's. how many civics and accords do you see in comparison to escorts and tauruses? alot more of the jap cars around.... because the run longer, are more reliable, and are just generally better engineered.

[config]

Yeah my dads camaro SS is tight on the straitaway, but i feel like im driving a fuckin boat or somthing when taking turns.

Anyway, its all your passion. I didnt buy my car to go fast, i considered all aspects, and what i like. Not to mention the looks. My dads 02 SS = ugly lookin

Also to back up what knorjs said, if you go and read consumer repots on the magazine stands - the used car issue for this year [jus came out], under there 5 star good reliable cars and best overall value, almost every single one is an import. Under there 0 star pieces of shit that arnt reliable at all catagory, every single fuckin one was a ford/chevy/dodge. Its just funny.

[94tegRS]

Originally Posted by billab2ong

Lastly: LS, RS, GS are all the same thing. RS=no ac(?)/no power windows and such. LS=power windows and AC and a moonroof and such. it was the better package. GS=leather and stuff. its just the nicest package w/o going vtec. vtec=gsr (170HP)

I had a RS and it had power windows, just not power locks, they could have been added by the previous owner, but If i was going to the trouble id install the lock motors as well.