c5 z06 vs skyline r34 gtr

[OoNismoO]

which is faster on the race track? i think the z06 would beat the r34 on most tracks with its obvious horsepower to weight advantage, and assuming they re about the same through the corners. does anyone have the time for any racetracks for both of them?

[911S_TARGA_RSR]

I would definatly say the 'vette. but I like both cars ok maybe I like vettes a lil bit more. You've got love that some come with the engine in the back.

[swedish]

well, i don't have any times, but i think it depends on what the track demands of the car. Anywhere that requires substantial braking would favor the 'vette, but the skyline's awd and elaborate comp. controlled handling would probably give it the edge in high speed turns.

[disco192]

i would say its up to the driver for that one, they are very closely matched.... i would bet z06

[ZZII]

I say the skyline. The C5 is a pretty damn good RWD car, but the Skyline's AWD gives it the big advantage. Not only will it turn faster, but when it comes out of the turn it will be able to start acceling at a highier speed. It's at the long straights will it have trouble with the 'Vette.

[Kurtdg19]

I am going for the Z06. I wish this thread has a poll, it would be interesting to see what people thought about it.
I don't however think that since a skyline has awd it can turn faster than a Z06. Grip, weight, tires, suspension, air flow, etc. contribute to whether the car is going to handle better in situations. AWD doesn't mean its going to turn better, it only means its going to provide stable traction to the front and back, and since awd adds weight to your car, its basically equaling itself back out. A heavier car isn't going to want to turn as easy as a lighter car. The majority of a skyline's weight is in the front, in turn, puts more resistence to negotiating turns. But that is where the awd aspect of this car kicks in. When a skyline is making a corner, the ET-S system will activily split a greater percentage of the torque to the front wheels, allowing more grip to negoiate the heavier front end to turn, when the turn is over, it splits back and allows the car to accelerate more effectivly. Bottom line is, if the skyline didn't have awd and ET-S, its heavy front end would be dragging it everywhere.
A Z06's weight is more balanced than the skyline not to mention lighter. That already gives it an advantage when cornering. A Z06 has good exiting speed when leaving a corner, I don't see how a skyline's exiting speeds could be significantly better than a Z06. A Z06 has better braking, so when its entering a turn it can enter it with more velocity over the skyline. I'm sure no one will question what will happen on the straights. The Z06 also has some goodies when its comes to technology. The electronically controled suspension on a Z06 keeps it stable in corners. When the Z06 takes a corner, the suspension on the side that is reciving more tension stiffen to keep the car from leaning and loosing grip, which helps the Z06 to achieve a more effective corner. This in turn should help keep the skyline from gaining any ground on the Z06.
My vote goes to the Z06.

[Kurtdg19]

Originally Posted by Kurtdg19

I am going for the Z06. I wish this thread has a poll, it would be interesting to see what people thought about it.
I don't however think that since a skyline has awd it can turn faster than a Z06. Grip, weight, tires, suspension, air flow, etc. contribute to whether the car is going to handle better in situations. AWD doesn't mean its going to turn better, it only means its going to provide stable traction to the front and back, and since awd adds weight to your car, its basically equaling itself back out. A heavier car isn't going to want to turn as easy as a lighter car. The majority of a skyline's weight is in the front, in turn, puts more resistence to negotiating turns. But that is where the awd aspect of this car kicks in. When a skyline is making a corner, the ET-S system will activily split a greater percentage of the torque to the front wheels, allowing more grip to negoiate the heavier front end to turn, when the turn is over, it splits back and allows the car to accelerate more effectivly. Bottom line is, if the skyline didn't have awd and ET-S, its heavy front end would be dragging it everywhere.
A Z06's weight is more balanced than the skyline not to mention lighter. That already gives it an advantage when cornering. A Z06 has good exiting speed when leaving a corner, I don't see how a skyline's exiting speeds could be significantly better than a Z06. A Z06 has better braking, so when its entering a turn it can enter it with more velocity over the skyline. I'm sure no one will question what will happen on the straights. The Z06 also has some goodies when its comes to technology. The electronically controled suspension on a Z06 keeps it stable in corners. When the Z06 takes a corner, the suspension on the side that is reciving more tension stiffen to keep the car from leaning and loosing grip, which helps the Z06 to achieve a more effective corner. This in turn should help keep the skyline from gaining any ground on the Z06.
My vote goes to the Z06.

Let me reply to my own quote. Kinda sounds strange, but I want to. What I am refering to here is mainly on a dry pavement. In any weather condition besides this, an awd car would have the advantage. (duh). Most racing events are taken place in dry pavement, and it is usually what people refer to when comparing cars. Overall, a skyline would serve more purposes in a location that recieves multiple conditons of weather. But that again is refering strictly to different terms.

[SR20DETpower]

autocross or other smallish tight tracks GTR, ovals or high speed sweeper course, Z06.

the c5's goodies as you say for its suspension dampening isn't that great. Its cool for the old guys who cruise in it and test the car out to about 70% of its limit. chevorlet has a Z76 package I believe, where it takes that out and adds in regular springs/shocks for better track performance etc...


GTR's Attesa system is probably the best AWD system in the world for performance, that gives it a lot over a standard RWD car believe it or not.

[Mr Payne]

Acceleration: Z06
Braking: Z06
Handling: Z06, very high grip, somewhat tossable, very balanced, and fairly easy to drive fast.

I can't think of any situation on a dry track where AWD would help other than hitting the apex and being able to lay into the throttle completely. Other than that, it simply adds weight.

[SR20DETpower]

GTR handles as good or better then a z06.and laying onto the throtlle all the way in a turn will give u a signifigant advantage vs the guy in his high torque rwd fighting for traction and back peddaling on the throttle. When you see in car videos or such of a GTR racing other cars on the track and you just see the GTR pull away hard on the apex-exit vs other cars like the rx7 or Supra.

and if were talking modified, call me stupid if you want to, but I think the GTR has vast more potential in every category. Face it people who race more then likely don't race stock cars.

[Mr Payne]

Originally Posted by SR20DETpower

GTR handles as good or better then a z06.and laying onto the throtlle all the way in a turn will give u a signifigant advantage vs the guy in his high torque rwd fighting for traction and back peddaling on the throttle. When you see in car videos or such of a GTR racing other cars on the track and you just see the GTR pull away hard on the apex-exit vs other cars like the rx7 or Supra.

and if were talking modified, call me stupid if you want to, but I think the GTR has vast more potential in every category. Face it people who race more then likely don't race stock cars.

How does the GTR handle as good or better than a Z06? I've seen no evidence from any source that leads to that conclusion.

[Kurtdg19]

Originally Posted by SR20DETpower

autocross or other smallish tight tracks GTR, ovals or high speed sweeper course, Z06.

the c5's goodies as you say for its suspension dampening isn't that great. Its cool for the old guys who cruise in it and test the car out to about 70% of its limit. chevorlet has a Z76 package I believe, where it takes that out and adds in regular springs/shocks for better track performance etc...

To say a C5's goodies aren't that great is contradictory considering that the Z06 is still pulling off 1g's. Thats better than any skyline with alttesa.

You must mean the Z51 performance suspension package instead of a Z76, but then again you weren't exactly for sure, although you were still on the same track.

And I also get the impression that you think the Z06 is a straight line car, considering that it you think it can only beat a skyline on a oval/higher speed sweeper course....hardly

But then again thats what I think.

[FYRHWK1]

Originally Posted by SR20DETpower

GTR handles as good or better then a z06.and laying onto the throtlle all the way in a turn will give u a signifigant advantage vs the guy in his high torque rwd fighting for traction and back peddaling on the throttle. When you see in car videos or such of a GTR racing other cars on the track and you just see the GTR pull away hard on the apex-exit vs other cars like the rx7 or Supra.

and if were talking modified, call me stupid if you want to, but I think the GTR has vast more potential in every category. Face it people who race more then likely don't race stock cars.

all laying into the throttle with an AWD car through the turn will get you is a face full of wall and some nice, big doctor bills. They beauty of RWD is that it lets the front wheels handle only turning, which makes sense since they see more lateral load then the rears. If you start to add power to them you'll be taking available grip from the maximum amount of lateral traction.

Meaning that if you're turning at 100% of the front tires grip, adding power to that will cause you to break traction, and no, traction control can not help this situation. Now if you want to add power without breaking traction, you have to use less of the tires traction on lateral friction, that means you can't turn as hard, aka taking a turn with less speed.

Now, I'm not saying that there's no gain to be found, but it's far from "laying on the throttle through the whole turn", it's more like being able to hit the gas earlier, but having an earlier apex isn't always possible given the way the car handles, so it all depends. I'm not even getting into the other discussion, until someone can post up a proven article of a STOCK R34 doing better then a 7:57 at the ring, I'm going to continue to believe what I believe now, of course i'm open to changing my mind, but i've searched for hours and come up with nothing.

[9ball]

Well, I've driven both in Gran Turismo 3 and the Z06 is a lot more nimble and turns much better times than the R34 Skyline. I'm afraid that's the only seat time I'll ever get in either one of those cars.

[ZZII]

Dude, i love GT3 also, but that's only a game. That is only a simulation. Not the real thing.