Questions on B18C in a 1990 CRX SiR

[pinyo8]

Hi guys

I am comtemplating in putting in a B18C (ITR engine) into my SiR as it has more torque due to the bigger engine. The questions that I have are:

1) Do the B16A and B18C have the same engine mounts.

2) B16A is a cable operated tranny. Can I use the existing tranny with the B18C? I have asked a few shops (JMS for one but I dont think they really know) and they say that I would have to modify my car to use the hydraulic tranny. But the thing is, I was read in the Hybrid site and they said that I could just use the same tranny.

3) Electrical stuffs - Do I need to change the ECU, etc?

I know the B18C is an expensive engine. There are stroker kits around and I was wondering if that is basically the same anyway? I will eventually turbocharge my car but like I said, I am thinking about this option.

Also, where can I get CTR camshafts in aus? do I need to get Type R valve springs as well? I dont want to pay an arm and a leg for them.

I have been reading AF but havent really had much to say. When are you guys going to meet up next?

Cheers!

[Oz]

The ITR engine (I'm interested in dropping it into a 5th gen civic chassis) runs between $5500 and $10,000 for the engine and transmission alone. The code is something like B18C-5. For CTR cams , springs and retainers talk to ROger at Hybrid in Sydney as he was offering them on this board a while ago to Pete and Lang.

You're better off rebuilding and modifying you're current B16A. Croyden have a $5000 upgrade package that is both NA and pretty useful. You get cams, ECU, throttle body etc.

[B16a4me]

Ok, any B series will fit where another was.
Use your old tranny, no problem.
Stay away from strokers!!!!
Your computer would run the B18C but it would be suck it and see in regards to mixtures.
Turbo Pfft.....
SSS have a type R front cut for about $6,000.00 if anyone is interested/rich.
Dont NEED to run type R valve train but Id recommend it.
Honda NZ for type R parts.
Never heard of this package but be aware, a type R has 200cc more, Tbody, intake manifold, headers, cams, compression, ECU, flywheel, ported head and still only makes 195 hp compared to 170 for a B16a2. Dont believe the 10 hp from this, 10 hp from that crap. Those components (without the capacity increase) would set you back $5,000 for about 20 hp more. Hmmmmm, naybe a turbo would be best hehehe

[pinyo8]

Thanks for that b16a4me.

Hmmm, do you think its worth it to get the front cut. Is the extra hp and torque(torque is what I am really looking for) from a bigger engine worth it? I WILL definitely turbo it anyway. I talked to this guy, Mark, who owns a turbo b16a in his CRX and he said that for $9k, I could get 250hp at the wheels easy with just the b16a. tough decision. I guess it comes down to how much $$ I have.

If I get the front cut, I would definitely be willing to try to do the conversion myself seeing that it just "bolts" straight in.

Once again, thanks for the info.

[Spunkymonkey]

Originally posted by pinyo8
Thanks for that b16a4me.

Hmmm, do you think its worth it to get the front cut. Is the extra hp and torque(torque is what I am really looking for) from a bigger engine worth it? I WILL definitely turbo it anyway. I talked to this guy, Mark, who owns a turbo b16a in his CRX and he said that for $9k, I could get 250hp at the wheels easy with just the b16a. tough decision. I guess it comes down to how much $$ I have.

If I get the front cut, I would definitely be willing to try to do the conversion myself seeing that it just "bolts" straight in.

Once again, thanks for the info.

you've already got a B16a...

I wouldn't swap a B18c5 in...because of the cost involved..and it would be much better saving your money for turbo...


b18c5 cuts..cost anywhere from about 6 - 9K

its not worth the money because your not going to get that much hp improvement for the money you spend....

better to turbocharge the B16a.

with the valve springs etc... you'll probably need them if you want to raise the rev limiter.

I've got a few links at home, I'll post them tomorrow or something..

I also know someone selling some ITR cams...but he's in Adelaide. I decided against buying them.

[Oz]

http://www.jacksonracing.com/


Why not Super Charge it? You get a full, dyno and road tested kit you could prob. install yourself if you could do an engine. Theres also no lag. Their B16A kit is supposed to be really top shelf stuff.

[tenzoracerevovii]

Originally posted by ozriceboy
The ITR engine (I'm interested in dropping it into a 5th gen civic chassis) runs between $5500 and $10,000 for the engine and transmission alone. The code is something like B18C-5. For CTR cams , springs and retainers talk to ROger at Hybrid in Sydney as he was offering them on this board a while ago to Pete and Lang.

You're better off rebuilding and modifying you're current B16A. Croyden have a $5000 upgrade package that is both NA and pretty useful. You get cams, ECU, throttle body etc.

I've NEVER seen a ITR motor for 10 grand. And I am talking about engine, transmission, and everything needed for a COMPLETE SWAP. I've seen complete ITR front clips for cheaper than 10. even 5,500 is a bit high. I've seen ITR's go for 4,700 at the lowest.........maybe it's different in Australia, but i would guess it would be even cheaper, since you guys get the cool JDM cars. maybe it IS more expensive then here in southern cali

[Oz]

Mate,
ITR was an Australian delivered car. We have dickhead Aussie's crashing the things as well as the jap import motors. They are that expensive because of their relative newness/rareness.

[Spunkymonkey]

Originally posted by tenzoracerevovii


I've NEVER seen a ITR motor for 10 grand. And I am talking about engine, transmission, and everything needed for a COMPLETE SWAP. I've seen complete ITR front clips for cheaper than 10. even 5,500 is a bit high. I've seen ITR's go for 4,700 at the lowest.........maybe it's different in Australia, but i would guess it would be even cheaper, since you guys get the cool JDM cars. maybe it IS more expensive then here in southern cali

its not cheaper LOL

they are front cuts we usually get though...not engines by themselves. You also have to take into consideration the currency differences LOL

[Setanta]

/me ducks in

The Jackson SC is a POS - unreliable, leaks the oil needed to keep the vanes lubricated and generally a shoddy piece of equipment. Nor does it even come close to the claims made by retaillers and magazines. Fitting it to a B16A powered EF is incredibly difficult - get out the angle-grinder due to the lack of space (less than the EK it was designed for).

The B18C5 swap will bolt straight in with a little work on the mounts - clearance to bonnet is an issue as the B18 is slightly taller. You WILL need the ECU - the SiR's ECU is totally unsuited. More so because the diff is computer controlled. You'll need to convert to a hydro clutch which will be a pain and a half. Custom extractors are a must as the ITR 4-1 setup will NOT fit between the motor and crossmember.

Legally, you will have to upgrade your brakes to suit the motor.

Turboing the B16A - why bother? You are taking a motor with a ridiculously high compression ratio and adding forced induction. Even with an intercooler, boost will be limited until you add a decompression plate. By then you have a motor that was not designed to run a turbo running a turbo. For every success story I hear of a B-series turbo, I hear of 3-4 failures as the bolt on kits are simply a waste of time unless you rebuild the entire motor with turbocharging in mind. It's no good having a blindingly fast turbo car that dies when pushed after a period of time.

Want turbo or a "real" fast car. Go buy a factory turbo and go from there. Your hip pocket will love you for it Remember - every dollar you put into modding the car is a dollar you'll never see again when you sell it. See all those wonderful modified cars in the magazines? I bet no-one ever makes their money back Hondas are nice, Hondas are quick, Hondas are not super-fast street machines - not even the S2000/ITR/NSX.

/ducks out again

[Oz]

That's not what I've heard at all about JRSC, but however I digress. The real reason for this post was

Welcome back Pete! Woooohoooo.....

[Spunkymonkey]

you could have just smsed him if you missed him that much

we were just discussing when we're going to bring our cars over for you to wash LOL :silly2:

kidding.

[Oz]

Originally posted by Spunkymonkey
you could have just smsed him if you missed him that much

we were just discussing when we're going to bring our cars over for you to wash LOL :silly2:

kidding.

SMS - My phone has been MIA for about a week after I left it on the ski bus. Only got it back today.

Wash..oh did I mention :finger:
Actually, go ahead. I won't be working at all this weekend due to the torn ankle ligament incident. You could both come over to my place for a BBQ after the wash if you like. sms me.

[Spunkymonkey]

Originally posted by ozriceboy


SMS - My phone has been MIA for about a week after I left it on the ski bus. Only got it back today.

Wash..oh did I mention :finger:
Actually, go ahead. I won't be working at all this weekend due to the torn ankle ligament incident. You could both come over to my place for a BBQ after the wash if you like. sms me.

I was just teasing I washed my car on tuesday LOL

will be working on the city tomorrow....may be out on sunday..not sure...if I'm free..I'll give you buzz.

[Oz]

Sweet. Get a few people together. BBQ is goood.