Questioning Rumors about the GTR?

[skylinegtr34]

Here are the rumors I am questioning:

1. The GTR will come to the U.S. in 2006 with 400hp.
400 hp will be pretty weak in 2006 almost every car coming out now has 300+hp so I imagine in 2006 every car will have somewhere around 400hp.

2. There will be a Turbo 350z.
If the n/a 350z is already near 300 hp so if the GTR will only be 400 hp. Why would Nissan release 2 sports cars with similar specs?

3. The GTR will be released as a Nissan.
I think the G35 answers that question Infiniti.

4. The GTR will not do well when released in the U.S.
Most GTR fans are probably about 17-23 right now. In 2006up they will have been out of college for a few years, they should be able to afford the cars by then.

5. The GTR will cost 90k when released.
Does anyone know about a car called the Tommy Karia ZZ2. Direct from Tommy Karia's site the car maybe released in the U.S. for the price of 90k USD.

[flylwsi]

double post. that's really not appreciated...

but a good topic...

look for everyone else's replies in the United States section of the skyline forum.

[Evomaniac]

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
Here are the rumors I am questioning:

1. The GTR will come to the U.S. in 2006 with 400hp.
400 hp will be pretty weak in 2006 almost every car coming out now has 300+hp so I imagine in 2006 every car will have somewhere around 400hp.

2. There will be a Turbo 350z.
If the n/a 350z is already near 300 hp so if the GTR will only be 400 hp. Why would Nissan release 2 sports cars with similar specs?

3. The GTR will be released as a Nissan.
I think the G35 answers that question Infiniti.

4. The GTR will not do well when released in the U.S.
Most GTR fans are probably about 17-23 right now. In 2006up they will have been out of college for a few years, they should be able to afford the cars by then.

5. The GTR will cost 90k when released.
Does anyone know about a car called the Tommy Karia ZZ2. Direct from Tommy Karia's site the car maybe released in the U.S. for the price of 90k USD.

I'm just revising all of the info to see what is right and what's not, yet it is very good information.Some guy's I don't know jack shi# about the skyline but I don't really care about proving them wrong, me knowing of what I previously have acknowleged about the skyline is enough.

1. Nissan at press time said it would come out in early 2005 with 400 hp, this is just a hint or a "taste" of it, leaving the 17-23 age group crazy to spend all their money to buy one, what the media does to you :o .


2.I have never heard about the turbo 350z, anyway's Nissan really doesn't want to turbo it, not in the U.S. for that matter, not now anyway's I mean if the skyline is coming they'll be more worried on that car than the "turbo" version of the 350z.


3.You're right the Infiniti G35 answered everyone's answer's as to what may lie ahead of us, shall I say to what lie's ahead for Nissan's future.


4. No one know's for sure how the reaction's of the people,media, buyer's will be, Nissan is not sure how it will be taken but in japan they have no worries they've had the skyline for many years and they know how good of a quality it is and that's it's worth the money to buy one, but should not be taken into consideration if you can't afford one, again this is where the 17-23 age group stand's but in the us many people might not know what a skyline is they just might want it for it's look's not raw power like me, but i think it will do allright here, even though buyer's will think it's a volvo or something,this confusion will most likely happen if you don't know anything about car's and if you guy's are so interested as to be in a car forum this does not apply to you.


5.This is what is expected but no one know's for sure except Nissan of course.

-Dave

[VQuick]

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
1. The GTR will come to the U.S. in 2006 with 400hp.
400 hp will be pretty weak in 2006 almost every car coming out now has 300+hp so I imagine in 2006 every car will have somewhere around 400hp.

Most of the competition from Japan will probably have about 400hp(Supra replacement, 2nd gen NSX), so Nissan should be fine with about 400hp for the GT-R.

2. There will be a Turbo 350z.
If the n/a 350z is already near 300 hp so if the GTR will only be 400 hp. Why would Nissan release 2 sports cars with similar specs?

There is a faster Z planned for 2005. It may not necessarily be turbocharged. Nissan could just as easily place the 345hp VK45DE V8 in the Z, for example. We know the engine will already fit in the chassis, since the Infiniti FX45 crossover SUV uses the same FM platform as well.

3. The GTR will be released as a Nissan.
I think the G35 answers that question Infiniti.

The GT-R would obviously be released as a Nissan in Japan and Europe, since Infiniti is pretty much a US-exclusive marque. In the US, however, we have both Nissan and Infiniti. Thus, at this point, it can't really be said which brand will have the GT-R.

4. The GTR will not do well when released in the U.S.
Most GTR fans are probably about 17-23 right now. In 2006up they will have been out of college for a few years, they should be able to afford the cars by then.

NIssan will also be targeting another market with the GT-R. They are actually going after some members of the older crowd with discriminating taste in sports cars. The GT-R has already been planned as a 'cut-price 911 beater,' according to Car.

5. The GTR will cost 90k when released.
Does anyone know about a car called the Tommy Karia ZZ2. Direct from Tommy Karia's site the car maybe released in the U.S. for the price of 90k USD.

Prices for the GT-R have yet to be officially announced by Nissan. The price could go up to $90k, and surely some people would still buy it, as an alternative to the $120k+ Porsche 911 Turbo.

[skylinegtr34]

You all are ignoring the fact that the0 Tommy Kaira ZZ2 is basically a better GTR 34. Why buy the GTR 35 for 90k went you can have a ZZ2 for the same price. The ZZ2 is faster, looks better, lighter,more power, and handles better. Im not sure but I believe it seats 3 similar to the Mclaren f1.

My point about the age grouping is that the fans of the GTR should be able to afford them by the time they kick into gear in the U.S.

As for the cars with High hp coming around the time of the GTR. The 2004 Mustang, Ford GT40, NSX-R, ZZ2, GTO, Rally-Art Evolution, Chevy SS, ect.. If a 350Z comes alone with 350+ hp I think that would hurt GTR sales in the U.S. market.

[rsxer45]

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
You all are ignoring the fact that the0 Tommy Kaira ZZ2 is basically a better GTR 34. Why buy the GTR 35 for 90k went you can have a ZZ2 for the same price. The ZZ2 is faster, looks better, lighter,more power, and handles better. Im not sure but I believe it seats 3 similar to the Mclaren f1.

Was it confirmed that the Tommy Kaira ZZII is going to be produced??? Where did you get the info about the ZZII? I can't find that many sites with info on the ZZII. Any help would be appreciated .

[flylwsi]

and um, the zz2 would have to be emissions and crash tested here...

after seeing pics of it, i don't see that happening.

it's hard enough to legalize a skyline...

think about what it would take to get a zz2 crash tested here.

not gonna happen.

[skylinegtr34]

All my information about the ZZ2 is directly from official Tommy kaira's web page. The car will not be a gray market import like the GTR, Tommy Kaira is talking about marketing the car them themselves.


Go here: http://www.tommykaira.com/index2.html click English and click ZZ near the top of page. Look near bottom of the section for the quote below.

“Unfortunately, the ZZ is only sold primarily in Japan, with a small number sold in the UK where the car is actually made. However, Tommy Kaira is gearing up to begin production of its second car, the ZZII. This car is expected to weigh in around some 2,200 pounds and be driven by a motor with around 500 horsepower! It may eventually find its way to the US, as well as the UK and other overseas markets where drivers love fast cars. We plan to post updates on the development of the ZZII.”

[flylwsi]

no offense, but you're reading a bit too much into that.

it takes quite a few cars to crash test for US standards, as well as meet emissions.

i don't see it coming here officially...
it may be imported by people, but the likelihood of them actually "officially" selling them here...

doubt it...

that quote doesn't mean too much...

[rsxer45]

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
Go here: http://www.tommykaira.com/index2.html click English and click ZZ near the top of page. Look near bottom of the section for the quote below.

Thank you .

[skylinegtr34]

Quote: "it takes quite a few cars to crash test for US standards, as well as meet emissions"


I don’t get your point. Tommy Kaira is a major Auto Manufacturer, and Tuner company. They have the funds to perform the test, what would make you think they couldn’t?

[R34 GT-R SKYLINE]

Do you know how many cars had to be changed to make it to the US market?? Do you even know for sure its is coming to the US?? Not many know of TK overhere anyways. The Evo.8's front end had to be chnaged a bit and made heavier to pass crash testing here.

[flylwsi]

well, to answer....

so does nissan.

money out their ears.

where's the skyline at in the states...

oh that's right, they didn't bring it here or crash test it...

anything else?

[Evomaniac]

I though flaming was not allowed,oh well.
-Dave

[VQuick]

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
You all are ignoring the fact that the0 Tommy Kaira ZZ2 is basically a better GTR 34. Why buy the GTR 35 for 90k went you can have a ZZ2 for the same price. The ZZ2 is faster, looks better, lighter,more power, and handles better. Im not sure but I believe it seats 3 similar to the Mclaren f1.

My point about the age grouping is that the fans of the GTR should be able to afford them by the time they kick into gear in the U.S.

As for the cars with High hp coming around the time of the GTR. The 2004 Mustang, Ford GT40, NSX-R, ZZ2, GTO, Rally-Art Evolution, Chevy SS, ect.. If a 350Z comes alone with 350+ hp I think that would hurt GTR sales in the U.S. market.

This is pretty easy. Some people want a GT-R, plain and simple. Some people, like me, want the R35 for it's technological advances over the R34. Others want it because it is still a true 4-seater, with nice amenities and no silly 3-seat gimmicks.

There are many uninformed people as well, who know nothing about Tommy Kaira. Who will they trust and buy a car from? An established company like Nissan, or some small 'upstart' company fresh out of Japan? Where would the Tommy Kaira ZZ2 even be sold?