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02-20-2003, 12:32 PM
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How can to get over Fwd
What are some things you could do to a Fwd car to get better traction? Most of the cars I have been looking at are fwd and to me thats a big deal I would really prefer a RWD car but Im interested in what some of you have done how much its cost you and things like that to get your Fwd car better traction and weight transfer.
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#2
02-20-2003, 01:56 PM
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what do you plan to do with the car?
fwd doesn't have horrible weight transfer or traction issues... so what do you want to do and we can go from there?
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#3
02-20-2003, 02:53 PM
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Well it would be my daily driver/weekend racer I would like to take it down to my local drag strip now and then and I would be doing a little organized street racing with it. From what I have heard Fwd cars problems with launching because during the launch all the weight goes to the back. Is this really a big problem or am I just making it out to be more than it is
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#4
02-20-2003, 04:59 PM
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it's not as big as you're making it...
fwd cars, especially on the street, have the same traction as a rwd car... the power transfer is a different story, but you won't have any major issues... it's simply difficult to get a fwd car as fast as a rwd car, mainly b/c of a lack of lowend power and what not... getting a nice set of sticky tires will make a huge difference, but anything else (for the street/moderate track usage) is overkill... you could go with drag coilovers (stifffff in the rear) a LSD, some traction bars for the front, and all that good stuff, but it's overkill... don't worry about it, just work on gettin more power and gettin it down... it's more the driver than the car... if you can launch good, don't worry...
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#5
02-20-2003, 06:26 PM
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SUSPENSION SUSPENSION SUSPENSION
If you are going to have enough power that you will have traction problems, it is all in the suspension.
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#6
02-20-2003, 09:09 PM
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#8
02-20-2003, 11:38 PM
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that's exactly what i meant...
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#9
02-21-2003, 01:51 AM
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Battery relocation and fuel cell are very popular to provide better f/r and l/r weight distribution, while also adding more safety to the driver. The lighter you can get your car the better, so stripping it would be very helpful as well.
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#10
02-21-2003, 06:03 AM
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lighter flywheel, suspension new clutch new brakes, LSD, Strut braces.
I presume you want it to be able to turn at speed too?
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#11
02-21-2003, 12:24 PM
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LSD is a big thing, and learn how to launch pro-style. My friend launches his near stock ITR at 7k rpm with just barely a chirp.
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#13
02-21-2003, 04:09 PM
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What is really relevant is how fast you want it to be. If you plan on putting down 300hp, that's pushing the limits of what FWD can do, launch wise.
flylwsi, many FWD cars, such a Volkswagens and Pontiacs have very nice low end torque. It's just a bad setup for drag racing, if you plan on going faster than 13s. So RacerD12, how fast do you want it to be? If it's only 200hp, then stiffer springs and better tires all around will just about do the trick.
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#14
02-21-2003, 06:38 PM
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At least 300hp and I want to run 10s but if its still going to be my daily driver then 12s would do. So maybe Fwd isnt for me, guess no VR6 jetta
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#15
02-21-2003, 07:30 PM
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Nope, streetable 10sec Jetta's aren't in the cards without some sort of transplanted 4motion AWD set-up off of a RSI Beetle or Passat/A4. FF arrangements aren't really able to be sorted out for that sort of thing. Between axle hop, weight transfer, and the general fragility of transaxles and halfshafts, I couldn't even justify a 10sec FF drag car.
There's only one factory transaxle I know of that can fully take 300hp, and that's in the Northstar Cadillacs and I think a few other GM products, too. Long story short, beyond 12secs, FF isn't practical for street and strip use in my estimation. I've often thought that it might make for an interesting rally car to take a CRX, swap in a B20C out of an Integra, and then fabricate in the 4WD arrangement from a CRV. Low weight, short wheelbase, high engine speeds, and 4WD. SCCA ProRally open class here I come. But I digress...
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