are my tires gonna wear and tear?

[thebobs]

will a -3 degree camber cause extreme tire wear. i have to use zrated low pros cuz my ride is so low. :bonghitte

also i think my toe angles are messed up, cuz my car pulls to the side. by the way its a 98 prelude SH at least 2 "

Do a lot of people experience trouble with the control arms rubbing after camber kit is installed?

[HONDA_99]

yes. and very fast.

you need to get alignment done. and you probably need a camber kit to that -3% camber.

[CAptynCrunch]

No, -3 degrees of camber won't do anyhting to increase tire wear.

IF you corret your toe settings. It isn't camber that kills tires, it's lowering a car and not adjusting the toe settings that kills tires early.

However, Negative camber, while giving better traction through hard cornering will also decrease stability at high(i mean red-line in fifth) speeds in a straight line.

So yeah, go for the alignment job, I mean it's always a good thing no matter what. But a more complete suspension would be nicer.

[thebobs]

Originally posted by CAptynCrunch
No, -3 degrees of camber won't do anyhting to increase tire wear.

IF you corret your toe settings. It isn't camber that kills tires, it's lowering a car and not adjusting the toe settings that kills tires early.

However, Negative camber, while giving better traction through hard cornering will also decrease stability at high(i mean red-line in fifth) speeds in a straight line.

So yeah, go for the alignment job, I mean it's always a good thing no matter what. But a more complete suspension would be nicer.

did u mean to say -3 degrees of camber wont to anything to DECREASE tire wear?

[strodda]

thats not true, excessive camber either way WILL increase wear. not as much as bad toe, but it will. bad camber will cause the tires to wear hard on one side. bad toe will cause a feathered affect. i was lowered 2" and after a year the insides were almost bald, and the toe was fine.

you should definetly get a camber kit and get an alignment, asap. and if you wanna save alot since kits can be expensive. just install it yourself and take it the same day to the shop.

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by CAptynCrunch
No, -3 degrees of camber won't do anyhting to increase tire wear.

IF you corret your toe settings. It isn't camber that kills tires, it's lowering a car and not adjusting the toe settings that kills tires early.

However, Negative camber, while giving better traction through hard cornering will also decrease stability at high(i mean red-line in fifth) speeds in a straight line.

So yeah, go for the alignment job, I mean it's always a good thing no matter what. But a more complete suspension would be nicer.

What? Where'd you hear that one? So if I put a 5" heel on your left foot and a sandal on your right foot you aren't going to have any problems walking?

-3 negative camber is a bit excessive. Even some autocrossers only go up to 2 degrees.

So a combination of toe and camber will make your tires wear out quicker. So you can either 1) buy a camber kit, 2) raise the car up, or 3) just live with buying new tires every 3 months.

[thebobs]

Originally posted by CivicSiRacer


So you can either 1) buy a camber kit, 2) raise the car up, or 3) just live with buying new tires every 3 months.

every 3 months?!?!
how do u figure???

[delsolsi]

Its toe that causes excess tire wear, not camber. Get a protractor and look at how little 3 degrees is. From my personal experience, lowered my car but didn't get the toe fixed, the inside inch or so of the tire wore really fast. Fixed the toe, had -2 dergrees of camber the whole tire wore evenly, slighty tilted to the inside but almost imperseveable, by the time the inside was warn the outside was also in need of being replaced. Yes -3 is a bit excessesive and maybe a camber kit would be a good idea, but not because of tire wear.

I also read in Sport Compact Car a couple of years ago when they where doing an alignment on a project car, Civic Si if I rember but I'm not sure, that their agressive toe setting would cause lots of excess tire wear on the street not the camber.

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by thebobs


every 3 months?!?!
how do u figure???

That's just a guess-ta-mate. Excessive camber will wear down your tires quick.

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by delsolsi
Its toe that causes excess tire wear, not camber. Get a protractor and look at how little 3 degrees is. From my personal experience, lowered my car but didn't get the toe fixed, the inside inch or so of the tire wore really fast. Fixed the toe, had -2 dergrees of camber the whole tire wore evenly, slighty tilted to the inside but almost imperseveable, by the time the inside was warn the outside was also in need of being replaced. Yes -3 is a bit excessesive and maybe a camber kit would be a good idea, but not because of tire wear.

I also read in Sport Compact Car a couple of years ago when they where doing an alignment on a project car, Civic Si if I rember but I'm not sure, that their agressive toe setting would cause lots of excess tire wear on the street not the camber.

You know what I'm not going to argue. You can believe all you want. If my tires couldn't even stand up by themselves with a 2" drop after 5000 miles, then I guess you are right camber has nothing to do with tire wear.

[thebobs]

lol....so can someone give me a definative answer please? will -3 degrees of camber increase tire wear or not?

[CivicSiRacer]

Originally posted by thebobs
lol....so can someone give me a definative answer please? will -3 degrees of camber increase tire wear or not?

Email me.

[strodda]

Originally posted by thebobs
lol....so can someone give me a definative answer please? will -3 degrees of camber increase tire wear or not?

yes it will. its not gonna kill your tires in a month, but why would you wanna put unnecessary wear on expensive tires. i sure as hell wouldnt want to. just do what i did, put up a kit. hopefully cheap from ebay or something like that. install it yourself and pay a shop to adjust them. thats alot better than shortening the life on a set of tires thatll probably run you $500+ to replace them.

bottom line. anyone who says excessive camber doesnt affect tire wear, ignore them.

[delsolsi]

Originally posted by strodda
bottom line. anyone who says excessive camber doesnt affect tire wear, ignore them.

Just for clarification what are you calling "execessive wear" A or B. In my experience A is what you get from camber, I do not call this excessive. B is what you get from toe, this is excessive and your tires wont last as long as they should.

[thebobs]

ok delsol u like to use logic rite? so the fact that 3 degrees is hardly noticable from the naked eye means it wont wear fast right. well consider this logic: for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction. in the case of tires u have a certain surface area pressing a 4th (in the case of one tire) of the weight of the car against the road. Now in the case of normal camber, you would have that weight evenly distributed across the whole tire. Well the fact is, a tire isnt that wide, and a car is fucking heavy, so every little cm displaces some weight. So yes, tilting the tire at even a slight angle, and putting more of that force over a smaller area means the tire is pushing harder on the road, and remeber what i said at the beginning? the road pushes back, oh yes it does, and over that small area it rips rubber off a lot faster.

I suppose that you have shitty tires on your ride, because i could understand a harder tire not taking as excessive wear. But im riding on some soft shit, so i think im going to have to say i dont buy your shit or your diagram.
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