eXperimental Prototype thread

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Le Man

08-05-2008, 01:02 PM

This thread is for articles and clips on all XP,s 1 to 5.

If anybody wishes to add, please do.

Couple of odd pages to start.

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9849/95082456qu4.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=95082456qu4.jpg) XP2...http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/6883/67654066fi9.th.jpg (http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=67654066fi9.jpg) XP3

hurstg01

08-05-2008, 01:10 PM

cool idea - although I don't think I have anything to add :banghead:

Le Man

08-31-2008, 04:45 AM

roger_ph

09-01-2008, 06:10 AM

Le Man

09-02-2008, 12:57 PM

Excellent pics Roger :thumbsup:

Its great, to see old pics like these. Just wish there were a lot more on the web and not tucked away on old 35mm negs.

Le Man

11-30-2008, 06:00 AM

Another Autocar article,

Still the greatest!! :smokin:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/2172/acxp51lw6.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=acxp51lw6.jpg)http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/2741/acxp52rw8.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=acxp52rw8.jpg) http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/9464/acxp53kk4.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=acxp53kk4.jpg)http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/8425/acxp54px4.th.jpg (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=acxp54px4.jpg) http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/1940/acxp55af5.th.jpg (http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=acxp55af5.jpg)

The two main pics, need joining together in photoshop, someone got some spare time? :smile:

hurstg01

01-17-2009, 01:29 PM

Here are some pics that I have recently stumbled across

http://img155.imagevenue.com/loc1152/th_20439_n690805231_4313520_266_122_1152lo.jpg (http://img155.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=20439_n690805231_4313520_266_122_115 2lo.jpg) http://img145.imagevenue.com/loc811/th_20425_n690805231_4313519_9936_122_811lo.jpg (http://img145.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=20425_n690805231_4313519_9936_122_81 1lo.jpg) http://img170.imagevenue.com/loc641/th_20445_n690805231_4313530_3470_122_641lo.jpg (http://img170.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=20445_n690805231_4313530_3470_122_64 1lo.jpg)

roger_ph

01-27-2009, 09:52 AM

This is a picture I am very proud on:

http://img146.imagevenue.com/loc146/th_71082_Paul_Rosche_122_146lo.jpg (http://img146.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=71082_Paul_Rosche_122_146lo.jpg)

It shows Paul Rosche next to XP5 (1995 Nürburgring) ...

Roger

Peloton25

01-27-2009, 10:46 PM

That's a great shot Roger. Did you get a chance to talk with him as well?

Here's some additions to this thread - nothing new for most of us, but can't hurt to keep some of these things together in one place.

XP1 being driven by the men behind the F1 project at Silverstone:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/1e_1_c.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/1e_1_b.jpg

An unpainted XP2 & XP3 together:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/XP2_and_XP3.jpg

XP5 at Ehra Lessien for the top speed run in 1998. Note the missing windscreen wiper and the front plate "decal" to aid with the aerodynamics.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/920315b.jpg

If you look closely here you'll see the shut lines taped over around the bonnet and tape over the turn signal lenses as well:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/920307as.jpg

The magic number:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/920315a.jpg

The glamour shot to celebrate:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1/240mph.jpg

>8^)
ER

roger_ph

01-28-2009, 12:29 AM

Yes Erik, I did :runaround:
He is a really nice guy. He loves to talk about the projects he did in the past.
Unfortunately he was a bit shy in front of my camera - I had to persuade him for this picture very hard...

Roger

Peloton25

01-28-2009, 02:30 AM

F1GTRUeno

01-28-2009, 07:57 PM

So where are they all now then?

XP1 was crashed in Namibia by the BMW test driver?

XP2 was the crash test model am I right?

XP3 is in the hands of Gordon Murray?

XP4 is in California?

XP5 is still in the hands of McLaren at the factory?

Peloton25

01-28-2009, 10:22 PM

Spot on as far as I am aware. :)

>8^)
ER

Peloton25

01-29-2009, 11:55 PM

Le Man

01-30-2009, 06:12 AM

Thanks Erik, :thumbsup:

For the additional articles, all new to me :popcorn:

rr_ww

01-30-2009, 11:57 AM

hurstg01

01-30-2009, 12:17 PM

Any idea where that is?
Genesis ;)

rr_ww

01-30-2009, 12:33 PM

I don't think it is. Looks like it, but the glass building at the end and the proximity of residential houses makes me think its not.

hurstg01

01-30-2009, 12:44 PM

I must admit, that thought occured to me when the taker of the photo's said thats where they are from.... but I have been there and it does seem like the right place, it is in the outskirts of a housing estate.

mini magic

01-30-2009, 02:15 PM

Its not genesis. I've been there and thats not it. I'm fairly sure the place where they did the bodywork or paintwork. I can't remember which one. I've driven past it and i'm fairly certain this is the place

roger_ph

01-31-2009, 04:23 AM

This is a small article regarding XP1 from the German car magazine "auto motor und sport" issue 5 (February) 1993:

http://img246.imagevenue.com/loc33/th_00859_XP1_122_33lo.JPG (http://img246.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=00859_XP1_122_33lo.JPG)

Roger

hurstg01

01-31-2009, 11:47 AM

Found some of XP5 (?) in the same location - looks like you were right Chris and rr_ww, doesn't look like Genesis from these pics

http://img152.imagevenue.com/loc610/th_27651_n690805231_4313510_3189_122_610lo.jpg (http://img152.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=27651_n690805231_4313510_3189_122_61 0lo.jpg) http://img111.imagevenue.com/loc656/th_27670_n690805231_4313511_3590_122_656lo.jpg (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=27670_n690805231_4313511_3590_122_65 6lo.jpg) http://img125.imagevenue.com/loc186/th_27689_n690805231_4313514_4557_122_186lo.jpg (http://img125.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=27689_n690805231_4313514_4557_122_18 6lo.jpg) http://img40.imagevenue.com/loc382/th_27728_n690805231_4313513_4242_122_382lo.jpg (http://img40.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=27728_n690805231_4313513_4242_122_38 2lo.jpg)

Peloton25

01-31-2009, 01:59 PM

Le Man

02-01-2009, 06:00 AM

XP5??....... not so sure!!

Look closer, at the fourth pic.

hurstg01

02-01-2009, 06:17 AM

Hence my (?); It doesn't look very green [could just be the filter on the camera though] and perhaps it's the angle but you can't see the red seat inserts.

Le Man

02-01-2009, 10:12 AM

Hence my (?); It doesn't look very green [could just be the filter on the camera though] and perhaps it's the angle but you can't see the red seat inserts.

Check the door lock body form shape.

XP5 has a round indent for its door lock.

hurstg01

02-01-2009, 10:25 AM

Good spot :thumbsup:. What do you reckon the chassis # for the car is? or do you think the first 3 pics are of XP5 and the last is of another car?

Le Man

02-01-2009, 10:36 AM

The first three pics are XP4 OR 5

Could the last pic be 002? (dorchester grey) or 005 (jet black)

Its an early production car with Citroen mirrors

hurstg01

02-01-2009, 11:06 AM

#002 has the same sort of surround..

Peloton25

02-01-2009, 11:42 AM

Good eye LeMan - looking at it closer now I think the 4th photo is #003. It appears that the mirror base and mirror shape is more like the Citroen units and the interior is a match for #003's original fitment. Chassis #003 was the first F1 to feature the U-shaped cutouts for the door lock indentation.

I'd still wager that the first 3 shots are XP5, because XP4's original color when it wore that nose treatment was much lighter and more gray.

>8^)
ER

hurstg01

02-01-2009, 01:41 PM

another of XP3
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http://img133.imagevenue.com/loc594/th_18341_n690805231_4313518_9614_122_594lo.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4313519&id=690805231&op=1&view=all&subj=2226630292&aid=-1&oid=2226630292)
and of #003 (?)
http://img136.imagevenue.com/loc1072/th_18388_n690805231_4313522_596_122_1072lo.jpg (http://img136.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=18388_n690805231_4313522_596_122_107 2lo.jpg)[URL="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4313517&id=690805231&op=1&view=all&subj=2226630292&aid=-1&oid=2226630292";]

Le Man

02-01-2009, 01:43 PM

Peloton25

02-01-2009, 02:47 PM

and of #003 (?)
http://img136.imagevenue.com/loc1072/th_18388_n690805231_4313522_596_122_1072lo.jpg (http://img136.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=18388_n690805231_4313522_596_122_107 2lo.jpg)

Given the other photo, I'd say so.

Now the big questions is, where are you "finding" these? Something tells me they're landing in your inbox. ;)

If so, say thanks from me too! :grinyes:

>8^)
ER

shadow0000

02-02-2009, 03:25 AM

This thread is so exciting about prototype...

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rr_ww

02-02-2009, 04:09 AM

Those could be XP5s "first drive" photos. :yikes:

Note the sticker on the left rear tire in one photo implying it has yet to really be driven. I've also never seen XP5 wearing a plate other than its familiar "K8 MCL" but that is clearly the car in its very early stages of life. :cool:

>8^)
ER

Erik

The plates fitted to the car are what are known in the UK as (Motor) "Trade Plates" They are always red writing on a white background with a red border. One will have a Triangle on the top with owner (dealer) information on, the other will not.

I don't know if you have something similar in the US, so I'll explain. to drive a car legally on UK roads. It has to have (sale date defining) licence plates, a paid up vehicle Excise Duty (small paper disc in the windscreen) and if the car is over 3 year old a valid Ministry of Transport Test certificate (basically road worthiness/emissions check once a year) I'm told the converted race cars struggle to pass the emisions part. ;)

If however, the car is brand new a car dealer or manufacturer will have a set of Trade Plates which they can put onto ANY car and will exempt the car and driver from these requirements.

McLaren have a couple of these and as you may know one of the things they do when servicing the cars is remove the owners plates to ensure annonymity and use their own plates if they need to road test a vehicle. I've seen SLRs running around Woking with Trade plates fitted so it's something they still do.

http://img111.imagevenue.com/loc656/th_27670_n690805231_4313511_3590_122_656lo.jpg (http://img111.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=27670_n690805231_4313511_3590_122_65 6lo.jpg)

Front turn signals / Indicators look different to XP5 (see sig :D )

Peloton25

02-02-2009, 09:49 AM

Most states here have both Dealer and Manufacturer plates that allow for similar use as you have described.

Also, I'm not sure you were discounting the fact that those three shots are XP5 based on the differing front indicators, but if so I do have other shots of XP5 with the same early nose treatment. :)

>8^)
ER

Le Man

02-07-2009, 01:23 PM

These articles I have posted before featuring XP1, but not as scans.

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8274/ac12je7.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ac12je7.jpg)http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3549/ac13ju6.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ac13ju6.jpg).................http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/9925/ac10mi1.th.jpg (http://img88.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ac10mi1.jpg)http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/612/ac11cj1.th.jpg (http://img5.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ac11cj1.jpg)

This one is new though, a b+w from Autosport.

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/7506/as1bie5.th.jpg (http://img14.imageshack.us/my.php?image=as1bie5.jpg)

hurstg01

02-07-2009, 01:41 PM

:thumbsup:

Ted MCL

02-12-2009, 02:40 AM

The location featured in the photos is Shalford where the composite work for the F1 was undertaken. Every once in a while a completed car would be driven over from Woking to give the guys at Shalford a chance to see what it was all about.

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCP&cp=sj1k6jgyk10h&style=b&lvl=2&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=29556092&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1

The building used was formerly part of Ferrari GTO, John Barnard's technical office when he designed for the Ferrari F1 team. Right next door was another building still used by Barnard and you can see in some of the photos various Fiat group cars which were company cars used by the staff, mostly Alfa Romeo.

hurstg01

02-12-2009, 03:58 AM

Top first post :thumbsup:

Not wrong!

Le Man

03-21-2009, 05:20 PM

Look what got sent to the skip at Shalford. :runaround:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4199/automotiveheritage2copy.th.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=automotiveheritage2copy.jpg)

ONLY JOKING!! :lol:

Check this out, its from a PDF someone sent to me.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/2303/shalfordbodyinwhite.th.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/my.php?image=shalfordbodyinwhite.jpg)

hurstg01

03-23-2009, 03:13 AM

nice friend ;)

astonmartindbs001

03-23-2009, 03:32 AM

hurstg01 (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/member.php?u=101397), there's something wrong with the link to the last page of the CAR Magazine McLaren F1 GTR Le Mans test article. It can't be opened or downloaded. Please do fix it as soon as possible, as I'm dying to finish the article and find out what happened.

PS: Ignore my lame-ass user name, it was from a time when I thought that a DBS could ever be better than a Pagani Zonda Cinque or McLaren F1 GTR Le Mans (both natural rivals to each other, and quite probably the best supercars in the world by far in all aspects of performance). Stupid, stupid, silly old me......

Le Man

05-24-2009, 03:52 PM

Le Man

05-24-2009, 04:07 PM

Some one page articles. Enjoy.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/6513/ac2s.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ac2s.jpg)........http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/5541/ac3o.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ac3o.jpg)........http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/8617/ac5l.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ac5l.jpg).........http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/2821/ac8.th.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ac8.jpg)

hurstg01

05-25-2009, 02:49 AM

nice :thumbsup:

Le Man

07-21-2009, 03:35 PM

Two page article from ClassicSupercars supplement August 2003

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5773/35009664.th.jpg (http://img204.imageshack.us/i/35009664.jpg/)http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/2715/41084914.th.jpg (http://img188.imageshack.us/i/41084914.jpg/)

Rowan looks so serious behind the wheel, or is he gunning after another Metro aka "Johnny English" :wink:

hurstg01

03-21-2010, 08:04 AM

Anyone else think its kinda cool they are still using XP for the new Mclaren MP4-12C?

http://gallery.me.com/stevomacrocket/101209/D20_9444/web.jpg?ver=12675593020001

Did they start at XP1, or did they continue from XP6?....

astonmartindbs001

03-21-2010, 09:07 AM

Yes, I do think it's cool that they are still using XP for the new Mclaren MP4-12C.

No idea about the numbering series, although I am keen to see the next future XP1LM......

DocGTR

03-21-2010, 10:48 AM

Yes it's cool they're using the XP#'s on the MP4-12C protos as well. What I've read so far they have had about 20 of them driving about million test miles or kms together so far. About the numbering I suppose they started them from 1, or why was the LM proto XP1LM and not XP6. But then again the GT proto was with its chassis number: 56XPGT and not XP1GT. :dunno:

Anyway would be nice to see if they make a more aggressive version of this MP4-12C in a style of LM as they have told the plans to make a F430 GT2 rival of it. Such street version in papaya orange & black would be nice to see. It would also make a nice addition to my 1/43 collection as such. :)

Sami Aaltonen

03-21-2010, 11:57 AM

Anyway would be nice to see if they make a more aggressive version of this MP4-12C in a style of LM as they have told the plans to make a F430 GT2 rival of it. Such street version in papaya orange & black would be nice to see. It would also make a nice addition to my 1/43 collection as such. :)

I think, something is missing about this car. Just can't really see nothing special on it, outside looks I mean.
Oppisite round was McLaren F1, which I loved seen it after 1 second! :runaround:

But anyway, about that GT2 case; there is rumours really that McLaren is planning to get this car on the race tracks. Finish Television company MTV3 told that staff from McLaren factory has been seen on Ferrari's factory, seems that they went there to disscuss this racing case.

I wonder would this be GT2 or even GT1 which has now own championship this year. Well we'll see that later on I think.

DocGTR

03-21-2010, 12:37 PM

I think, something is missing about this car. Just can't really see nothing special on it, outside looks I mean.
Oppisite round was McLaren F1, which I loved seen it after 1 second! :runaround:

Yes it wasn't "love at first sight" but after some time it is beginning to appeal more and more. The rear is still ugly but if they re-work it to more racing kind of rear (like F430 to Scuderia, or LP640 to SV) it could be more tolerable. Also the front needs something similar as was made with F1 to GTR. I really like how they did it on the Murcielago for the SV's (LP670-4) front.

F1 is hard to beat in styling, maybe some Astons come close to it. But MP4-12C is not the direct successor to F1, just a new McLaren for the road. They have plans to later bring a higher performing sports car, that will possibly be a closer relative to the legend.

Sami Aaltonen

03-21-2010, 02:34 PM

Yes it wasn't "love at first sight" but after some time it is beginning to appeal more and more. The rear is still ugly but if they re-work it to more racing kind of rear (like F430 to Scuderia, or LP640 to SV) it could be more tolerable. Also the front needs something similar as was made with F1 to GTR. I really like how they did it on the Murcielago for the SV's (LP670-4) front.

F1 is hard to beat in styling, maybe some Astons come close to it. But MP4-12C is not the direct successor to F1, just a new McLaren for the road. They have plans to later bring a higher performing sports car, that will possibly be a closer relative to the legend.

YEP 100% agree.
Murciélago SV is great example that even old model can be "new" again.
Like it was Diablo's, they did serval "more porwerfull" versions of it. SV, SV-R, GT and GTR and those were defenitely more brutal looking versions than the basic ones!

Same case McLaren F1...the road car was superb, but then the images of LM or GTR........... Lost all the words back then. After that the car was perfect.

Here might be some direct what we could might expect?!
Note the GT1 badge........
http://www.topgear.com/uk/assets/cms/a95c231b-6f77-428d-a7a3-843eb8599d2f/Large%20Image.jpg?p=100203_11:44

BENTLEYBOYZ

04-21-2010, 04:36 PM

Yes, I do think it's cool that they are still using XP for the new Mclaren MP4-12C.

No idea about the numbering series, although I am keen to see the next future XP1LM......

XP6 was the first SLR prototype, crashed at high speed during testing @ Nardo (sounds a familiar story.......).

XP series of numbering was adopted from F1 project (XP1-5) through SLR project (XP6 -9) and now applies to MP4-12C project (XP10- ?).

Peloton25

04-21-2010, 05:13 PM

Except that here is Lewis admiring XP8.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/General%20Web%20Photos/McLaren-MP4-12C-97.jpg

>8^)
ER

Peloton25

04-26-2010, 07:48 PM

WaZzZuPpP

04-27-2010, 08:16 AM

I know its (slightly) off-topic, but... XP1 LIVES ON!:runaround:

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6235/2341010237214301600x106.jpg

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