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hurstg01

04-27-2010, 02:58 PM

Good find Erik!

What's with the pod by the drivers left shin?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20J/th_f900x600-F4F4F2-C-b61902a6-158402.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20J/f900x600-F4F4F2-C-b61902a6-158402.jpg)

Peloton25

04-28-2010, 12:02 AM

Not sure exactly, but given that photo must have been taken during the development phase perhaps they were just some extra gauges to keep a closer eye on things like oil pressure or transmission temperature and the like?

>8^)
ER

Le Man

04-28-2010, 05:19 AM

Peloton25

04-28-2010, 07:32 AM

Must have missed it then? :(

I just found those 8 and figured they were old, old, old - now I've found the others you were referring to here (http://www.sportauto-online.de/marken/news/gebrauchte-supersportwagen-mclaren-f1-gebrauchtwagentipps-1264804.html), but most of them are quite common shots.

...except for this one - which is almost dying for a caption of some sort. :lol2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20F/f900x600-F4F4F2-C-6af1f3cd-158509.jpg

>8^)
ER

carvad

06-02-2010, 02:33 PM

XP5 I believe? What year and place?

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3486/1993xp501.th.jpg (http://img339.imageshack.us/i/1993xp501.jpg/)

Peloton25

06-02-2010, 02:48 PM

That's going to be a very early photo of XP5 - probably taken in 1993 as the filename implies. XP5 was completed on September 17th 1993, so surely around that time. There are a couple of original elements on the car in this shot which would change over time including the front indicators and the door mirrors. Also the lack of a passenger seat to the right of the driver implies the car wasn't exactly 'finished' quite yet when this photo was taken.

As for the location - it would definitely be in the UK at one of the test tracks that McLaren frequented during the F1's development. Likely best guess is Chobham.

>8^)
ER

basman007

06-04-2010, 06:11 AM

Dr.D

06-04-2010, 08:34 AM

Please forgive me on this dumb question. Is the EXP Mclaren a car that Mclaren uses to make changes on to experiment with? Is there something slightly different about it?

Thanks!

bucciali

09-03-2010, 12:46 PM

Also some pics from a Japanese magazine. When scanner is in place, I'll arrange complete scans, instead of lousy photos :D

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3371/scan009o.th.jpg (http://img821.imageshack.us/i/scan009o.jpg/) http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/7551/scan002.th.jpg (http://img820.imageshack.us/i/scan002.jpg/)

Huivam

10-13-2010, 04:49 AM

must have missed it then? :(

i just found those 8 and figured they were old, old, old - now i've found the others you were referring to here (http://www.sportauto-online.de/marken/news/gebrauchte-supersportwagen-mclaren-f1-gebrauchtwagentipps-1264804.html), but most of them are quite common shots.

...except for this one - which is almost dying for a caption of some sort. :lol2:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/peloton25/mclaren%20f1%20f/f900x600-f4f4f2-c-6af1f3cd-158509.jpg

>8^)
er

xp4

dbsf1

10-18-2010, 12:44 AM

Not sure if this is now common knowledge or not re: MP4-12C.
I read a magazine recently, accompanied by a picture of "The test driver" with VP13.
"So after the initial concept had been tried on the PlayStation, McLaren built a mule based on a kit car to test the drivetrain (sounds familiar), then switched to XP (experiemental prototypes) for the first tests of the engine and gearbox in the correct chassis. Then the more advanced Beta XPs took over, before a switch to VP (validation protoypes and finally the PP (pilot production) cars being built now."
It goes on to say they will have completed over a million miles of testing by the time the cars go on sale, and mentions "20 prototypes".
Edit: Heres a link to a pic of VP11 http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/McLaren-MP4-12C-41.jpg and VP13 http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/McLaren-MP4-12C-31.jpg.
Just FYI ;)

Huivam

10-18-2010, 01:52 AM

I'm not sure that x-MP4 should be here.

dbsf1

10-18-2010, 02:26 PM

I'm not sure that x-MP4 should be here.

I felt that given the previous interest in the numbering of the protoypes for the MP4-12C and also Murray's little car, that the information may be appreciated by a number of the members in this community.

Huivam

10-19-2010, 02:01 AM

There's a thread up here for MP4. Otherwise, it's useless to have them both.

Huivam

10-19-2010, 03:09 AM

One of the most beautiful pictures of XP4, and funny XP5.

bucciali

10-30-2010, 01:28 PM

Adonai

04-06-2011, 05:30 AM

I don´t know if it is repost,...

The Beatles with the XP5 in Friar Park
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o76G1wrrZvU

hurstg01

04-06-2011, 05:36 AM

;)

It's in the Video thread, post #1 (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=5883727&postcount=1)

It took me absolutely AGES to find it, searching through the Beatles Anthology as I heard on Fchat an F1 was in a Beatles video; I was delighted to have finally found it :)

Peloton25

12-04-2011, 03:44 AM

I can't read Greek without a translator, but new photos of XP5 are always nice to see. :)

http://www.4troxoi.gr/default.php?art_id=12303&cat_id=19&pname=Article

Date on the article appears fairly recent. I am surprised to see that too as I'd heard that except for very exclusive reasons XP5 wouldn't be seeing much future use.

EDIT: Mentions "Dave Clark" being their host, so I guess this is a digital reprint of a much older article.

>8^)
ER

Peloton25

01-15-2012, 05:57 PM

Another old photo of XP5:

http://db3.stb.s-msn.com/i/99/B2BDDD6626B17D0152389CD472F59.jpg

Who else here recognizes the man on the wing? :cool:

>8^)
ER

teflon

01-16-2012, 12:24 PM

Another old photo of XP5:

...Who else here recognizes the man on the wing? :cool:

>8^)
ER

That sure looks like The Professor.

Greg A

Sauc3

01-16-2012, 09:58 PM

That sure looks like The Professor.

Greg A

The resemblance is uncanny!

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/quiz/43700_1217861739459_500_375.jpg

cabrio92

01-18-2012, 11:20 AM

Yeah very nice pic !

So, it's time to ask again this question : Is there a pic with Ayrton Senna and a F1 together ?

Phil

PS : for the story, do you remember Suzuka with Prost/Senna contact ? This car is at McLaren Paris :lol:

carvad

01-27-2012, 02:14 AM

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6043/6292587255_5fc66dd094_b.jpg

It's new image for me but probably well known for F1 enthusiasts. Where it was taken?

hurstg01

03-05-2012, 11:41 AM

Peloton25

03-05-2012, 12:50 PM

Wow - XP2 pre-paint. That's amazing! :cool:

>8^)
ER

cabrio92

03-05-2012, 02:58 PM

I love that ! Thank you Greg and parkstreetparrot

webslinger283

03-05-2012, 07:41 PM

mactotas

03-06-2012, 03:06 PM

Simply extraordinary pictures thanks for this. The xp2 look amazing, I never see pictures this car. Only the crash test.

svxit

03-07-2012, 01:28 AM

Does anyone know why/when they switched the back engine cover from what you see on XP2 and XP3 to what was for sale to the public. My intuition tells me the probably switched it to the production version to aid in the cooling of the engine bay during high temp testing. Either way I am glad they made the switch I prefer the rear engine cover on the production car to this, but it is interesting to see the design evolution!

Yes, and also interesting to see that there are two different engine covers on XP2 in these pictures. That, combined with the single-pane side windows, differing taillight and front indicators and occasional odd-fitting body panels make for neat details!

mactotas

05-23-2012, 02:42 PM

Hi, friends. one question for Peloton 25, you can tell me if the pictures of the Mclaren XP4 , for the Sport Auto Magazine, there are of september 1995 date magazine?
I buy in Ebay one Magazine of this date, and I hope that this pictures are inside.
Thanks a lot.
Saludos from Mexico.

Peloton25

05-23-2012, 07:34 PM

I don't believe I have that magazine so I can't offer an answer. Unless they are old photos from the development days I would not expect to see pictures of XP4 in such a recent magazine.

When you receive it perhaps you can snap some pictures or make scans?

>8^)
ER

mactotas

05-23-2012, 07:55 PM

Ok, my friend thanks a lot. Only one aclaration, the magazine is 1995 September I post the cover, for you can see.
Saludos

Peloton25

05-23-2012, 08:46 PM

Ahh - I do know that one. I believe scans of that article are kicking around here somewhere - for some reason I thought your earlier post said the magazine was from 2005. I've had a busy week and my brain wasn't working.

'K4 MCL' is actually chassis #003. During the development phase XP4 wore reg plate 'K6 MCL' and of course XP5 wore 'K8 MCL' and still does.

These pics of #003 were likely taken just before it was sold to Japan.

>8^)
ER

carvad

07-14-2012, 08:04 AM

XP1, Ron Dennis behind the wheel and Gordon Murray at the right passenger seat. Does anybody know what year and place this photo was taken?

http://img850.imageshack.us/img850/8700/autowprumclarenf116.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/850/autowprumclarenf116.jpg/)

LMMike

07-14-2012, 10:27 AM

If my memory serves me right, I believe it was Silverstone. I believe it was Feb, but I'm not sure what year it was; I would have to guess 1991. If I'm wrong hopefully someone will correct me on the year, I'd like to know.

Peloton25

07-14-2012, 10:43 AM

XP1 finished build on December 23rd, 1992 so the year of the photo would have been 1993.

Page 153 of "Driving Ambition" says:

On January 4th, 1993, first testing began at Silverstone - another occasion seared into McLaren Cars' mythology as 'Directors' Day'.

Most likely that photo comes from this session.

>8^)
ER

carvad

08-07-2012, 03:14 PM

Any new images for F1 lovers?

http://forum.hardware.fr/hfr/Discussions/Auto-Moto/belles-voitures-sujet_24818_6822.htm

carvad

08-07-2012, 03:16 PM

Hope it's not repost.
Wellknown images from Autocar test of the XP5. Now in mid-res (1600x1060)

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motoring/mclaren-f1-20-years

hurstg01

08-07-2012, 03:18 PM

re post #98 - There are some great shots in there, always worth a re-visit and I've never seen them all together like in that setting before :)

Peloton25

08-07-2012, 03:45 PM

re post #98 - There are some great shots in there, always worth a re-visit and I've never seen them all together like in that setting before :)

Those are copies of many of the posts I have made over the years in TheCarLounge. Some attribution might have been nice but I don't mind that more people are benefiting from the content. :)

>8^)
ER

cabrio92

10-11-2012, 07:45 AM

David from Portugal sent me another "new picture for me"

http://img205.imagevenue.com/loc215/th_957403567_458515_503793732964450_1432642270_o_1 22_215lo.jpg (http://img205.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=957403567_458515_503793732964450_143 2642270_o_122_215lo.jpg)

My first thought was McLaren put this regular plate on the car for any road test ??

Phil

cabrio92

10-18-2012, 09:06 AM

I would like to know you thoughts about this pic.

Peloton25

10-18-2012, 10:59 AM

What sort of thoughts should we have?

>8^)
ER

cabrio92

10-18-2012, 12:46 PM

Is it a true photo ?
when XP5 was black and driven in Portugal ?

Peloton25

10-18-2012, 01:10 PM

It appears to be a true photo - XP5 traveled the world in the beginning and Portugal may have been a stop.

As for the color, it is once again playing tricks. Look at the corner of the car near the turn signal where light is hitting it. The paint is clearly green as it has always been.

>8^)
ER

carbuilder2002

10-18-2012, 06:31 PM

I believe it has been stated before but no harm repeating it, Green especially Dark Green is a notoriously misleading colour when photographed as it is very easily contaminated depending on the lighting conditions and can look anything from a light sky blue to ideed black. It reflects the surrounding colours very easily and this is often the colour that is picked up during Photograpy and not the actual paint colour. My first headaches with this were when replicating racing Jaguars of the 50's and 60's, had many arguments over the actual colour despite using the colour codes from Jaguar themselves.

cabrio92

10-20-2012, 02:24 AM

Thanks for your observations :) I didn't see it green !

Peloton25

01-12-2013, 04:23 AM

I'm thrilled with this - McLaren Automotive have shared some new photos from December 23rd, 1992 of XP1 rolling out of the Genesis factory at the end of the 'Lost Weekend' - tremendously cool of them to share these!!!!!! :runaround:

http://i50.tinypic.com/ehdycp.jpg (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151172788061717.446313.371554081716&type=3)

This one above is so very special - click on it to see the rest. :)

Huge thanks to any and all at McLaren who helped to put this together! :cool:

>8^)
ER

Sami Aaltonen

01-12-2013, 12:44 PM

Thanks, no mirrows seen..... Clinic model had the mirrows up in the door, this one hasn't....

Peloton25

01-12-2013, 03:40 PM

XP1 had no mirrors the day it rolled out of the factory, but the Citroen versions were added prior to the first test at Silverstone, which occurred on January 4th, 1993.

None of the early cars had the high mirrors like the Clinic Model because McLaren had already discovered the were not going to be SVA compliant.

>8^)
ER

cabrio92

01-12-2013, 03:54 PM

I believe we have to thank you Erik also. I have the feeling McLaren published that by your effort ;)

Peloton25

01-12-2013, 04:13 PM

I think there are some people within McLaren who are just as interested in this content who we have to thank. :)

I did make mention of the 'Lost Weekend' in my comments when they posted the set of F1 styling model photos (
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151143540301717.442419.371554081716&type=3) on the December 23rd anniversary date, but I think it was always their intention to talk about it too.

>8^)
ER

hurstg01

01-12-2013, 04:15 PM

WaZzZuPpP

02-05-2013, 03:28 AM

XP4 at the Coys Historic Festival 1993:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/antsphoto/sets/72157624863839683/detail/?page=16

hurstg01

05-15-2013, 01:31 PM

Mclaren have added some more photo's from the Lost Weekend (https://www.facebook.com/lists/10151563940449535) [MSO must have been doing some tidying up in the storage room ;)]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/972267_10151372960311717_722264712_n_zpscac7a20d.j pg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hurstg01/media/972267_10151372960311717_722264712_n_zpscac7a20d.j pg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/941273_10151372960331717_395826097_n_zps85f4c986.j pg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hurstg01/media/941273_10151372960331717_395826097_n_zps85f4c986.j pg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/181410_10151372960456717_1324582543_n_zps185900f1. jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hurstg01/media/181410_10151372960456717_1324582543_n_zps185900f1. jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/944213_10151372960446717_428642171_n_zpsd146fb2b.j pg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hurstg01/media/944213_10151372960446717_428642171_n_zpsd146fb2b.j pg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/923185_10151372960401717_1440998410_n_zps633340f0. jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hurstg01/media/923185_10151372960401717_1440998410_n_zps633340f0. jpg.html)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/601876_10151372960521717_1240533818_n_zps79344add. jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/hurstg01/media/601876_10151372960521717_1240533818_n_zps79344add. jpg.html)

carbuilder2002

05-15-2013, 01:36 PM

Loving the lightweight engine cover stay. More seriously there are quite a lot of differences from the production version normal for a prototype).

hurstg01

05-15-2013, 01:38 PM

I wonder what would have grated GM more - the 'cane' or the bracket-on-a-bracket?

:tongue:

carbuilder2002

05-15-2013, 02:56 PM

At least the broom handle could be left in the garage, thus reducing the weight.
Think he missed a trick here he could have made the umbrella double up as engine cover prop.

hurstg01

05-15-2013, 02:58 PM

Think he missed a trick here he could have made the umbrella double up as engine cover prop.
Or an early variant of the BBF :)

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