Honda haters?

Why do people hate hondas/honda owners so much ? I drive one and i still dont see why people always try to rag on us in diffrnt msg boards. Around my city ,honda owners are praised , so i dont know what the deal is .

B/C EVERYONE AND THEIR MOMMA SEEM TO DRIVE A HONDA AND THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO CUSTOMIZE THEIR RIDE PUT ON AN ILLUSION THAT THEY'RE FASTER THAN EVERONE ELSE B/C THEY HAVE AN A/M EXHAUST

MY OPNION....B/C THOSE THAT DO MODIFY THEIR CAR THE "RIGHT WAY" PUT OUT HUGE GAINS IN THEIR 4 CYLINDER WHILE OTHERS IN THEIR V6-8 BRAG ABOUT PUTTING OUT HIGHER GAINS...ALSO...MORE HOT SPOTS AND HANGOUTS WITH HONDA OR "IMPORT" OWNERS

Yeh i know what you're sayin. Theres quite a few Nissan owners that dis on honda along with VW. Me i'm gonna be a soon to be owner of a pulsar. I just love any cars man!:)

WHY POSTING THIS IN THE 240SX FORUM :confused:

Who me?

NO...CHRIS26969..:frog:

because most (NOTE: I SAID MOST, NOT ALL) Honda owners make the worst modifications to their cars, such as Altezza lights and other ugly ass shit, and then claim that they're the fastest thing on the road and can take all challengers. i'll admit, there are some hardcore guys out there that own Honda's that are truly fast (such as Spoon Honda's), but the majority of the ones you hear about today are ugly-ass show cars with huge, heavy, ugly body kits, heavy ugly chrome wheels, neon kits, altezza's, aluminum wings and nothing done to the engine.

Originally posted by chris26969
Around my city ,honda owners are praised , so i dont know what the deal is .

so that means you must live in imaginaryland...or wisconsin

dont think so kid . Civic owners are the cream of the crop around here . Rims , body kits , altezzas , lookin pretty nice , engine swaps , turbos etc . If you hate a nice looking car and speed then thats your problem.

Originally posted by TheLogikal1


or wisconsin

LMAO!! Man i hear ya on that one!:)

Originally posted by S13_Iketani
because most (NOTE: I SAID MOST, NOT ALL) Honda owners make the worst modifications to their cars, such as Altezza lights and other ugly ass shit, and then claim that they're the fastest thing on the road and can take all challengers. i'll admit, there are some hardcore guys out there that own Honda's that are truly fast (such as Spoon Honda's), but the majority of the ones you hear about today are ugly-ass show cars with huge, heavy, ugly body kits, heavy ugly chrome wheels, neon kits, altezza's, aluminum wings and nothing done to the engine.

I agree with you but theres also nissan owners be doin the same shit.

waste of a thread?

this is gonna become a flame war and a 1/2...

who cares?

we all know why people hate on certain cars of certain makes, not just hondas...

there's ricy everything. end of story.

i've seen some ugly (and slow) 240sx's as well, so it's not all honda...

and it's not just honda and nissan... rice has no OEM manufacturer... it's an aftermarket universal product.

get over it.

Chris, its not that we dislike honda owners, its the fact that everywhere you go you see that same annoying honda look that everybody is copping. There is no room for innovation when dealing with hondas because ideas are being stolen as soon as you think of them. Signal auto just recently put a NSX engine in a ek hatch! Now thats innovation!Instead of following trends,you should set them.





PEACE!

Originally posted by silviarb26
Chris, its not that we dislike honda owners, its the fact that everywhere you go you see that same annoying honda look that everybody is copping. There is no room for innovation when dealing with hondas because ideas are being stolen as soon as you think of them. Signal auto just recently put a NSX engine in a ek hatch! Now thats innovation!Instead of following trends,you should set them.





PEACE!

then again, theres us, "sr20this, sr20 that"

*except you. and your rb26....


*drools* rb26.........

I have respect for any fast car, domestics included. The reason why I think most people hate on honda's is because thats what most 16 year old kids end up getting as their first car because it's "the cool thing to do" and since their part-time jobs can only allow them to afford things such as body kits, wings, and crap that doesnt help your car in any way. I know that wings and body kits can be functional, BUT how many 16 year old kids do you see driving around with mugen body kits that have a function. I have friends that drive honda's and I love their cars. There's a local guy who dynoed 500 hp and 350 lb-ft of torque on his turbocharged SI about 3 months ago. The reason why people hate on honda's is because the majority of them driving around with their body kits and 5 inch tips from walmart, well.... suck. I've seen an S13 fastback in my area driving around with red window tint, ugly graphics on the side, and a huge wing, while his motor is stock. I put this guy down with all the honda ricers. Just because he's driving a ricey nissan doesnt mean that I like his car any better than the ricey hondas. That's my opinion at least

What if thats all we can afford . Us teenagers still in highschool can /want to only put so much money into our cars . I mean my car is only useful for a little bit more , then i gotta sell it cuz im going to college . Ya know? From what your saying your ragging on kids because they dont have enough money...come on man .

no he's not. he's ragging on kids that buy a honda because everyone else bought a Honda. a used S13 240SX costs WAY less then the average used Civic, so if you have enough money for a Civic, then you have more then enough money for a 240SX, so don't even try to bring the money aspect into this. and besides, if you only had enough money to do certain mods, why not pool the money together that you would spend on crappy mods (wing, body kit, graphics, altezza's) and buy something useful that would actually do something for the performance of the car.

As a civic owner . I did not buy a civic because it was "cool" i bought one because the other cars i wanted were no were to be found in my state . Ex , 240sx,dodge stealth,mustang . Cars where i live are pretty hard to find , to get a decent deal you got to drive 75 miles west .So a civic was the next best thing , reliability and a decent body shape .

Originally posted by chris26969
What if thats all we can afford . Us teenagers still in highschool can /want to only put so much money into our cars . I mean my car is only useful for a little bit more , then i gotta sell it cuz im going to college . Ya know? From what your saying your ragging on kids because they dont have enough money...come on man .

yeah I meant it like S13_Iketani said. they buy a honda because their friend bought a honda. believe it or not, my first car was actually a 91 civic dx sedan :o I hated the thing with a passion but it's all I could afford at the time. I didnt put any money into that and I just drove it to work everyday and then saved all my money from work so that I could one day get rid of the civic and get a better car. Oh yeah, and I'm still a teenager in high school as well

i eat rice for lunch and dinner everyday!!!:devil: that is because i'm chinese, but oh wait wrong topic. anyways, i don't disrespect hondas. i like all cars. and you know what i hate worse then honda ricers? nissan ricers, there are plenty of those in nyc.

you know what i hate worse then honda ricers? nissan ricers, there are plenty of those in nyc.

that is so tru, lately i 've also seen alot of nissian ricers in nyc n it pisses me off!!!

people like them is going to give nissian a bad name!!

Originally posted by TatII
and you know what i hate worse then honda ricers? nissan ricers

You wanna know why they are worse? Cuz as Nissan owners...we expect better from our ppl. I dont hate all Honda's...just stupid ones...it takes alot for me to respect a FWD Honda...but I drove my mom's '03 CL Type S (6 spd manual) and it was alot of fun...260HP; LSD; 230TQ and 0-60 in 5.9 seconds

So I mean ya...sure you can make your lil DX fast by swapping motors and stripping out your interior and slapping turbo or NoS on your car...but anyway you slice it...you are still FWD and to me...it's no the true form of a sports car...

Sure there are nice handling FWD cars...namely the ITR...but it's quite sad when the ITR is probably the best handling car and it only has 195HP and really there is none higher

Honda has some other decent cars like the NSX and S2k...and they are RWD...I think that was a good move...

But think of all the sucky cars (dont say you cant swap motors into them too) Honda cars make...namely the new Si...bleech

Nissan...oh yea...we make the 240SX, Silvia, Sileighty, 180SX, 300ZX, 240Z, 260Z, Skyline GTR, Skyline GT-S, Bluebird (SR20DET; AWD) and Pulsar GTi-R (SR20DET; AWD)

Wow...

THE JDM ITR PUTS OUT 210HP....SO IN ORDER TO BE A SPORTS CAR...A REAL SPORTS CAR YOU HAVE TO HAVE RWD :confused: SINCE WHEN HAS THAT BECOME A STANDARD :confused:

MY 1ST CAR WAS A 93 NISSAN NX2000 WHICH WAS NAMED ONE OF THE BEST HANDLING CAR BY CAR AND DRIVER...WHICH CONSEQUENTLY IS FWD AND DESIGNED TO BE A SPORTS CAR...DOES THIS MEAN ITS NOT CONSIDERED A SPORTS CAR CAUSE IT'S NOT RWD

Originally posted by NISSANSPDR


you are still FWD and to me...it's no the true form of a sports car...





WHAT??!!?? Ok what do u call the new 350z? family sedan? That is not true what you're saying. Sport cars come in fwd,awd and rwd! Get it str8 man.

FWD cars can be "sporty", but I wont consider them "sports cars".

1 - FWD is bad for acceleration. Under acceleration, weight is transferred to the rear, thereby lightening the weight on the front wheels and reducing traction.

2 - FWD is badly balanced. 60% or more of the cars weight is up front, which causes understeer.

Of course, I wouldnt call MY car a sports car because it has no grip and its slow. :toothless

I KNOW WE'RE GOING O/T....BUT HERE'S A QUESTION....


SINCE YOU ALL SAY FWD CARS CAN'T BE CONSIDERED A SPORTS CAR.....THEN WHAT IS CONSIDERED A SPORTS CAR??.....WHAT MAKES A SPORTS CAR A SPORTS CAR??

I THINK IT'S JUST.....STUPID TO SAY A FWD ISN'T OR CAN'T BE A "SPORTS CAR".....

In my opinion a sports car is defined by , looks , handling ,and one of good acceleration......whether it be fwd,or rwd. thats just my 2cents.

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
WHAT MAKES A SPORTS CAR A SPORTS CAR??


ok, i might get flamed by my fellow nissan owners here...but my opinion of a "true" sports car is power, RWD, non-converatble and a 2-seater

example: mazda rx-7

^^I agree, except for the 2 seater part :mad:

RWD, good weight balance, independent suspension, +.8gs on skidpad, and no more than 15 seconds in the 1/4 ;)

The 4DSC. The almighty Maxima. Especially the 4th Gen. Great styling. Incredible engine. Eats Honduh's for breakfast.

Originally posted by 3.0L_Playa
The 4DSC. The almighty Maxima. Especially the 4th Gen. Great styling. Incredible engine. Eats Honduh's for breakfast.

dude, idont mean to hate, but youre wacko.

maxima? sports car? almighty?

maybe luxury/sports car, but not a "true" sports car, and im sure most poeple on this thread will agree


ps. i do not think any sports car should have 4 doors

errr so what do you call the mitsubishi evolution series? what about the sabaru wrx sti's? those things are super car slayers, and guess what? they come in four doors. its freakin awesome. i can go out kill most cars i see on the road, with the kids in the backseat and on my way to buy goceries. you just can't beat that man~!:smoka:

Originally posted by TatII
errr so what do you call the mitsubishi evolution series? what about the sabaru wrx sti's? those things are super car slayers, and guess what? they come in four doors. its freakin awesome. i can go out kill most cars i see on the road, with the kids in the backseat and on my way to buy goceries. you just can't beat that man~!:smoka:

just cause its fast, doesnt make it a sports car.

dont get me wrong tat, im not trying to contradict you, im just saying, i consider the WRX and STI sport sedans. rmore rally bred cars than a sports car is supossed to.

yes they can kill my car and many other cars on the road, but so can this new cadilac SUV that i saw at the chicago autoshow. does that make it a sports car?

hahah i don't care if its a sport car or not i'll like it as long as its fast:cool:

All I need to know is where you live so I never go there. Yes there is a respectable aspect to a car...and I mean any car... when it is hooked up right! Regardless, 99.9% of Honda owners do DUMB shit to their cars and pretend like they are cool. NO HONDA is Cooler than a good ol' DOMESTIC BEAST!!! I have a Spec V, I realize that my car is an import, but I know and respect the true great cars of OUR NATION... The GTO, Corvette, Chevelle, Saleen! These are what I refer to as IMPORT EATERS.

Originally posted by TatII
errr so what do you call the mitsubishi evolution series? what about the sabaru wrx sti's? those things are super car slayers, and guess what? they come in four doors. its freakin awesome. i can go out kill most cars i see on the road, with the kids in the backseat and on my way to buy goceries. you just can't beat that man~!:smoka:

:grinyes: :iagree:

If you got a clean ride with no altezzas, big ass aluminum thing on the back, auto in your car, then I like your Honda:biggrin2:

To reiterate the point that several of you have made here...

I don't like the 'ricers' I see running around my area. There are thousands of them, and each one is worse than the last. Standard features include: 5-inch fart pipe, 100-pound park bench wing (on a FWD car, no less), 'euro' tail lights, 18-in alloys and a 2-in drop. Worse are the ridiculous 'grafix' idiots plaster all over these monstrosities, citing the 'turbo' power or 'racing' gear they have. I regularly dust these people in the 6-cyl Taurus I unfortunately own.

HOWEVER, there is a guy who lives in my apartment complex who owns an '01 Civic Si that is a pristine example of what to do with an import street racer. This car is entirely black, 5-spoke redline rims included, and dropped really low. That's it. Aside from the fat exhaust tip, I barely recognize it as a Civic. To boot, he regularly has numbers markered on his windows on Monday mornings, detailing what he actually does with this car on the weekends.

That's what I'd do if I owned a Honda, Nissan, etc. Anything else (other than stock) is bullshit.

OK- saying that all Honda owners do dumb stuff to thier car is just bullshit not true- my mum kept her '01 Civic VTiS 5 door hatch completely stock until last month when she traded it for a Skoda Octavia

Not all Honda owners are dumb little kids- Hondas are reliable economical motors- the Civic Si/Type R is a Sportshatch- all other Civics are economy cars- simple as that. The Prelude and Integras I do define as Sports cars- the Inegra 4 doors are Sports Sedans- but either way they both look very nice indeed. Integras are very capable machines- reflected by Ronnie Lim of NZ- pulling 9.89 second 1/4's in his FWD Turbo'd B18C- and it proves more reliable than the 8.6 second Skylines! Well from what I've seen anyway.

Anyway I do respect Honda- but as an awesome chassis designer, an innovator and an A-to-B car maker


:bigthumb:

You're right, and any car can be fast. I once saw a jet engine-equipped semi do 300mph.

Bottom line, Civics and Integras are a lot of fun to drive. They handle well, are suprisingly quick, and are very economical. When you put a 14psi turbo and a shot of nitrous under the hood they can run very short quarters. Their being small and lightweight greatly assists the 4-cyl motor in pulling that off, and those qualities have always been greatly sought after by drag racers (most notably with Darts in the 60's and 70's).

However, most of the "tricked out" Hondas I see nowadays look like shit, and I'm only criticising those particular owners who have absolutely no grasp on aesthetics. I've seen plenty of Mustangs that look terrible, too. Bad taste is not a genre-specific affliction; it just so happens that a lot of younger Honda owners seem to be retarted, and have given the masses a bad name.

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
THE JDM ITR PUTS OUT 210HP....SO IN ORDER TO BE A SPORTS CAR...A REAL SPORTS CAR YOU HAVE TO HAVE RWD :confused: SINCE WHEN HAS THAT BECOME A STANDARD :confused:

I agree here too. Apparently some people are so uncultured in the automotive world that they have never seen a SAAB Sonett, or a DKW Monza - both of which are more of sportscars than anything being produced today regaurdless of whether or not the rear wheels are powered.

Originally posted by 3.0L_Playa
The 4DSC. The almighty Maxima. Especially the 4th Gen. Great styling. Incredible engine. Eats Honduh's for breakfast.

ditto....just see my avatar

I don't hate Hondas/Honda owners. I don't like idiot ricers, regardless of what car they drive.

Originally posted by Polygon
I don't hate Hondas/Honda owners. I don't like idiot ricers, regardless of what car they drive.


So fucking true!!!!! :sunglasse

Well I dont know where you live, but around here only the highschool drop outs and dirty minorities (no offense but its mostly true) drive "pimped out Honda civics" Now dont get me wrong, I think that Hondas and Ford Focus and Cavaliers are fine cars for just driving from point A to point B but its just sad and pathetic when people do stuff to them. They look retarded, most of the owners are drugged losers anyway, and they're a threat on the roads. Every summer when the car show comes to town, who causes the accidents, those dumb ricers and neons and ****. Thank God none of my friends drive Hondas, I would be embarrased to ride in one of those. I'm a fan of sport cars (Porsches, Ferraris, etc.) and muscle cars (Mustangs, Camaros, etc.) And the funny thing is most rice racers think they can take those cars.... they must be on crack, but its always fun to win the races when your out w/ the friends, b/c then you have more stories to share about those dumb Honda lovers...........................

And in my area, those kids who drive souped up whatever, are a drain on the local economy, they commit insurance fraud by slicing there own interiors to get insurance money for a new interior, then its the normal people who have to pay higher rates for thier insurance..............and another thing most of them purchased their own cars, and I respect that, however they began to purchase all these upgrades for it when they can't afford it............how dumb do they get, and now I'm starting to see Saturns pimped out, that crosses the line, in no way shape or form should Saturns ever have upgrades...................but in conclusion, I don't hate everyone who drives a Honda, but I hope you can understand my reasoning behind why I do hate most of them........... and all of you who like muscle cars and sports cars, like myself, you are part of a dying bread, soon all Hondas w/ their wings made out of erector set will inherit the Earth

Something I want to bring to peoples attention about honda and why a lot of people hate honda owners is...1. the afore mentioned ricers eg. gay body kits, huge ugly pointless wings, huge ugly pointless exhausts. retarded looking grafix etc. 2. btw I am using the 4th gen f-body as comparison. Everytime me and my buddy waste some "tricked out" honda in his 98 trans am they almost always say well lets go to the roadcourse and see who wins...well guess what, their still gonna loose there too...3. gas mileage, yes they are very economical, but if you can manage to keep your foot out of it, it is not rare to see ls1/6spds getting 30+ mpg...

I respect just about anything that is fast, but what gets on my nerves is the sheer stupidity and ignorance of most honda owners. They think they know what their talking about but the longer they talk, the more and more foolish they make themselves sound.

If you are part of the .2% of honda owners that actually care about performance and going fast, not looking "pimp" and acting like you know everything then I respect you...But for the other 99.8% you are a disgrace to auto. community.

1 more thing and I promise Im done, but one things that truely pissed me off and I see it almost every day is seeing stupid riced out hondas weaving in and out of traffic doing double the speed limit. I dont care if you own a lambo or ferrari, that is just plain stupid!

Originally posted by carkulture
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:iagree:

It's not that people hate honda's themselves, its just that they are very common now. Alot of the honda's are now being done the same way. There is no immagination left to a honda. In a honda, they can be done the same way, body kits, undercar lights, altezza lights, u get the picture. But if u choose an out of the ordinary car, u can personalize it, so it doesent look like the rest. So its not that they are necessarily a bad car, its just that there is alot of the same car going around now.

I love fast cars as well, but for the money there are better buys than hondas, like one of my best friends he bought a 1991 or 1990 not quite sure Camaro RS V8 I thought they were always 6 cylinders however we did change spark plugs and its definately a V8, anywho he got that for 1,000 dollars, a fast car for cheap cheap cheap. And I just got a 1986 Porsche 944 turbo, holy crap is that thing fast, only cost me about 9 thousand and its a great car.............a lot of work was done has well over 300 horsepower, and I am hopefully going to purchase a stage 4 turbo system from a local tuner other people who have them get over 510 bhp, thats insane, anyways for the money you can find faster cars than hondas :-/ oh and carkulture, 98 trans am.......very nice. And you are right, Hondas are very common and they all look the same

Generally speaking, I feel that a sports car has to be:

1) RWD or AWD (i.e. Camaro, S2000, WRX)
2) Relatively fast or handles well or both (i.e. Miata, BMW 3-series)
3) Designed for performance out of the factory (i.e. Corvette, NSX)

personally, I don't mind Hondas. My aunt has a Civic Hatch and it's still running great after all the crap she put it through. what I DO hate is ricers. i think all cars should have a personal body guard to keep the "pimp parts" away and either stay stock, or get performance mods. well, that's just my 2 cents in this little flame war :biggrin:

Originally posted by numbware
personally, I don't mind Hondas. My aunt has a Civic Hatch and it's still running great after all the crap she put it through. what I DO hate is ricers. i think all cars should have a personal body guard to keep the "pimp parts" away and either stay stock, or get performance mods. well, that's just my 2 cents in this little flame war :biggrin:

Nothing wrong with putting bodykits/tims/tints/whatever on Civics- what we need to do is stop assholes who think they have a Corvette/Ferrari/whatever killer because of that.

In my opinion a sports car =

*a strong V8+ (or a well boosted v6/4cyl)
*RWD, AWD
*Solid Axle (im partial to drag racing, IRS isnt good for quarter mile times)
*2 Doors
*Runs no more than a 14.2x 1/4 time

In my opinion a sports car =

*a strong V8+ (or a well boosted v6/4cyl)
*RWD, AWD
*Solid Axle (im partial to drag racing, IRS isnt good for quarter mile times)
*2 Doors
*Runs no more than a 14.2x 1/4 time


Solid axles are bullsiht- especially for track racing- drag racing is the sport of Rednecks and Ricers- I would go by Nurburgring lap times before 1/4 mile times. Secondly if driven properly FWD is an excellent drive train for racing on tracks as well- any decent driver can minimise understeer- and you say V6- but What about Inline 6's (GTR, Supra, XR6 Turbo) These cars can outperform most V6's.

ok, i might get flamed by my fellow nissan owners here...but my opinion of a "true" sports car is power, RWD, non-converatble and a 2-seater

example: mazda rx-7

About the non-convertable part - does this mean that a convertable cobra, viper, corvette, m-3, s2000, camaro, or a 350z isnt a sports car??

Solid axles are bullsiht- especially for track racing- drag racing is the sport of Rednecks and Ricers- I would go by Nurburgring lap times before 1/4 mile times. Secondly if driven properly FWD is an excellent drive train for racing on tracks as well- any decent driver can minimise understeer- and you say V6- but What about Inline 6's (GTR, Supra, XR6 Turbo) These cars can outperform most V6's.

Drag racing is the sport of high horspower machines that strive to accelerate the fastest. What is redneck about that? I understand if you drive a car that has a 15 sec 1/4 time, you will probably make excuses for yourself. Im sorry Ricers are not drag cars, dont get me wrong one can be made a dragster but its not a very good platform to drag with. When somebody sais "that car is fast" they are not usually talking about skidpad #s. I dunno about you but there is nothing like driving a high performance beast that can accelerate AND handle, so dont hate.

FWD is not a sports car im sorry, anything "can be made" to do things well, but RWD, AWD are much better platforms.

FWD is not a sports car im sorry, anything "can be made" to do things well, but RWD, AWD are much better platforms.

Yeah RWD and AWD are far better for drag racing, but FWD can be made into just as good of a road racing car as RWD and AWD and FWD are far better for drifting.

I don't hate Honda, I hate the owners who think they have the most reliable cars out there. Sorry but Toyotas can take more abuse than Hondas, Toyota has the most reliable cars in the world, they have the most reliable trucks in the world, toyota has better large SUVs, honda and toyota both have great small SUVs (RAV4 and CR-V), at the moment the only thing I think Honda has that is better than Toyota is the Odyssey.

AWD and FWD are far better for drifting.





uh.....no.....

FWD is not a sports car im sorry, anything "can be made" to do things well, but RWD, AWD are much better platforms.

I'm sorry, but you don't know what a sports car is. FWD has been kicking RWD's ass since it became popular for production automobiles. Most notably you might remember that Citroen's front drivers enjoyed a winning streak in the monte-carlo rally, followed by a winning streak of SAAB 96 sedans, followed by a winning streak of BMC Minis. These cars beat more powerful RWD cars - and outside of the Monte Carlo, FWD kicked ass in all sorts of events.
There's a common and somewhat unfounded belief that RWD is somehow supperior to FWD when it comes to motorsports - and it's just that - an unfounded belief. It has simply sprang up because old-fashioned companies didn't want to tinker with FWD sports cars, and continued doing it the old fashioned way, with a motor up front and the driving wheels in back(even Panhard, the first company to make cars with this layout, way back in the 1890s switched to FWD - and that should tell you something). Just because there's a larger number of "true" sports cars that are RWD, doesn't mean that there is no such thing as a FWD sports car. DKW's Monza, SAAB's Sonnet, Panhard's 24(Tigre) were all early FWD sports cars - real sports cars. DKW went on to become Audi under VW's control, and we both know how impressive Audi's and SAAB's cars have been in various events.