Quiz time....with rewards.

To test the ultimate knowledge of all the F1 fans hear on the forum, I shall post a quiz question every weekend towards december. When and if he wishes to repeat his yuletide quiz, Mr Bridger can take over.:wink:

After last weekends quiz picture, which Greg answered really quickly.:screwy: (F1 superfan)

There will be an F1 related prize for the first person to answer the question correctly. As Greg can testify, the prize was of great interest.

This time I have thought of a really hard question.

In the two pictures below (taken by Erik inside the cockpit of #068) are the two banks of control knobs and push button switches, positioned either side of the steering wheel.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/9558/06833nu2.th.png (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=06833nu2.png) http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/4901/06834iv5.th.png (http://img240.imageshack.us/my.php?image=06834iv5.png)(clickable)

This is question 2:- Which company made the hazard warning and rear fog light push button switches and in which OEM vehicle were they used in.

As Greg can testify, the prize was of great interest.
;) :thumbsup: It was very interesting.

PS - My DA is in my son's room, and he is fast asleep :runaround: so if the answer resides in DA I won't be as fast at answering like I was last time.

WOW! 50 viewings and no guesses - I guess this one was a bit too tough

Seeing as they used BMW stalks, I guess the buttons you list must be off a Euro car, possibly BMW or something British?

They look very similar to ford to me, am sure I have seen seen them in an old Orion? But they are probably not.

They look very similar to ford to me, am sure I have seen seen them in an old Orion? But they are probably not.

No :nono:

The Escort/Orion hazard switch was column mounted and a different shape.

Try again.

General Motors Vauxhall Carlton, am sure it is the same as in one of my past works hacks.

Looks kind of Roverish?

i believe the buttons are from a VW

Sorry guys, but no :nono: to the above three answers.

This question is a tricky one!! :p

Is it off a car, or another mode of transport? as the rear lights are off a coach.......

Is it a trick question? Are they bespoke McLaren and would the OEM vehicle you speak of be the F1?

Just trying my luck here. :p

Yes OEM car mnfr.

Half the question is easy, Carbuilder was on the right track with his second answer. The other half is the tricky part.

There will be alot of :banghead: when you know the answer.

Are they same switch?

I know which the Hazard is from but until I know if I should be looking for something else I wont answer ;)

Are they same switch?

I know which the Hazard is from but until I know if I should be looking for something else I wont answer ;)

Answer the first part via PM,

If you are correct..... the second part, should not be too difficult.

I reckon, you are really close. :)

Well the wing mirror switch is vectra so am going for vectra / omega

Well the wing mirror switch is vectra so am going for vectra / omega

No :nono:

No :nono:
no :nono:
No :nono:
It's like being told off by the Headmaster :rofl: or Anne Robinson :lol: :lol: (<- Sorry, couldn't think of a stern male quiz master :))

So is the maker of the part is also the maker of car?

It's like being told off by the Headmaster :rofl: or Anne Robinson :lol: :lol: (<- Sorry, couldn't think of a stern male quiz master :))

More Magnus Magnusson!!

So is the maker of the part is also the maker of car?

Are you asking me the questions now!!:lol: ...Come on, its easy.(well it is, when you have the answers in front of you :devilsign: )

You have PM :)

Sorry Guys you loose ;)


Its a Mk2 Astra Hazard light switch.

http://i9.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/b4/62/46_1_b.JPG

(The joys of ebay :) )

However, as you're probably aware the Rear Fog light switch on the Astra is nothing like the one on the F1.

But if you were to change the picture on the front of the switch it could possibly be used to turn on a rear fog.



Le Man has told me thats correct. Yes I was sad enough to put "Vauxhall Hazard switch" into eBay :( :D

^^ Congrats!! :)

Well done rr_ww.

Many thanks for your reply on receiving your prize, :wink:

No one else use Ebay? :shakehead

Next question, coming this weekend!!

After last weeks question having most of you stumpted (cricket term) Here is another F1 component question :evillol: .

Question three.

On the page below, from Car magazine. There is an error :screwy:.

Find the error and correct as necessary.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7739/pa060128ew9.th.jpg (http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa060128ew9.jpg)(clickable)

The "throttle cable shroud" is actually not that at all. What they have pictured is the steering column. Gordon holds it up in the very beginning of the second segment of "The Car's the Star" talking about the tremendously low weight of that and the steering shaft combined.

The two smaller pieces in the photo are the covers for the two stalks behind the steering wheel for lights and wipers that mount to the end of the column.

Here's pics of the smaller pieces courtest of Mr Hurst:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/DSCN2153s.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/DSCN2154s.jpg

>8^)
ER

It took me quite a while to find any decent reference shots of the steering column. For the next person who gets their hands on an F1 with open access for photos, the entire area around and under the steering wheel is really lacking in photographic content. People take pics of the steering wheel itself all the time, but the other stuff seems to get overlooked, including by me.

Here was the best I could come up with. The first shot was courtesy of drewwtms from SEMA last year. :cool:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_107618270-E.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/107618270-E.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/th_DSC03217_edit.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/DSC03217_edit.jpg)

Here's a wider shot showing the steering column and the throttle cable shroud together.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20E/DSC03237_edit.jpg

>8^)
ER

^^ :worshippy

Well done Erik,

Very well documented answer. But as you are the moderator of this forum and a dedicated F1 historian. You are disqualified from this competition :lol: :lol: :evillol:

So I guess you feel a bit :disappoin







Only joking, your prize is on its way :wink:

how bout out of a lotus carlton?

how bout out of a lotus carlton?

Question 2 has been answered. But if the lotus carlton is the same, post a pic!!

Question 2 has been answered. But if the lotus carlton is the same, post a pic!!

o i dont know if the lotus is the same...i just guessed. but if it's been answered i'm not gonna bother putting up a pic of it...nor doing all the research to try and find a pic of it.

I have a poor quality photo of the Lotus Carlton's interior - it appears the hazard switch is square and housed in a row of similarly sized switches in the upper center area of the dash.

Here's that picture:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/General%20Web%20Photos/pic05pb.jpg

And another cool shot of the gauges. :naughty:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/General%20Web%20Photos/0119d_3.jpg

>8^)
ER

not impossible...the esprits is square now that i think about my uncles esprit

it should b sitting in the center of the consol...it it's the same placement as my uncles. i liked the carltons...378hp not bad for early 90's v8(when u consider that ferrari built the engine and they had only around 300hp coming out of the 348)

This weeks quiz question will test your automotive knowledge to the max.:evillol:

The car in the pic below has a connection with the McLaren F1.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8052/pa130130ce9.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa130130ce9.jpg)(clickable)

Question:- Explain the connection and tell me what the car is?

i know it...i've seen many pics. it just cant come up with the f'n name. this is gonna piss me off. i'll know it the minute someone says it.

The car is a Clan Crusader.

Sorry - could'nt resist - specialist subject McLaren F1!

I'll leave the other half of your question to someone else.

Good luck everyone!

It doesn't look like a Clan Crusader -
http://img184.imagevenue.com/loc169/th_61944_Clan_Crusader_122_169lo.jpg (http://img184.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61944_Clan_Crusader_122_169lo.jpg)
v
http://img190.imagevenue.com/loc470/th_61945_1111111-1_122_470lo.jpg (http://img190.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=61945_1111111-1_122_470lo.jpg)

The car is a Clan Crusader.

Sorry - could'nt resist - specialist subject McLaren F1!

I'll leave the other half of your question to someone else.

Good luck everyone!

No :nono:

If you are the real Gordon Murray?, you should have checked out someones cv first, before letting them loose on the F1. :lol:

This weeks quiz question will test your automotive knowledge to the max.:evillol:

The car in the pic below has a connection with the McLaren F1.

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8052/pa130130ce9.th.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pa130130ce9.jpg)(clickable)

Question:- Explain the connection and tell me what the car is?Is it a Midas?, if so Mr H.Dermott used to build them before moving to Mclaren, now as head of customer relations. Mr B.

Is it a Midas?, if so Mr H.Dermott used to build them before moving to Mclaren, now as head of customer relations. Mr B.

No :nono:

Good try Mr Bridger. I like the connection, but wrong car and person.

I'm trying to be resourceful; I'll let you know if I am successfull........:naughty:

It's an AC Ecosse Signature

As for the link..........Peter Stevens styled both the F1 and the AC Ecosse Signature

You know... I thought that would be the person/connection but I didn't spend nearly enough time poking around looking for it. I knew when looking at the photo that I had never seen the car before, so that didn't help.

My other comment is "Wow - Mr Stevens sure has come a long way with his talents - from THAT to the McLaren F1." :lol2:

>8^)
ER

My other comment is "Wow - Mr Stevens sure has come a long way with his talents - from THAT to the McLaren F1." >8^)
ER
That's one BIG leap, Isn't it!! :lol:

Well done Greg, (you again :p )

YES, IT WAS A BIG LEAP.

But to be fair, Peter was rather restricted to what he could do with the shape of the body. Having a lot of the hard points set and using the windscreen and side glass from the AC ME 3000, its predecessor. Still the end result was , how should we put this, ----.:uhoh:

There was also somebody else you could link to both cars!! But no, we won,t go there.:iceslolan




I,ll have to sort you out a different prize.:wink:

This weeks quiz question,

The floor of the McLaren F1,s monocoque is formed from carbonfibre skinned aluminium honeycomb. Tell me the section thickness of the floor and to stop people guessing, also publish the article or source where you found this information.

"Machine Design" October 1989 I think. No longer have the article so don't remember the thickness

It can't be 1989, as that is way before the first Mclaren F1 was built - the clinic model was shown in Monaco at the end of May 1992, although the concept was started to be discussed after the Italian GP of 1988.......

EDITED for stupidity (again) :lol:

Uh... 2001? Is this a space odyssey? :grinno:

>8^)
ER

It can't be 1989, as that is way before the first Mclaren F1 was built - the clinic model was shown in Monaco at the end of May 2001, although the concept was started to be discussed after the Italian GP of 1998.......


If memory serves me correctly, McLaren did discuss cutting CFCR (carbon fiber carbon resin) in this issue. I believe they had been working utilizing the material for several years and at one point did some work for Ferrari using CFCR. But I don't have this issue or have access to it having lost my copy long ago.

Uh... 2001? Is this a space odyssey? :grinno:

>8^)
ER

OOPSEY! I was dealing with analysing and deciphering year 2001 accounts all day today, I think I have them on the brain :banghead: :grinno: :banghead:

Maybe another quiz question should be which year McLaren unveiled the F1 Clinic Model at the Monaco Sporting Club. :uhoh:

Wikipedia has it wrong as 28 May, 1991. It was really 1992.

http://www.mclarenautomotive.com/cars/f1_15_year.htm

XP1 was completed 8 months later and #002 was finished one year after that in December 1993.

>8^)
ER

147 views and only one pop at the answer.:p (nice try Gerd)

The answer is in the public domain, you just have to find it.:evillol:

Even Mr Bridger could answer this one, although he has an unfair advantage.:lol:

Sorry Guys you loose ;)

Its a Mk2 Astra Hazard light switch.

http://i9.ebayimg.com/02/i/08/b4/62/46_1_b.JPG

(The joys of ebay :) )

However, as you're probably aware the Rear Fog light switch on the Astra is nothing like the one on the F1.

But if you were to change the picture on the front of the switch it could possibly be used to turn on a rear fog.

Le Man has told me thats correct. Yes I was sad enough to put "Vauxhall Hazard switch" into eBay :( :D
Sorry, you did mistake! This switcher is from model Opel/Vauxhall Kadett. I'm sure for 100%, because my father have had this model and I remember this switcher. Example:

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23364291bia5.jpg

I can't find better photo.

The Astra is newer model and it has other switcher:

http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opelastrag199802my1.jpg

Generally, I was surprised that parts were derived from cheap's cars :eek:


Best regards, PaulPL

Sorry, you did mistake! This switcher is from model Opel/Vauxhall Kadett. I'm sure for 100%, because my father have had this model and I remember this switcher. Example:

http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=23364291bia5.jpg

I can't find better photo.

The Astra is newer model and it has other switcher:

http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=opelastrag199802my1.jpg

Generally, I was surprised that parts were derived from cheap's cars :eek:


Best regards, PaulPL

Hi PaulPL,

Welcome to the forum,

Try a search in Wikipedia for Vauxhall astra MK2 (UK). You should find this model, the same as your fathers Kadett.

Your second pic is from a much later Astra.

Hello!

I didn't hear that in UK Vauxhall Astra is the same as Kadett :eek:.

Big thx for reply.


Best regards, PaulPL

So, nobody knows the answer to last weeks quiz question. :shakehead

Shame because the prize was a cutaway section from a damaged Gulf Davidoff 97 GTR rear wing, showing the carbon/aluminium honeycomb construction.:frown:...... :banghead:

The answer:- 10mm......From Racecar Engineering 1996 vol6 no1 (page29)


This weeks question,

In 1995, a women (yes that is correct) entered a round of the BPR series in an F1 GTR.

Give me her name and result.

Yeah, I had no clue on last week's question and my library is still in boxes due to a recent move, so no help there. I think I only own one copy of Racecar Engineering and it is not the issue you mention. I did figure that's where the answer would be found - it is such a great and specialized publication in that regard.

I have this week's answer. It's something I had tripped over before and found rather interesting. As I have already taken the prize once, I have no problem giving others a chance, but if no one gets it by tomorrow then I'll chime in. :)

>8^)
ER

I spent hours trawling carbon fibre internet sites and monocoque internet sites and it was in a bloody bookl!:banghead: ;)

I don't know this weeks answer off the top of my head - I think it's one of 2, it's just trying to refine it more than that - so back I go, into the Internet wilderness :) The obvious, but wrong, answer would be Lindsay Owen-Jones ;)

This weeks question...Give me her name and result.

I'm assuming it was only one race?

I think i got it...I'm going with Tomiko Yoshikawa (007R, Giroix Racing Team) and it was a DNF (Did Not Finish) at Suzuka, according to http://wspr-racing.com/wspr/results/bpr/bpr1995.html.

If thats not correct, the other driver that only raced once was Jun Harada (005R, BBA) and finished 11th. (My 2nd choice)

However, http://www.classicscars.com/chassis/mclaren.htm has slightly conflicting information. It says that Yoshikawa and Harada raced in the same car, 005R, which seems less likely. Also it says one chassis DNF and another RTD (retired?).

The more i search the more I'm leaning towards Tomiko Yoshikawa.