WTF have I done...

Yup, that was me. The car could have bracket raced at 9.1 at 153 all day, it made me work for that 8 second run. In subsequent rounds they were only giving Q16 cars 30 and then 15 minutes to turn the car around. Not possible with my car. I was bullshit, but there was nothing to be done about it. Not enough juice in the battery. If it didn't stall on the transbrake, I would have had to abort the run again due to the pump being unable to maintain fuel pressure. On the second to last run I had to abort right at the shift, AFR was 14.0 to 1, at 38 pounds of boost. They do that every year, and it makes no sense. Run time trials for an hour so cars like mine can recharge and get ready again, WTF.

Best shootout ever, aside from the accident.

Time for another update here as well I guess. Man, what a trip down memory lane reading this thread. When I left off last I had just come back from almost winning the Shootout in 08. What I thought was a voltage problem was actually a failing fuel pump. Here are all of the runs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uL4jDmGDRUs

Right after that I won the next local event, but no repeat of the 8 second pass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-I408hVJCY

After that I continued to run real low 9s for the rest of the season, the car was very consistent. After making some suspension adjustments I attended the Fall Nationals at E-town in October of that year and ran more low 9s until I got booted for not having gloves. On my last qualifier I had a very interesting experience. Video here:

http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/kjewer1/?action=view&current=JewEtown.flv

After that is when it gets interesting. During the off season I made some changes to the car, most notably the compound turbo system. This might be the only successful example of this being implemented on a gas engine drag car. Diesels have done it for a while to make boost in the couple hundred psi range for tractor pulling, I do it to spool a huge turbo quickly WITHOUT nitrous. I'll be happy to explain the details if anyone is interested. I got a late start to the 09 season, but it was worth it. Here's a video from the first two runs on the setup this past summer.

http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/kjewer1/?action=view&current=FirstCompoundTurboRuns.flv

I skipped the OH shootout and went to the new event at E-town instead for the gamblers quick 16 hoping to win some cash. The car did fine but I struggled all day with a lack of traction at the 1000 foot mark, I had to abort every pass. Everyone was struggling in the heat, and the track was terrible. I won at a local import event or two, and got my NHRA 7.5 second license and chassis cert and IHRA 8 second license to round out the season.

I never did a good job in this thread of updating pictures and videos, so for anyone that wants them there's a lot of stuff in here and my other albums.

http://s116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/kjewer1/

How close were you to hitting that other car in E-Town? Hard to tell from the video.

I've followed the guy on Tuners who has been doing the compound turbo setup and seen all the comments and everything you implimented in the thread. Very nice on everything. Are you not using nitrous at all anymore? If not, do you plan on it?

On the current setup, how much more power do you think you can squeeze out?

So close I thought we did hit. Here's another angle. (http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o23/kjewer1/crash1.jpg) I really wish I had an in car camera so I could shit my pants again watching it.

No nitrous at all now. I had no problem running nitrous, but unlike running a 50 or 100 shot on top of the turbo like I did with the EVO, if I ran out on the RWD it would go from low 9s at 150 to 14s at 145. Too risky in competition. I see no need to run it again on this setup.

The big turbo is good for about 105 lbs/min, so there's still more power in this setup. Enough to max out my 8.5 second chassis limit.

Damn that is close. Do you know what happened with the other car? Break something?

What about the smaller turbo? I've been reading up on the compound setup but isn't there a time when the smaller one is going to be maxed out? Or is it already maxed to begin with? It seems like with the bigger one feeding it, that the smaller would be destroyed by this monster.

Lastly, what will it take for the 8.5 sec pass? More tuning, or do you think you have the power already, but had to stay off the gas due to the chasis not being certified yet?

The other car tossed a rod through the block, which oiled up his tires. I've got a catch pan made up that should keep most of the oil off my tires, but I hope to improve it some more soon.

The small turbo is a 50 trim. It's 50 lb/min rating is assumed to be at standard (roughly sea level) conditions. When people go up in altitude to 5 o 6k feet, we know what happens to flow, it goes to shit. But putting 17 psi on the 50 trim's inlet, it's no different than being 10-20,000 feet below sea level. :) The turbo doesn't care, it just takes whatever it's fed and multiplies it by the pressure ratio it's running at. Mass flow is the best way to look at the turbo as a system, but they are volumetric devices. A 50 trim with that 17 psi on its inlet can move the same 100+ lbs/min the big turbo can. This is why the big turbo gets fresh air first, it doesn't have the advantage of another turbo boosting its inlet density. Hope that makes some sense, I think I'm getting better at explaining it. :D

The chassis is already certed to 8.5, all I need to get there is more boost. 40 psi is pretty low for what I'm trying to do, and the times I ran 45 psi I had traction problems or other issues. I'm also changing the rear tire to something that should take that extra boost. Going from a 29x13.5 DOT slick to a 31.5x13.5 slick.

Long time no update. The compound turbo setup is still working flawlessly. I've been spending most of the season working on the suspension setup, trying to get the tire applied to the track more effectively. Small progress, 8.80 at 156.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6ls-UE6jmg

Here's a cool top end video, the turbos sound ridiculous IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kJwrJz638c

That faster time with the new tires? What kind of suspension work?

Vids look good. I watched the in-car one too. Looks like the car keeps wanting to pull to the right the entire length.

Thanks! The rotation of the driveshaft wants to plant the left tire the hardest, so it's not uncommon to pull right. It's better now than it was in the video after some changes. The changes mainly include ladder bar IC height, and compression and rebound adjustments on the shocks. The tires are stickier than what I before, but they also screwed me a little since I had to jack the ass end way up to fit them which is now hurting weight transfer. It's a work in progress. :)

I was going to say I thought the back looked like it was sitting higher up compared to previous vids. Just looks a little weird, but functionality is where it's at. I just watched the 2nd vid above on my tv/surround sound. Thing is just beastly moving down the track. I live basically next to the airport here, and I hear the same thing all day from planes.

I was really hoping to make it to the Shootout this year and meet you. Fail. Sadly parting out my car now so who knows if I'll ever make it to one now.

I was wondering if any of you guys made it out this year. Sucks that you're parting your car out. Go next year anyway. :)

My goal was to have the car ready to go for this year and get some runs in. Sadly, the motor just never ran right. Going through all the pics/vids on Tuners, looked like a great time. Lots of pics of your car. Was the Mighty Max there as well? Or was that someone elses?

The mightymax is down with no motor, I put it in my GF's Talon. :) There was another 88 there with the beer tap on the side of the cap, lol. Otherwise stock though IIRC.

So the compound turbo setup is really efficient huh? I originally saw the concept on some kat's (cant remember the SN) GST/X on DSMtuners.com. Its the red one with the silver tear designs on the side and the blitz bodykit. Is that where you got the inspiration?

Paul Volk is the owner of that car. I got mine done before he did, but I have to give him credit for bring the idea to my attention. He brought up the idea some time ago, which got me thinking about it. Kiggly made some comments in that thread that caught my attention. In the end it just made sense to try it on my car since 90% of the game is spooling up the turbo on the transbrake before the launch. I knocked it out, and it just plain works. I haven't even touched the compound setup in a year. It went 8s on the second full pass and hasn't let me down yet. :) It will spool up even faster than it did in the 8.80 video, I had to pedal it a bit since the starter likes to hold the tree a few second for us turbo cars to build boost. On a sportsman tree I end up on the brake too long so I don't really floor it until the first amber.

damn I love this thread and those vids. Kev always impressive. Elite class in the 8's that's for sure only a handful of dsm'ers there. I love the sound but as mentioned the back does look so jacked up but I suppose you gotta do what you gotta do. Great vids!

Thanks! As far as the car looking like a tractor puller, those days are almost over. Despite only having about 6 runs on these 500 dollar slicks (ouch), I'm ordering new ones today. If I drop down to some 10.5Ws I should be able to lower the back of the car, hopefully pretty far.

Ouch going fast gets expensive! Actually now that i think of that its an undersatement more like going RREALLY FAST gets expensive. Oh well I still remember when that guy crossed over and you missed him by a hair I suppose that would have been the worst possible thing to happen to you so everything passed that is just a bonus, Right haha ???

Yeah, buying new slicks is a lot more fun than trying to get another chassis built. :D

I got the tires mounted and installed yesterday, dropped the shock mounts to the lowest hole, and the car is almost level. About 1.5 inches of rake at the rocker panel. What's interesting is that my entire driveline angle is now zero degrees. Crankshaft, driveshaft, and pinion are all on the same exact line, 0 degrees. The car must have been built for this ride height.

That's perfect! that will minimise driveline power loss!!! I see a sub 8.5 in the near future!

Man, I hope so. The car is really making me work for the last few tenths. :) I should have dropped the pinion another degree but I didn't want to take the time until I know if I'm even staying with this ladder bar hole. I'm in the lowest one and might have to raise it up to hit the tire a little more, we'll see after I run it. Even if the 60 doesn't improve the 300 or eighth should tell me if it's doing better overall.

For sure. So when can we expect to see you at the track making a fresh video for us?

Going back Wednesday, but I haven't found anyone to film yet. Which sucks mostly because it's the only way I can see what the suspension is doing after the changes. :D Hopefully I can find someone...

Fly me out. :D I consider myself halfway decent with a camera

Lol. My one man race team doesn't roll that deep. :D

Email me an application, I will fill it out :)

I came on here just to see if you had gone on wednesday haha.
Just get one of the trackies to cam it for you. They got nothing else to do!

I did! Mike Rizzotti came by to help me out. The first pass I had the 2 step set to 4000 rpm by accident, not much to see there. Second pass left at 6000 rpm and 32 psi, but it's just another 8.81 at 157 on another 1.34 short time. Dammit. Trans was acting up so I called the builder, we tried a band adjustment but didn't like what we saw, so he told me to pack it up and get the trans back to him for inspection. I'm pulling it today if I ever get off the internets and go do some work. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gF27gn0JDp8

Thats awesome kevin. Sucks that the tranny is acting up but thats just how it goes sometimes. At least the guy is standing behind his product.

Yeah, he's one of the good guys. I brought it by around 4:30 and they had it done (while I watched) by 6. Found the low gear servo piston bound up. Shot the shit for an hour and headed home with it. I went to dump the old fluid from the converter before installing it to test it (he wanted me to test it tonight so if it still had issues we have time to open it up again before the race saturday :D), and silver soup came out. Since the inside of the trans is in great shape the converter must be shitting itself. It's possible debris from that got into the servo and caused the whole problem in the first place. Oh well. Dropping off the converter tomorrow in CT (4 hr round trip, wtf) so I can get it all back together Thursday.

I guess the good news is that the car was going 8.8x's on a hurt trans and converter, maybe it will finally be fast!

As if 8.80 isnt fast. Lol, mine wouldnt even do that in the 1/8.

great vid. But I woulda had you smoked on the RT haha jK's.

thats impressive with a bleeding trans. I'm glad the guys stand behind their trans thats great good luck at the race!

Long time no update. I cracked the block last fall and didn't bother filling another one until a couple days before the Shootout. I did two half track passes locally to break it in and hauled it out to Ohio. I ran a few 9.0s. Then I took the compound turbo setup off, installed the T3 manifold from the Mightymax, and put a 16g into a 10cm T3 turbine housing from a syty turbo. First pass on a big 16g was a 10.9, lol. I got that down to a 10.7 or so, then swapped it out for an EVO3 16g. That ran a 10.31 at 129 last wednesday for the E316G record. STM recently ran a 10.1 on an EVO9 turbo though, so I'll have to take it back out on this setup next year to try to nudge it into the 9s. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bcTH7oGALM

Long time no update. I cracked the block last fall and didn't bother filling another one until a couple days before the Shootout. I did two half track passes locally to break it in and hauled it out to Ohio. I ran a few 9.0s. Then I took the compound turbo setup off, installed the T3 manifold from the Mightymax, and put a 16g into a 10cm T3 turbine housing from a syty turbo. First pass on a big 16g was a 10.9, lol. I got that down to a 10.7 or so, then swapped it out for an EVO3 16g. That ran a 10.31 at 129 last wednesday for the E316G record. STM recently ran a 10.1 on an EVO9 turbo though, so I'll have to take it back out on this setup next year to try to nudge it into the 9s. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bcTH7oGALM
Congrats on the record!! :)

I think we should see more updates from you once in a while. I started to wonder what happened to you. lol

What days were you at the shootout? I went on Saturday but didn't see anyone I knew and it pretty much sucked. I was surprised how many owners there had DSM's with the crap beat out of them. Nobody seems to take care of their DSM anymore. :crying:

Sweet deal dude. Glad to see you are still running this thing. You go hard man.

I cut way back on forum surfing, but I still hit the track regularly in something even if my car is down or I just don't feel like running it. Mostly the local forum, NABR, and one turbo V8 forum, but I still pop in here every so often just to make sure everyone is alive and well. :D

In other news I helped Kait run her 2g for the first half of the season while I waited to work up the motivation to fix my block. It was a pretty cheap build, about 4 grand including the car. Main mods were ECMlink V3 on speed density, FP Green (old school wheel), an old SBR FMIC, and a shep stage three tranny that wouldn't shift worth shit at all (rebuilt back in 2002, lol). It ran a pair of 11.4s at ~126 before the track kicked her out.

We bought her a Mightymax too, so we'll each have one next year with TH350s and similar setups. That's the main project for this off season. I want both of them ready for track opening in April. Mine was already running in the not too distant past, but it will still take some work to get another motor (stroker) in it and get it all back together. I robbed a lot of parts from it. Hers needs some frame repair before we start the auto trans swap.

Friday I'm heading up in a friend's EVO8 with an FP red. I just converted that to a 2g ECU with DSMlink V3 and speed density. It should hit 11s on pump gas pretty easily. I'm a little rusty with the 5 speed but I still do alright... :)

So much to do, so little time. Good to see you guys still around and working on DSMs.

Sounds like youve got some sweet projects going man. Deff check in with us every now and then and deff post up pics one day of the max's

I cut way back on forum surfing, but I still hit the track regularly in something even if my car is down or I just don't feel like running it. Mostly the local forum, NABR, and one turbo V8 forum, but I still pop in here every so often just to make sure everyone is alive and well. :D

In other news I helped Kait run her 2g for the first half of the season while I waited to work up the motivation to fix my block. It was a pretty cheap build, about 4 grand including the car. Main mods were ECMlink V3 on speed density, FP Green (old school wheel), an old SBR FMIC, and a shep stage three tranny that wouldn't shift worth shit at all (rebuilt back in 2002, lol). It ran a pair of 11.4s at ~126 before the track kicked her out.

We bought her a Mightymax too, so we'll each have one next year with TH350s and similar setups. That's the main project for this off season. I want both of them ready for track opening in April. Mine was already running in the not too distant past, but it will still take some work to get another motor (stroker) in it and get it all back together. I robbed a lot of parts from it. Hers needs some frame repair before we start the auto trans swap.

Friday I'm heading up in a friend's EVO8 with an FP red. I just converted that to a 2g ECU with DSMlink V3 and speed density. It should hit 11s on pump gas pretty easily. I'm a little rusty with the 5 speed but I still do alright... :)

So much to do, so little time. Good to see you guys still around and working on DSMs.
My brother is still running the FP green on his 2g. Such a great turbo even still today! I think the best he did was a 12.2 on his setup, but he needs a little more practice on launching a 5-speed... He's a bit rough on the clutch. lol Now it's in the middle of being replaced and the motor rebuilt.

A turbo v8 forum eh?... Lots of good info on there? I'm looking for real knowledge on a turbo setup for the Z06... Half the Corvette forums I've looked at, there is no real knowledge. Just a bunch of guys with money who pay others to do their work/setups. Tis sad...

The Mighty Max setups will be fun and fast! Framed rusted out on hers or actually bent?

12.2 is pretty quick! I would have like to get Kait's car closer to the Green record but between the shot trans and no roll cage it just wasn't meant to be. I have no problem caging her mightymax though. :) There is some frame rot in the usual spots, but it's not hard to fix. Mine is in mint shape with 45k miles so I don't know if I'll be able to cut it up for a cage. I'm thinking it will run the 11.5 second cage limit on pump gas with a 16g type turbo though, that will make me happy. I'd like to see Kait's truck in the 10s on a small turbo too.

I think I had a mightymax thread here, but here's a video either way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6XmXkvKRrE It went on to a dyno day after than and made another 30-40 hp. Should easily be enough for 11s when I can launch with boost.

Glad to see you still stop by occasionally Kevin. Sounds like you will have your hands full over the winter. Good luck

Friday I'm heading up in a friend's EVO8 with an FP red. I just converted that to a 2g ECU with DSMlink V3 and speed density. It should hit 11s on pump gas pretty easily. I'm a little rusty with the 5 speed but I still do alright... :)

Well, it did hit 11s. :) 11.90s at ~123ish on pump and full weight spinning pretty good. It gets ridiculously cold up here at the end of the season. I think it will do 11.5s on pump this year, if not I'll sneak some race gas into it and lean on the tune when he's not looking... :naughty:

I'm switching the RWD over to DSMlink this year just for fun, so I'll dial it in on the 16g and see if I can't nudge down that 10.31 a bit while I'm at it. Then it has to come off though, there's a local race early in the season that I want to have Rev 2 of the compound setup done for. I plan to hit my 8.50 chassis limit this year or blow the car up trying. I've been dragging my ass for too long in the high 8s. With any luck I'll have some power to spare and can crank it up to 11 at the shootout this year, which should be the biggest one ever. Any of you guys going?

Awesome to get your updates every now and then Kev. I think I will be going this year.

It's awesome to see what you do with the cars! Any vids/pics?

If anyone goes to to the SO this year make sure you let me know, and come find me and say hello. I always look really busy at the track but I always look forward to meeting people from the forums, it's half the reason I go.

I have a vid of the EVO's runs but it's like 5 minutes long, lol. Some good races though, AWD burnouts, and a missed second gear shift. :) It shows how hard the track made me work for those 11 second runs! In the 30 degree range that night. I got 14" of snow the following day too, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Zp12WlVFU

What's up wankers. The season is under way here, but the constant rain is pissing me off. I took the car out for a rental a few weeks ago, now on ECMlink V3. First pass on ethanol was a 10.39 at 132, not a bad start considering my best is a 10.31 at 129 from last year. Haven't been able to better it, no traction on street nights. There's an IFO event Sunday, so I'm switching to a 35R this week to see what I can do on that. The 16g is a bit small for the outlaw class. Shit, the 35R is too small. Hopefully I can get a low 9 out of it. At some point I have to get back to work on the compound turbos. If the 35R spools well I'll leave that on there and upgrade my S475 to an S488 and run them together and see what happens.

Lol I love reading these posts. You swap turbo's around more frequently then I swap my underwear. The numbers are always so impressive and the way you make it seem so effortless (despite the fact I know a ton of sweat and tears go into it).

I was really looking forward to the 20th anniversary shootout this year. I'm not sure if I can go since my block self destructed.

Kev will you just build me a car so I know everything is done right haha.

I read your thread, that shit is crazy. You've got 3 and a half months to get that back together! :D I think it was 2006 a local hardcore DSMer picked his bare block up at the machine shop on his way to the shoutout and built it in the hotel parkinglot, and ran 11.1 with it in DSE. Gitter done and get your ass out there so we can hang out. I'm always at the Econolodge down at the far end.

I should have some results on Sunday, and some vids.

I read your thread, that shit is crazy. You've got 3 and a half months to get that back together! :D I think it was 2006 a local hardcore DSMer picked his bare block up at the machine shop on his way to the shoutout and built it in the hotel parkinglot, and ran 11.1 with it in DSE. Gitter done and get your ass out there so we can hang out. I'm always at the Econolodge down at the far end.

I should have some results on Sunday, and some vids.


Wow thats awesome. That makes me feel bad for taking so long getting my car running again.

Kevin cant wait to see those videos.

Very impressive and jealous. That's awesome with the build at the shootout too.

Yeah, that was unreal. There was a video somewhere, not sure if that's still around or not.

I got the 35R installed last night and it does spool up on the auto, so we'll see what happens tonight/Sunday.

I remember seeing the video your referring too. Was from a while ago. The amount of mechanical work that takes place in the hotel parking lots is unreal. From the videos I've seen, guys are changing trannies, engines, t-cases, and every other thing they can possibly change to get back out on the track.

When is the shootout? I may be DSM-less but I would love to come meet all you guys and see some sweet as cars hit the track.

Do it! It's in August, the weekend of the 18th or so.

I ended up running the 35R friday, first pass off the trailer was a 9.25 at 147, second run 9.14 at 150, which I believe is the new record.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjuFyYSsOdQ&feature=youtu.be

Today the first run off the trailer was a 9.25 at 148 (warmer tems) to qualify #2. For some reason they paired me up with the #1 qualifier (event was a shitshow), but a little more boost and higher 2 step/3 step rpms got reset the record and I believe beat the 35 HTA record too, 8.89 at 152. The turbo was slower spooling in the heat but bumping in on the 3 step I was able to tree the other car and leave with 36 lbs of boost. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UliBTYtzSk4

Wow congrats on the record. Thats an impressive run. I didnt expect that other car to be that fast

I think he's gone 7.70s. I'm just glad he went straight, and was glad he picked the right lane (usually my favorite by far) so I could keep an eye on him. I was ready for him to play pin ball between the walls, but he waited until the next round to do that. :D Glad he kept it off the wall, but I'm glad I wasn't racing him on that pass. On the run in the video his chute wrapped around the wheelie bars, THAT would have been disastrous too if it caught the air. Could have flipped the car right over. I could see the pucker factor on his face when we were packing up our chutes after the run. :)

The car did great though. I bumped in under boost and had full boost early, backed it down on the 3 step when he tried to bump in slow to overheat my trans, then had full boost back before the green. Left at 6k rpm and 36 psi, 1.29 60 foot, 122+ in the eighth at 5.67 or so, etc. A good slip all the way down, can't complain. :)

Man that kinda run is insane. I just can't believe how fast your running.

I watch these videos and I'm like Hey I know that guy. well kinda

More belated updates. The Shootout was a shit show, but this happened:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vc13V0Lt8N0&list=FLuejooUbFaepaHo1SsvnDSw&index=2&feature=plpp_video

And then the following week this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWDwyEWs68A&list=FLuejooUbFaepaHo1SsvnDSw&index=7&feature=plpp_video

That run set the DSM 6766 record, but obviously hurt the motor. The off the shelf JE pistons had enough I guess.

Now it's back to the MightyMax. :) Trying to get that in the 11s today.

Amazing times! Looks like some more building is in your future!

I get so happy when I see this thread has been bumped