What to do with a Saturn?

Hey, my friend has a Saturn (I think it's 1998). It's your basic 4 banger, and he's wanting more power out of it (he can't even get the thing to spin the tires! Even in reverse!). He put one of those huge round mufflers on it....but didn't help much. What would you guys reccomend he do to make it go faster? I don't know much about the newer technology and electronics that you guys deal with (like in his saturn), hence, I have the good ole power of the '81 corvette....so I thought I'd just see what you guys have to say. And remember, he doesn't want to pay a whole lot...so just the best bang for the buck. Is there any kind of chip he can put in it or something else? (no Nitrous, turbo or superchargers). Thanks!

Nope, there isn't much he can do without a turbo or internal modications.

Here's what he can do, take the cylinder head to a machine shop and have the ports matched and a bit of bowl work done.

After that, he might be able to find a header for it, that might pick up a few horses.

Other than that, the only way to get more speed out of a saturn cheaply is to crash it and use the insurance money to buy a faster car.

trade it in .... :)

or just go off a cliff, see how fast you can hit the bottom ;)

*I like saturns bty*

Originally posted by lanceh007
he doesn't want to pay a whole lot...
Sorry, but HP costs money.

The Saturn would benefit from a K&N drop-in filter & cut a bigger hole in the air filter's intake box.

Other than that, I've seen some sweet Saturrns, but again they put $$$ into them.

Get some stickers. Those make everything go faster. oh, and a body kit and maybe a wing. That'll drop at least 45 HP in it right off the bat.

In all honesty, there's not much for a saturn. If you want to soup a car and have lots of parts avalible for everything you can think of, buy a Civic.

Originally posted by DMC12

Sorry, but HP costs money.

The Saturn would benefit from a K&N drop-in filter & cut a bigger hole in the air filter's intake box.


HP costs money allright, how fast do you want to spend. Port matching is easy and can be done at home, picks up a few horsies and gives you better mileage. Leave port enlargement and bowl work to the pros though, or you will kill your cylinder head.

I would never advise cutting up your airbox, it's just more likely to get dirt and stuff on your filter. Contrary to popular belief, a K&N filter is not always effective. In fact, most box/sheet style filter flow a lot more than the engine needs, yes, even when dirty. Ever seen a dirty K&N? Regular filters work fine most of the time...

Originally posted by Cyprus106
In all honesty, there's not much for a saturn. If you want to soup a car and have lots of parts avalible for everything you can think of, buy a Civic.

Ho ho, ha ha. Thank you Cyprus, you've made an old man laugh :p

my k&N was dirty, so I cleaned/recharged it :D

TORNADO!!!!!

Exactly my point. Isn't cleaning the K&N a lot more maintainance than simply replacing it?

well, I did notice a slight change in milage, and a possable change in power when I did get one,

And no, if you got the time its really easy to recharge one, and its alot cheeper, the kit is $11 but its got a good 5 uses.

Originally posted by THE4TH
trade it in .... :)
you took the words right out of my mouth....

A saturn is an economy car it's not built for speed. It's that simple. He will spend a lot of money and ruin his car if he wants to make it faster, he needs a different car.

A saturn is an economy car it's not built for speed. It's that simple. He will spend a lot of money and ruin his car if he wants it to go fast, he needs a different car.

You could burn it:flamer:saturn

You could burn it :flamer:saturn


Now THERES a good idea

hmm..well maybe this guy doesn't have the option of trading it in? I'd say..if ya want a little bit of extra boost, put in a K&N Filter, or Tornado Fuel Saver(ya know, those things you see the infomercials for). Then think about headers, exhaust, etc. Or just drive the damn thing, and not worry about racing, unless you line up with a Geo or something:flash:

Originally posted by 76_cobra
A saturn is an economy car it's not built for speed. It's that simple. He will spend a lot of money and ruin his car if he wants it to go fast, he needs a different car.



Sounds like a civic.

Amen to that

Sounds like a civic.


fuck


Amen to that


you

j/k...
Actually, you're right about Civics not being about to go fast but at least they got tons of potential with the overwhelming number of aftermarket parts and stuff. In retrospect, I should have bought an Integra but I had no knowledge of the whole import thing until after I bought it. Now I'm trying to correct the mistake by saving up for a B18C5! :D

hahaha, hey, i'm in civic teriroty with my bird, stock it runs a mighty what..16.5? And with driver and full tank of gas your well over 4000.

Now yes, a civic CAN go fast, but hey, it takes a shit load of work. And more money than I would want to pay.

Now a Subaru SVX LSi.....SHUT UP ME...must not let them know yet....yesss.....

anyway yes, civic slow, bird slow, slowbird make fun of slow civic :p

Originally posted by 94svt5.0




Sounds like a civic.

forum whore.:mad:

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
hahaha, hey, i'm in civic teriroty with my bird, stock it runs a mighty what..16.5? And with driver and full tank of gas your well over 4000.

Now yes, a civic CAN go fast, but hey, it takes a shit load of work. And more money than I would want to pay.

Now a Subaru SVX LSi.....SHUT UP ME...must not let them know yet....yesss.....

anyway yes, civic slow, bird slow, slowbird make fun of slow civic :p

can we not do this again? http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=68553
:rolleyes:

Originally posted by hybridsol


forum whore.:mad:


And you are? Sorry, carnutt will not be jumping into this forum to bash what they dont understand.

Originally posted by hybridsol


can we not do this again? http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=68553
:rolleyes:

can we not do what again?

Theres way the hell too much for me to read on that thread, I stoped after page 1, just cut to the chase and make your point :mad:

Originally posted by 94svt5.0




Sounds like a civic.
3 words
1. bring 2. your 3. sled

definition- sled (sled) n. a vehicle or object which gains momentum only by being pushed down a hill.
Originally posted by 94svt5.0
And you are? Sorry, carnutt will not be jumping into this forum to bash what they dont understand.
first of all what you just said made no scence.......second of all don't try to insult his intelligence he knows more about the type of car you drive than you do.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity


can we not do what again?

Theres way the hell too much for me to read on that thread, I stoped after page 1, just cut to the chase and make your point :mad:
without you reading it. I'm going to start another argument, and since I wish to refrain from (argument) nevermind. Its all an opinion of what can be built up easier. And I simply did not appreciate the civic comment since it is my car of choice. And I've built and fully restored a 65 mustang and 74 Chevelle Malibu SS wow. I used to own a jeep grand cherokke nothing against domestics.





here's a pic of my latest restoration my dads 88 ford xlt.

Autocross it in stock class...AutoX is a blast...learn how to drive!!!:)

you might be a ricer if, you spray pam on your brake pads "so they wont slow you down"

you might be a ricer if, you buy your proformace parts from Stop and Shop

you might be ricer if your car has more "Bling" than Master P!

you Know your a ricer when your car back firers and you say its the turbo kicking in

How about slapping on a nice Type R sticker, or powered by honda.
that would own!

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

first of all what you just said made no scence.......second of all don't try to insult his intelligence he knows more about the type of car you drive than you do.


I think not.

Originally posted by RACER D12
you might be a ricer if, you spray pam on your brake pads "so they wont slow you down"

you might be a ricer if, you buy your proformace parts from Stop and Shop

you might be ricer if your car has more "Bling" than Master P!

you Know your a ricer when your car back firers and you say its the turbo kicking in
wrong forum man.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



I think not.
me thinks you don't think much.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0



And you are? Sorry, carnutt will not be jumping into this forum to bash what they dont understand.
furthermore who is carnut?

Wrong thread you mean...

Nobody insulted your civic. Are you going to deny that a civic is an economy car? Is there some imaginary line where a entry level car becomes a "sport compact" after modifications?

I think 94svt5.0 knows quite a bit about mustangs...

Originally posted by Cbass
Wrong thread you mean...

Nobody insulted your civic. Are you going to deny that a civic is an economy car? Is there some imaginary line where a entry level car becomes a "sport compact" after modifications?

I think 94svt5.0 knows quite a bit about mustangs...

he sait it all

Originally posted by tougestar
Autocross it in stock class...AutoX is a blast...learn how to drive!!!:) Ditto that! Saturn SC2s have fared well in SCCA club and pro racing. :)

I dont think??




Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

first of all what you just said made no scence.......second of all don't try to insult his intelligence he knows more about the type of car you drive than you do.

and then you say

"furthermore who is carnut?"


So you defend carnnutt saying he knows more about mustangs then me. Then you ask who carrnnutt is.?:bloated:

I think your not the one thinking.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
So you defend carnnutt saying he knows more about mustangs then me. Then you ask who carrnnutt is.?:bloated:

I think your not the one thinking.


DblOvrhedCamron has been



OWND! ~OmiKRon~ Style!

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
I dont think??




Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

first of all what you just said made no scence.......second of all don't try to insult his intelligence he knows more about the type of car you drive than you do.

and then you say

"furthermore who is carnut?"


So you defend carnnutt saying he knows more about mustangs then me. Then you ask who carrnnutt is.?:bloated:

I think your not the one thinking.
have to defend my ppl - he wasen't defending carnnutt he was defending hybridsol and to tell you the truth I think he probably does know more than (most). You should look up tech threads answered by him the guy's a walking car encyclopedia.

Originally posted by Cbass
Wrong thread you mean...

Nobody insulted your civic. Are you going to deny that a civic is an economy car? Is there some imaginary line where a entry level car becomes a "sport compact" after modifications?

I think 94svt5.0 knows quite a bit about mustangs...

yes thread, thanks.

no they insulted civic's in general as you quite often do I have noticed. No matter that is your opinion and I respect that. I have views of german engineering that I'm not going to share b/c it might offend someone, as you have degrating views on Japanese cars primarly honda civic which you share frequently. Not all civic's are built as economy cars as their primary use, just as not all ford mustangs are built for speed.

ahem... this goes out to those who deserve it...


you know who you are...

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity



DblOvrhedCamron has been



OWND! ~OmiKRon~ Style!
not :D
Originally posted by RedNeck383
ahem... this goes out to those who deserve it...


you know who you are...
to the world of auto's I am not a newbie. Infact degree's and job offer's come to mind.... One I turned down from chevy..... less talk more bringing your sled. GSR ownz u. :D

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron

to the world of auto's I am not a newbie. Infact degree's and job offer's come to mind.... One I turned down from chevy..... less talk more bringing your sled. GSR ownz u. :D

doesnt matter who you are or what you havent done. Making claims that people dont know crap about cars is just plain stupid.


And I'm just oh so scared of your 4 banger :D. Let me get my truck, we'll go at it. :smoka:

BLAZER OWNZ JOO!:D

bring it:D and I wasent making any clamis that anyone here knew less than i about cars? I never said that. I believe you were the one making that claim with the newbie picture. 132 maple ave. after I beat you I making you pay for the gas.

does the word "pathetic" come to mind to anyone else here? :p

Yah, you go cyber thug, were scared of you, your gsr and your home

So back to the origional idea before the [H] crew came in. *to certain civic owners who frequent here, I dont include you into this*

My cuz has one, it handles actually quite well, and it has traction controll as well. Auto X might just be a good idea for one, not the fastest thing but a great handling thing.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
does the word "pathetic" come to mind to anyone else here? :p

Yah, you go cyber thug, were scared of you, your gsr and your home

So back to the origional idea before the [H] crew came in. *to certain civic owners who frequent here, I dont include you into this*

My cuz has one, it handles actually quite well, and it has traction controll as well. Auto X might just be a good idea for one, not the fastest thing but a great handling thing.
ok (both) of you need to let this go the guy is asking a question about a saturn not whats better his or her domestic or Import. I can see one liner jokes, but not bashing each other. I just wanted to point something out. thats all (by the way Cbass sorry for blowing a fuse on you, I know from previous threads your a good guy) So how bout we just answer the mans question and not forum whore all day, I know that i have contributed. Let me be the first to say my bad.

to 94svt5.0 my buddy Zep has a 94 SVT, he and I did these mods to it
GT-40 heads with Ford/Crane roller rocker arms and stiffer springs, High Flow Cobra intake Plenum and lower manifold, 7ke Revised cam, Modified sequential fuel injection, Modified pullies, light weight flywheel, EEC-IV ECU and calibration,Stainless steel headers, Oil cooler, Transmission Bearing upgrade and Phosphate coated gears- she gets 285 lb/ft torque at 4000RPM and 240 hp at 4800RPM that car is a demon.

Originally posted by TerminalVelocity

My cuz has one, it handles actually quite well, and it has traction controll as well. Auto X might just be a good idea for one, not the fastest thing but a great handling thing.

As I said before

Look for different rims, from a junkyard even if they are slightly, not dubs, but slightly bigger, so you have low profile tires on them, make sure they are light as possable too...

Lowering springs, not for looks, but for a lower center of gravity

Do intake work, you can be gettho about it *like me!* and make your own parts and use a k&n filter, or other filter...whatever...use a filter....and make your own cold air system, just take off your air box, also the silencer and run piping down through there to where its away from the engine and anywhere which gets too hot, have the filter there.

my prof. suggested a automatic transmission computer with a manual transmission apparently it takes off the rev and speed limits.

Originally posted by hybridsol

you took the words right out of my mouth....
Me and my buddy here (hybirdsol) have had some expierence with Saturns (Ben's) and Have come to the point that they are made for cheap people that want a car to hopefully get them from point A to B, but usually wont even do that! Secondly the big muffler he put on there was a complete waste of money, a saturn bearly produces enought back pressure for a stock muffler none the less a performacen one. My advice, SELL IT AND BUY A HONDA!!!:cool:

Originally posted by hybridsol


yes thread, thanks.

no they insulted civic's in general as you quite often do I have noticed. No matter that is your opinion and I respect that. I have views of german engineering that I'm not going to share b/c it might offend someone, as you have degrating views on Japanese cars primarly honda civic which you share frequently. Not all civic's are built as economy cars as their primary use, just as not all ford mustangs are built for speed.

I think you've misread into my posts, I have nothing against Japanese cars, or even the civic for that matter. I just see far too many people throwing money at a civic, which is the entry level honda, to make it a drag racer... Okay, adding power and tuning your suspension is a good step for any car, but a civic that runs 10s is generally not streetable, compared to a domestic or even a RWD Japanese or other import...

If I needed a car to commute daily through a busy area, a civic with an auto would be high on my list of cars to drive, but I wouldn't try to turn one into a drag racer. I don't think enough people concentrate on Hondas touring car efforts, in the British and Australian Touring car championships. They run 300hp Accords on road courses, and they are a pretty good team. It's sort of like NASCAR, but on road course, and with imports... check it out.

Originally posted by hybridsol



to 94svt5.0 my buddy Zep has a 94 SVT, he and I did these mods to it
GT-40 heads with Ford/Crane roller rocker arms and stiffer springs, High Flow Cobra intake Plenum and lower manifold, 7ke Revised cam, Modified sequential fuel injection, Modified pullies, light weight flywheel, EEC-IV ECU and calibration,Stainless steel headers, Oil cooler, Transmission Bearing upgrade and Phosphate coated gears- she gets 285 lb/ft torque at 4000RPM and 240 hp at 4800RPM that car is a demon.

Is that a joke? That is complete crap. If he did that, it was not a cobra to start out with. That is the list of modifications that the cobra motor came STOCK with. And that is the stock hp and torque ratings of a 94/95 cobra.

Hers is the 94/95 cobra stats. http://www.scoa.org/info/1994-info.htm

Thanks 94svt5.0 I was just about to say, after all that work they did on the mustang it only makes that much Power? I was not impressed.


But now that you mentioned it, the stock Cobra's came with those numbers, which as you know can be improved upon like whoa.


Anywho... YUGOS RULE :ylsuper

Originally posted by DblOvrhedCamron
bring it:D and I wasent making any clamis that anyone here knew less than i about cars? I never said that. I believe you were the one making that claim with the newbie picture. 132 maple ave. after I beat you I making you pay for the gas.

alot of good your home address does me... what about the City, and State, and Zip code?


Plus you state your location as Mt. Fuji. Isnt that in Japan? You expect me to pack up my duffle bag and ship my Chebby over there to stomp on you?:D


Enough Liars Poker, let us all know what you got so we can judge Thy Vehicle Cool or Lame.

Originally posted by 94svt5.0


Is that a joke? That is complete crap. If he did that, it was not a cobra to start out with. That is the list of modifications that the cobra motor came STOCK with. And that is the stock hp and torque ratings of a 94/95 cobra.

Hers is the 94/95 cobra stats. http://www.scoa.org/info/1994-info.htm
(sorry didint put conversion) was just trying to point out that I was farmiliar with your car and it wasen't a cobra before it was for A.S.A.D.G. full tear down(just trying to give your car some props). Cbass- I am farmiliar with the British Touring car championships, I think that thompson won last year priaulx came in like 5th for honda with a civc I think marsh in production class only had like 95 pts. kaye had a 161 in a civic might be the other way around can't remember, 10 sec street cars (that are legal) from germany or japan I don't see many around here if any. Don't get me wrong man I like german cars (beemer VANOS) I'm just more comfortable with Jap. engineering. To each his own right?

whats A.S.A.D.G.?

I don't follow the touring series anymore, the speed channel doesn't show the races anymore :(

Are they running Civics now? When I watched before they were running Accords, and not doing too badly I might add... As for my taste in cars, Porsche all the way :D

Originally posted by 94svt5.0
whats A.S.A.D.G.?
Automotive. System. Analytical. Design. Grade. I did mine on a Omni we turned it into GLH. more than i bargained for. Ok I promised Hybridsol to get along with everyone but I live in williamsport pa. thats northern williamsport. Ok i'm done.:D