GTR's converted to road-use

Hello all

I thought i'd share some of my pics of GTR's that have been converted to road-use, and as a tool for the newbies / uneducated :wink: would like people to state how they differentiate between the LM-lookalikes - if anyone has other pics they would like to contribute, please do so here

#02R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/P1300397_zpsnruogteq.jpg

#03R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/P1270448%20Large_zpsjzdt1fkh.jpg

#05R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/14468883329_52962c4bc2_o_zpsykutw2ov.jpg

#06R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/P1260916_zps12qd0c70.jpg

#07R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/P1300227_zpsnt2g6cvl.jpg

#08R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/11005197_790789107678574_278782554_n_zpsfvfylkvb.j pg

#10R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/P1300036_zpsugsesbgv.jpg

#11R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/4359_autospy_2_zpsgpskeyke.jpg

#12R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/025_McLarenOwnerMeeting2014_F1GTR_zpsrlpnsrky.jpg

#13R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/P1270781_zps8bx9s3v3.jpg

#14R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/FILE00376_zps9zpf1v8m.jpg

#15R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/P1300200_zpstitdfugs.jpg

#16R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/P1300612_zpswl6weq5u.jpg

#19R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/bucket%202/P1290985_zpskgjmtxvj.jpg

So, can anyone furnish us with a definitive list of what to look out for when trying to identify LM Lookalikes from other LM lookalikes?...

why has 07R got two extra air intakes on the bonnet?

Most obviousdifference is in the side intakes LM only has one GTR's have one each side.

Most obviousdifference is in the side intakes LM only has one GTR's have one each side.

That'll differentiate the LM's from the GTR/LM Lookalikes :cheers:

OK, so far we have #11R that has an elongated roof scoop, and #07R that has 2 extra air intakes on the bonnet

Any more?

The LM has the intake on the RH side just ahead of the rear wheel and none on the LH side.

why has 07R got two extra air intakes on the bonnet?

Hi Al,

The air scoops on the bonnet of 07R, are the first configuration of brake cooling ducts. They were deleted around mid 95.

As seen on this pic of 01R.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3610/mcl2kq1.th.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mcl2kq1.jpg)

I still think the GTR's should have been returned to one of their race liveries. While they will rarely be mistaken for LM's under a reasonable distance, making them all look the same seems a bit odd to me. One of the reasons for opting for a GTR in the 1st place must be it's uniqueness and racing history. So why try to make it look like something else? Granted with there being now 9 roadgoing GTR's they now outnumber LM's so not as exclusive as they were but thats no reason to make it look like an LM.
Of course those who buy them after the Papaya repaint are not guilty of this but I do hope no more GTR's go down the Papaya route.

#14R seen in Monaco
http://img161.imagevenue.com/loc2/th_39382_mclaren_f1_gtr_monaco_220502_by_Edvar_122 _2lo.jpg (http://img161.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=39382_mclaren_f1_gtr_monaco_220502_b y_Edvar_122_2lo.jpg)

I don't think we know that's #14R. In fact I am more inclined to believe that it may be #15R. Of course I am only speculating. :)

Nice list - I'd leave #06R as is btw.

Also, to answer your question, here's a similar one along with my answer from some time ago:

how can u tell if its LM Spec? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122359)

>8^)
ER

I think if you can buy a gTR should do whatever to it what you want. Individualise it to your own taste (of course not pink with white stripes:-P and gold rims:-P)

A dark green or pearl white GTR would be awesome f.e.

All cool answers, and all of you who commented are right, it should be easy to spot an LM from a GTR conversion

Perhaps the original question needs rephrasing - how can you tell apart the GTR's that have been converted to LM Lookalikes from each other i.e. how do you tell #08R as it is now apart from #16R as it is now and so on? (of course Mr B can tell the difference - #08R isnt in his garage, whereas...... :) )

[QUOTE=Le Man]Hi Al,

The air scoops on the bonnet of 07R, are the first configuration of brake cooling ducts. They were deleted around mid 95.
[=QUOTE]

As far as I can recall 07R didn't have the noticeable brake ducts in the NACA's when Larry Kinch bought it in 1998. If I remember correctly they had simple black plates attached underneath.

http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2134436013&idx=10

As for the Papaya colour of 07R, I recall Larry saying that he didn't like the silver and papaya colour when he got the car, but, personally speaking, of all the GTR non-liveried road conversions I've seen, I thought that duo-colour was quite simply stunning.

Pink with white stripes Hmmm nice, really think red wheels would be nicer than gold though

Wow, I guess I've been gone for a while. When was 12R converted for road use? Has it always been like this and I just never noticed? That picture looks like from early 90s based on the on-looker's clothing, but the car wasn't manufactured in the early 90s. lol

Wow, I guess I've been gone for a while. When was 12R converted for road use? Has it always been like this and I just never noticed? That picture looks like from early 90s based on the on-looker's clothing, but the car wasn't manufactured in the early 90s. lol

I'm pretty sure I took that photo at the Coys Historic Festival at Silverstone, in the early 90's, it had a number plate on it then and Ray Bellm drove it around the pits

EDIT - nope, it was these ones I took, in the days pre-digicam!!!

http://img103.imagevenue.com/loc243/th_14143_N753HRV_3_122_243lo.JPG (http://img103.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=14143_N753HRV_3_122_243lo.JPG) http://img154.imagevenue.com/loc50/th_14152_N753HRV_2_122_50lo.JPG (http://img154.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=14152_N753HRV_2_122_50lo.JPG) http://img130.imagevenue.com/loc225/th_14160_N753HRV_1_122_225lo.JPG (http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=14160_N753HRV_1_122_225lo.JPG)

All cool answers, and all of you who commented are right, it should be easy to spot an LM from a GTR conversion

Perhaps the original question needs rephrasing - how can you tell apart the GTR's that have been converted to LM Lookalikes from each other i.e. how do you tell #08R as it is now apart from #16R as it is now and so on? (of course Mr B can tell the difference - #08R isnt in his garage, whereas...... :) )

To quickly spot the differance between 95 and 96 GTR,s is the position of the wiper motor pivot. It is centrally mounted on the 96 spec cars (although 03R and 06R were updated to 96 spec) Other details can be confussing, so it is a case of knowing team spec (last raced) and what changes have been made since.

Found another new pic of #13R on the streets -
http://img172.imagevenue.com/loc401/th_71802_1173378016_rqzs_4_kr_122_401lo.jpg (http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=71802_1173378016_rqzs_4_kr_122_401lo .jpg)

Found another new pic of #13R on the streets -
http://img172.imagevenue.com/loc401/th_71802_1173378016_rqzs_4_kr_122_401lo.jpg (http://img172.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=71802_1173378016_rqzs_4_kr_122_401lo .jpg)

Doesn't look like too salubrious a neighbourhood to park up your million pound GTR!

Doesn't look like too salubrious a neighbourhood to park up your million pound GTR!
Heh, where are the gated driveways, swimming pools, landcsaped gardens and multi-car garages :wink:

Just needed to check that a GTR would actually fit in my garage and still let me get in and out. Verdict it will fit but I had to push it in after getting out and pull it partway out before getting in. Thank god it's so light.





Just kidding, lol.

Heh, where are the gated driveways, swimming pools, landcsaped gardens and multi-car garages :wink:

Possibly also stolen by the self-same local 16-year old acne-scarred teenaged Burberry-cap wearing chav called Wayne that ripped-off the Lark GTR in the first place?

Just a theory ... ;)

Possibly also stolen by the self-same local 16-year old acne-scarred teenaged Burberry-cap wearing chav called Wayne that ripped-off the Lark GTR in the first place?

Just a theory ... ;)


one more pic of #13R on the road, this time it looks like it was taken from the upstairs of one of those dodgy houses mentioned before :naughty:
http://img150.imagevenue.com/loc413/th_32503_1174231707h6zlw1y0ar0_122_413lo.jpg (http://img150.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=32503_1174231707h6zlw1y0ar0_122_413l o.jpg)

Hello,

Erik > if ".66 MCL" is not #14R but #15R, where is #14R and in which configuration ?

Phil

#14R was involved in a very bad crash at the second to last race of the 1996 Japan GT series. The car was actually replaced for the following race by another GTR. The poster with Driving Ambition says it was replaced with #04R, but I suspect that may be wrong information and that possibly it was #08R that stood in.

#04R had also been involved in a very bad crash during the middle of the 1995 BPR season and had to be replaced by #08R a few races later. There's been no confirmed sightings of #04R since then, so I suspect that it was actually written off at that point.

Anyway, assuming that I am right and that #14R was not salvagable following it's own crash, then I'd say it doesn't exist anymore. Keep in mind there's no hard evidence that states either #04R or #14R are really gone, it's all circumstantial at this point. If someone has proof that either of my theories are wrong I'd love to hear it.

I don't think there has been any confirmation on the chassis number of the orange "*66 MCL" GTR - if someone could give us that it would answer a lot of questions. It could obviously be either #14R or #15R, but the evidence isn't there yet to say which as far as I am aware.

>8^)
ER

Thank you very much Erik to take the time to answer me.

I would like to have more information on these chassis since from two sources, #R would be kept near me :)

But, wait a minute, is it possible to know when a car was converted ? If yes, it could be interesting. Otherwise, Do we know #059 owner ?

Phil

But, wait a minute, is it possible to know when a car was converted ? If yes, it could be interesting. Otherwise, Do we know #059 owner ?


That reminds me, i'm sorry for never answering your PM about that

Here's another shot of #13R from the same location, but another different angle

http://img130.imagevenue.com/loc537/th_78709_59B497F8A196_122_537lo.jpg (http://img130.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=78709_59B497F8A196_122_537lo.jpg)

a couple more

http://img129.imagevenue.com/loc336/th_78480_926C300382D1_122_336lo.jpg (http://img129.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=78480_926C300382D1_122_336lo.jpg) http://img149.imagevenue.com/loc503/th_78485_01C7BAD6E3F8_122_503lo.jpg (http://img149.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=78485_01C7BAD6E3F8_122_503lo.jpg)

;) Mini magic

no probleme, maybe you can now :)

Phil

UPDATE: Now that we have confirmed the existence of GTR #14R here (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=910868) I have corrected the caption applied in the original post showing an image of #15R, but left the rest of the thread's content intact. Hopefully that doesn't prove to be too confusing.

I won't take a lot of credit for my strong assumption that the car was always #15R was correct, as the info I was basing that on was proven to be wrong as well... Oops. :redface:

= = = = = =

I think one think worthwhile to add to this thread that was not commented on yet is GTR #27R. Frequent participants on this forum know quite well that the conversion to road use on that car is currently just a bit of a dream, but the fact that it has been seen wearing the "CIA 4" plate for so long could certainly lead to confusion with newcomers. So, as of this writing, the car picture below has not been converted, but gets an honorable mention anyway.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20G/th_scannen10639_10658.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20G/scannen10639_10658.jpg)

On BRX880's suggestion, I've also added this thread to the "Best of the Best" thread stickied at the top of the forum. :cool:

>8^)
ER

So, just have to check this one.
Have I understood this right, that the 016R, which has been informated to me:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20G/?action=view&current=65349_1_122_529lo.jpg
Has been converted to road legal and caries no more the FINA livery?

I know, this question might be stupid because every fact tells me this convert, but just have to check this for my self.

The reason why I ask this is that I have photografed this car early 1996 at Helsinki Motor Show. The pics are coming begining of January 2009, I will show them here as soon as I get them back by digital shape.

Yes - you are on the right track. Most of what is known of the history of #16R should be found in this thread:

Now this should be exciting - McLaren versus Enzo on 5th Gear... (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=593482)

>8^)
ER

Looking forward to seeing those pics Sami :thumbsup:

Yes - you are on the right track. Most of what is known of the history of #16R should be found in this thread:

Now this should be exciting - McLaren versus Enzo on 5th Gear... (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=593482)

>8^)
ER
:runaround: Oujeah, I have seen this. So the car......this LM is the 016R?!?!?!?!
Just unbelievable!!!!! I can't believe this. The car which I have seen back in 1996 at Helsinki, is the same car on 5th Gears program?! HOH WOH. No I really lost the words.

Looking forward to seeing those pics Sami :thumbsup:

Okey, I'will show them, when I got them back!

BUT I just wondered, the 5th Gear's McLaren F1 LM is not the orginal, one of the 5 made LM's? Am I right or....?

The 5th Gear Mclaren was #16R, the FINA GTR car you have seen in Helsinki, but is now converted to the road and made to look like an LM

The car on 5th Gear was never an LM - in fact, if you look closely you'll see the GTR logo on the wheels and the windsheild banner. Though never actually calling it an "F1 GTR", at about the 3:30 mark of the video Tiff says something like: "This is a race car that has been converted back for use on the road."

>8^)
ER

Okey, finally I start understand this about this all something. So the 5th Gear McLaren F1 is not LM, previously I thought because the Orange color...:banghead:

But still, It's a really great video clip, the sound everything and I think that Tiff was some kind of heaven when he driven that 016R on the road...:cool:
First time when I saw that clip, I had a knock out. The sound, looks outside, inside, everything. This is just.....:runaround: :cool:

But still....I just can't believe; it's the same car that I saw here, midle of nowhere back in 1996!!!!!! :cool::runaround::runaround:
I wish to photograf that car in its livery today, fortunately I think that is almoust unpossible. :banghead:

I think one think worthwhile to add to this thread that was not commented on yet is GTR #27R. Frequent participants on this forum know quite well that the conversion to road use on that car is currently just a bit of a dream, but the fact that it has been seen wearing the "CIA 4" plate for so long could certainly lead to confusion with newcomers. So, as of this writing, the car picture below has not been converted, but gets an honorable mention anyway.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20G/th_scannen10639_10658.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20G/scannen10639_10658.jpg)

>8^)
ER

Just reliazed.....
Hmmm it can't be...... Or it can be an accidence that IXO Models has 1/43 scale exactly same kind of GTR on their selection. Even the "register plate" is same!
BUT the model year has been writen to the stand 1996, not 1997.
Quite strange accidence I think, or is it? :uhoh:

I have understood, that race GTR's were only made 1997, not 1996?
Am I right?

Here is the evidence :thumbsup:
http://kuva1.kuvablogi.com/iso/img1656777.jpg

But still; it looks great at the glass gabinet, even that the model year is wrong....:cheers:

Sami - GTR #19R was the only longtail GTR assembled in 1996. The rest of them were all completed early on in 1997, including #27R of course, so IXO's year designation would be incorrect if they are referring to that car as a 1996.

Interestingly though - I went back to the description (http://www.racecar.com/carsinternational/stock/mclarenf1gtr.htm) that Cars International have provided for #27R on their website and it states:

"McLaren F1 GTR, chassis number 27R was built for David Morrison, owner of Parabolica Motorsport at the end of 1996 for the 1997 FIA GT Series. It was the last customer car sold of six for the 1997 season, three Gulf cars, two Schnitzer cars and 27R, the Parabolica car."

So that sort of contradicts what it shown on the chassis history poster that is included with "Driving Ambition" but it may explain why IXO has the year as 1996.

>8^)
ER

OK! Once again the clear answer!
Thank you very much! So at the end; the right chassis number of IXO's model is 19R or 27R. Depends how you look the history.
Great, thanks really much!

I've red that link, where was that great story of 27R, but didn't remember that link on the morning. But thanks, now I know the story of that scale model! :cheers:

Well I would suggest that IXO's model is designed to be a replica of the current look worn by #27R, with no relation to #19R. I only mentioned #19R because it seems that is the only longtail GTR that McLaren themselves shows to have been completed in 1996.

>8^)
ER

Well I would suggest that IXO's model is designed to be a replica of the current look worn by #27R, with no relation to #19R. I only mentioned #19R because it seems that is the only longtail GTR that McLaren themselves shows to have been completed in 1996.

>8^)
ER

Yep, It could be really like that. Anyway, mainthing is that the real car is exist. And the model is desinged to a real car.:popcorn:

27R,s build completion was 7th March 97 painted in "Ferrari yellow" :runaround: (bet Ron was not too pleased with that :naughty: )

Note;- Chassis 028 uses the central monocoque first plated as 027. Which was damaged in shakedown and subsequently repaired and badged 028, as a spare chassis.


19R,s Completion date was 18th Nov 96..... No more GTR,s were completed in 96.

Thanks for the extra detail sir! :salute:

>8^)
ER

27R,s build completion was 7th March 97 painted in "Ferrari yellow" :runaround: (bet Ron was not too pleased with that :naughty: )

Note;- Chassis 028 uses the central monocoque first plated as 027. Which was damaged in shakedown and subsequently repaired and badged 028, as a spare chassis.


19R,s Completion date was 18th Nov 96..... No more GTR,s were completed in 96.

Very interesting detail information!
Thank you! So...the IXO Model is 19R. Case closed. :cool::cheers:

Very interesting detail information!
Thank you! So...the IXO Model is 19R. Case closed. :cool::cheers:

No:nono: Sami, The model in your pic, is 27R Goodwood 2005. The year date is wrong on the models plinth.

No:nono: Sami, The model in your pic, is 27R Goodwood 2005. The year date is wrong on the models plinth.

Now this is getting an interesting! HOH why the date is wrong, scale models should be very detailed!... :eek7:
So the 27R was at the Goodwood 2005 with that registerplate seen on the scalemodel?!

Well anyway, atleast the car is exist. One thing is for sure. :iceslolan

So the 27R was at the Goodwood 2005 with that registerplate seen on the scalemodel?!

Indeed - the two photos of it I had posted that you quoted on the last page are from the Goodwood FOS in 2005 when #27R was positioned on the lawn in front of what I believe is Lord March's house.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong on that last little detail about the house, as I have certainly never been there myself.

>8^)
ER

Indeed - the two photos of it I had posted that you quoted on the last page are from the Goodwood FOS in 2005 when #27R was positioned on the lawn in front of what I believe is Lord March's house.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong on that last little detail about the house, as I have certainly never been there myself.

>8^)
ER

Yes, I expected that it would be question about those two shots early seen on the forum. But nice to know, the scale model is 27R, if someone asks....:popcorn:

Indeed - the two photos of it I had posted that you quoted on the last page are from the Goodwood FOS in 2005 when #27R was positioned on the lawn in front of what I believe is Lord March's house.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong on that last little detail about the house, as I have certainly never been there myself.

>8^)
ER

No correction needed :)

You all maybe have seen this Supercars.net (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/www.supercars.net) website, and have seen this McLaren F1 LM (http://www.supercars.net/cars/1180.html) section there.
This is typical example for "looks same, yes it is same".:iceslolan.

A few larger pics of XP1 LM is right, but then there has those 6 different images. The three right ones are LM, which one? My infromations tells me that it must be LM2, 3 or 5. Which one this is?

The rest four have been taken different place, different background than that LM car has.
Windscreen banner has clear "GTR" texture in it. No roof scoop, this must be 1995 year GTR, but which #07R or #08R?
This information I have, these are the only two converted 95' GTR's which have got the Orange repaint.

Here is couple of more images (http://www.supercars.net/Gallery?cmd=viewCarGallery&carID=1180&pgID=1), same cars showed.
I'm 99% sure the LM is same car every image, or is it? Difficult to say but seems like it, if you look the background closely.

:)

The 3 right ones are XP1LM as per the decal on the lower side in front of the rear wheel, possibly taken by Al (?)..

The 3 left hand side pics are of #16R (you can just about make out the registration plate M700BHP on the 3rd pic...)

OK all clear. :lol2:

Hello,

I am looking for #07R, #11R, #13R different plates actually and in the past to solve another puzzle.

Thank you
Phil

Phil, you have a PM ;)

thank you Greg.

I missed something ? You say #08R is street legal. I don't see any plate on this. what is the story of #08R ?

Phil

thank you Greg.

I missed something ? You say #08R is street legal. I don't see any plate on this. what is the story of #08R ?

Phil

Was it DocGTR who told me about this, when I asked it recently;
it's still guite much full racespec, but still legal to drive local streets. It's located I think Bahrain today, so
NOW we have to remember; Bahrain and Dubai and sorf of countries has a bit different culture these things than we have here Europe.....:biggrin:

Phil - You can get away with a lot when your father is the King. ;)

I could have sworn there was a photo of the car wearing a plate, but I've either lost the image or am losing my mind. :grinno:

>8^)
ER