GTR's converted to road-use

Yes Sami & co., it's almost untouched in that it is still in race specs and if I remember correctly McLaren sold it "ready to be raced" to the current owner, so I'd bet it's not street legal anywhere else. Just compare the engine bay to the other converted GTRs. I've seen the videos it driving on the public roads in Bahrain but if I remember correctly, the video did not show if it has any plates, but maybe it's so well known car there that it doesn't need them either. :wink:

Seems odd to get a GTR, make it 'look like an LM' but not put plates on it

I think Erik has it right though; when your Dad makes the rules..... :naughty:

Yes Sami & co., it's almost untouched in that it is still in race specs and if I remember correctly McLaren sold it "ready to be raced" to the current owner, so I'd bet it's not street legal anywhere else. Just compare the engine bay to the other converted GTRs. I've seen the videos it driving on the public roads in Bahrain but if I remember correctly, the video did not show if it has any plates, but maybe it's so well known car there that it doesn't need them either. :wink:

This case is quite incredible, I have to say.
In Finland I think you will end up behind bars, if you even try to ask registering GTR McLaren under Finish registery....:biggrin:

I think one of the bigest reasons to repaint GTR an Orange is the publicity.
If you really want people seen you, keep it the racing livery. If you do not want people seen you every where you go, paint it Orange or Black or something.
Of course the efect of LM is strong, and the history of McLaren speaks of an Orange color....

But still...If I had GTR McLaren; it would be racing livery; Le Mans or BPR, defenitely.:wink:

Hi all, i hav`nt been on this forum for ages, but i thought of this forum when i made some scanns of my old pics of #011R.

Cool - thanks for the history. I love the old photos! :)

I don't recognize your avatar either. Are you able to share a larger version of that shot with us please?

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Cool - thanks for the history. I love the old photos! :)

I don't recognize your avatar either. Are you able to share a larger version of that shot with us please?

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My avatar is a scann of #051, but i think its offtopic to post that one here ;-)

I did some thing wrong when i tryed to post this pics on the Japanese thread, anyway this is some pics i made of #051 a couple of years ago.

It's cool - I was just going to move them over to the Euro fleet thread instead, but they can stay here. It's fine. :)

Definitely appreciate you digging them out to share. :thumbsup:

BTW: Maybe you would prefer this version of your picture for your avatar?

http://i44.tinypic.com/2agwbb.jpg

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Didn't know you could take #06R for a spin - found this
...missed the chance to drive this at a corporate day out. Another good friend said it was amazing.http://thumbsnap.com/s/6XyvtMMt.jpg|http://thumbsnap.com/6XyvtMMt (http://http://thumbsnap.com/s/6XyvtMMt.jpg|http://thumbsnap.com/6XyvtMMt)


And he also said this about #16R -
A good friend of mine did buy #16[r] recently so once its back from woking and road ready im heading over his way.....Staying Papaya for now....

Staying papaya :angryfire

You wanna spring for the cost of the paint job Chris? :uhoh: :lol2:

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You wanna spring for the cost of the paint job Chris?

True. You didn't see it in the Fina livery though, it was incredible. Photos did not do it justice. I'm just not a fan of papaya GTR's

it would be crimial to repaint 06R, as for being road legal, I thought most of us knew that it was also used as a road car usually driven to and from events.

Chris and I are discussing a repaint of #16R - one of the currently Orange GTRs. I don't think either of us would ever advocate a respray on #06R.

Greg's comment is about the apparent chance that was offered for individuals to take #06R for a drive at this recent Brands Hatch track event:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWdzJl0j858

Certainly explains why in the video the car is being driven about 7/10ths if there were people behind the wheel who had found themselves lucky to be there.

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Didn't know you could take #06R for a spin - found this


And he also said this about #16R -

:runaround: :lol2: Greg; Fantastic.

And what comes to #16R, OK. Staying Papa Orange, OK. Well that's better than repaint it. Still hoping someday it could have back it's Le Mans or Silverstone livery from 1996.

Greg; you don't know anything more about #16R than this quoted text?

it would be crimial to repaint 06R, as for being road legal, I thought most of us knew that it was also used as a road car usually driven to and from events.

Yep! I think if #06R had repainted, it would have been done a long long time ago. Fortunately, Harrods livery stayed!

But let's just hope that #05R will keep it's YACCO livery also!

Certainly explains why in the video the car is being driven about 7/10ths if there were people behind the wheel who had found themselves lucky to be there.

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I think I would have needed some Nitro's after that.......:iceslolan
It's quite incredible if really they have given this car to be driven many people, not just the owner closest friends.

#12R spotted in Woking

just seen a McLaren F1 in woking, it looked like it had come straight off the track, had gulf colours and logos all over it.

Good to see it's out and about

#12R spotted in Woking



Good to see it's out and about

And there is the answer; what I was looking for. #06R and #12R both still racelivery, fantastic. :cheers:

Damn, everyday I swear we don't have here at Finland any F1's! :frown:

I dig out the thread with a pic of #12R at Le Mans 97'

Probably not new but not sure.

The pic was taken by Lord Brett


http://img296.imagevenue.com/loc510/th_752494130_mclf1g10_122_510lo.jpg (http://img296.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=752494130_mclf1g10_122_510lo.jpg)

Great picture Phil - looks just like it did when I saw it at Silverstone, with the man himself driving it, a year or so later

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/6-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/5-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/4-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/2-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/3-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/1-6.jpg

One of the most epic F1 trip in my mind.

#03R, #05R, #15R and #19R added and some pics re-hosted, to bring this up to date [not yet added #21R nor #27R as both haven't been seen on the street yet ;)]

Road trip to Le Mans in 1997 in #12R - great pics and a great story :thumbsup:

http://cars.mclaren.com/featured-articles/road-to-le-mans.html

Still not a fan of longtails being converted. They look like they're floating or on stilts.

Road trip to Le Mans in 1997 in #12R - great pics and a great story :thumbsup:

http://cars.mclaren.com/featured-articles/road-to-le-mans.html

There was an article about this trip in the bmw magazine in '97 :)

Can you scan it someway here?!

Anyway, it was a brilliant story. Very special. The car which run 9th in 1996, was back in Le Mans year after with road plates.
Which else car would do this thing.. :D

There you go Sami!Didn't know you can speak and read german! :)

http://up.picr.de/21721191ut.jpg

http://up.picr.de/21721192hh.jpg

http://up.picr.de/21721193sg.jpg

http://up.picr.de/21721194zx.jpg

Well just hoped to see the story with an images, is there new ones. :lol2:

Just a quick scan of Autocar from today

http://i.imgur.com/b2FeMB8.jpg

;)

wow interesting and would be awesome to spot on the road:)

That is going to be some beast.

A road going P1 converted as a track day toy is called P1 GTR.
Then rumours came up a for a road going P1 GTR, and confirmed recently.
But why making a fast car into an even more brutal machine and then convert it . . . back.
The only answer I think, is some extra cash in short period.

If they did a proper job, convert a P1 for a racing category and go racing with it. And make it a class winning machine, and you create good history.
After, or in the end, conversions for road use can be an option.
This could even make more money, but cost some extra time and effort.
Why? Because a good road going chassis which wins races makes it's value.

But McLaren lost the word COMPETITION from their dictionary, they even didn't even want to face a standard P1 in competition on a TV show . . . very weak.

So, McLaren, if you think you build fast cars, prove it in a battle field, called competition, racing ;)

A bit wishfull thinking, a new championship; LaF XX + 918 XX + P1 GTR in one field to face competition could be a cracking series.

Between, the start in 2011 with a MP-4/12C based GT3 car was superbe.
When the P1 came up, I thought and hoped for another racer too.
And probably this is where I get wrong.
Why? The carbon tub (chassis) base is the same for a P1 as the older MP-4/12C, off course some modification where made, and it's roof / tub connection are massively improved, but the base is the same.
The same is the combustion engine. It's basicly the same. And yes, there are various differences made such as crank shaft, turbo's, ICU's, additional electric motors and so on, but it's start point is still the same.

Correct me if I got wrong, but should the base of the chassis and engine be the limit for a P1 GTR and therefore no racing?

Hopefully, patience could be a thing ;)

Does anyone have any timings associated to when the GTR's were converted for road use?

I can offer a little help here, I think.

02R done by Lanzante for Jake Ulrich in June 2000.

03R done by Lanzante for Christian Glaesel in February 2013.

05R done by Lanzante for Ray Bellm and partners in April 2012.

06R done by a third party for David Clark prior to June 2005.

07R done by McLaren Customer Care for Larry Kinch in August 2000.

08R done by McLaren Customer Care for Sheikh Abdulla prior to March 2005.

10R done by McLaren Customer Care for Nick Mason in December 1999.

11R done by McLaren Customer Care for Tom Bryant-Meisner in March 2002.

12R not certain who did the conversion, but plated and driven to Le Mans in 1997 by Ray Bellm, so just prior to that.

13R done by McLaren Customer Care for Detlef Hubner in October 2006.

14R done by McLaren Customer Care for John Studholme in April 2001.

15R done by Lanzante for Roald Goethe in October 2013.

16R done by Lanzante (I believe) for Ray Bellm in August 2002.

19R done by Lanzante for Richard Smith in April 2015.

21R wears a plate from the Jersey Islands, but apparently was never actually converted.

27R done by Lanzante for the Leadley family in July 2012.

28R coming soon from Lanzante. ;)

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So very few actually still in race trim, not that I am surprised as if I actually got to own one I would want to drive it more often than the odd track day.

12 to go still - we can assume that the three that McLaren own and the 3 that BMW own will be immune from the process unless they change hands.

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Can't see 01R ever being converted, 04R possibly if it gets sold. I think less chance of long-tails being converted.
Agree BMW have no reason to convert theirs to road-going.

This was very good information! Good to know the years!!!
Thanks Erik!

I would thought that #12R and #16R were those very first ones. But #02R's and #14R's case was surprise.

Thanks Sami! As I told Greg, it was a very good question and one that we hadn't thought to compile the data on previously. I was happy to do the research. :)

Thankfully most are registered in the UK which makes it quite easy to use the registration plate number to look up the date of first registration in the public records. That gives a fairly rough estimation of when the work was done on each car, I'd say, as the final step in the process would be obtaining the MOT certificate.

06R is the exception in that regard, as the plate on it "P440 CPJ" had previously been the plate fitted to F1 road car, chassis 039. I'm therefore not confident of whether the [18 DECEMBER 1996] date that DVLA provides in their results relates to the road car or the GTR's first registration, but a pretty good hunch and a story I once heard leads me to speculate that it could easily be the road car's instead.

Photos I have seen of 06R prior to 2005 don't show that registration plate fitted. My earliest reference of it wearing that plate occurred during the Alfred Dunhill Motorities Tour (https://www.classicdriver.com/en/article/alfred-dunhill-motorities-tour) from London to Paris in June 2005.

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I also thought 02R was converted much latter as it was to my knowledge never out on the roads before the return to Gulf livery. Although saying that I had heard quite some time ago that a blue GTR was seen on the roads in the north of England around 2004-2006?

I'm fairly sure that date would be accurate, and was already aware it had been an early conversion.

A great number of years ago I exchanged emails with someone who had shared a small photo online of 02R in full blue paint, yellow wheels, and missing the rear wing. He explained that the reason the wing was removed was due to the road conversion process and indicated it was an old photo, but wouldn't share anything more.

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That sounds very much the description I was told though there was no comment on the rear wing or lack of at the time probably because the observer was not aware that it should have had one fitted.

Just looked it up - our conversation started over 12 years ago and in one of his replies he wrote:

"The photo was taken with no wing after we had converted it to Road legal cats."

Also mentioned it was at the Lanzante workshop in that time period.

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Very interesting story about this #02R. So it stayed blue-yellow livery quite long then after the active racing years. But without rear wing it must looked quite interesting!
Happy end this one, now it has that Le Mans GULF livery. Fortunately!

And what comes #06R, why it has road cars plates then.... Very interesting. Why #039 left those plates then....? And what plates it has now then?

I may be wrong (often am) but I believe the rear wing was re-instated quite soon after conversion.

Not sure if this question belongs in this thread but has anyone got any detailed pictures of the inside of the left side pod on 1995 GTR.
I suspect some may have been converted to the latter 1996 fuel system and maybe even one converted to the road car system?
I have been given a diagram and explanation of the 1995 fuel system but I would really like actual photographs of the area.
Many thanks in advance.

Do you mean the 'luggage compartment'?, and left from viewed from the front or left as you sit in the car?

Hopefully as you sit in the car, so...

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/183/nPhczw.jpg

Yes that's the right side Greg however it looks as though this car has been converted to 1996 spec fuel system with the external pumps.
I have seen 2 pictures of the 1995 configuration since placing this post even then the 2 have differences as can be expected of cars used in racing as they tend to evolve to improve competitiveness.
Anyway thanks Greg everything helps

road converted GTR (sorry for the poor shot)

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/img924/1471/nq1iUI.jpg

Seems that almost no two are the same, all have similarities but while they originally had in tank pumps apparently it seems many have been modified into a myriad of configurations.
Saying that this photograph is extremely good quality and great detail.
Thanks