Kr 211v '06

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Roca46

11-02-2006, 02:49 PM

Hey guys after seeing that Tamiya has released the 06 rc211v I decided to make the Proton KR 06 because the bike use the same engine so well we will see what happens, I'm currently using a new way to make the scratch build of the body that i have never used before

This project will be long... I learned with the Aprilia that I can make only the things in the good way when I have the pleasure and the desires of doing it.
So i don't know when will be here the next update becuase i'm "playing" with this type of bodys anyhow I hope to put more pictures soon

Here we can see the body cut of (using a side of the bike) next step will be make the shapes looking from the top view. second step: I will put the mori mori putty over the body, after polished next step will be the copy in resin and the latest polished.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3505/proton1qf9.jpg
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8350/proton2yg4.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8883/proton3zc3.jpg

I don't know when I will post updates.... but I hope (and i'm sure) that you liked it.

PS: I'm still having the RS Cube on my mind.. just i have to find the way to continue with it

Bye
Roca

G-man422

11-02-2006, 02:55 PM

Cant wait for some updates!

willimo

11-02-2006, 08:23 PM

If your Cube is any indication, this will be fun to watch. What are you using to cut the foam? You seem to be avoiding the crumbly nature of expanded styrofoam. You more often see extruded foam used for this, because it cuts more easily and is more resiliant to cutting, shaping, and whatever surface treatment you intend to use.

Pippin1974

11-03-2006, 01:01 AM

The foam is a very good idea.....but..if you put liquid silicone on it....can the foam melt???
You also have to say how do you do the silicone mold....and the products you use....Thanks..and ..good luck!

Roca46

11-04-2006, 07:00 AM

What are you using to cut the foam?

A hobby knife carefully with up and down slowly movements

What do you think about the first polished?

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8682/proton4qi2.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/9594/proton5nh4.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6519/proton6zh9.jpg

This way to make bodys seems that work
A lot of work to do... more pics next days

Roca46

11-04-2006, 07:02 AM

if you put liquid silicone on it....can the foam melt???

I don't know but the foam shape is the base because it will be covered with a coat of putty (mori mori) and once polished I will try to make the mold

Lutz-Bikes

11-04-2006, 08:46 AM

Hi Roca;

Nice build so far ,hope you finish it well .
Good Luck
Lutz

robrex

11-04-2006, 04:01 PM

Good idea with the foam Roca. It looks great so far!

Roca46

11-05-2006, 11:26 AM

Hey guys thank's

I think the tank needs a little more polish anyhow next days I will try to put over the piece the putty

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1025/proton7ic8.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8669/proton8pj0.jpg
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/9127/proton9cd3.jpg

Bye!!

91p10nizmo

11-05-2006, 08:55 PM

Looking good. I dont have a clue what sort of bike you are doing, but im sure you will do it justice.

BugZilla

11-07-2006, 10:09 PM

Nice start Roca. I like the foam method for roughing in the shapes.

I'll keep my eye on this one too.

Dave

Pippin1974

11-24-2006, 01:36 AM

What about the WIP???? Come on Roca!!! show us your progress!

Roca46

11-24-2006, 08:52 AM

Hi guys

Unfortunately I tried to work with the putty over a piece of foam to see what happens and how I was thinking it melts so I decided to make the silicone mold directly from the foam shape.

You will have news soon

Bye!!!

Roca.

Roca46

01-16-2007, 11:53 AM

For those who wants to follow this project check out mi website
Bye.

The Sheene Machine

01-16-2007, 02:26 PM

For those who wants to follow this project check out mi website
Bye.

Coming along very nicely - should be a unique model when it's finished. :smokin:

Roca46

03-02-2008, 01:54 PM

geronimo77

03-03-2008, 02:48 PM

Great work.
What is that material what you used for making the tank and seatcowl?
look kinda foam or sponge

Roca46

03-03-2008, 11:57 PM

Great work.
What is that material what you used for making the tank and seatcowl?
look kinda foam or sponge

Thank you,
The material was foam, it is special to sculpt but in the first picture of the tank and the cowl on the frame it was in resin, I always want to make the main shape with foam, then work a little with it and then copy the piece in resin, resin is a harder material and I can work better with it.

Bye!

Roca46

03-06-2008, 12:02 AM

Now I remember why I stoped to put pictures here.

Bye.

geronimo77

03-06-2008, 12:55 AM

Now I remember why I stoped to put pictures here.

Bye.

Why?
I really like your work. Awesome scratchbuild. I wondering how you will make the decal? Laserprinter?

joelwideqvist

03-06-2008, 02:07 AM

I am really stunned by your work and your ambition. That frame looks as it is getting somewhere. Body parts also looks great.

I must say that last remark of yours had quite a sour taste to it, Roca.... The number of comments isn't linear to the amount of ohhs and ahhs in front of the screen. And I comment at my own choice and not to satisfy someones ego.
best regards
Joel

gionc

03-06-2008, 03:07 AM

Now I remember why I stoped to put pictures here.

Bye.

I guess you must be right :D
Like ever, stunning job.

Roca46

03-06-2008, 09:55 AM

Why?
I really like your work. Awesome scratchbuild. I wondering how you will make the decal? Laserprinter?

The first test I will do it with my own printer (Inkjet printer Epson Photo R800) if I will sell the kit, I think I will contact to some companies to make the decals.

I am really stunned by your work and your ambition. That frame looks as it is getting somewhere. Body parts also looks great.

I must say that last remark of yours had quite a sour taste to it, Roca.... The number of comments isn't linear to the amount of ohhs and ahhs in front of the screen. And I comment at my own choice and not to satisfy someones ego.
best regards
Joel

Why I said this? Because there isn't an interest in the motorbikes forum (not just my thread), just check my last line on the post of the pictures, I ask to any moderator the change the title of the thread, but it still the same.
I don't want to show you my work only to say ohhs or ahhs, I put the work here because I want to know your opinion about if everything is right, I do the work but for my it's very important to know the opinion of the people, I think this is how I make my models. I'm a little disappointed that after that work only 3 or 4 give me an opinion (thank you guys) but we start again with the problem of the board, I suppose I remember other times when with a lot of comments or when I was on the car subforum.
I always said the same, we (those who love the motorcycle modeling) need a BIG forum, I tried it but it was a disaster, so I think the forum shouldn't belong to any site, just a forum.

I don't want to have problems or something like this, I will be here the next weekend to update the project, with replys or without replys.

Let's go ready for Qatar GP!!

Thank you mates! :)

geronimo77

03-06-2008, 11:19 AM

joelwideqvist

03-06-2008, 12:07 PM

Ok, I get your point. One thing I would like more of in your threads is some references to what you are trying to accomplish. Photos of the real thing followed by your interpretation. If you are lazy like me you can't hope for me to get the Pitwalk collection out every time I look at the threads. With that I would also be able to come with constructive critisism instead of just ohhs and ahhs. Remember that you are working on an arena where many of your viewers haven't even seen a KR bike.

best regards
Joel

dlphnfn

03-06-2008, 01:43 PM

Remember that you are working on an arena where many of your viewers haven't even seen a KR bike.Like me!! :icon16:
Nice scratch building though! Those are some clean looking parts. I'll be keeping my eyes on this one for sure.
Erick --

Roca46

03-06-2008, 11:57 PM

This is what i wanted to ask - are you going to produce this bike, or you make it only for yourself.
Because if it will be on a good price (not on MFH level :) ) then i think i will buy one, although it is not a Rossi machine.
Keep up the good work , and please do not stop posting!

Hi geronimo77, It depends of the final result, if it is good it is possible to be for sale, but I hope not to have problems with the KR team, I ask they for a few photos and they asked me what I was going to do with the model...If it was for my personal use... I told them the truth and I get no reply.

Ok, I get your point. One thing I would like more of in your threads is some references to what you are trying to accomplish. Photos of the real thing followed by your interpretation. If you are lazy like me you can't hope for me to get the Pitwalk collection out every time I look at the threads. With that I would also be able to come with constructive critisism instead of just ohhs and ahhs. Remember that you are working on an arena where many of your viewers haven't even seen a KR bike.

best regards
Joel

Ok Joel you have reason, next time I will put pictures of the real bike to compare it, maybe this is what this thread needs.

Thank you mates!

geronimo77

03-07-2008, 12:22 AM

Are you going to make p/e also?

Roca46

03-07-2008, 07:28 AM

Are you going to make p/e also?

Yes, I bought the machine from Micro Mark and well I'm sure they will not be like the quality of studio27 for example but I think they will be ok, I read on Internet and the instructions carefully but I still have to practise with it.

hornet1

03-07-2008, 07:56 AM

It´s stunning what you guys are able to do with putty and a few sheets of bare plastic. the reason I don´t post so many replys is: I didn´t show a single modell in the forum and until that changes I don´t think I have the rights to judge about anybody elses work. Thats my point of view. Anyway, Roca, don´t give up and go on like you did in the past, I think there are many modellers watching the threads without posting a reply. I think you do great and I´m curios how the final result will turn out.

Roca46

03-09-2008, 01:12 PM

Well mates, here is the update of this weekend.

I tried to put pictures of the book so you can imagine how it is.

Here is the difference between the old frame and the Japan test frame.
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton91.jpg

Unfortunately I couldn't paint the frame this weekend because I noticed that one of the shapes was too much thin
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton92.jpg

Here is the main shape of the front fender, some extra work to do yet.
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton93.jpg

Working on the swing arm ( a lot of work to do yet, I have to work with the hole of the chain )
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton94.jpg

Here is the difference between the Japan test and the old swing arm
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton95.jpg

The upper cowl
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton96.jpg
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton97.jpg
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton98.jpg

And here is the work of the rest of the cowl, this part is a very difficult but I have to do a lot of work yet, the image shows only the putty on it to work with it.
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton99.jpg
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton100.jpg
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton101.jpg

I hope you enjoy seeing the pictures, hope to put more the next weekend. I have to say that some shapes that aren't equal as the real bike have to be revised, I'm making only the base.

Roca.

geronimo77

03-09-2008, 02:49 PM

Great work Roca!
Seems quite difficult the make the right shape.
Do you know the company CGM? They produce transkit for Yamaha '07.

Roca46

03-09-2008, 04:16 PM

Great work Roca!
Seems quite difficult the make the right shape.
Do you know the company CGM? They produce transkit for Yamaha '07.

Thank you geronimo,
Yes I know the CGM I think it is from Modulo who made the KR211V also, but I can see some things that may be wrong on their model, If it is late version, they are using the old frame, and for the picture that I can see, the old swing arm, on the other hand they get a great shape, just like the real bike.
An important point which I will concentrate and try is the detail, those transkits bikes (those which were made from 0 or 10%) don't have details, its just a bike with a nice shape, and I hope to change this vision of that models. This point will be hard to do because there aren't a lot of photos of the bike, but I done a lot of research and I think It will be nice.

At this point there is a lot of work to do, I don't have a date of end, so I will keep my hands on this bike every weekend.

Roca.

geronimo77

03-10-2008, 05:00 AM

rrutherford

03-10-2008, 07:20 AM

well done Roca dude, good eye detail, remember that all great things take time, well Stoner winning again, excussed lol.:iceslolan

Rod.

joelwideqvist

03-10-2008, 02:24 PM

Now this was what I meant!! I know see what work you are investing. May I ask what tools you use to work on the putty/resin?
/joel

The Sheene Machine

03-10-2008, 03:44 PM

Have you ever seen a CGM product live.
I found here some interesting things. Most of them sold out but several yamaha transkits are still available
http://www.raccoon-auto.com/minicar/main.htm
but i'm not sure about the quality of their decals and casting.

BTW you should log in sometimes to MSN to discuss some thing offline :cool:

Judging by the pics on the site and on Moto Modelling, these kits look pretty good. At least the Assen version is complete, which is more than can be said for the Renaissance kit!

I'm keen to buy a few of these, but theres no english on the site though!! :banghead:

Awesome work Roca - you have some talent there. :smokin:

Roca46

03-11-2008, 01:23 AM

Thank you mates!!

Have you ever seen a CGM product live.

Yes, I bought the Suzuki GSX-R from 2005, and as I said the shape is perfect, but for example the exhaust pipe is solid it doesn't have a hole... but for Yamahas they will look better I'm sure, because the M1 it's a little similar like the tamiya's one, it isn't the same make a GSX-R and an M1

BTW you should log in sometimes to MSN to discuss some thing offline :cool:

Yes I think so but the only time I have is to see my e-mail and visit this forum, anyway I should try to connect the weekends morning :grinyes:

Now this was what I meant!! I know see what work you are investing. May I ask what tools you use to work on the putty/resin?
/joel

I'm happy to know that this was you meant finally I get the solution :) , the tools I use to work with the putty and the resin, well the most important, the hands (to put putty on the piece I use my fingers, with they, the putty is added to the surface smoothly, the second and very important a lots of sandpaper, a few file to smooth some areas, and the miniplex machine to eat the areas where are a lot of material.

Thank's again for the support, I hope to put more pictures this weekend.
Roca.

The Sheene Machine

03-11-2008, 03:28 PM

Thank you mates!!

Yes, I bought the Suzuki GSX-R from 2005, and as I said the shape is perfect, but for example the exhaust pipe is solid it doesn't have a hole... but for Yamahas they will look better I'm sure, because the M1 it's a little similar like the tamiya's one, it isn't the same make a GSX-R and an M1

I have been in touch with them and have ordered two #46 M1 kits...I'll let you both know what they are like when they arrive, which should be in about two weeks. The 05 GSX-R looks great. :smokin:

Looking forward to the update Roca...:)

Roca46

03-18-2008, 01:23 PM

Hey guys,

I come the be with the KR, unfortunately I don't have photos, I have some difficulties on the frame:

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton102.jpg

the image on the left shows the shape of the real bike and the area that you can see of the frame with yellow putty is too much long, too much rounded and also the distance of the angle have to be more long, all I can say is that in the left side of the frame this problem has been solved (at least it get a better look) Tomorrow I will go on the other side and update the thread with photos, and also I hope to have the frame for this weekend, but if I see something wrong I will stop and look for the part to make.

It is a difficult point, but once I finish the frame, I will start to write in a notebook all I have to do and the next steps.

Bye
Roca

Roca46

03-19-2008, 01:15 PM

Sorry guys, this evening I had to go out and I couldn't do anything new, I hope tomorrow morning to update the thread.

Roca.

Ole_L

03-20-2008, 05:08 AM

That is just the most challenging project I've ever seen. I can't imagine the patience you have.

The Sheene Machine

03-20-2008, 07:46 AM

Sorry guys, this evening I had to go out and I couldn't do anything new, I hope tomorrow morning to update the thread.

Roca.

No need to apologise, this is hardly a OOB build!! :p

geronimo77

03-20-2008, 01:29 PM

Looks a quite challenging job :)

I really look forward to hear about CGM kits :) anyway i think they are too expensive and i will create it myself :) the only issue is the decal. Hope some company will release them (Fiat is already released by MC)

Roca46

03-20-2008, 03:14 PM

Hey mates, here is the update, a bit late but...

Well, as you can see I give it a shape, and a thin coat of putty, now it is been going to the correct way, and the other side is on the way.

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton103.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton106.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton107.jpg

Here you can see the red line where I have to polish.
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton110.jpg

That is the other side, you can see that the shape is too much rounded as I said in the post above
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton104.jpg

Here maybe is too many putty but I prefer to give it a shape later.
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton105.jpg

Also I noticed that the tank was to short so I extended it a little.
http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton108.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton109.jpg

Hope you like it guys and hope to put more tomorrow.
Bye
Roca.

geronimo77

03-20-2008, 03:30 PM

Great work so far.
Why dont you use the poliester putty of Tamiya. I really like to use that . much better than the standard putty

hornet1

03-20-2008, 03:38 PM

hi guys, first of all I want to congratulate roca for the work he has done so far. very stunning and I guess time consuming. but I have a question, where do you get (order) those CGM Kits because this RACOON hp is only in japanese. is there another source, any hints would be welcome. thanks in advance and happy modeling

Roca46

03-26-2008, 12:29 PM

Well guys, here is a little work, I have seen some areas that have to be polished so I hope to paint the frame as soon as I have all smooth.

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton111.jpg

Also I have to make this area more wide and I worked with the interior part of the frame to allow the engine to be there so this is one of the causes that I couldn't paint the frame.

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton112.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton113.jpg

geronimo, I have to test that putty
Bye
Roca.

The Sheene Machine

03-26-2008, 02:57 PM

Superb stuff Roca - you must have the patience of a saint!! :)

hi guys, first of all I want to congratulate roca for the work he has done so far. very stunning and I guess time consuming. but I have a question, where do you get (order) those CGM Kits because this RACOON hp is only in japanese. is there another source, any hints would be welcome. thanks in advance and happy modeling

I just emailed the site direct and got a reply from a guy called Kazuko. After an exchange of info to confirm what I wanted, I had to wait about 10 days. I then had another email confirming my order was ready and then paid via Paypal. Kazuko has been very helpful. My order is coming via EMS at about £11 to the UK for two kits. :)

Sorry to hijack your thread Roca...:worshippy

hornet1

03-27-2008, 05:13 PM

@The sheene machine : thanks a lot for the reply, I will try to email them like you mentioned it and see what happens. could you please add the e-mail adress, link to the homepage, thanks in advance.
@roca : great work so far, where do you get the meassurements for your scratchbuilding projekts? How long does it usually take to complete a modell like this one? questions after questions.
best regards and happy modelling

Roca46

03-29-2008, 02:08 AM

where do you get the meassurements for your scratchbuilding projekts? How long does it usually take to complete a modell like this one?

Books, magazines, internet, and also my drawings made in corel draw. It takes (and I will tell you exactly, at least the date of the thread) From 11-02-2006 to now, so you can see how the work is.

Thank's guys for your comments.
Roca

The Sheene Machine

03-29-2008, 04:53 AM

Roca - as I said you must have some patience! :)

@The sheene machine : thanks a lot for the reply, I will try to email them like you mentioned it and see what happens. could you please add the e-mail adress, link to the homepage, thanks in advance.

best regards and happy modelling

Here you go - http://www.raccoon-auto.com/minicar/main.htm

The email address is in the left column. :)

joelwideqvist

03-30-2008, 02:30 AM

Ohh, really great progress Roca. From a guy that thinks it is pretty troublesome to erase the mold lines on a basic Tamiya kit I must say you are fantastic with your putty work!
/Joel - who hasn't been able to connect to AF for three weeks because of some peering issues..

geronimo77

03-31-2008, 12:46 AM

Roca - as I said you must have some patience! :)

Here you go - http://www.raccoon-auto.com/minicar/main.htm

The email address is in the left column. :)

Cant wait to see some review.
BTW i was considering to scratchbuild that bodywork. Wheels are not necessary because i have a lot of pictures and they used in every race the standard Y spoke wheels. The only question is the decal

Roca46

03-31-2008, 09:48 AM

Thank you guys, the tank and the rear cowl are coming together like the frame... so I think that the frame and these cowls will be ready at the same time, I don't have pictures but all I can say is that the tank is very smooth :lol:

Roca.

Roca46

06-15-2008, 10:13 AM

Well mates... I'm going to have more free time now so I just have some pictures. The last month I had a lot of exams, and I just worked on the past month a little bit every weekend. I know the project is far but every weekend is a little more close and of course it isn't dead.

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton114.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton115.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton116.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton117.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton118.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton119.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton120.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton121.jpg

http://www.rocascalemotorcycles.com/Proyectos/Protonkr/proton122.jpg

As you can see I started with the radiator, anyway I hope to give to the cowl and to the frame a good coat of paint to cover all the surface, we will see how it looks :biggrin:

Sincerely I hope to have mounted at least the bike with the two wheels with the front and rear suspension, the frame, the swing arm and the tank/seat cowl done at the end of the summer.

Bye!
Roca.

joelwideqvist

06-15-2008, 10:45 AM

That tank/seat is amazing! Super work!
joel

Roca46

06-15-2008, 04:13 PM

That tank/seat is amazing! Super work!
joel

Thank you Joel!! Well the tank and the seat are very smooth but I have some small holes on it that I have to fill them with putty. Also the parts where the seat fits to the frame have to be a little bit longer to be positioned correctly.
I spent a lot of time giving it that shape, I have to show you how I have my sandpaper after some time polishing with it the same piece :lol: :lol:

Next step as I said will be to polish that piece and give it a paint coat to the frame and the seat/tank, first, to see if everything is well polished , and second to give it a little bit more of thickness.

I hope to post more images soon

Bye
Roca

joelwideqvist

06-16-2008, 06:55 AM

We're looking forward to it. And please graduate soon so there will be less exams and more spare time ;-)
/Joel

rrutherford

06-16-2008, 07:27 AM

Hi Roca,
you are the MAN to be sur, looking very nice. Much better than my 1/5 scratch Yamaha but then its in metal, lol.

Keep up great work,

Rod.

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