max speed in ur car?

screw up I meant 302cid stupid typo

it would take a hell of a lot to top the stuff this one comes up with.

if you knew anything about gearing and ratios, you'd know that wheel/tyre size, or more accurately, rolling circumfrence has a lot to do with gearing. the tyre surface is the final gearing, larger wheels give higher top speed and lower acceleration, and vise-versa. what the fuck do they have to do with anything? a lot, actually.


Um I have had 17 18 and 19" rims, Its the size of the rims that increase and as it does, the lower the profile tire usually. So overall they are the same size wheels....................... Well on public roads anyway.

the wheel size doesn't matter, the tyre size does. it's the rolling circumfrence that you use in the calculations. and unless your tyres have had the same rolling circumfrence then there's a difference in the gearing.

so, what gears do you have, what's the final drive and what's the engine's maximum rpm?

big bad banstick.

dnt worry ppl, i'll still be around :grinyes:

Some quotes from a friend of mine thats 3kgt expert.

"that statement is fucking impossible"
"2nd gear on a 6 speed barley hits 73 @ 7000"
"and if they race gas for 20psi- they are on fucking crack, vr4 stock runs easily on 24"
"and if the car is a 6spd and does over 100 in 2nd, its top speed would be in excess of 300MPH"
" there were many design changes besides just an addition of an extra gear or two. the housings are tottaly different, as are the tcases, as are many other integral components,the W5MG1 is a 5 Spd AWD. W6MG1 is the 6SPD AWD, Both made by Getrag in Germany."
"there are actually 3 different versions of the W5MG1, 91 technically has the worst of them, 92 being about middle...and LATE 92 and 93 having the stronger W5MG1."
"fucking hilarious, stillen is umm in the US.. and usually doesnt mess with the 3kgt.. usually it is the 300zx's. 4 sec 0-60mph? Stock is 4.1"
"and if it lags til 4K-- something is def really fucking wrong"


I now know alot more about the subject than I cared for, but I just like the fact that a girl knows more about your car than you do.


One flaw in that: Steve Millen does a lot of work in New Zealand, though not as far as I am aware with Mitsubishis and cannot recall him ever driving one in the Targa Tasmania. As far as I'm aware , Millens work was only ever performed on 25 Primeras and around-about 100 Maximas that came off the Assembly line at Nissans Wiri (South Auckland) plant, though he's probably tuned a few private customer cars as well...

Steve has done some work with Toyota - he did a truck for The Race to the Sky but didn't turn up last year (I think it's based on Baja racer). And his workshop was based in California where he lives.

He did some 300ZX's a few years ago too... the Nissan Maximas were licenced to use the Stillen name and he did work on the prototype car but the assembly was outsourced to a crowd in Auckland after they were completed on the CKD assembly line which is long gone...

Is it me or this thread got a little monotonous... personally all this CAPITAL LETTERS YELLING is getting a bit tedious, doncha think?

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

what was the question? 3kgt, just post your ratios already, I'm trying to learn, not get BSed by everyone. when false information flies around too much, everyone in the conversation loses credibility, that's why most people are staying out of this. So truthfully I want to see this come to an end because the suspense is frickin killing me.

I just hit 230 today

in GT4 lol

... but what started this was the claim of 100mph in 2nd gear.
Last time I went 100 in 2nd gear it was in my brother's 1971 Chrysler Newport. Of course it's got a 3 speed transmission and 3.55 rear end. Shifts into 3rd at about 120. :iceslolan And chirps the tires. :bigthumb:

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

what was the question? 3kgt, just post your ratios already, I'm trying to learn, not get BSed by everyone. when false information flies around too much, everyone in the conversation loses credibility, that's why most people are staying out of this. So truthfully I want to see this come to an end because the suspense is frickin killing me.

I just hit 230 today

in GT4 lol

Bah, I've gone over 300 with that Cadillac Cien.


Real life- my Saturn is gov to 110

Manoah - are you sure you're not expressing your speed in kph, instead of mph? That might clear up some confusion.

I did reach the top speed in my Ford, though i can't temember it.

Fastest i've gone otherwise is either in a Saab 9-3 Viggen 2.3T or a Volvo 760 2.8. both around 120-125mph.

Manoah - are you sure you're not expressing your speed in kph, instead of mph? That might clear up some confusion.

This is my speedo

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2122000-2122999/2122764_68_full.jpg

If you are ever in New Plymouth, Hit me up for a blast...................

you ever going to tell us your gear ratios and final drive?

or are you going to give up and admit that you've just been lying?

This is my speedo



Ok, heres some serious questions:
Can you tell us some detailed history of the car?
Who prepared it for the Targa Tasmania?
How far did they get in the preparation?
Was it ever raced?
What condition was it in when you got it?
How did you get hold of it?
Why is it now a road legal car and not a race car?
What other prep was done to it?
Is it a NZ new car or a Jap import?
Where did you do 290kph on NZ roads?


The idea of 500+hp GTO is not all that unusual, nor is the idea of such a car being prepared for a Targa event.
The idea that an ex-race car is now a road legal car is not all that unusual either.
The idea that some guy on an internet forum living in New Plymouth happens to own such a car is possible, but getting to be unlikely.
But, a few details would clear it up. This wouldn't be the first such situation Iv seen that turned out to be quite real.

The idea that an ex-race car is now a road legal car is not all that unusual either.

it doesn't have the usual parts of a race car. (roll cage, race seats, harnesses etc..)

Lying??? so far you have been proven wrong, First with the gear box, Next its going to be the mag which will then prove my cars ability to reach 280kph, the only thing that is questionalble so far is the top speed in second gear from a launch...............

I've actually had an argument at 3si Regarding my car being Ralliart spec or not. I will post a link to the thread which will hopfully help clear some things up..................

it doesn't have the usual parts of a race car. (roll cage, race seats, harnesses etc..)


Iv been in a Pulsar GTiR that had been a Group N rally car in Japan.
I only knew this because the person who was driving it had bought it into the country in its full rally spec. Then removed the cage, Halda, seats, suspension etc, and replaced them standard bits from another wrecked GTiR.
I know of Group N and Group A WRXs and EVOs given the same treatment, and sold to unsuspecting buyers here in NZ, lots of Type R Civics and Integras have come in the same way, and be sold on as standard road cars.

I've actually had an argument at 3si Regarding my car being Ralliart spec or not. I will post a link to the thread which will hopfully help clear some things up..................


If you can answer my very simple question easily and quickly, I will believe you.
Ignore them, and give in-direct and vague answers and the whole story starts to smell like bull shit.

Ok, heres some serious questions:
Can you tell us some detailed history of the car?

Being second owner, The only history I have is really the mag, and the Info that Ralliart NZ have on it the original owner was Petter lawn.............

Who prepared it for the Targa Tasmania?

Rod Millin who was Contracted by Ralliart NZ to prepare the car

How far did they get in the preparation?



Was it ever raced?


What condition was it in when you got it?

Very good condition, car had aprox 94,000km and looked new......
car had a 97 face lift since mag, and a tune up by Ralliart NZ in 99 No Momo Stearing wheel but car had New Alpine subs head unit etc.............

Looked over car and it had all the bits that it did in the mag including Porsche fuel pump, Ferrari F40 Brembo's (although the disks were Ferrari they were not the F40 model that they had in 95), Car had the Twin plate, 6speed conversion, HKS Piggy backs in glove compartment as it did in the mag, susspension units, Exhaust had been replaced with Borla which now has cats, stock Leather seats had been put back in and looked very new, car still had the old Valintine that it did in the mag, and also mags, Paint etc is also the same, you can see where they had done the conversion from the 95 face lift also ....................

How did you get hold of it?

Found on website which advertised a 395kw Mitsubishi GTO at a car sales yard in Greenslane Auckland

Why is it now a road legal car and not a race car?


What other prep was done to it?

I have replace/Updated the old HKS SSQ, samco joins and reconditioned the Twin Plate, have also added 18" mags off my old GTO and added Momo gear to the mod list. replaced Ferrari disks with more affordable APC sloted disks and Ferrari F40 pads with EBC reds


Is it a NZ new car or a Jap import?

Car is not a jap import and is classed as a 3000gt not a GTO

Where did you do 290kph on NZ roads?

I have done 280Kph down the Airport strait which leads to the New Plymouth Airport


The idea of 500+hp GTO is not all that unusual, nor is the idea of such a car being prepared for a Targa event.
The idea that an ex-race car is now a road legal car is not all that unusual either.
The idea that some guy on an internet forum living in New Plymouth happens to own such a car is possible, but getting to be unlikely.
But, a few details would clear it up. This wouldn't be the first such situation Iv seen that turned out to be quite real.

Links to 3SI: http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=342271&page=1&pp=10&highlight=Ralliart

^^ WTF that aint the page, I'll find the email from Ralliart NZ.............. another link: http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=343990&page=1

I would have been 8-9 when this car was being built, No I don't have photo's of them working on it and no I didn't know what a 3000gt/GTO was back then.

Damn... how old are you?

20, car was built/moded in 95. This is the page I've been looking for and where I almost get flamed to death and proven wrong on some fact http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=343072&page=1&pp=10.....................

why don't you show us the chassis data plates and title, if it was built by ralliart it will say.

after that, you can get a video'd dyno run to prove the claimed 530bhp.

Iv been in a Pulsar GTiR that had been a Group N rally car in Japan.
I only knew this because the person who was driving it had bought it into the country in its full rally spec. Then removed the cage, Halda, seats, suspension etc, and replaced them standard bits from another wrecked GTiR.
I know of Group N and Group A WRXs and EVOs given the same treatment, and sold to unsuspecting buyers here in NZ, lots of Type R Civics and Integras have come in the same way, and be sold on as standard road cars.

i've seen that done too. but i just don't believe that this guy's done it. there's nothing to suggest that. and for racing, what use is gearing that allows 100mph in second? like Fred, the only car i've ever been in that could do 100 in second was a 3-speed dragster.

Being second owner, The only history I have is really the mag, and the Info that Ralliart NZ have on it the original owner was Petter lawn.............

so, you bought it from a car lot? you mean to say a guy sold an ex-race car that made 530bhp to a car lot? maybe it's very different in NZ, but tuned cars aren't bought by car lots here.

and if you did, they had no info on the car? if you bought a 530bhp race car to sell on, you'd find out everything about it you could. you'd want to know all that so you could sell it for a lot. cars with race history sell for lots, you want buyers to know all about the car to entise them into paying your [high] asking price.

how much did you pay for it?

Who prepared it for the Targa Tasmania?

Rod Millin who was Contracted by Ralliart NZ to prepare the car

article says Steve Millen built it. strange...

How did you get hold of it?

Found on website which advertised a 395kw Mitsubishi GTO at a car sales yard in Greenslane Auckland

refer to earlier part of post.

find us some actual proof. you can sit an talk all day. talking doesn't constitue to hard facts.

Gotta be a member to read the link mang

It is free to register..................

Gotta be a member to read the link mang
The first link works, Found an interesting quote.... when someone thought that it was rod millen This was the reply

Ron McMillin not Rod Millin......

Ralliart is the performance arm of Mitsubishi, of course they know what a Mitsubishi GTO/3000gt is........

But hey this discusion has already been finalised, and I'm happy to stick to the fact that my car is a Ralliart moded 3000gt at least......

So which is it, Steve Millen, Rod Millen, or Ron Mcmillin?

My car was on the show room floor mate, and it was the oldest (91) car there, they generally sold, 2000+ - New cars all of high quality and with a price tag that went from 50,000NZ second hand - 200,000NZ..............

i've seen that done too. but i just don't believe that this guy's done it. there's nothing to suggest that. and for racing, what use is gearing that allows 100mph in second? like Fred, the only car i've ever been in that could do 100 in second was a 3-speed dragster.



Iv driven a Mk1 escort with a Quaif box in it that would run to 100mph in 2nd gear. A Lotus esprit V8 will run to 60mph in 1st, and close to 100 in second. When you have the power, then its not that uncommon.


so, you bought it from a car lot? you mean to say a guy sold an ex-race car that made 530bhp to a car lot? maybe it's very different in NZ, but tuned cars aren't bought by car lots here.


Its very VERY different here.
Lots of dealers that don't know shit about cars, lots of shady fly by nighters, lots of guys buying and selling cars they often know very little about. There is regulation here, but no requirements to follow it.

The first link works, Found an interesting quote.... when someone thought that it was rod millen This was the reply

Meh I'll have another look at the mag Rod, Ron, Millen, Mcmillen bloody easy to confuse names and give the wrong impression................

The car was being sold on behalf of Peter Lawn, His name is in the mag, he is the guy who sold me this car through a dealer, he had also given me the option to buy the 3000gt, original license plates for extra cost in which I refused.

Ok, easy to fix this.

I rang Ralliart NZ, and talked to Ron McMillin. The guy who built the car.
Its very, VERY real.
It was never turned into a race car because it weighs around 1600kgs, and boiled the brake fluid after only 10 laps of Pukekohe (local track). So there was never a cage etc fitted to it.
It did do a Canon ball run in northern Australia, but was stolen from a shipping container after failing to complete the event, and driven through a fence before being recovered, hence the face lifted body kit thats been fitted, after it had been completely stipped and turned into its current form.
It was originally the second GTO sold new in NZ, so had a long history with Mitsubishi Ralliart, starting with simple mods, before its huge rebuild.
Ron remembered it was making 450hp when he last saw it, down from the 530 it originally made.


Ralliart 3000gt I suggest you ring them (numbers in the book) and ask them about the car with a note pad in hand.
It's been driven around Puke' by Own Evens, and turned in 1'10sec times with road tyres on. He remembers an amazing number of details about the car, and all of its history.

Iv driven a Mk1 escort with a Quaif box in it that would run to 100mph in 2nd gear. A Lotus esprit V8 will run to 60mph in 1st, and close to 100 in second. When you have the power, then its not that uncommon.

i've seen it happen, i have friends in the tuning industry who've told me about it. they don't use it in their cars because they have no need to do 200 in second. they'd have use shorter ratios and get better acceleration. of course, that is case-dependant.

i'm not doubting you, but out of curiousity, what engine did the escort have, what power was it making and how many gears did the 'box have?

my friend's brother has a tuning company, and he put a stroked 2.2-litre Cosworth YBT engine in a mk.2 for a guy to compete in rallying or something. the 872kg kerb weight and 440bhp contributed to a mental mk.2...

Ok, easy to fix this.

I rang Ralliart NZ, and talked to Ron McMillin. The guy who built the car.
Its very, VERY real.
It was never turned into a race car because it weighs around 1600kgs, and boiled the brake fluid after only 10 laps of Pukekohe (local track). So there was never a cage etc fitted to it.
It did do a Canon ball run in northern Australia, but was stolen from a shipping container after failing to complete the event, and driven through a fence before being recovered, hence the face lifted body kit thats been fitted, after it had been completely stipped and turned into its current form.
It was originally the second GTO sold new in NZ, so had a long history with Mitsubishi Ralliart, starting with simple mods, before its huge rebuild.
Ron remembered it was making 450hp when he last saw it, down from the 530 it originally made.


Ralliart 3000gt I suggest you ring them (numbers in the book) and ask them about the car with a note pad in hand.
It's been driven around Puke' by Own Evens, and turned in 1'10sec times with road tyres on. He remembers an amazing number of details about the car, and all of its history.

No offence, Moppie.

i don't doubt the existence of a/the ralliart tuned 3000GT in question. i'm sure it does exist. mostly from the article about it.

what i do doubt is that ralliart3000gt owns that can.

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i'm not doubting you, but out of curiousity, what engine did the escort have, what power was it making and how many gears did the 'box have?



It had the old 1600 kent cross flow in it. The box was of course an old Anglia 4sp :)
With 190hp and about 750kg dry weight, it was also a pretty mental Eskie.


Oh, and by the way, with regards to Ralliart 3000gt's 3000GT, your WRONG! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

It's very much the same car, Ron McMillin described it exactly has Ralliart 3000gt has. He even mentioned that it was sold on a Yard in Greenlane.
Its kind of scary that a 20 year old is driving such a powerful car, but its very real.

OMG mate, I just called him, I know every thing, yea, you're bloody awsome mate, awsome!!!!! I owe you a few beers................

and 2.2 mate I would just like to say OWNED lol, no hard feelings, and moppie FYI I was 18 when I got that car lol......

OMG mate, I just called him, I know every thing, yea, you're bloody awsome mate, awsome!!!!! I owe you a few beers................

No worries, Iv heard stranger tales about cars people have owned :)
Let me drive it, and we can forego the beers :cool:

lol Hmmm I've never let any person drive my car ever!!! But let me get her tuned by Ron and sorted out, and then I will let you drive her, but only if you can prove that you have driven a 530 hp car before lol FYI car is still making 520hp.................

I call BS

i'll believe it if i talk to the guy and he confirms it.

i suppose he can link VIN numbers too, can he?

if it turns out that i'm wrong, i'll appologise. until then, i stand by what i've said.

This is my speedo

[img]http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/10/web/2122000-2122999/2122764_68_full.jpg[img]

If you are ever in New Plymouth, Hit me up for a blast...................


Good chance I'll be up there at New Years, I'll be holding you to that :p

Just for the sake of those just tuning in...

Are we arguing about whether or not his car actually makes 530hp?

Or that is can go xxx mph?

And finally, why is this going on 6 pages long?

Just for the sake of those just tuning in...

Are we arguing about whether or not his car actually makes 530hp?


Yes kinda (arguing over the fact that he owns such a powerful car)

Or that is can go xxx mph?


Yes also (100 mph in 2nd gear)

And finally, why is this going on 6 pages long?

:dunno:

Yes kinda (arguing over the fact that he owns such a powerful car)



Yes also (100 mph in 2nd gear)



:dunno:

Well in that case, shouldnt the easy fix be...

Dyno sheet + video?

Case closed...

Yeah. 2.2's been asking for picture/video evidence of some sort but we haven't gotten any. Moppie seems to have found the real story from the source (Ralliart company ownership) so I for one believe the kid, but I'd never let him represent me in a case. Worse self defense exhibition ever :shakehead

i've asked what gear ratios and final drive he has. he's avoided it and won't answer. that leads me to believe that his car can't do 100mph in second.

i don't doubt the existence of the car built for Targa Tasmania, and all that. i doubt that the car Ralliart owns is that one.

and yes, i've said i'll believe it when i see a video'd dyno run.

I think you guys are missing the point, This thread is titled Max speed in your car. 280kph/170+mph is the max speed I have been in my car. That was when I was running Race gas, down a longish strait, I now run on pump 95 which is crap. But I can still do a daily max speed of 250kph down there, that’s on pump, low boost 15psi and on road tires and your typical NZ road surface. Then it lead to I don’t believe that you can do those speeds, the car in the mag isn’t yours, the 6 speed getrag doesn’t exist, now you wan’t me to pay for a dyno, tape it with a digi cam I don’t own and provide evidence on the net to any law enforcement who wishes to arrest me for Illegal street racing……. My car has just had a clutch put in it. Soooooooooooooo I want it to last this time so I’ll ride it in………. Don’t believe me, I don’t care, I never said I knew everything about my car, and no, I don’t know the gear ratio’s. But this car is mine, yes its still very fast and yes it featured in the mag………..

What Moppie said about dealers selling cars that they have no idea is correct though. My brother in law's company sold an R34 GT-R badged as an M Spec NUR. Turns out it wasn't a NUR Spec, BUT, it did have a very very nice 600HP+ Trial-built engine in it.

It subsequently ended up in NZ Performance Car magazine.

Meh, if I go up to New Plymouth for new years I'll check the car out and clear up the issue :p

What Moppie said about dealers selling cars that they have no idea is correct though. My brother in law's company sold an R34 GT-R badged as an M Spec NUR. Turns out it wasn't a NUR Spec, BUT, it did have a very very nice 600HP+ Trial-built engine in it.

It subsequently ended up in NZ Performance Car magazine.

Meh, if I go up to New Plymouth for new years I'll check the car out and clear up the issue :p

Sweet, I hope to have my car tuned by then, even if its not, I'd at least be able to give you the 250kph run on pump 95.

PS: when the **** are we gonna get 98 down here???

When the Naki makes it's way into the 20th century is when :p

85 mph. In my junky civic going downhill.

130+ in my rex (R.I.P.)

what year is ur civic?

mine's a '93, 4-cyl, so i was really surprised when i hit the speeds that i did. i think fresh out my engine only put out like 80 some hp. I was going straight and downhill for a good 7 to 8 miles (down mountains in the Poconos in Penn.)

my sis has a '95 civic cx (doesn't drive it now because someone hit it and bent the frame so it's a write off) anyways, it hits 100mph pretty easily. you'd be surprised what they can do

my sis has a '95 civic cx (doesn't drive it now because someone hit it and bent the frame so it's a write off) anyways, it hits 100mph pretty easily. you'd be surprised what they can do

They're so frickin light, I have driven faster in my crx then my 240, true story. Why? My guess is because it's lighter.

They're so frickin light, I have driven faster in my crx then my 240, true story. Why? My guess is because it's lighter.
hell, i've driven my sister's civic with about 80hp (maybe 87hp?) faster than alot of cars i've driven. mind you i haven't driven many cars, but still it's not as slow as many people think.

Civic's are a fairly light car, thats why some people prefer to mod the hell out of them. For about $20k in the us, plus the cost of the car, you can build one fast 1/4 mile car in a short amount of time due to the amount of parts that are available. Personally, the thought of going that fast in a 2200lb car is frightening.

hell, i've driven my sister's civic with about 80hp (maybe 87hp?) faster than alot of cars i've driven. mind you i haven't driven many cars, but still it's not as slow as many people think.

It has a great power to weight ratio, but it's so frickin small. It was a good first car, got me my first kiss too. :naughty:

mines a 93 as well. I dont doubt it can break 85 mph, but then it really starts to blow oil out the back and it shakes funny and generally doesnt like it. The rex ate up the high speeds though. God i miss that car.