Boosted Blow Thru Build.

Ok my sig pretty much explaines my motor. However I am still waiting on my tranny so I have no clue when I may be done. But here goes: I have a 1987 Mustang Coupe that is getting a serious transplant. I am building a 351w and putting a Dynamic C4 behind it.

The motor is out of a 1989 F-150. I am useing the stock block & crank at this time, hopefully I can build a Dart block motor for the car later. The block has been bored .030, line honed, decked, and then crank has been turned .010/.010. For my rotating assembly I have Scat H-beam forged rods and Probe forged dished pistons to get about 8.7:1 cr with my 60cc heads. I have Edelbrock Performer RPM heads and a Performer RPM Air-Gap intake. Kevin at CSU built me an awsome blow thru Holley 750cfm 4150 double pumper. I also purchased my carb hat from CSU. My valvetrain consists of an F-303 cam, Crane retro-fit link bar hydraulic roller lifters, Comp Pro Magnum 1.6 roller rockers, and a Ford SVO double roller timing chain set. I still have to figure out what length pushrod I need but will probably go to Trick Flow for those. I have tall cast aluminum Ford Racing valve covers. A Canton 7qt oil pan, pickup, and dipstick. My harmonic balancer is another peice from ford that can be made to use with 28oz, 50oz, or 0 balance motors. I have a CSR electric waterpump, and a TCI flexplate. Last but not least is the power adder. Just a Vortech S-trim for now, with 8 rib pullies 2.95"/8" and spun to about 6000rpms. I am told to expect about 12psi with those pulleys at that rpm. I have a Mondo by-pass valve from Vortech as well.

As for the car its self I have a Summit brand 2 core aluminum radiator and a Mark 8 electric fan. I will soon be ordering a 20gal. Summit brand aluminum fuel cell, Aeroquip stainless braided fuel line, and aluminum hardline to go under the car. I have an Aeromotive A1000 fuel pump and a 13202 fuel pressure regulator. I will run -10AN fuel line for feed and return, and then -8AN line from the regulator to the carb. For my ignition I have a MSD 8584 Billet distributor, MSD 6 BTM ignition box, and a Blaster SS coil. I am not sure at this time what spark plugs and plug wires I will be running. I have 15x8 Weld draglites wrapped in 275/50R15 Mickey Tompson ET Street Radials for the rear, and 15x7 draglites for the front with regular street tires for now. Since this will be a daily driver I didnt want to go with skinnies up front right off the bat. My rearend is an 8.8 with 3.55 gears and South Side machine traction bars. I also have subframe connectors I will be installing soon. I have a Harwood 4" cowl hood on the way as well. For the interior I am getting Autometer Ultra-Lite guages: fuel level, oil pressure, water temp, voltage, tranny temp, speedo, tach, boost guage, and shiftlight. All guages will be custom mounted in-dash. Aslo a Hurt Quarter stick shifter is supposed to be coming with my trans. Also I will be installing a wideband O2 sensor / LM-1 for tuning my air/fuel ratio. I do not want to go lean!

I have spent alot of money so far, and I'm getting ready to spend alot of man hours.

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David,

Very nice!

My only worries are the crank, and the 8 rib pulley. With my S-Trim on a 2.95 8 rib it would slip. You might want to purchase one of those tensioners.

Where do you plan on shifting? Around 6k? Anything more than that, you might be on borrowed time with that crank.

500rwhp sounds about right, very good marriage of parts.

8.7:1:bigthumb:

No worries about valve clearance? I will need to fly cut mine.

The crank is 1 reason I'm keeping the revs down, that and most companies that sell heads assembled dont exactly use the best valves/springs ect and I dont wanna start floating valves.

For the time being I'm gonna set my rev limiter at 6500, probably buy a 6300 pill later. Just gotta hit the dyno and see. I plan on shifting at 6000, but I dont wanna be on the limiter at 6000, and the next pill up that I have is 6500. So it will do for now.

Since I'm running 1.6 rockers with my f303 cam I shouldnt have any p/v issues.

What cc, and valve size are on those heads? Any flow numbers?

6500 is around my shift point, and that is with upgraded valve train, but then again I am going with 1.72s, so that puts my valve train a little stressed than yours, so mine would be more inclined to float.

What stall are you going with?

Are you really going to need a 4" hood? That is going to be a monster.

Get a cage, and you did not mention your torque boxes, one good plant, and you might be putting that car's rear drive train in a place you do not want.

I have a bunch of pills, so if you want I can ohm 6300, and give you value. Then you just have to go to radio shack, and there you go.

Here is the intake I will be running.http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/SkylineUSA/CrackedRims139.jpg

Nice intake. I went to take some more picstures today but my batteries died in the dig camera.
The heads are 60cc with 2.02/1.60 valves.
An Edge 3200 stall converter is supposed to be coming with my trans. Bought as a package on the corral.
Not sure if I will need a 4" hood, but I wanted to play it safe. Only wanted to spend $450+ on a hood once. I think it cost $75 to get it shipped.
I will probably buy a 6 point bar from Jegs or Summit and weld it in myself. I have been welding for about 6 years so it should look pretty decent. I'll have to rent a welder though, that sucks. I'll weld my blower plumbing, exhaust, torque boxes, and subframe connectors while I have the welder rented. I'd let somebody else install the cage but I dont know of anyone around that does good work.
Found a small spot of rust on the car the other day as well, so it looks like body work is coming sooner than later.
Sounds like a good idea on the rpm pill. I'll let ya know after I get it running. Thanks for the offer!
Good luck in your build. I probably wont get much done this week, gotta start working 12hrs a day again.

Cool,

When you get the time, post up some more pics.

Rain rain go away!!!

Another rainout. Was gonna fit my hood and install my hoodpins today since I got off work alot earlier than expected. Oh well, maybe it will clear up soon. In the meantime I'll try to get some updated pics of progress on the motor. I'll try to post more pics soon.

Well my hood and fuel cell are here now. I'd update with pics but my mom has the dig camera right now for work. I'll try to get some pics up this weekend.

:banghead: :angryfire :swear:
Damn Canton! My oil pan wont fit! The mid section on the oil pan is about 4" deep. Well, My oil pickup tube sits about 4 1/2" below the block! The pan just teter totars on the pickup tube. Both peices where what Canton recomended for my application. They Will be getting a call tomarrow! I had to modify the pickup tube to clear the rear sump of the pan already! The pan is 9" deep. The pickup screen for the pickup tube sat 9" below the block. Now, you tell me, how the hell can a screen let oil thrue when its flush with the bottom of the damn oil pan? So I did like my machinist said and layed a rag over the pickup tube, put a pipe wrench and a breaker bar on it and slowly and steadily bent the screen almost a 1/2" closer to the block. I am NOT happy! :thumbsdow

That sucks, but its all part of the growing pains of cars:) Keep us posted on what they say.

ARG!
Recieved a package from Summit today. Was supposed to be the correct replacements for a whole list of wrong parts they sent me. Once again, I got the wrong parts.
I need a fitting that adapts -8AN braiden hose to a Holley carb, Not a -8AN fuel cell bulkhead! They sent me double the amout I ordered on some parts and charged my card. Maybe one day when Summit hires a couple McDonalds employes instead of the mentally touched staff they have at the moment they can run a decent bussiness. I have been dealing with Summit for years. This is the first time I have had a repetative problem with them. I'm temped to tell them to take the parts back and refund the money. I'll just have to go somewhere else for the parts. Maybe Jegs knows the different between their parts.

man i can only imagine what thats gonna sound like when its done.

I thought you said you were turboing your car. What's a vortech supercharger doing there? Tsk tsk. Anyway, you still have your 4cyl motor? if you do, could i grab it off ya? Lemme know where you are, if your in Canada that would be easier to ship the motor. Or at least i could get some parts off it. I need to use another mother for some R&D for horsepower. Lemme know.

The 4cyl was long gone before I ever bought the car. As far as the blower goes, the plan has always been to get my first taste of boost with a small blower and then move up to a decent sized turbo. A PT76 GTS with a tangential housing sounds pretty nice. All in the future though. Right now I gotta get this damn thing runnin!

You have the motor in already? Wow that was fast. Well hopefully your motor runs fine. Well, im going to emulate an intake system from weapon-r. Heres how it works http://www.weapon-r.com/store/agora.cgi?p_id=0007&xm=on&ppinc=search2 and then heres what it looks like http://www.weapon-r.com/store/agora.cgi?cart_id=9290239.26950*cr6tH7&p_id=00013&xm=on&ppinc=search2# . The picture at the top right of the collection is what im gonig to do. Im thinking that this might work for exhuast as well. But for now, I'm going to make a test intake out of ABS pipe. Ill see if I can get pictures. What you mgiht want for a turbo, or turbos, is a smaller one. The larger the turbo, the longer the spool up time, unless you get a ball bearing, then its almost eliminated. Ive heard of small pre turbos in front of large turbos. Also, it's been discussed here, but a supercharger/ turbo combined setup would be ideal. Any way, get some pics!!

Looks good man keep the pics commin.

. Also, it's been discussed here, but a supercharger/ turbo combined setup would be ideal.

Ideal for what, a money pit that will not work properly.

If you take the time to set it up, then yah, it will work.

How do you figure that? Please explain. Where do you get your information from? On a turbo you can just run a 2 step, and you're there.

I do not know everything about setting up an engine, but I do know a lot. Spending the cash for that kind of set up, is a complete waste.

If you take the time to set it up, then yah, it will work.

Where is your info? Still waiting my man.

Hey Tony when I go to check for my proper pushrod length I have a question. I know to mark the top of the valve and rotate the motor so that the rocker goes thrue its full motion. I also know that the rocker should travel as close to the center of the valve as possible. Now, my question is, do I have to get some of those weaker springs that just hold the valve up for will I be alright doing this with the valve springs that came in the heads? Thanks man.

I don't want to explain it, because if i do, my idea will be copied, and i will never get credit for it becoming reality. I know, it seems like i got nothin, but if i wasnt into developing new ways to make power, then i would say so. Ill give you a hint, just think rotary motor.

Hey Tony when I go to check for my proper pushrod length I have a question. I know to mark the top of the valve and rotate the motor so that the rocker goes thrue its full motion. I also know that the rocker should travel as close to the center of the valve as possible. Now, my question is, do I have to get some of those weaker springs that just hold the valve up for will I be alright doing this with the valve springs that came in the heads? Thanks man.
Set the head up with the proper springs, don't use any other. This will let you ceck for coil bind as well. Also remember to add any hydraulic pre load to the length.

I don't want to explain it, because if i do, my idea will be copied, and i will never get credit for it becoming reality. I know, it seems like i got nothin, but if i wasnt into developing new ways to make power, then i would say so. Ill give you a hint, just think rotary motor.So, you had an epiphany that no one else has thought of. Tell you what, my wife is a patent attorney, pm me and I will let my wife read what you are thinking and see if she thinks its a patentable idea, could be worth millions to you.


Like I said, yes you can make it work, but it will make the engine have less power! Well, you have to use a positive displacement supercharger, I know that is a fact. Just so to you can boost at the lower rpms for off throttle response. But here is the catch, at the higher rpms, the belt needs to be lifted (or a clutch system needs to ne added to the roots or twin screw) off of the supercharger, when it comes down to it, its not even close to being practical, since I can produce enough power to crack a block with just a turbo, and run a 2 step or a small shot of N2O with a window switch for spoolin. Like I said, a complete waste of time and money from what I know.

Here is a good way to set up.

http://www.lincolnsonline.com/article78.html

Thanks for the link Tony.

Hey eillob, thanks man. Did you get your car runnin again or are you still gonna build another motor or what?

Hey eillob, thanks man. Did you get your car runnin again or are you still gonna build another motor or what?

Well I had a slight hang up. My car was totalled. Theres a thread on it if you wanna see the pics.

The first thing I have to do is pull all these parts off. I should be picking up another car tommorrow. I think Im gonna go ahead and pull the short block out of the wreck and take it to the machine shop. They say they can build me a stroker (331 or 347) with all forged internals balanced for $2k.

After Christmas when things settle down a bit Im gonna go ahead and let them get started.

Sounds like a plan man. As soon as I get a moment to breath I'll be working on my car again. I could get alot dont if I could work on it more than an hour or two here and there.

Long overdue update!

Well the oil pan is on, never figured out what was holding it off either. But I have the passenger head on and am working on the driver side head. (Came inside for supper then back to work). Once the heads are on I make go ahead and check the pushrod length so I can order pushrods tomarrow! I'll let ya know. Hope to get new pics up over the weekend.

Sounds like a plan :D

Well I got the heads on and went to check my pushrod length...just to find that my pushrod length checker is too short. The adjusting/locking nut on the pushrod length checker bottoms out on my guide plate before it reaches the lifter. Its about 1.5 - 2 threads short of just touching the lifter. I purchased the one that Summit suggested so maybe they will take it back (I hope). I did take 2 pictures though. I'll try to post them shortly. I hope to install my fuel cell, run my fuel lines, and get my guage pod made tomarrow. Sounds like a long day. Hopefully I'll have a possitive update for tomarrow. I need progress!

Cant seem to get these pics small enough. Anyone wanna try to post them for me?

Yeah sure, send them to me. numnuts95@hotmail.com

Ok here are the long awaited pictures.
Block Veiw #1
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Block View#2
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Carb and Intake
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Pump(?)
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Beautiful!

Looks great.

Thanks for posting the pics jibbijib!
Thanks for the support guys.


Pump(?)
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Beautiful!

Its actually the fuel pressure regulator. Aeromotive pn:13202.

Wow, thats one complicated pressure regulator. I wish I had the money to spend on my car. I don't even have the money to buy a steering column (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=503216). The things I would do.

Wow, thats one complicated pressure regulator. I wish I had the money to spend on my car. I don't even have the money to buy a steering column (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=503216). The things I would do.

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Hey guys. Pushrods came today. After taking Tony's (Skyline's) link I ended up with 7.707" on my pushrod lendth checker. So I bought 7.7" Trick Flow hardened pushrods. Going to install them tonight and hopefully get some pics up tomarrow.

Need to see some pictures of your car doing a burnout, thats what we need. Just kidding, good progress! I'm still waiting on my steering column to be fixed.

Looking good!

Keep up the good work.

Sorry I let the thread die guys. Gotta borrow the camera from my mom again. The motor is built though. Sitting in the garage covered up waiting on my tranny. Next week I should be buying a Mig welder so I can re-arange my trunk. Gonna lower a section of the trunk floor about 2" so that my fuel cell will sit in there a little better. May end up putting in my own 8-point roll bar. I just dont think I wanna mess with the headliner...anyone know if you can leave the headliner in and not burn it? Also probably gonna go again and mini tub the car while I butchering the trunk. Just have to see what I can do with a sawzaw :evillol: .

I've got a couple pics of the blower mounted on my motor if someone wants to post them for me. For some reason its not letting me upload pics.

Send them to me again numnuts95@hotmail.com

sent

Here they are
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http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d133/jibbijib/MotorEndSm.jpg

Thanks again for posting them!

No problem homie. Some time I'll be building an intake system for my car, and someone else. All I need is a used one from a 4cyl. The only problem is finding one. I'll keep you updated.

Looks like my ol' engine, well except for the carb, valve covers, distib, intake, well OK, it almost looks like my ol' engine, well except mine was a 302, well the blower is the same :D

Hey Tony how ya been man? How the hybrid coming? Maybe after I build a Dart block motor with a 76 or 88 pushing 20+psi we can line them up lol. Still thinkin about movin back to the states or you gonna stay on for a while across seas?

You probably get me in a straight line, throw some curves in the track, that will be a whole nother ball game ;)

Not sure if I will be coming back or not, trying to Australia for my last 4 years, but we will see.

Not sure if I will be coming back or not, trying to Australia for my last 4 years, but we will see.
Ford has some nice cars over there in fact their performance division is better than what SVT is.
http://www.fpv.com.au/

Ford has some nice cars over there in fact their performance division is better than what SVT is.
http://www.fpv.com.au/

ive read about FPV before... it really isnt fair how awesome those cars are. kinda pisses me off.

ive read about FPV before... it really isnt fair how awesome those cars are. kinda pisses me off.
Then do what I do blame the head of SVT and the involvement of bean counters. Honestly Fords North American division is one of their weakest. HTT realy dropped the ball on the GT500 by cutting so many corners.
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Quick quiz
Why is the 03/04 Cobra the only Mustang to ever have special side mirrors?
Was there a 2000 (non R) and 2002 Mustang Cobra?

i didnt know the 03/04 had special mirrors... but i know they didnt make a cobra in 2000 and 2002, but whats the point of asking this, im sure your getting somewhere.

I know that in 00 they focused on recalls of the 99 cobras so there was no actual 2000 cobras. As for 02, I thought it was because they were already planning the supercharged version but it didn't get off the ground until the following year. I didnt know the 03/04 cobras had special side mirrors. I learn something new every day.

Oh wait they were colored the same as the car, I did know that.

From what I was told by a reliable source the side mirrors changed so that they can fold in as a requirement for them to be sold in certain overseas markets mainly Japan.

There was a 2000 and 2002 Cobra both years were Australian issue only and had changes to the front bumper for extra lights, conversion to right hand drive, and long tube headers in order to clear the steering shaft among other changes.
http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/99-04/02/
http://www.mustangworld.com/ourpics/News/funford001/aussieshow1.htm
http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/timeline/99-04/01/AussieCobra-2.jpg

Ok so now the point of this was to show that Ford North America ships their inferior products to other countries like Australia where cars like the F6 Typhoon and Falcon GT-P are built. Yet we do not see these cars here. Granted US regulations would mean changes like what was seen in the GTO but at least we would be seeing better quality performance cars here.

The SC on the 03/04 was a last min. change only because Coletti was unhappy with the HP numbers without one. This is kind of surprising since 400hp is possible without one but it does take more work.