Who are u votin for pres. 2004?

Alright, here's the killa. Who are you goin to vote this nov. for President? The polls up top. And please, this is just for fun, don't take it personal guys!

what if you aren't voting for either of those idiots?

Then don't vote

Due to lack of better choice I am going with Kerry...

convicted felon so id dont have the right to care

i dont trust the govt so i dont know if im gonna vote anymore. I dont really believe in the Govt much anymore. I just want to be able to drive around, hang out, listen to good music, and have fun in life. But instead we deal with war, thats no fun. Plus every govt is corrupt.

Since I'm not of age (miss the election by 3 months and 4 days) I didnt vote...but if I was able to vote, I would vote for Bush.

If your not going to vote, at least piss some people off by voting for Nader (if you can). At least he gives a shit about the country.

I'm goin to vote for Kerry.

i live in a small town of maybe 40,000. somebody has gone around and stolen somewhere between 200-300 lawn signs for Kerry/ Edwards. the local news is suggesting people who still have signs to bring them in at night :disappoin

^LoL thats so stupid ^

i'm voting for ross perot, for shizzle

I think the poll results show the basic situation the US is in, it's pretty much dead even between these 2. Too bad we don't have 2 candidates that haven't changed their minds over and over again on issues (yes infact both have). Oh well, can't wait for the 5 or so recounts :ylsuper:

ami- thats not a small town, I live in a down of 1200 people. Theres a down down the road that has a popuation of 52 people.


Has everyone forgot that the popular vote doesnt count? If it did bush wouldnt have won the election 4 years ago.

Since I'm not of age (miss the election by 3 months and 4 days) I didnt vote...but if I was able to vote, I would vote for Bush.

Whoa.....wait a sec. You were born in Feb. And your still 17, right?

ami- thats not a small town, I live in a down of 1200 people. Theres a down down the road that has a popuation of 52 people.


Has everyone forgot that the popular vote doesnt count? If it did bush wouldnt have won the election 4 years ago.

Bush lost the popular vote by half a million. It is a very real possibilty that Kerry could lose the popular vote by 6 or 7 million this time around, but still win in the electoral college. Would you be complaining about it then? sounds like a double standard to me...

Maby I'm simple minded or it could be that I'm not entirely sober, but I'm not 100% possitive on what you ment by that ec437

Think he means that this year if Bush won the popular vote but Kerry won the electoral vote (meaning he'd become president) that you wouldn't be complaing about it...sounds like a pretty ignorant statement to me. Gore would have won if the popular vote would have been what gets the president into office, and that is a fact. Maybe ec437 just doesn't understand how elections work.
I personally think that the electoral college thing is stupid. The president should be picked by popular vote only. If it was that way Gore would have won 4 years ago, but that's not the way it is so he didn't (not that I would have voted for him if I took the time to vote anyways). But I remember people talking about changing it so that the popular vote ment a lot more, apparently that went out the window. It's crap like that, that makes me understand why people don't vote. The whole system is whacked.

electorial college was put into place long ago because people were not able to to get much information on either canidate, so each state selected people that would vote for them. But people are exposed to so much now that I think it should be done away with. What is the whole point in voting if its not going to count anyway, thats what I Never understood. I vote for local stuff where it is accually decided by the people, and come november I will vote for bush, weither it counts or not atleast I can say I tried.

Well im not voting cause i hate voting...If i was it would be kerry..
As my cousin says, I am voting for kerry cause i think our president should have a higher IQ then forest gump...

you know to all the people that say that, you oviously know nothing about our president.

You know i did say that iw as saying thats what my cousin said and i know alot about the stupid ass president. He is a crakhead that dont know how to make his mind up and on all the presidential debates he cant even spit his fucking sentences out he studders so much and dont even know what he wants to say..I watch enough debates to know..Later

Edit: If you were talking about the voting part liars are not goign to get my damn vote thats all they are they dont fix shit in this world just fuck it up like bush did..

kerry has contradicted himself just as much as bush has. How exactly has bush fucked stuff up? Everyone is mad because he went to war, but if he hadnt they would be mad anyway. People are complaining because they had to go fight and have lost lives, but they over look the fact that our arm is all volunteer, nobody forced them to join. You say hes not spart because he studders, and pauses when hes talking, ever thought maby hes accually thinking about what hes saying before he says it, something most poeple dont do. Albert Einstien is known as one of the smartest people of all time, yet he was dislexic and couldnt understand math, does that make him an idiot? As for the voting for a lier, if you wont vote for a lier, then you will never vote.

ok how about this...

- all politicians lie (just about)
- no matter who wins, everyone won't be happy
- popularity vote doesn't count in most states to determine the outcome of their state's electoral votes (least i think so, don't quote me on ANYthing i say lol)

that's the way the government works. the electoral college was setup so that the "higher-intelligence" of congress, etc, could vote the president because the common people (so they say) don't have the knowledge to properly choose. that way, the people vote, the government gets who it wants, and everyone is happy and the people don't know that they're vote really doesn't count. Hence, no true democracy - that's why they call us a republic

i vote for bill clinton anyway..

Yea i would vote for slick willy (Bill Clinton) he was the best not really but it was fun seeing all that shit..Silent you are right i will never vote..

Whoa.....wait a sec. You were born in Feb. And your still 17, right?

Yes I was born February 6th, 1987...and will be 18 on February 6th, 2005...Why?

And how it works...There are 538 possible electoral college votes and you need 270 to become president. In our last election Bush happened to lose the popular vote (all the votes from each state added together) but he happened to win the electoral college with over 270 votes. And you guys were right about how this system was implemented back in the day when information on candidates wasn't as widespread as it is today.

see, we some educated mother fuckers up in here

Well I already knew this shit...and I just had a test in my Government class yesterday on this stuff so it was fresh in my head :iceslolan

I hate Bush for personal reasons. Hes killing my family. Dont any of you dare say hes "liberating" Iraq. Anyone knows that he gives 2 shits about other people...especially Iraqis. Another thing before he went to war ...i never heard him say hes goin to "liberate" but used the word "invasion" instead. Now in my book invasion is a bad word.

Invasion- To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage. To enter and permeate, especially harmfully. To encroach or intrude on; violateliberation-

1.deliverance, escape, freeing, pardon, release, rescue, salvage, salvation...basically to FREE!

Now you see the difference? Hes an idiot.
Stupid+Stubborn +leader = very dangerous person


Peace!

I think he was trying to finish what his father had started 10 years earlyer.

partly true...but it's more like:

bush wanted a pipeline for oil. wasn't going to happen while sadam was in power. we take him down and guess what happens? which had nothing to do with padding the bushs' wallets because we all know they have nothing to do with oil. :disappoin

we were after weapons of mass destruction, right? then why aren't we invading other countries like north korea? :disappoin

the Saudi's has more money wrapped up in our economy then we do. if they should pull their trillions out we would be in another great depression. :disappoin

the national debt was wiped clean and "slick dick" left us a surplus. we're now back in the hole. "wars cost money" is the answer from the bush campaign....and we're in the war because of why? refer to first point made :disappoin

don't get me started. it's all a smoke screen trick with bush. you're forced fed his side of the story and expected to not think outside the box for yourself.





the rich are getting richer. the poor, poorer. if only the poor realized they out number the rich and bring the power back to the people! exercise your power and VOTE!

*from canadia*

your election are belong to us!

if bush is voted in for a second term i might just be joining you in canadia :evillol:

...i'm not 100% for kerry however, i know nada won't get enough votes. so if it means voting for kerry to keep bush out, you know where my vote goes :thumbsup:

Yep anyone better than Bush. Yes i believe it was a grudge match between the Bush fam and Saddam. Its no secret. I'm goin to register to vote!

However I think Nader will take more votes away from Kerry than he will from Bush...in essence actually helping Bush.

ah it's hard to say if nader helped or didnt help either candidate till after the election is done - then you can tally up the votes n see wha happened (if the voting ppl can actually count the votes properly lol)

iraq is gonna cost the us a lotttttta money over the next few DECADES

I think thats one of americas problems, he are "free" so we try to liberate all the other countries. I think if we kept our noses our of other peoples buisness we wouldnt be the moste hated country in the world. Name almost any country our there and they have a beef with the US over something that we did to piss them off because we think our way is the right way. The reason I'm voting for bush is because I dont believe that kerry would do a better job, and theres something I just dont like about kerry.

i already ahve my absentee ballot and nader is no where on it. not that i was going to vote for him but you all keep tlaking about him. i thought he was green party but there is someone named Cobb running for the green party.

*stands behind Silent*

I'm voting for Bush because his beliefs/standards are those that I am in line with. That's just my :2cents:, so don't go hating. My dad is retired military, and if the last "president" wouldn't have downsized the military, we wouldn't have to be sending all of our reservists out to fight. Bush has done a darn good job cleaning up after the last person, and I think he'll have a better chance now that he's done alot of the cleanup to really shine. You can argue with me or Silent or anybody else on here, and we'll argue back; but at the end of the day, I'll lay my head on my pillow and not worry about the outcome, because I know who is in control, and that things will work out in the end.

Figori thats your opinion. I have family in Iraq and i bet you anything if Bush goes into Iraq , they'll tear him apart...literally. He has done nothing but harm to them! Faith lead him towards the wrong path. I dont give a shit about his beliefs and standards.His actions are NO WHERE near from what they call him "faithful". If you're goin to vote for him just for that...then you are definitely on the wrong side. I just dont get those pro bush supporters. ITs so obvious that hes fucking it up for everyone and yet there still some that support him.

hey now, politics CAN get ugly lol

but whoever wins...i still think every car in the US should be factory equipped with NAWWWWWWWWWSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS~ !

Yeah I'm going to reframe from voiceing any more oppinions to avoid making enemys here. Mellow has a differnt perspective on it than most of us do, he accually knows people and knows what there going though, most of us only see what they show us on TV.

My dad served in South Korea in two different instances, and I have close friends in Iraq. I was commenting on the fact that the last president screwed up our military. And I'm not trying to make enemies. I understand people have different opinions, and that's just fine. Like I said, I'm not trying to say someone is or isn't wrong. Just stating my opinion. And it's not that I agree totally with Bush. I just agree with him more than Kerry.

TV is the route of all evil...damn Rupert Murdock and his media monopoly. That's why I watched ABC for the debates, because they had both sides of the issues that were covered and called out the blatant lies by each person made during the debates. But I agree (kind of in a way) with what Figori said with "And it's not that I agree totally with Bush. I just agree with him more than Kerry." Althought I agree more with Kerry on most issues, but there are still quite a few issues I agree with Bush on. I wish I could rememeber the web site I looked at a few months ago, it was really cool. You click on an issue and there are 2 choices for each; and once you click on what you agree with it tells you which canidate shares your belief. My family is actually split right in half on the vote; half for Bush and half for Kerry, so basically we're just canceling out each others votes. maybe I'll get lucky and my bro and dad will get sick and not vote. But basically it comes down to who has lied the least, or who didn't have the biggest lies.

On topic, off subject....I work for a living, I depend on things like 401K, the oilfield, and so on. Just to let you guys know, if Kerry is ellected, you won't have a 401K, he plans on using that for government loans and giving it back to you only when you retire w/out interest. They already take enough loans from us with out interests...its called tax returns, they return what they hold out all year with no adjustments for interest.
I can't vote for a guy who keeps changing his mind, Kerry votes for this, then publically anounces that he made a mistake and no longer supports it.WTF? He drives around in this big ol SUV, and then talks about less fuel consumption and stricker emmisions laws. BTW, if he gets in office, all you guys with moded daily drivers will be in the market for new vehicles because they won't pass inspection.

You do have to say one thing about Bush, he stands by his convictions. I don't agree with everything that he has done but some things he was forced to do. The president can't do anything without congress behind him.

Did you know that the only way that Kerry can accomplish his goals is by raising taxes, which he would have to do just to keep making the payments on any one of his 6 multimilliondollar mansions( that the american tax payers have to pay upkeep on). Of coarse some of it will come from reducing the military budget like every other democrat has done.

Our nation will fall victim to the same fate as Canada. Kerry is for increased government medical aid, and where does the money to do this come from? You're pocket, this is the main reason that Canada's debt almost triples ours, per capita...good idea huh? This country, with the help of Kerry will evolve from a democracy, into a socialist form of government. Canada's population is about the same as California's, but their deficit is so high because someone up there had Kerrys idea for government aid. I already pay enough taxes and BS to support, feed and cloth people who are to lazy to hold a job. About 25 to 30 percent of my check goes to uncle sam, how much more would it be if the federal tax was increased. George Bush, in fact lowered taxes, and created jobs.

We have more jobs because of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Oil companies stand to make a killing off of this war and our interest overseas. And for those of you that don't believe oil is important and that we should drill in our own reserves, consider this! The US alone comsumes about 40% of the total oil produced in the world. 85% of the petroleum products refined in the US come out of the gulf of Mexico. How ling will it be before we use up all of our oil and become totally dependant on another country? The US uses roughly 26 million bbls. of oil a day and produces maybe 5 million on a good day. I know these things since I work in the oil field and know how dependant we are upon it. For anyone who thinks we do not have concerns with protecting our interests, involving foreign countries with oil, is sadly mistaken. Can anyone tell me a product that does not use oil??? Please let me know!!!!
Simply if you want to vote for Kerry that is your choice and your right, but personally it is a bad choice and you are stupid to vote for Kerry. The only people who vote Democratic parties blindly are ignorant or uninformed and have been sucking on the welfare system to long.....
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You know, I am reading a series of books about the Rapture, and I don't consider myself to be religious, but in these books I still can't see how all these people are blind to the fact that the antichrist is pulling the wool over their eyes. They swallow every lie that is fed to them even though the truth manifests itself on a daily basis, right before their eyes. I am not saying that Kerry is the antichrist, I am just making a comparrison. You people do not want to see the truth in front of you. Thank you to all of you Kerry supporters, you have shed some light on the true meaning of ignorance. That not being a flame, ignorance, meaning, unaware of what is going on around you. I know you can't change peoples opinions but what I posted before, was not a fabrication of the truth. Anyone who works in the oilfield can tell you that this is a very political based job. My understanding is of coarse perpetuated by the fact that I have a degree in political science. I do, however, find it sadening that some of you will be voting for something that you will not want, once the true nature of the beast manifests itself and it is too late to renig.

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We would be perfectly fine if all americans had, and kept a job but we have a generation X that tends to think that everyone owes them something and take advantage of this countries "charitable" funds that were put in place by democrats. Flipping burgers at McDonalds still qualifies you for government aid and is not a solution either. You can get nowhere without an education, in which Kerry has no concept of this. Too many people think that flipping burgers is below them so they opt. not to be employed at all. WELCOME ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS !!!! They take all they jobs that no one wants and don't apply for federal aid for fear of being deported.

bush...kerry is just too sleezy and too shady for me...along w/ all the other flops...http://www.nationalreview.com/kerry/waffles.asp...and that's not even all...my sig points out another...

Kerry is the antichrist

Sorry.. I couldnt resist. You bring up alot of valid issues, I personally thought I was too good to work at mcdonald's, so I didnt. I learned how to do body work and paint. Not only did I not rely on welfare, I also learned a trade that has gotten me a fairly nice life. Even on the vurge of starting my own body kit buisiness. So the immigrants can keep flipping burgers as long as they learn to speak english enough to know that I want a number 4 with no pickles and a sprite to drink.

That is funny, but you make me look stupid without quoting the words right before Kerry. I said " I'm not saying that Kerry is the antichrist" But you probably already read that.

I like this too
> >
> >BILL GATES' SPEECH TO MT. WHITNEY HIGH SCHOOL in Visalia, CA.
> >
> >Love him or hate him, he sure hits the nail on the head with this!
> >
> >To anyone with kids of any age, here's some advice. Bill Gates recently gave
> >a speech at a High School about 11 things they did not and will not learn in
> >school. He talks about how feel-good, politically correct teachings created
> >a generation of kids with no concept of reality and how this concept set
> >them up for failure in the real world.
> >
> >Rule 1: Life is not fair -- get used to it!
> >Rule 2: The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will
> >expect you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.
> >Rule 3: You will NOT make $60,000 a year right out of high school. You
> >won't be a vice-president with a car phone until you earn both.
> >Rule 4: If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a
> >boss.
> >Rule 5: Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your
> >Grandparents had a different word for burger flipping - they called it
> >opportunity.
> >Rule 6: If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault, so don't whine
> >about your mistakes, learn from them.
> >Rule 7: Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are
> >now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and
> >listening to you talk about how cool you thought you were. So before you
> >save the rain forest from the parasites of your parent's generation, try
> >delousing the closet in your own room.
> >Rule 8: Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life
> >HAS NOT. In some schools they have abolished failing grades and they'll
> >give you as MANY TIMES as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't
> >bear the slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.
> >Rule 9: Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off
> >and very few employers are interested in helping you FIND YOURSELF. Do that
> >on your own time.
> >Rule 10: Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually
> >have to leave the coffee shop and go to jobs
> >Rule 11: Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one.
> >

thats spiffy, but that the hell does that have to do with the election


The picture in your sig is highly disturbing by the way.

That was about the kids who think certain jobs are below them. Thats good that you aren't lazy and have a trade, but most people don't take the initiative to learn something for themselves. As for the picture, well I laugh everytime I see it.

Wow, there's no doubt you're a republican. But I'd like to respond a little to some of your comments. I'd hope you don't take offence (and no one else does) because I'm not trying to start anything I just feel I need to say some things about what you've said.

First, emissions are going to be increased no matter who is president. A lot of states are starting to make their laws more strict. As an example, NY is starting to have stricter regulations on '96+ cars. So to put down Kerry for doing the same for the whole country is just wrong. If California and NY (2 of the most heavily populated states) can have higher emission restrictions then so can the rest of the country. It's all about pollution equaling acid rain among other things, which kills our environment. I should know about pollution, I live 10 minutes away from one of the top 10 most polluted bodies of water in the World (Onondaga Lake). Not to say that the pollution from cars is a main factor in the lakes pollution but it sure doesn't help, with the fact that where I live (Syracuse, NY) we have the most radical changes in weather in the world (that is a fact). So the acid rain that comes from all the states around us and including Canada. It sure wouldn't hurt to have more strict emissions testing so our countries ecosystem doesn't go any more to shit. I'm sorry but I just don't feel bad for others who upgrade their cars and have to worry about emissions testing; there are things you can do just for the test.

Yes the President can do things without the ok of Congress, in a way. Kerry was among the people to vote yes to giving Bush the ability to use force if Saddam didn't go along with the UN. However like most people it was expected that he would wait for the weapons inspectors to get done with their search before taking military action. If you remember when the US started bombing, there was a mad rush to get the remaining inspectors out of the country. Wow and guess what they've still not found any WMD's. Not that I think it's totally Bush's fault for that, because the CIA told him they had evidence of such weapons. But he still should have done the right thing and waited before going for personal revenge (trying to do what his father couldn't).

So Kerry is going to raise taxes? The only people who are going to get their taxes raised are people who make over $200,000 a year. And that includes adding on taxes for the upper class people who got the tax cuts unfairly in the first place. I know everyone got a little tax break, and some of the tax cuts Bush did were great; such as tax cuts for marriage. But he also lowered taxes more for the upper percentage of people than for anyone else. Do you really think you're going to get people out of a recession by giving the people with the most $ more tax breaks instead of the familes who are working their asses off to support their families month to month? That just seems far too unfair to me.
As for Canada's heath plans, wouldn't it be nice not to have to pay $60 for an office visit when you have a cold? Now their deficit may be bigger from that, but how's our deficit doing now? Bush has brought on the biggest deficit in the history of this country (fact). Before he came into office we had a few trillions dollar surplus, and now we're 10's of thousands in the hole. And have you ever heard of a Canadian complaining about their health care? I never have, but I have heard praise for it. And Kerry's health plan isn't mandatory, you can decide to do it or decide not to. It is not what Canada has, theirs is mandatory. Cheaper health care doesn't sound too bad to me.

And this Sir is the most ignorant comment I've heard all week (and I've heard a lot): "The only people who vote Democratic parties blindly are ignorant or uninformed and have been sucking on the welfare system to long..." Do you really think that there aren't Republicans on welfare? Or people who vote Republican blindly? I personally don't know anyone on welfare. But I do know people who vote for Republicans blindly; my brother being one of them. I've talked to him and he's clueless about what the present President has done to the country and clueless of what each candidate is all about for this election; but he's voting for Bush.

And how very republican for you to bring something about religion into the discussion. I know you said you don't consider yourself a religious person, and to be honest I'm just about the furthest from be so myself. I'm a Deist, I believe in a God but I don't believe in organized religion. I believe that the Bible is just a book of stories that teach morals (much like any childs story book). I believe that people should be judged by their actions towards other living creatures. So from my point of view... Bush sent over people to kill others and to lose their lives. He didn't directly send them over for those reasons but those things will happen in any war or invasion. So to me that makes Bush just as bad as Saddam in a humanitarian sense. I believe that the aint-christ is already here on earth... he's in all of us. With that being said, religion has no place in politics. And that is part of Bush's problem. He's from the South where there are far more religious people than anywhere else in the country. And he's used his religious beliefs to pray on the minds of the weak and get them to see where he's coming from by explaining himself in a way that they can relate. Unfortunately not everyone shares the same views as him so it won't work for everyone. This was a country based on people coming here to get away from religious prosecution, and now that's all they've done.

And "WELCOME ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS", it's pretty funny that you say that when Bush is fine with illegal immigration. In case you didn't watch the last debate, Bush stated that as long an illegal immigrant worker can find a job from an employer who is willing to give them a job, then he's fine with them staying in the country. He actually said that, right after he said that he has upped the security at the southern US border. He will let them stay as long as they prove they are willing to work and keep a job. Hmmm...taking more jobs away from Americans. Let's see, there have also been more out sourcing of jobs to other countries (telemarketing, tech support) in the past 3 or so years than there ever have...more jobs away from the average American. But yes Bush has made more jobs for people. Either going over to Afghanista or Iraq while they are at war, or the rest of the jobs are low paying jobs. He hasn't created many high paying jobs that will help to improve economy in a big fashion.

This is a lot of things that are either just my point of view or are facts that you may not be aware of. I hope you don't take offence to any of this because I haven't take offence to anything you wrote. I just though maybe you should see the otehr side of things.

i think he should publish that and sell it...

I dont have a bit of problem with immigrants, I just think it should be a law that they need to learn how to speak english before they can come over here.

I did not take offense, one thing that we can agree on is our freedom to have an opinion.

I said welcome illegal immigrants, they are cheap labor, I use them all the time, they don't bother me.

I have insurance, I dont ever pay 60bucks for a doctors visit. And yea, for some who could just not pay that would be great for them, meanwhile my insurance would raise along with taxes to float their bills. I have friends in Canada, they come here for medical needs. With socialized medicine you may have to wait years for a transplant, here, it only takes weeks in most cases.

As for the deficit, well what do you expect with a war going on, lets do it Kerrys way, cut military funding, then we tax...yea that works.

I do believe that religion and politics go hand in hand, because you can't simply sway people one way or another in either.

Hows this for the Kerry campaign?
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One more thing
I'd hate to break this to you, but we have universal health care now -- if someone walks into the ER, they get treated insurance or not. The trouble, of course, is that these people don't have access to preventative care, so their only recourse is the ER. So, the way-more-expensive ER visits get passed on to people like you and me who have health insurance.
I also think Kerry is too weak on the death penalty issue, but he is subject to change his mind at any given time. If you have a policy, stand by it, and enforce it. Do not support something and then abandoned it, that is like spanking your kid for fucking up, then saying your sorry, or it's ok little Johnny. I agree with the death penalty for certain crimes, although I probably shouldn't, cause I may find myself on deathrow someday because some , bleeding heart, liberal democrat, made me bludgen them to death with a 36inch steel dildo for not supporting abortion and fagats rights.

Sorry but I just love this one!
http://img59.exs.cx/img59/1929/kerry_simmons.jpg