beat a Prelude

i just thought of something


You could buy a
Supra and two HKS turbines 20000 dollars in total still cheaper :D and its a supra :cool:

A lot of you aren't keeping things fair though. You're comparing the prices of a BRAND NEW SS to other cars much older than it. So OF COURSE the SS is going to cost more...It's brand new! I'll use myself as an example...I bought a 1995 Camaro Z28 for 9,900 from a dealer. Not too bad at all. Let's assume the price of a BRAND NEW Civic EX to be 15,500. So that's a difference of $5500 approx. Now, for that $5500, I know for a fact that I could make my car run a quicker slip than that same Civic with $10,000 worth of mods. So if you're looking to run fast for cheap, pick up a used v8 performance vehicle. I also liked the fact that someone pointed out the value of the late 80s and early 90s Camaro's and Firebirds. Those things are great! 12 seconds for $2500 worth of mods?? You can't beat that!:)

actually i was comparing my car brand new to a camaro ss brand new. my 4 cylinder drops into low 15s stock for $18k, put the other $12k into mods and i GUARANTEE i will smoke the ss.

hey kidrocket, i didnt mean to come off as an asshole, i just dont like posers, that said, i unfortuantly dont have a car, im not even gonna be 16 for a month yet. but i am buying an early 90s camaro soon. i work on cars all day for my job, and i have grown up around hot rods, so just because im young doesnt mean i dont know my shit. im in a chevy family, so this whole opinion has kinda been drilled into my head. my mom has a 77 corvette (yes, its slow) that has 32,000 miles, original paint and interior. its in almost perfect shape and its unrestored. she is selling that soon, tho. she just bought a 93 40th anniversary corvette with a 6 speed and the maroon paint on maroon leather. my dad has a 56 chevy that he bought in '71. right now it has a 327 with dual quads and a huge cam, its running almost 500 horses and it runs 12's on street tires.

thats a pretty impressive lineup. and hey who doesnt hate the kids that have about 50 stickers on their cars with only one mod. <the fartpipe drooping from the rear axle>? at one point my dad had a 10 second volkswagen. it was turbod and bored out to 2.2 liters. it ran a best of 10.7 at 127.with a complete interior and 700 watt system instead of a backseat. too bad he got rid of it before i got my liscense.

wow, 10 seconds in anything is impressive, but in a vw with a full interior? thats amazing. i think u getting your liscense is probably one of the reasons he got rid of it. lol

im not insured to drive any of my parents cars except for my dads astrovan, so that blows

Originally posted by Self
A lot of you aren't keeping things fair though. You're comparing the prices of a BRAND NEW SS to other cars much older than it. So OF COURSE the SS is going to cost more...It's brand new! I'll use myself as an example...I bought a 1995 Camaro Z28 for 9,900 from a dealer. Not too bad at all. Let's assume the price of a BRAND NEW Civic EX to be 15,500. So that's a difference of $5500 approx. Now, for that $5500, I know for a fact that I could make my car run a quicker slip than that same Civic with $10,000 worth of mods. So if you're looking to run fast for cheap, pick up a used v8 performance vehicle. I also liked the fact that someone pointed out the value of the late 80s and early 90s Camaro's and Firebirds. Those things are great! 12 seconds for $2500 worth of mods?? You can't beat that!:)

What are you on about

I think you're talking out of you arse mainly because this was inresponse to the topic belair shared with us

A camaro SS is in a completely different class to a
Civic so everyone GET OVER IT

The point was that Civics aren't bad and are affordable unlike Camaro's

Originally posted by kidrocket
thats a pretty impressive lineup. and hey who doesnt hate the kids that have about 50 stickers on their cars with only one mod. <the fartpipe drooping from the rear axle>? at one point my dad had a 10 second volkswagen. it was turbod and bored out to 2.2 liters. it ran a best of 10.7 at 127.with a complete interior and 700 watt system instead of a backseat. too bad he got rid of it before i got my liscense.


haha fart pipe i saw a Camaro SS with dual fart pipes that was hilarious those Domestic pipes should be banned for being completely stupid

The reason I have my civic is because it is economical, and low maintainance. Before I had my civic I had an 84 S-10 with a 350 in it :D . It was ugly, but hey... it had a 350. I got rid of it because I knew it would be more work and got crappy gas milage. When I get older I want to get another S-10 and shove another 350 in there, but at the moment that wouldn't really suite my needs. I also need a car for college, which my car is ideal.

fair enough

yeah the reason is because a beetle weighs less than 2000 pounds i think. It was dynoed at one point at over 400 hp

it was an old beetle
hahaha

thats what porsches were once .... and still basically are .....rear engined bubble thingies

What does the word Honda mean???????????Reliable.................
I need a car that is reliable and a Honda is so simple to work on......so why 4 cyl....???4 cylinders means good gas mileage. Try pullin 40 mpg out of a v-8. I don't think so. And the New Camaro with 32mpg, that's not when you punch it. American cars are built on the philosophy that Gas is an unlimited resource and we can sit there and buy it all day. Let's see an American 4 cyl family car that dips, they're crap. A 4 cylinder camaro will not beat a Civic. As a matter of fact, a 4cyl Camaro would get dogged by a NON VTEC Civic DX with stick.

lol haha way to make a point you're right as soon as you floor it the gas mileage hits the floor altho most cars do that

i dont mean to beat on hondas, they are great cars, they are cheap, economical, get good gas milage, and can be quick. but they are NOT performance cars, and i just have trouble getting used to people thinking they are. (yes, i am aware that there are fast ones, but they are few and far between)

you're an idiot..... :D in a nice sense


ever heard of Handling

thats a concept yet to reach american shores its about the fact you can enjoy driving the car without going fast

this incidently involves corners which isn't a Domestic Virtue but that of Japan

there goes my neutral stance

Hmm...A Camaro isn't affordable? Maybe not for you, but not everyone is living from paycheck to paycheck. $25,000 is hardly "out of range" for most of use over 21. Also, no matter what car it is, the mileage will drop if you "punch it". You don't buy a Camaro to be economical, it's not supposed to be. But to say that it never can, should, or will be, is equivalent to saying why by a Honda ANYTHING and try and make it fast? That's not what they're supposed to be, so they never will be. How much sense does that make? And don't even get me started on a Volvo...And also don't sit there and try to tell me that a VolvoT is economical...About as much so as my 24 mpg Camaro, and much slower at that. Modding a performance v8 engine to go fast is easier, quicker, and CHEAPER than modding an import engine. Point proven, case closed. That's an irrefutable fact. How much you find the vehicle for is besides the point, you will always be able to find good deals if you shop around enough. So I believe that to be about all...

hey i first brought up the 32 miles per gallon on the Camaro

don't dis my car u fag


it wasn't me who said something about shit
mileage

i already stated that mpg on all cars is fuck all when foot is firmly on floor


so kiss my ass

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
you're an idiot.....


ever head of Handling

thats a concept yet to reach american shores its about the fact you can enjoy driving the car without going fast

this incidently involves corners which isn't a Domestic Virtue but that of Japan

haha, there's no corners in america, now?? You're mistaken however, and your connecting handling with a car's origin is flawed. An Integra doesn't handle good because they are made for cornering or because they come with incrediable suspension parts. They outcorner some domestics because they're light, front-wheel drive, and don't have very much power to throw around. Let America build a car that weighs 2500 lbs, is fwd, and only have 160 hp, and see how close things would be.

i think u should stop flamming me


integras handle better than a camaro face it and as far as i'm concerned you're being an immature kid about this whole affair...

Grow some testicles

i would also like to add


an NSX corners better it produces the same horse power (nearly) and handles better why cuz its a track specialist a Camaro is a Line out specialist

Do you understand the words i am typing i'm sick of this shit!!!

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
hey i first brought up the 32 miles per gallon on the Camaro

don't dis my car u fag


it wasn't me who said something about shit
mileage

i already stated that mpg on all cars is fuck all when foot is firmly on floor


so kiss my ass

Haha, you need to calm down. It's really not that serious, is it young child? I said your car would get SMOKED by mine. Is that a dis? Didn't notice it was, I just thought it was the plain ol' truth. But yes I also didn't point you out for having said anything about mileage, I was merely restating what you had already said, that mileage in any vehicle goes down when you "get on it". So please, calm down. The ph forums aren't for children or adults who choose to act like them. Can't we at least have this discussion in a civalized manner? Or is that a task too difficult for you to muster??

it isn't very clear what you say


and all you V8 people should stop flamming Civics they have nothing to do with V8's its a completely different culture so why do you even start?

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
i think u should stop flamming me


integras handle better than a camaro face it and as far as i'm concerned you're being an immature kid about this whole affair...

Grow some testicles

Maybe you're misusing the term "flaming"...That would be me calling your volvo a slow a$$ piece of ugly s--t that has no business on the road b/c it's a gay car and needs to be repossesed and junked so that there can be more real performance cars on the road. But I haven't done that, and I'm not doing that now. So please just resign yourself to the fact that I'm not flaming you, that I do have a point with merit, and that you aren't able to refute my meritful point with good sense. And stock for stock...I'm 100% positive I could drive my car to victory on a road racing course vs. an Integra.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
it isn't very clear what you say


and all you V8 people should stop flamming Civics they have nothing to do with V8's its a completely different culture so why do you even start?

Oh...P.S. Please find one of my recent posts where I have even MENTIONED a Civic, and quote it for me...Because I don't recall even thinking about a Civic. You're running out of sensical words I think, so now you're trying to make me, the V8 owner, out as the bad guy and have all the "Honda guys" jump on your bandwagon against me. I however, don't think it will work, as most of the people in this forum have more sense than that, and also know(if they were around for the OLD purehonda)that I'm a typical car enthusiast in that I like all cars, and that I am generally very tolerant of imports.

erm the V8 owner was the one who started this arguement


and once again stop flamming

i know plenty of V8 owners who are neutral and good to talk to about cars in general without a hint of B/S

I also know the other type who hate anything Import

Originally posted by Self
I however, don't think it will work, as most of the people in this forum have more sense than that, and also know(if they were around for the OLD purehonda)that I'm a typical car enthusiast in that I like all cars, and that I am generally very tolerant of imports. Hes right. Hes a cool guy too...and trust me, hes not flaming you Mr. NSX. Hes merely just stating facts/opinion. It has nothing to do with flamin. Also, you shouldnt take this stuff too seriously, I mean, in the great sceme of things, does it honestly matter who can take a corner faster?? No, it dosent. Therefore, theres honestly no need to get all worked up about it.

Note: I am in no way trying to make you angry nor do i have a vandetta against you. I am simply trying to help you out...

Originally posted by Self
They outcorner some domestics because they're light, front-wheel drive, and don't have very much power to throw around. Let America build a car that weighs 2500 lbs, is fwd, and only have 160 hp, and see how close things would be.

america does build cars like that. cavalier, escort, malibu, but u dont see those tearing up the corners do u? however other light domestics such as focus and neon do pretty well in road racing circuits, while some japanese cars (such as corollas, camrys, galants) do not handle well.

Originally posted by Self
And stock for stock...I'm 100% positive i could drive my car to victory on a road racing course vs. and Integra.

and stock for stock im 100% positive i could drive my car to victory on a road racing course vs a camaro. also stock for stock im pretty sure a z06 would beat me on a road racing course.

my point here isnt that imports are better handlers or domestics are better handlers, but that it depends on the individual car, not the country it came from.

Originally posted by SickLude
in the great scheme of things, does it honestly matter who can take a corner faster??

IT DOES TO ME!!! :D :licker: :sun::dogpile: :hehehe: :jump:

anyone remember the ole vettenet? well it got closed down years ago cuz assholes like u guys were flaming people. chill out before u get yourselves banned or even worse get parts of this site shut down, keep your comments appropriate, please. its hard to tell what someone means when they say something because u cant see their tone of voice or anything, so just keep that in mind, most people arent trying to be meantwhen they express their opinion.

Originally posted by 327belair
anyone remember the ole vettenet? well it got closed down years ago cuz assholes like u guys were flaming people. chill out before u get yourselves banned or even worse get parts of this site shut down, keep your comments appropriate, please. its hard to tell what someone means when they say something because u cant see their tone of voice or anything, so just keep that in mind, most people arent trying to be meantwhen they express their opinion.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
That's what smileys are for :wave:

Originally posted by 327belair
i dont mean to beat on hondas, they are great cars, they are cheap, economical, get good gas milage, and can be quick. but they are NOT performance cars, and i just have trouble getting used to people thinking they are. (yes, i am aware that there are fast ones, but they are few and far between)

Your telling me that the S2000 is not a performance car? I dont know bout you all, but i dont know many cars that redline at 9000RPM and put out 240HP out of a 2.0L 4cylinder engine.:right:

ok, ill give u that, the s2000 is definitly a performance car, but i was referring more to civics and preludes

preludes have 220hp out of a 2.2litre VTEC engine isn't that good enough? its more than a V6 stang

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
preludes have 220hp out of a 2.2litre VTEC engine isn't that good enough? its more than a V6 stang

100 HP per litre, that sounds pretty good to me, of course that is the JDM Spec. version though. Name an American car that has 100 HP per litre from the factory.
:rolleyes:

Civic Si and the 2002 prelude :D

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
Civic Si and the 2002 prelude :D

Neither of those are American made.
:p

funny isn't it o and the TVR Cerbera 4.5 is the only pushrod V8 that comes close to 100hp per liter at 420hp its pretty close

It's English .......I thought the US was supposed to have the best V8's?

This is why...

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
Everytime I've ever posted a street-racing story, I always include all pertinent, even technical information...when I shifted, what RPM's I went up to, what the car looked like in my rearview;) , etc., etc...instead of just saying: "I spanked a mustang!".

In the current mindset of things, small motors are the underdog, which forces an explanation of anything outside of the "ordinary" (i.e., beating a V8). Just like Columbus trying to explain why the world wasn't flat...

...too bad I don't have the Queen of Spain to back me up.

lol thats a good piece

Originally posted by supafly1024
Neither of those are American made.
:p

Technically they are. Honda of America has plants in Ohio and Canada of other places.

"Designed in America" would be what your thinkin.

no they're not the engines came from Japan ? ? ? well if you drop an engine in it may come from japan


look do i really know ? ? ?

No, there are JDM spec engines and there are USDM spec engines each designed with the specific systems mandated by the particular laws of that country. You really think they make the cars here but make the engines over there?

100 hp per liter...WHO CARES!? When we both go to the track, and I'm putting down 400 rwhp with a 5.7 liter engine, and you're putting down 220 with a 2.2 liter engine, do you know what's going to happen? I'm going to win. And do you know why? Because I have more horsepower. 220 from 2.2 liters is still less than 400 hp from HOWEVER many liters. A V8 is not an efficient engine! Learn that fact, and don't ever forget it! Once you do that, you're on your way to understanding the american philosophy of bigger is better. Besides if we wanted an efficient car, we'd all drive Honda's. It's total horsepower/torque that matters, not hp per liter. That's a nice little fact you can brag about, but when it's all said and done, it's merely an excuse you can use after the race is over and you just ran a 15.0 with 100 hp per liter, while I'm running a 13.5 with about 60 hp per liter.

If it's total HP/TQ that matters, why don't I see Mack Diesels (just the actual tractor, of course) with about 500hp, and 1000+ LB-FT of TQ running the quarter and kicking everybody's arse?

I repeat, POWER-TO-WEIGHT is primary, TRACTION second, and GEARING third...although the TRACTION part is primary among pro dragsters due to the ungodly amounts of power they already have...

...wanna take a bet and we'll e-mail some NHRA crew chiefs?

I'll run any 88HP Geo Metro against that Mack any day.

Originally posted by Self
... while I'm running a 13.5 with about 60 hp per liter.

By the way, I'd love to introduce you to somebody I know who has a 109HP-per-liter TypeR engine in his hatch...he's run a best of 12.9 in the good 'ol, all-American quarter mile race. He did it on his street radials and naturally aspirated...

...he runs mid-13's when he's doing bad...

...and when you're all done drag-racing, he'd love to size you up on a road course as well.

ok people, all of u need to realize that this is hot rodding, which means modifications for more power, speed, style, ect. when were talking modifications, those hondas with 100 hp per litre are much closer to thier power production limit than a small block is. this means that cheap modifications will produce more power more easily on an engine that isnt anywhere near its peak power output. the smallblock chevy will make more power for less money and putting less strain on the engine and driveline. we shouldnt argue abuot what company has the most power stock, because a stock anything sucks.

Did you actually check the page before this and read my previous post, instead of just looking at the comments on the last page?

It wasn't even about stock VS stock, or how expensive it is to modify this and that, compared to this...

...it's about me trying to explain that the world isn't flat.

I have always wondered why these people hang out in the Honda forum :confused: There must be SOMETHING here that they want :eek:

Oh and welcome to PUREHONDA/AUTOMOTIVEFORUMS carrrnut

Originally posted by 91HBSi
I have always wondered why these people hang out in the Honda forum :confused: There must be SOMETHING here that they want :eek:

Oh and welcome to PUREHONDA/AUTOMOTIVEFORUMS carrrnut

Hey thanks, man, but if you look under my sig...

...they just haven't updated my info yet...

Originally posted by carrrnuttt
he'd love to size you up on a road course as well.

bring it...:devil:

the street racing stories are better on the forum than on the regular street racing forum

Does it make a difference? Do you now want me here? Check out the top 5 posts in this forum, and see how many of them deal with imports vs. domestics. Hell, if we weren't here, you people would have NOTHING to talk about...lol...

Originally posted by Self
Does it make a difference? Do you now want me here? Check out the top 5 posts in this forum, and see how many of them deal with imports vs. domestics. Hell, if we weren't here, you people would have NOTHING to talk about...lol...

I agree.

You're cool with me. Have been since last year, when you first came here. I like being able to present my apparently unconventional beliefs (even to some of the compact-car guys in here, apparently) to the ones that really disagrees. Otherwise, what's the point of having my opinions when everybody agrees with me. I just make a point of staying factual, informed and even technical (not that I'm too-good with that stuff...I just read a lot about it), because that is my only weapon against paradigms.

I said "compact-car" above because more and more, it's becoming less about Imports VS. Domestics, but about Old Displacement Tech VS. New Replacement Hi-tech. I say that because some of today's "American cars" are assembled off-shore, or contain up to 50% or more foreign parts, and the "Imports" are assembled here with parts largely manufactured here. Just like John Deere is built in Japan and Komatsu is built right here.

You can't say small-engine VS. big-engine either, because I would certainly support it wholeheartedly when the Honda V8 comes out...not to mention Toyota's and Nissan's current crop of V8's and V6's.

I'm like Columbus (to use that phrase again) trying convince everybody there's a new world out there.

Bottomline: keep an open mind...

Originally posted by Self
100 hp per liter...WHO CARES!? When we both go to the track, and I'm putting down 400 rwhp with a 5.7 liter engine, and you're putting down 220 with a 2.2 liter engine, do you know what's going to happen? I'm going to win. And do you know why? Because I have more horsepower. 220 from 2.2 liters is still less than 400 hp from HOWEVER many liters. A V8 is not an efficient engine! Learn that fact, and don't ever forget it! Once you do that, you're on your way to understanding the american philosophy of bigger is better. Besides if we wanted an efficient car, we'd all drive Honda's. It's total horsepower/torque that matters, not hp per liter. That's a nice little fact you can brag about, but when it's all said and done, it's merely an excuse you can use after the race is over and you just ran a 15.0 with 100 hp per liter, while I'm running a 13.5 with about 60 hp per liter.


thats not the point the point is that they're completely different class cars and never would be put together in a real race you V8 guys should stop picking on the cheap imports and race the supras and other twin turbos etc....get it?

Ill bet i know why domestic drivers come in here

same reason i post in the ford, dodge, and chevy forums.

here it is

PEOPLE LIKE CARS

who gives a rats ass what they drive?

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K



thats not the point the point is that they're completely different class cars and never would be put together in a real race you V8 guys should stop picking on the cheap imports and race the supras and other twin turbos etc....get it?

Originally posted by ldelaysionl

but still the idea of building an import is to try to use the money u saved by getting the 4 cylinder to give u more mods than the v8 and therefore win.

NOW try and tell me who's picking on who?? A fellow import driver said it himself, the point of modifying an import is too eventually smoke performance V8s. Trying to deny that fact is a waste of time, lol. Admit it, when an import driver sees a big, burly, loud V8 pass, thoughts of eventually smoking him pop into their head, lol. "Wait until I get my turbo", is a term often used. Either way, I'm not picking on anyone. I will race anyone who wants to race. And with my old car, I would almost ALWAYS win. With this car, I still almost ALWAYS win. 13.5 isn't that fast on the track, but on the street, that's still pretty quick. By your reasoning, the only cars I'm allowed to race are those that aren't made anymore? Supra's, 300ZX's, Rx-7's, and Vr-4's?? lol, odd...

yes i'll admitt that

but whats the fucking point if they do the other way round
???????

Originally posted by Self
when an import driver see a big, burly, loud v8 pass, thoughts of eventually smoking him pop into their head

when i see ANYTHING pass the 1st thing i think is can i beat it, whether its a camaro or a 300zx or a toyota camry. :D i dont single out by saying im out to beat v8s, or im out to beat imports. im out to beat EVERYTHING! granted my car CANT beat everything, but my goal is to eventually beat everything out there, which is everyone else who mods a car for racing's goal, whether they drive an import or domestic. anyone out there who likes racing cant tell me they dont wanna be the fastest car on the street. we just all have different ways of going about it. some of us buy a lightweight car (mainly imports) and try to just make enough hp that the weight takes care of the rest. some of us say screw weight (mainly domestics) and put a big heavy giant motor in so we can make enough hp to compensate for the weight. its not really that one or the other is better, more of your personal preferences on which kind of car u like.

or it could be something as simple as u like the feel of the raw torque twisting your chassis cuz your blown 454 makes WAAAY too much power for your car ("i think i crapped my pants on that run"). or maybe u like the look in the guy with the v8's face when your turbo 4 cylinder import smokes him ("boy that cobra driver never saw that coming"). its all just about what u like.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
yes i'll admitt that

but whats the fucking point if they do the other way round
???????

When's the last time you saw a performance domestic owner say, "Man, I can't wait until I can smoke that Civic"? Most domestic owners however do like to smoke imports on the street though, b/c it gives them the feeling of showing them who's boss.