detuneing a bike

I am thinking about buying 02 r6 as my first bike, I was woundering if it would be possible to detune this bike, if so how much ??
thanks

why not just get a slower and cheaper bike to start then upgrade later?

do you have your heart set on this bike?
if you really want to limit a bike's performance then the only way to really stop the bike from going quick is difficult. its so technical i might have to draw some schematics and then post them. in a nut shell what you do is either
1)when sitting on the machine comfortably and with all the correct safety gear turn the key BUT instead of hitting the start button, make 'broom broom' noises or
2) if you have to actually move then once on the road and moving, the right hand control limit switch must be activated. to do this you have to bypass and override the the 'f23kwit' gene in the main control CPU.

if you need further help ask your mum

:lol:

get something else.

it would have been a lot easier just to no you can't detune it thx for the great help

I am sure you probably can detune the R6, helk, in the bike world, anything is possible. but from where you stand, you shouldn't get a R6. I am guessing you're aware of the power it has, thus you want to downgrade it right? but you like the looks of R6. Well, beginners shouldn't be concerned with looks. IMO, it's the speed and the cage-free thrills that would get me on a bike, not how neo-futura and slick it looks. But few would contest R6 is a fine bike to start on, most smart riders would say nay.

If you have your heart set on the R6 just watch that the steering drops into the turn automatically at lower speeds more then any other sport bike in the 600cc class, which might weird you out and would take some time to get used to. Also if you want to detune set the idle lower so you don't wheelie off the get go and also cover up your airbox (ducttape will do the trick) so that your engine doesn't get as much air, I did this to my friends CBR600R since he was a new rider and had fallen off it twice in about a week of getting it. After that he didn't have anymore problems, his bike was a bit slower so he could handle it better and when his riding skills improved I took off the tape and reset his idle. He hasn't had a problem with bike over-performance (a.k.a. rider inexperience) since. heh and if you use you "head" when riding, shift in to higher gears (even in sixth gear around town) when riding to keep the rpm under 6000. Not only will you save gas driving at lower rpm, but you will reduce the wear and tear on your bike! Good luck

Come on mate. Where's your sense of humor. Why do you want an R6 so much? Have you read the "first bike" threads and decided that detuning was an option to make it safer for you to learn.

Have you read Flex339' story in the thread "just got my first bike".
Short version (apologies to flex339) he stacked! lucky it was a cheap bike. imagine the damage done to an R6 in the same style of accident

learn first then upgrade.
I know this will get the same old response of "its ok to learn on 600's" but the all the first bike threads say the same thing and only the smart newbies seem to read it. good luck anyway

Well, at least he knows he can't handle the power. Unlike most people around my area, they think a helmet, backpack, a pair of shorts, and a t-shirt will save them in a crash, oh and did I forget to mention they ride litre bikes as well?

:rofl: you guys have helmets? here, it's basball caps and beach shades. we got slim shadys on crotch rockets :D

:rofl: you guys have helmets? here, it's basball caps and beach shades. we got slim shadys on crotch rockets :D
Florida, I assume? :screwy:

For the original poster- the R6's power is just one reason why it's not good to start on. The primary reason is because the bike's geometry is setup so it has very fast turn-in with little steering input. This makes for a fast track bike, but one that's twitchy and hard to control for new riders.
Let your brain decide which bike to get, not your ego.

Come on mate. Where's your sense of humor. Why do you want an R6 so much? Have you read the "first bike" threads and decided that detuning was an option to make it safer for you to learn.

Have you read Flex339' story in the thread "just got my first bike".
Short version (apologies to flex339) he stacked! lucky it was a cheap bike. imagine the damage done to an R6 in the same style of accident

learn first then upgrade.
I know this will get the same old response of "its ok to learn on 600's" but the all the first bike threads say the same thing and only the smart newbies seem to read it. good luck anyway


hehe it's all good aussie. I don't mind that I stacked. I write it off as a learning experience. I've since fixed the bike up. I went to a local bike shop and got some gloves and oil change items. The highlight of the trip was a guy that stopped by on a katana 600. He said he wanted some performance upgrades so he could pull third gear wheelies. The store owner told him that it wasn't going to happen on that bike and to buy a liter bike if he really wanted to. :grinno:

Don't worry though he was only wearing a silk t-shirt,loose pants, and a helmet of course.

Another interesting thing I noticed was that a Kawasaki Z1000 was only about 2/3's the size of the Katana 600 yet it's a liter bike.

:rofl: you guys have helmets? here, it's basball caps and beach shades. we got slim shadys on crotch rockets :D

Are the roads painted red there? Cuz it would help with the clean up :evillol:

Few months ago, I saw a really sweet looking black street bike (wasn't close enough to see what it was though) lifeless in middle of the road. The frame and bulk of it was still there, but one of the tire was gone, and all the little trinkets were shattered to pieces. This green minivan had a pretty nasty front fender bender. To say the least, I think it hit the engine. I tried to deny it, but my mother was with me, and she said, "I think somene's dead. I feel so terrible for the mother of that boy." We were at far away distance, so all I saw was someone being hauled off into the helicopter, and was fully covered in green cloth. And the other party was I guess taken via ambulance. as it stayed there for a while. I tried to tell myself, whoever was carried off in the helicopter, just needed urgent attention. Well you can guess who was lifted to the hospital by a whirly. It had created major traffic jam, so at first I had to park the car nearby shopping plaza where I witnessed some of it. I have no idea when the crash occured. So with no luck of traffic clearing, I went back and joined the congestion, so slowly, as I was passing the site of accident, I just saw more debris from the bike. I didn't see the helmet anywhere, don't know what happend to it. And there was no sign of dragging or skidmarks. From my view, the minvan was busted in the upcoming traffic, and I am guessing the bike was fling all the way to the other side, on-going traffic (where I was heading) due to the impact. It was middle of an intersection, so that explains a bit.

Anyway as for the roads, it alway seems like constructions season, 2/4 lanes are always blocked or lanes on freeways are ridiculously narrow for cages, and at many places, there are no visible lines for each lane.

in really bad accidents, the helmet stays on until the cut it off in the ER.

NEVER REMOVE A BIKERS HELMET AFTER AN ACCIDENT!!!!!!!!!

it may be the only thing keeping him alive.

i came up on an accident where the guy was on the ground, jeans torn off, jacket slightly ripped and no sneakers and the by standers tried to remove his helmet so as to give cpr. i stopped and forcefully stopped them from doing it until the ambulance arrived. unfortunately he died on the table as they removed the helmet. it was all that was keeping pressure on the wound at the base of his skull. his bike was a zx9 and was pretty banged up.
my estimate of what happened:
being in front of a pickup area of the local mall, he's popped it up but had to bring it down to stop after a van pulled in front. it was on a crest of a hill. as he brought it down he's crossed up the front and down a cartwheel with the bike. RIP

it really messes with your head when you see someone who one day could be you!

on a lighter note.

flex, i hope your stack helps newbies know the dangers and can appreciate what we all try to tell the dickheads who want to start on R1's or brand new R6's or similar.
new bikes are only getting smaller and more powerful and therefore the power/weight ratio's are getting so close to 1:1

shit, what kinda piece of shit helmet was it? it didn't sound like his body sustained too many injuries. i thought all full-face helmets are made of kevlar.

I'm looking to get a shoei from a friend at work right now and got some riding gloves so if/when I go down again I'll be more prepared. The front fork seals are blown and the front tire loses pressure. This makes turning very shitty and is why the bike is grounded until it's at a 100%.

DON"T BUY A SECOND HAND HELMET!!!!!!!!!
especially top brands.
the foam inside moulds to your head and if it isn't a snug fit you leave yourself open to injury. imagine your mate has a large bump in a spot on his head where you have an indent. May only be 1/2 inch difference but if you hit that spot in an accident you are not as protected as you should be. if money is tight buy the best new one you can affordand upgrade later. if your anything like i was when i was a newbie, i dropped my helmet and scratched it and then once i learnt all the things not to do , i bought my second. They should be replaced every three to five years anyway due to the foam liner breaking down on a molecular level. hell if money is that tight i'll post you my old Dianese glove's just to help you buy a new helmet.

i forgot to answer Z. not all helmets are carbon/ kevlar. if you look at your safety standards, all they have to do is pass basic tests. how well they pass is not an issue. plastic helmats can pass on the right day. once the test helmets have passed then the rest are assumed to be ok. that said any brand might produce one helmet every now and then that is a 'friday-arvo special' and not be all that it could be.

i'll only ever buy shoei because it fits my head just right compared to arai but my wife likes agv. price difference is $1000aus to $350 but the amount shes on the bike, it's still appropriate.
he was wearing a lazer helmet
i believe you should spend as much on a helmet as your head is worth

ya, I already budgeted my helmet to be nowhere less than USD $400.00 or at least kevlars. what models of Shoei/Arai/Suomy are kevlars? I checked out the site, it doesn't say much about composite material, other than the cliche like "top of the line"/"state of the art" BS.

my old shoei X9 which was my first helmet was top of the line when I got it and it has inside a list of materials stating composite of carbon fibre, fibreglass and poly resin. my new XR1000 has only fibreglass and poly resin in its list. it isn't top of the line but one or two under, but still better than the old X9. Wifee's helmet (agv) is poly resin and aramide fibre, wahtever that is

If a $150 helmet isn't going to save you, a $500 one isn't either.

These work just as well as a $400-500 Shoei or Arai.

http://helmetharbor.com/estore/products.cfm?seriesid=HJC+CL-14

well think about it, carbon fiber should offer more protection than mere plastics, same goes for strong poly resins. and kevlars, heh, good ones are able to stop bullets, which is issued in the military.

ouch, not cool. Last summer on my road a guy was killed on his bike. The road i live on is a nice long striaght away freshly paved with new tar so its goregous. Anyways i also live right across from a Legion Hall for vets and i was sitting outside working on my firebird and i hear this SCREAMING bike come down the road, I didnt bother to look up as its not unusual for bikes/cars to race down the road, and not 5 seconds later i hear this loud screeching noise, then not even a millisecond later i hear a loud BANG! like someone shot a shotgun right next to me, so startled i look up just in time to see this guy hit a minivan near the front when it was pulling out and was thrown off his bike INTO on coming traffic, sadly i dont think he new what hit him after the minivan befor the lights went out for him. I swear my heart stopped for atleast 10 seconds, it was like time slowed down and i was watching some bad dream. To spare you details, he was struck by a pickup truck soon after he hit the pavement from the minivan. So ontop of him hitting the minivan and then getting crushed by the truck, anther car hit the minivan as it was pulling out when the van hit the brakes and saw him coming. It really messed with your head, seeing how a human can be so fragile, and get tossed like a weightless paper doll.


But while i feel pain for this guy, he was also being VERY stupid, our street is a 30 mph zone, and I heard they said he was doing upwards of 75 when he hit the minivan. Was a loooong night as I had to be questioned as to what i saw and fill out a report. Sad sad day, but just goes to show you, that no matter how good you are, you cant ever lose respect for your machine or the road.

also keep in my mind that the bastardly cops tend to exaggerate the speed, ranking it higher than actually was, just to deem the rider as his fault, always.

also keep in my mind that the bastardly cops tend to exaggerate the speed, ranking it higher than actually was, just to deem the rider as his fault, always.


Still doesnt change the fact that he was doing well over the legal speed limit, and if he had been following it, he probably wouldnt have been killed. We dont have many bikes around here, and hte ones we do have are really quite responsible on the road, but there are a select few that think they are invincible.

granted there are squids and squid-like drivers. but your typical 600 cc sportbike''s real power kicks in the mid-range of rpm, from anywhere 5000-7000 is daily driving/cruising. it suffers below that, and it's not a good idea to keep it below for long period. that is well above your local speed limit, 45-55 mph. so it is perfectly normal for a rider to be cruising 10-20 mph above the speed limit. 50% of the accidents are always the cager's fault. as for the rest 50%, it's because road hazards, or rider's inexperience, lack of good judgement, or sometimes just unlucky or uncontrollable factors. but almost always, cops try to blame it on the rider, whether it's his fault or not. there's been countless mishaps where the cops denoted the rider was excessively speeding, when in reality, he/she was the only 10 mph above. cagers just don't/won't see your motorcycle, even if you're parked in front of his windshield.

10 mph over the speed limiti in NY is grounds to have your liscense swiped no questions asked

If a $150 helmet isn't going to save you, a $500 one isn't either.



These work just as well as a $400-500 Shoei or Arai.



http://helmetharbor.com/estore/products.cfm?seriesid=HJC+CL-14

HJC is an EXCELLENT helmet. The AC-11 (advanced composite, I don't have my helmet with me to list the components) cost me $250 when it was a new model, and at that, it was b/c it has a chromed paint scheme. Most of them can be had for $125-175 now. It is SNELL-M2000 rated, and that's the important part.

DOT tests aren't enough, folks. TRY AS HARD AS YOU CAN to get something that has the SNELL sticker on it. It is only put through one extra test, but that's one more passed test I want protecting my head.

Also, when you find the helmet that fits your head, you'll know it. I tried on at least 10 different helmets. Then the sales guy found the one I have now, and it was love at first wear...er, yeah. Something like that. Anyhoo... the helmet felt AMAZING when I put it on. It was like, "how have I ever lived without this helmet before???". It STILL doesn't shift after a year's wearing.

10 mph over the speed limiti in NY is grounds to have your liscense swiped no questions asked

how 'bout just a ticket?

hey wolf, i reckon your right if the accident is big but in minor accidents i'd rather walk away with a headache than poosible dain bramage

Ok well I might get the HJC AC-11 then. I'll look into it more.

i'm assuming that you guys have bike stores where you can try all different brands. go to one and try all the brands you can. you might find the one you like best isn't one that any one has mentioned. i had my heart set on arai coz Doohan rode in arai but they didn't make one big enough so i use shoei. just be wise enough to buy a reputable brand and not a cheap chinese model

how did we get so far off topic????????

i'm assuming that you guys have bike stores where you can try all different brands. go to one and try all the brands you can. you might find the one you like best isn't one that any one has mentioned. i had my heart set on arai coz Doohan rode in arai but they didn't make one big enough so i use shoei. just be wise enough to buy a reputable brand and not a cheap chinese model

how did we get so far off topic????????
b/c you're around. :p

how 'bout just a ticket?


Sorry not swiped, but suspended.

fuck, there are some reallll mindless people out there that are soon to be brainless if they keep riding in summer clothes and baseball hats... so sad.

and fucking hell what is with you yanks "no offence to the good fellas out there that can ride and have knowledge of what there doing", but fuck guys, just because the leaners permit SAYS you can have a 600, doesnt mean you HAVE to own one!

THINK about it, not with the part of your brain that says "but i want to be cool and look real fast and be respected" , with the part of your brain that realises how sad your mother will be when she gets a call saying her son/daughter is splattered over the local highway...

with ANYTHING in life, you gotta start at the bottom, that's where all these 1litre riders came from, am i right?


totally off the topic> Z whats that beautiful piece of machinery as your signature... SPR ? thats what my eyes can see :)

in defense of squids (the people you're referring to), they think with their dicks, not brain cells. It's all about being a poser and getting laid, hehe.

anyway, the bike below is MV Agusta F4 SPR. Made with carbon-fiber body panels. It was recently featured in "I, Robot" movie.

www.mvagusta.com

squids? lol im not down with all the lingo, im a newb, but im pretty sure i know how to do things safe, its common sense for f's sake.

that bike is niiiice man, i'd like to find out what it weighs.... whats the price tag on it?

refer to this for lingo:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=222359

what's common sense is not so common apparently.

It's roughly 750 CC with dry weight of 413.6 lbs or 188 kilos. Top speed is around 177-183 mph (286-294 km/h). I am sure there is a rev-limiter somewhere in there. Body shell composed of thermoplastic and carbon fiber. It certainly isn't the lightest sportbike around, but probably for a reason. Price estimated to be somewhere around USD $17K-20K (AUD $24K-28K in kangaroo speak).

aahahahaha kangaroo speak
sounds nice, wayyyy too much for me, ever, not for my second, third or fourth bike! lol

btw, is this whats known as "draggin a knee"? ;)

http://orsm.net/php/showmemore.php?count=621&folder=../shite

it's what I'd call road-rash or road-kill.

btw, that's a porn site, so here's the link to the pic only:

http://orsm.net/shite/rs0622.jpg

so next time, just post the link of the pic.

porn site?? you mean because of the advert's on there? hope so, lol sorry!..

btw, what do you ride?

carefull newbie. theres alot of yanks here and a moderator hangs here too. that link didn't work for me due to being a forbidden site.
alot of the guys here are sensible enough even though they ride 600's.
shit i've already admited to being a squid. :evillol:

aahahahaha kangaroo speak
sounds nice, wayyyy too much for me, ever, not for my second, third or fourth bike! lol

Damn, wish we had 250 cc newbie restrictions here as well. It certainly has given you the right attitude.

But honestly, if you're still achin for 600s, come on over here mate. lol. Most people start on CBR600 F4is or R6. Your timid about a 750, hehe, there are people who consider 600 too little of power for them, so they start on a 1000. Some get a 600 just to get a R1 three months later.

hahah aussieidiot i wasnt refferring to them in a nasty way, its just the only idiots on here that I see are usually yanks (idiots="squids") hehe whooo i used lingo!

And im sure alot of guys that ride 600's are sensible, but i like Australias idea (or Victoria, dont know what its like for your state) of limiting learners to 250's... cant get much safer than that.. especially people that have never ridden a motorbike before. shit, when i was 16, 125cc was plenty on my dirt bike, i shat my self when i gave it everything for the first time..

lol and yeah, squidding to an extent can be fun, i wouldnt mind leaving my helmet off one day for a quick cruise to the local shop on a hot summers day to feel the wind in my hair (fuck that sounds lame) but it only takes that one time, no matter how careful YOU are, to turn your head into mum's scrambled eggs

:) and i've apologised for the link, it worked fine for me, no porn except for the banner up top.. i mean no disrespect :D

btw dude found a nice honda cbr250rr for $4,300, sorry in advance if the link doesnt work, but try check it out :)

http://www.bikesales.com.au/pls/bikesales/!bike_content.display_bike?service_id=160&total_rec=12&current_rec=1&order_by=make_name+%3Asort_order%2Cmodel_name+%3As ort_order%2C+bike_id+desc&sort_type=ASC&bike_id=16182&multi_flag=0&make_id=37&model_id=569&price_max=5000




http://orsm.net/shite/rs0607 < ---- what do you call a family of squid?

Damn, wish we had 250 cc newbie restrictions here as well. It certainly has given you the right attitude.

But honestly, if you're still achin for 600s, come on over here mate. lol. Most people start on CBR600 F4is or R6. Your timid about a 750, hehe, there are people who consider 600 too little of power for them, so they start on a 1000. Some get a 600 just to get a R1 three months later.


shit, thats crazy man, i'd like to know the statistics of how many people die on motorbikes in the states!

do you reckon going from a 250 (once im entirely confident i can handle anything i throw at it) to a 1000 is not suicide? :)

shit, thats crazy man, i'd like to know the statistics of how many people die on motorbikes in the states!

do you reckon going from a 250 (once im entirely confident i can handle anything i throw at it) to a 1000 is not suicide? :)

A lot. But probably not as much as Australia, since we have more riders population wise, and no 250 restriction. But I heard there are quite a lot of motorcycle fatalities in Australia as well.

I am not sure what sort of ranking system OZ has, but if after 250, you can gather you confidence, get a 600. 1000 will still be a bad idea in my opinion. Blayne (Aussieidiot) here rides a 954, so he can give good description of what it's like in the bigger bikes. With kangaroo speak, I'm sure you can understand him better. Right mate?

OI OI OI! :aus: :D

hahahaahhahaha you crack me up dude :) thanks for all the info, you guys are great!

i went from my 250 and test rode all the 600's that were second hand 96 models
zxr600. not comfy
cbr600 not enough character to scare me. felt like still on a 250
thundercat was cool but UGLY
eventually bought 96 GSXR750 and man that thing scared me daily.
even though i ride a blade i still am a gixer boy at heart

why not go back? I hear there is a rumor that '04 gixxer 750 could be best bike of the year in motorcyclist/sportrider magazine or something.

perfect track bikes but price was a factor. new 954 $15000, second hand 03 750 $16000 or 03 gsxr1000 for $16500

even the cbr600rr was 17000 ride away
still very happy though

weird. I think here, the '03 954 would definitely be more expensive than '03 gixxer 750.

I hear the Honda riders have no balls, hehe, it's too easy on a Honda. You don't feel anything. :icon16:

you could be right. its very easy to ride a blade compared to the others but reliability is also there. my old gixer was fun due to being unpredictable but the blade does everything i ask and if i make a mistake it doesn't misbehave.

still looks hot until it's next to cbr600rr or 04 r1

well the 954 has a distinctive quality, it's most distinguishible from the current CBR line ups. Since the CBR 6R and 1R are identical.

don't like the new cbr1000rr. just don't like the bodywork. maybe in a different colour scheme and it 40kg heavier apparently. that won't be good for power to weight

i think it makes up for it somehow though, honda is more about refining their components than decreasing weight like the other 3. but yeah, I'd probably stick with your 954, it's basically built on a 600.

i read the reviews of the top 4 (cbr/zxr/gsxr/r1) but on the street there's 2/5's of fuck all between them. it all comes down to personal choice. i love the new r1 but have heard its a dog compared to the last model. love gixers but hate the single stacked headlight