Prius--my view

Mileage figures are vastly over rated in the Prius. Source: NHTSA.
They are not good looking. Source: Me.
They are driven mostly by Liberals. Source: You.
Liberals care about the planet. Conservatives do not. Source: You.
Lastly, If you read the thread, you would know that I sold it because to even get near the advertized mileage---the technique of driving was agonal, boring and dangerous. To Wit: They are always in the slow lane.

not overrated: highway figures of EPA are under 50 mph as ALREADY STATED.
They are good looking: source IDEA Gold Award for 2004
Mostly driven by liberals: Source, YOU
Liberals care about planet, conservatives do not. Source: common knowledge.
Lastly, I know why you sold it and why you did not get the advertised mileage.

i am GLAD you don't have a Prius.

Good looking? Janet Reno attractive? Oh no Madeline Albright. Point is your taste sucks so I would not comment on looks.
Talk abought the cheap velour seats that start to wear the first month. Have you looked at the drivers seat of a 2 year old Prius, you little genius you?
Don't thin out the forests---let them burn.
Complete the picture----your from a blue state aren't you. I KNOW your not from MS.---your not smart enough.

You are now driving a saab so you shouldn't comment on looks.
Talk about cheap velour seats that have shown no wear at all after a month. Maybe the Prius can't stand your fat conservative ass.
Don't burn the forest, burn your house when you're sleeping.
Complete the picture--- i didn't say I was liberal, nor conservative, nor what state I was from. And in actuality, I'm from a red state. So much for simple, single minded, low IQ idiots who think they can assume whatever they want.

By the way, you spelled you're incorrectly.

yo i have a prius im 17

i go from NYC to canada averaged 68 miles per gallon in 48 degree weather

your TDI cant do that

VW TDI's have more problems i had a 01 Jetta TDI with lots of sensors going bad, specifically my MAF that went out 5 times in one year.

my prius no problems..



im not saying other cars suck im just saying your wrong with everything your describing and ur hard headed brain better understand ur a big dumbass talking shit about a car you know nothing about. and u better realize if a prius is bigger than a jetta, and prius has more torque ( 342 ft lbs )

please reply with more bs please. because ur just a dumbass

FUCKING BITCH DIE AND TPLZ BAN ME

bitch u dont know anything about cars,

bitch ur a dumbass
u fuckin fool
prius means im a genius
ur saab means ur a araab

look
too many people talk shit about a car they dont know, listen

its like you talking about a Geo Metro saying its fast.


think about the POS ur driving fag

u fag
u fag
u fag


im flaming because prius people needs a flame man

they dont argue

im tired of this

I LOVE YOU

342 ft lbs of torque= love

guess what man ur car sucks,
hi

may i start by saying, your a dumbass, period. and another thing, if you didnt get over 50 mpg on your prius, i really dont know how you were driving, if your trying to race in a prius stop kidding yourself. then again, your taste in cars isn't too good if your bought a TDi. lets see

prius: 60/51 mpg (for normal people who know how to drive)
Jetta TDi: 38/46 mpg (not even close)

emmisions
prius: almost zero

Tdi: have you ever seen that black shit coming out of a mack trucks exahust pipes? yep, thats coming out of your car too. byebye enviorment.

Hp:
Prius: 114
TDi: 100

in conclusion, prius dominates you

Mauleskyrocket. I would have to say, that your argument is full of fallacies. There is not one speck of support, yet you choose to take on the opinions of others who have done their homework by actually looking into the subject matter. First: Prius can look good to one person and bad to another. Its a matter of opinion, and frankly, I think its quite beautiful. Secondly, I do in fact get the reported mpg consistently. I guess your Prius didn't like you. I'm not going to continue devalidifying your arguments. You're too petty of a thinker to waste my time arguing with.

btw, im glad i dont live in MS, and im also glad the i dont find my sisters and cousins attractive.

PRIUS!! :)

Mississippi. According to http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm , you live in the state with the lowest average IQ. I am flattered that you thought I lived in a blue, more intelligent, state.

Why is Prius under investigation from NHTSA???? MS. people are obviously superior. Go back to post 1. Drive a Prius on the highway at 70 with air on and you are lucky to get 42 mpg. NHTSA agrees. The TDI will give 50 under those conditions. Also Kurt Wallander backs the SAAB. You guys are Kerry losers. Send your money to Hilary and complain until the next election you pinko.Go meet with your Prius's and and comfort each other. You need it children.

so in otherwords your saying you dont care about the air and the enviorment and you wouldnt mind living in with massive amounts of somg in the air from the diesel exhaust???

You dope. Should an F16 not fly? Do you want them grounded. You pinko's are really dumb. Go read your history. Listen to ALGORE the maniac and drive your Prius. The country is at war and you liberals are worried about pollution. I have news for you the air is getting cleaner! And that was before your duracell cars. Give me a good engine and a Charley one horse hat and a nice blond. You can have Hilary, Albright and ALGORE and your fraud car.

Boy, your Prius does not represent all. The rest of the Prius owners get better than 42 mpg in those conditions. It seems like your Prius did not like its driver.

No one is asking F16 to be grounded are they? You don't think that car pollution has a greater impact than F16 pollution? Now THAT's dumb. No one is arguing with you about politics so why did you bring it up? In fact, I'm not even a democrat so why do you think I'm going to care? I have news for you, CO2 is growing because the population is growing. You don't think global warming is going to affect you? Listen, higher sea temperatures = more chances for hurricanes. Why have we had so many more hurricanes this year than last? Simple, global warming. Talking about war? How about the constant battle that 17 million Americans must live through each day because they have asthma. You think a few soldiers dying every day is so dramatic, how about 82 people every day who suffocate to death because of pollution. And as for the car being fraud, you have no proof. Once again I rest my case with www.greenhybrid.com .

Oh and i also wonder why the National Highway Traffic SAFETY Administration would have anything to do with fuel economy figures. Doesn't seem like that is their specialty. Do you have a link for your arguement?

What are you a captain of? Your Prius duracell? Global Warming is nonsense. Cyclicle weather patterns. We have always had warming and coolong. See, now I know you not smart enough to be from MS. and I know you are no republican. I know you love your Prius. Been to Talledega with it?

I should add that the role of passive smoke in making the lives of people/children with hypersensitive airway disease is absolute and criminal. Anyone smoking in a public place should be tossed out on their a**.

Research shows direct correlation with increased amount of CO2 with increasing temperature. Unless this "cycle" is a coincidence and happens to coincide with the increasing amount of CO2, it is pretty obvious that Global Warming is real.

I also don't see how making fun of my screen name is proving any of your arguements.

And I also don't see what duracell has anything to do with this. Prius does not use duracell batteries and are far more optimized than what you try to make of it.

I apologize for maligning your title. Extensive CO2 cores taken from Antartica (as in no pollution) show a continual variance in CO2 over the past 1000 years. The levels---before cars---far exceed any levels seen now. As you know Mt. St Helens is now the biggest polluter in the West of this nation. So be happy with your Prius/Duracell but please don't tell us your saving the planet Captain.

I'm still curious as to why you are using Duracell with the Prius.

Mt St. Helens was the biggest polluter when it erupted, but it still goes without saying that the Earth's temperature has risen in direct correlation to increasing CO2 levels on OUR part.

take a look at this
http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/climateuncertainties.html
they address both our arguements, but there is evidence that at least some of the warming is due to human interference.

CO2 isn't the only thing being emitted by cars either. The rest also contribute to the greenhouse effect.

And also, the Prius is helping a lot more than you think. Its use of new materials is less damaging to the environment than conventional cars.

If you still don't think I'm right by saying the Prius will help the environment, take a trip to China. 8% of its GNP has to be used to help those who have health problems due to car pollution. Ground-level ozone is both detrimental to people as well as plants and ecosystems. http://www.epa.gov/air/urbanair/ozone/chf.html

Although this may not affect you at all, it certainly affects my friends who have actually described the effects of asthma as a result of ground-level ozone without actually knowing that car pollution was causing his difficulty to breathe.

Although CO2 output and Global warming can be debated, it is without a doubt that the Prius does more in other areas in dealing with the environment.

The principal problem in China is the use of coal for their factories. Similar to the old Eastern bloc. I will grant you the Prius helps but I don't think it is the answer yet. But your heart is in the right place. As long as a conservative is in that White House---we can all be happy. Merry Christmas Captain.

Its true that a large portion of China's pollution is created by coal in factories and in home. However, places like San Fransisco had a cloud of smog over it when I flew in. Likewise, the friend I am talking about who has difficulty breathing because of pollution lives in Chicago.

Because the Prius uses a miller cycle engine, or atkinson, it is able to reduce the amount of exhaust drastically. It emits 90% less NOx than the average new car. (Even more if compared to diesel)

The Prius uses plant derived plastics which means it does not have to use petroleum that is harmful to the environment.

The Prius' battery is completely recyclable with mild chemicals and Toyota already has a recycling program for those batteries since Nickle is relatively valuable.

If you don't think this is the answer, do you know a better solution?

Fuel cells/Hydrogen require lots of energy to extract the Hydrogen which originates back to coal though power plants. If the whole country used hydrogen we wouldn't be able to use sunlight or water to power the process. Hydrogen is simply too inefficient compared to a gallon of gasoline. A hydrogen powered car was featured in an article, it has 2 large tanks that were stored in the trunk and it only had a range of 200 miles.

Therefore, hydrogen/fuel cells must not be what you are thinking of.

I think the near future is not the hydrogen cell and not the Prius. For many people who work hard, driving is part of their relaxation and enjoyment. I think the future belongs to small and efficient gasoline engines. I think we should tax the hell out of engines larger than 2 liters. It is all that is needed. Plus---any of you who have been to western europe and rented these small liter cars----know how really enjoyable they are. You get to enjoy working the little engine and yet getting very nice mileage as well. This seems one of the area that western Europe has gotten it right. On most other things they are fools.

Even so, a hybrid would simply make it more efficient and more powerful. For an 87 hp gasoline engine, pulling 2890 lbs of Prius from 0-60 in 10 seconds is all but unachievable without the power electric motor. And albeit you were not able to recieve the supposed FE figures, it would still be more efficient than using an 87 hp gasoline engine alone.

You are right. I guess I really disliked driving the Prius. Too much attention to overt mpg for me.

Spoke to a present/recent owner who took one on a trip and broke down. He was not happy with the wait for parts which you would think would be in stock. Apparantly the unique parts re the Prius are not everywhere.

mauleskyrocket u dont have a prius, if u did wheres the pictures?? and furthermore your full of nonsense you immature person. Look at you you dont even look at the facts


FACTS are that MOST owners are getting 48 mpg,

Dont compare prius to VW TDI's because PRIUS IS MUCH LARGER,

PRIUS has a more POWERFUL powertrain

and

PRIUS is something mauleskyrocket doesnt have or did have

Have you read your window sticker lately? Does it say 48?

hello?

anybody home?

Your TDI = Smaller
Prius = Bigger
Bigger car
48 mpg
also in the summer its very possible to get 60's so dont say shit if you dont know what u talking about.

Look i rode from NY to Canada at 70 to 80 mph and i got 67.5 mpg

i rode from NY to FL 3 times from 80 to 90 mph and i got 54 mpg,

your TDI cant do that, much less you dont even have a TDi or had a hybrid anyway.

Listen blue eyes my TDI can't do it, my SAAB can't do it and your Prius can't do it. Difference is my sticker never said I could.

blue eyes?

im black

and if u still think politics play into it, its not that

i voted for bush

you HAVE no justification in what you say, YOU DONT HAVE A PRIUS

if you had one show us pictures, ( and dont copy from other sites )

i bought a prius, because of cutting edge technology,
your TDI doesnt have that
your saab will never have that in 10 years.

If your friend's prius broke down and it was part of the hybrid drivetrain, it should be covered under warranty, no?

We don't drive the same way the EPA tests and that's true for ALL cars. Real world data shows that most cars get 80% of what the EPA states. if 80% of 55 is 44, Prius seems to be doing just as any other car would. (and even more since the real world data is 49mpg)

Here we can look up 2 other cars I have owned

Audi 100: 17.4mpg average (EPA estimates 22.5)
=77.33% of EPA's value

Chrysler 300M: 17.1mpg average (EPA estimates 21)
=81.43% of EPA's value

Prius: 49mpg (EPA estimates 55)
=89.09% of EPA's value

http://www.priuschat.com/forums/portal.php?topic_id=5898

EPA's values are wrong for the Prius. It's true for all cars.

You are all making the case. Prius promotion is bunk. You too blue eyes.

we are all making a case because you have no case.

The case is that all promotion is bunk. And the main promotion for the Prius is emissions and pollution, not mpg.

ok, Now we all agree. The EPA figures on the Prius are nonsense. It gets very good mileage when you drive it a certain way. Please go back to page one and post one.

It still looks like you are only singling out the Prius and its EPA values and also you say that you WILL only get 38 mpg by driving normally. This is where we disagree. I don't believe that all Prius will get 38 mpg if you drive normally and also the EPA figures on all cars are nonsense, not just the Prius. Here I'll say it again since I've said it 2 times already. EPA figures on ALL cars are nonsense.

Absolutely untrue. A TDI stickered at 49 highway will, in actuality, driven normaly, deliver up to 51. Prius on the other hand, driven at 75, with air on and 2 aboard, will give 38-42, especialy if you throw in a hill or two. This is NOT a bad car but shamelessly labeled thereby duping a certain % of buyers to purchase one. Sales have now dipped given there is no sense buying one to drive around with a Kerry sticker.

I have participated on countless forums to discuss hybrids over the past four years. Today, I joined another... this one.
JOHN http://john1701a.com

Hi guys long time no hear :)

I see mauleskyrocket is in his element unchanged :)

Glad to see you onboard John.

From several people who emailed you with little inquiries (4rom Europe) myself included, you never replied to any. If you would (like myself) appropriate this time elsewhere I would understand why 2 minute reply is so time consuming and demanding for you.

Yet you spend hours and hours within all sort of forums on weekly basis :(

Sad to see that you have become an elitist of some sort , and Prius simply attracts your wis as extension of something to display and talk about, while you really are not interested in more substance.

But I guess considering all the effort you dedicated to your exquisite site and available DATA, I still appreciate at least that.

Best regards,

PS: In case others who know me here at AF are asking : Why on earth you wrote this?

Well, John never replies to any emails, so this was the only chance for him to read this one. That is, out of his circle of interest.

Merry Christmas Volken and everyone.

Sorry, it's hard to keep up with all the requests... but at least I try.

Being impaired by both E10 gas and high-traction tires, the lifetime MPG average for my 2004 Prius is 49.2 MPG. So it's pretty safe saying that an "average joe" doing absolutely nothing different from their regular driving style could maintain an average in the mid-40's.

No diesel can deliver that, period. The term "average joe" means a mix of driving conditions. The daily commute is rarely a non-stop, high-speed cruise. And as soon as you slow down, MPG plummets in a diesel. The exact opposite happens in a full-hybrid. And the full-hybrid is dramatically cleaner (smog emissions) too.

Cold temperatures hurts efficiency as well. This mornings commute to work was at -6F. Despite that the Multi-Display still shows a pleasing 42.9 MPG. A diesel simply cannot compete with that.

The EPA is nonsense for all vehicles. The tests require a minimum temperature of 68F using summer-formula fuel. Today was drastically colder for me and I was stuck using winter-formula fuel mixing with ethanol. (So I was really screwed. Yet, MPG was still impressive.) The EPA's average cruising speed of just 48 MPH is a joke too. Obviously, people drive quite a bit faster... which hurts efficiency. The accleration-rate the EPA uses is quite misleading too. In the real-world, people merge onto highways and launch from red lights much faster... which hurts efficiency.

Anywho, actual data of traditional cars shows that full-hybrids (like Prius) are a geniune solution for both improving emissions & efficiency.

JOHN
http://john1701a.com

John, You are an academic dreamer. You are accurate on the Prius mileage---on the rest---bunk. Merry Christmas

look

EPA Figures are TRUE

i have a classic prius 2 of them, which is rated 45/52 mpg

I have gotten above 60 mpg lots of times in the summer, and thats highway mileage at 80 to 90 mph and with A/C on ( speeding BTW)

your TDI cannot do that. enough said.

EPA Figures are not EXACT, you can achieve above or below with various factors, if you say that driving rough with a prius is bad, your wrong, the prius is made to be driven rough ( as in hard acceleration ) your TDI isnt, your TDI has lots of recalls
and if you get 38 mpg either your car is bad, or your just a big elephant that has outrageous body weight.

VW diesels have lots of recalls with diesels PRIUS doesnt have recalls with such components to leave the car useless.

Make : VOLKSWAGEN Model : GOLF Year : 2004
Manufacturer : VOLKSWAGEN OF AMERICA, INC
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V586000 Recall Date : DEC 13, 2004
Component: FUEL SYSTEM, DIESEL
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 19284

Make : VOLKSWAGEN Model : JETTA Year : 2004
Manufacturer : VOLKSWAGEN OF AMERICA, INC
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V586000 Recall Date : DEC 13, 2004
Component: FUEL SYSTEM, DIESEL
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 19284

the only recall prius has is
Make : TOYOTA Model : PRIUS Year : 2004
Manufacturer : TOYOTA MOTOR NORTH AMERICA, INC.
NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID Number : 04V558000 Recall Date : NOV 18, 2004
Component: EXTERIOR LIGHTING:BRAKE LIGHTS:SWITCH
Potential Number Of Units Affected : 183090

If the prius has any problems they fix it free of charge, NOT WITH YOUR TDI, PLUS it gets better MPG .

mauleskyrocket,

you had a prius if so what year?

oh yah, what baout what you said about VW in a post before

"The Toareg is the worst VW I have ever owned. It lives in the shop. Vw cannot make high end cars and their dealers can't service them"
-mauleskyrocket,

oh yah, what baout what you said about VW in a post before "The Toareg is the worst VW I have ever owned. It lives in the shop. Vw cannot make high end cars and their dealers can't service them" -mauleskyrocket,

Although I agree about Touareg, and I think those who read this topic from the beginning know that nobody ever criticized diesel more harshly then me....Phaeton is truly a rare bird in milieu of decent and profiled industrial design. Even Audi A8 is short in comparison of Phaeton.

It would take several posts just to make a list of technological achievements found in Phaeton. It does present a mild reflection of Passat, but that resemblance is only a skin deep until you study this design within a touch of your hand. Truly a fantastic car, from standpoint of design.

That flair of hedonist mien however does not substitutes a wis of making priority to what is more important on evolutionary scale and that be nature :)

As for Touareg it is a shame in 2002 to have V10 diesel,one barely capable to pass Euro III norm :((((

I wont even compare this to regulation in US, because it is scary :(

Sorry, it's hard to keep up with all the requests... but at least I try.http://john1701a.com

Well, I have heard time to understand you found my mail uninteresting,

I provided the first promo pictures from Europe?s Prius

Also mysterious prototype of Japanese version (video with 2 Japanese test drivers)

I asked you concrete questions about audio systems only known to more advanced Prius users, sadly all this made you silent for months :(

You are a European tree hugger. We are discussing the Prius not the VW. How about listing the U.S. bulletins on that dog.

SHOW ME THE DATA!

You may make any claim you want. But without anything to support it, what's the point?

If diesel were such a great choice, how come it is at the bottom of the list for clean emissions and it rates close to the bottom for reliability?

Also note that for the 2004 model year, all of VW's US sales *combined* for *all* of their diesel model vehicles only totalled 35,000. So don't even attempt to quote the high resale value. With quantities so small, of course the used ones sell for a premium.

The HSD system in Prius is remarkably simple, and it is proving to be a very realistic choice. That is why Toyota is planning to offer a hybrid option for *every* passenger vehicle they sell by 2010.

JOHN
http://john1701a.com

This is a ridiculous stance. A Hybrid might be the anwer in 2010 and then it may not. I would like every person who does not own one and have to say they love it (unlike me ---who dumpt the dog) to test drive one and realize that driving as you knew and dare I say"enjoyed" (not allowed in a liberal world) is not even vaguely present. This car is zero fun. There I said it.

You are a European tree hugger. We are discussing the Prius not the VW. How about listing the U.S. bulletins on that dog.

Mauleskyrocket, my flying Talledega buddy,

Some substance is required when writing about anything.
I mentioned Volkswagen because you spoke about the same here, and then I returned to Prius.

I believe I have posted more then plenty reflecting the Prius and considering all the links and designs posted previously, It was me who posted the link to John's fantastic site long ago ;)

The reason why I never purchased the Prius was for one, lack of decent support for Prius, terribly late shipment in EU, and automatic transmission.

I use CNG (Earth Gas) as main driving source specially in the city drive so I can not only match Prius contribution to cleaner air but in some points even surpass them,because CNG exhaust is unmatched even with moderate Prius petrol emission.

If only they would employ a manual shift in Prius 3, and I'll be the first owner here ;)

...And for city parking I need less space, the car is too large for city drive in EU crowded streets :( (I know, this sounds strange to US)

But I'm content Prius is such sale success in states and the same actually brought shortage in shipment to EU to please your market, that is a great thing after all, great for environment and trend of recognizing this segment for future buyers

But there is no getting away mauleskyrocket....every time anyone here requested for you to present you pictures, any picture of your late Prius, you always either move to another topic or simply keep this in silence!

Most of the people presented their pictures, I certainly have elsewhere on this forum for other cars owned, but in your case this makes all you statements somewhat doubtful :(

How about finally show us some pictures ?

You said after Prius you purchased a Saab,...now you own (in your info.) Volkswagen Touareg???


http://www.01files.com/images/827130494Cap2.gif


For owner of this car, it is strange you even wrote the name wrong in you information details :lol:

Thank you for your wishes, same to you and have a great holidays,
naturally, I wish you all a great holidays.


PS: From bottom of my heart I hope time will
come for you to realize that environment has no party!

It belongs to everyone and it leaves responsibilities and bills for
our conducts.

Each party needs to breath just the same. I couldn't care less for
any of those parties, it is all the same to me, same system,different
positions, but the same system :(

Usualy Volken I take a picture of a car I like or a plane for that matterIf you want a SAAB fighter, a Lambo or an Aston (the latter two are in the garage). You are right re space and clean air. Most pollution now however, especially in the old Eastern bloc, is Industrial. I know that first hand. The catalytic industrial stack sweeper in the West has dramatically cleaned the air and the converter on cars has also played a major role here. New York now to New York 25 years ago---no comparison--it is like the country now. Mississippi really does not have that problem I am glad you don't own one Volken. Merry Christmas.

stop insulting people and calling them liars when they are speaking the truth. i've gotten 54 on the highway with A/C and with 2 OTHER people besides myself so stop accusing people of lying.

Merry Christmas to you too.

Of course your not telling a lie----just a gross exageration.

stop insulting people and calling them liars when they are speaking the truth. i've gotten 54 on the highway with A/C and with 2 OTHER people besides myself so stop accusing people of lying.

Merry Christmas to you too.

Ok Apollo. If you say it then it is so. Nevermind the slow lane. It doen't exist. Have a Prius New Year.

you're right. i don't use the slow lane