Beat a v6 mustang?

i don't know why u guys are arguing bout this topic. there is no way a stock grand am can beat a stock mustang gt NO WAY!! v6 close race but still a no go for the grand am. don't get me wrong im not bashing grandams but they don't call the mustang one of the best muscle cars for nothing.

you dont know what your talking about. im so sick of people putting in on this thread when htey dont know what the fuck there talking about.

Mustangs are over rated all the way. I havent had problems with beating a stang since i had my 99 escort.

Hey markgasse im not saying you dont work on fords all day and im not saying that you dont know what your talking about (no disrespect) but my 2002 v6 mustang gets to about 6500 rpms untill the revlimiter kicks in.

Somethings not right here , when you pop the clutch the rpms are at 6500 rpms when it engages?
I cant get a v6 mustang to rev past 5000 rpms it always drops to 1600 when the gear kicks in.

See now i find this funny, I know my little stock sunfire with its monsterous 2.2L will roll up to all y'all and leave you in my dust, ya know its got like 120hp or somethin LMFAO. No, but heres my two cents worth, I also work at a ford dealership and it seems as though the only customers buying the mustangs anymore are women and homosexuals. Its the truth. The fact of the mustang is its a cheap muscle car, enough said.

My 2004 Grand Am SE 2.2 Ecotec 4 can blow the doors off any street legal V6. Thanks to just a few mods 6 bangers now eat my dust. Right now only the likes of a high performance V8 Stang can give me a run for my money. I am putting that behind me as well. I have installed racing pistons and a full race piston pin set made of H-11 tool steel that can withstand over 1000 hp so that I can take full advantage of any mods I care to make in the future. About 400 horses should do the trick for now. Look out Japan Inc., ECOTEC RULES.

DD

Ok Ladies. Shut up and listen. The performance envelope for the Ecotec is out of your leagues but I will tease you all with some tidbits because I am that kind of Demon. A team from GM and Opel with a little help from some of their friends engineered the Ecotec utilizing global technology, including some of Honda's patents-GM made a trade with Honda for some Diesel Technology from Isuzu. GM owns Isuzu girls. As a side note, the 2004 Saturn Vue is using a 250 HP 3.5 Ltr. Honda engine in it even as I speak. GM owns Saturn. The Ecotec will be to GM for this century what the Small Block was for the last-the performance platform. For starters it is fairly easy to crank up the stock 140 HP Ecotec 2.2 to 170 HP with nothing more than fine tuning. Done. From there NOX can take it to 250 HP with no other modifications and as long as a person doesn't get carried away the engine will hold up indefinitely. Done. I suggest Mobil 1 synthetic to all my friends in low places. Done. Now to go past the 250 HP barrier GM recommends forged rods, forged pistons, and moly rings. Done. To get to the 350 HP threshold GM recommends a high lift camshaft and 5.5 mm Stainless steel valves. Done. Additional mods to the intake and exhaust ports are also indicated. Done. At 350 HP the stock exhaust manifold becomes restrictive. This is about as far as GM recommends taking NOX and this is about all I am going to tell any of you ladies about anything to do with my Grand Am SE.

However, I will add that to get to the ethereal realms of Ecotec performance requires a Turbocharger. 1000+ HP with 50% stock parts. A place I will probably never go, but it is nice to know I can. All you doubting Thomasses out there in cyberspace can suck my exhaust.

DD

they have kits for the amazing ecotec for 1500hp , been available for a year or so , but the kicker is , its considered a one use drag engine so the parts they use are reusable , but the rest is replaced after each race. Thank goodnes for it bein a cheap costing motor.

they have a simular kit for the ford focus ZTECH for higher Hp yet.

My 2004 Grand Am SE 2.2 Ecotec 4 can blow the doors off any street legal V6. Thanks to just a few mods 6 bangers now eat my dust. Right now only the likes of a high performance V8 Stang can give me a run for my money. I am putting that behind me as well. I have installed racing pistons and a full race piston pin set made of H-11 tool steel that can withstand over 1000 hp so that I can take full advantage of any mods I care to make in the future. About 400 horses should do the trick for now. Look out Japan Inc., ECOTEC RULES.

DD

Im going to have to pull out the PS Flag on this one. Whats done to you car (everything) what do you run in the 1/4 mile. I want to hear all the mods done to your car, b/c your story seems fake.

Yeah im gonna have to agree with urweak, racing pistons in a 4 cylinder is not gonna get you leaving all v6s and v8s behind. Sorry, no dice. I would agree that the v6 mustangs are slow and that the mustang in general is one of the worst "muscle" cars ever made. The v6 doesn't even qualify for muscle car status in my book. And alot of 40 and 50 year old women drive the new gts around me (on the other hand I have a friend with a 98v8). The 5.0s were a different story but that's neither here nor there. But that all being said, Danny, I am not buying your story, but feel free to prove me wrong.

My 2004 Grand Am SE 2.2 Ecotec 4 can blow the doors off any street legal V6. Thanks to just a few mods 6 bangers now eat my dust. Right now only the likes of a high performance V8 Stang can give me a run for my money. I am putting that behind me as well. I have installed racing pistons and a full race piston pin set made of H-11 tool steel that can withstand over 1000 hp so that I can take full advantage of any mods I care to make in the future. About 400 horses should do the trick for now. Look out Japan Inc., ECOTEC RULES.

DD

The LS1 in my Formula heard what you said and wants to RSVP :)


Becasue of the way they are cast (forget what it's called, but it's really interesting) Ecotec's can handle up to 1000 HP, but it takes a LOT of work to get it there--certainly more than pistons. Pull up next to an 04 Maxima (street legal V6, of course) and rev a few times...light pops green, you blink, and he's gone.

You mentioned 'a few mods'? Do the pistons round that out--one mod per? Tell me, what brand of muffler bearings are you using?

--Jason

Dude youll smoke him. the v6 mustang is slow. i know alot of people that eat V6 mustangs for lunch in their grand am. I have a 97 grand am with the 2.4TC in it and your GA is faster and i can take a V6. So you should beat him unless he has alot of mods or something along those lines.

have you ever run a mustang? i own a 95 v6 mustang. Ive put a CAI, dual exhaust, underdrive pulley, 4.10 gears w/ tlok, and a 60 shot of NX nitrous on it and im running 15.0 at the track. Ive actually got my nitrous jets set to give me a 100 shot but i cant keep my bottle at high enough pressure due to the fact that i dont have a bottle heater. My car came with 145 HP stock (slow as balls). You might be able to take a stock one, but in 99 (new body style) the sixers got a huge HP gain due to the split port intake design and better heads. The 99+ v6 stang has 190hp stock, so your grand am WONT take that. Trust me. A 5 speed 99+ v6 with minor bolt ons will give 94-98 mustang GTs a run for their money. Hell one of the races at the track this past sunday that i ran was against an lt1 trans am. The thing only beat me by .5 seconds... thats saying quite a bit considering i have a 145hp v6 engine where he had a XXX hp V8. Dont run your mouths until youve raced the car. The sixers respond quite well to mods that have to do with the intake and exhaust for the mere fact that when theyre stock its like the exhaust is trying to blow out of a straw. Free that airflow up and you've got a fun car.

Ill tell you now you wont take a stock v6 stang from a 99+ model. 98 and before you might stand a chance... but even then, your grand am SE isnt fast either :grinno:

http://www.ponypanels.com/zim/neons1.jpg

See now i find this funny, I know my little stock sunfire with its monsterous 2.2L will roll up to all y'all and leave you in my dust, ya know its got like 120hp or somethin LMFAO. No, but heres my two cents worth, I also work at a ford dealership and it seems as though the only customers buying the mustangs anymore are women and homosexuals. Its the truth. The fact of the mustang is its a cheap muscle car, enough said.


Oh no shit it can huh...

So you can take this one huh?

http://www.extremev6racing.com/project.html


Thats street legal I want to see your 2.2l of fury handle that.

I have driven almost every mustang for has , and yes i opened up all ofem. I have an oppinion based by trying before buying and the v6 2000 mustang 5 speed i drove for a weekend was a granny car in my opinion.

no one said V6 mustangs were fast dude. But people need to stop saying stupid shit like in the quote i had above. I am building me up a v6 mustang when I get my insurance money for the last one i totaled.

check out v6stangs.com or v8stangs.com for all you people that talk so much crap. Look at what people are doing to their v6 mustangs.

Now when my dealership gets the 2005 mustangs in december , im gonna be happy once again with mustang performance , although i was kinda impressed with the new mach1 , but that car is highy unatainable and so will the 2005's since its a limited quantity model bein put out to feel the market.

i see em on the streets , the cops can pick on them cus the average younger driver owning any mustang is gonna do some stupid stunts and ruin it for the rest ofem

Well The New Saturn Vue is an Opel Engine. In defence for the Guy with the 2.2L engine, I think he was JOKING in that Post, so no need to get hostile. I can't wait to get into one of the new C6 Corvettes. LS2 engine base HP around 400 and TQ about same. can't wait

i see em on the streets , the cops can pick on them cus the average younger driver owning any mustang is gonna do some stupid stunts and ruin it for the rest ofem


I'm not joking. People do think like that. They watch 2f2f one to many times and think they go buy a civic or a similiar car throw a wing on it and a body kit and a cai and they can take whatever comes at them. Then they go on forums like this and spew their stupid shit knowing they wont have to back it up.

the only mustang worth anything is the 03 mustang cobra svt.

mr 99 , ive done a hell of alot more than that to my car , second thing , I WORK FOR FORD and ive driven everythging from a New T-birb 5speed auto , mach 1 , svt focus , marauder , bullet , everything they have and I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT. These posts are for anyone to say anything but i got and will have even more proof in the pudding. Keep reading these posts.

we got a vue at the dealership , its a nice car for the price , dont have a clue but i think it had a twin cam 2.2 in it.

the only mustang worth anything is the 03 mustang cobra svt.

Mr. I work for Ford,

I dont care that you do work for ford. I drive a mustang and have plenty of friends that run them. My post wasnt directed toward you. It was directed toward the shitheads that think their badass with their 4cyl shitboxes. So congrats on you spending so much money on your car. I dont care. Its your car do what you want.

Sincerly,

Mr. 99

then why did you quote me 99?
i dont understand what you mean?

"Hell one of the races at the track this past sunday that i ran was against an lt1 trans am. The thing only beat me by .5 seconds... thats saying quite a bit considering i have a 145hp v6 engine where he had a XXX hp V8."

LT1's stock were 275 stock at the engine. Either you're putting down 230+ hp to the wheels and you smoked him (whatever...) or he couldn't drive for total shit. Your 145hp puts roughly 125 to the wheels. A 105 HP increase requires a lot of money/mods for a V6

--Jason

I thought the lt1 had 330 hp and you were right on his ass?

I thought the lt1 had 330 hp and you were right on his ass?

GM rated the LT1 used in Trans Ams with 275hp. Needless to say they put out considerably more than that as nearly the same version was used in Vettes and was rated at 300hp. The LT4 I believe was 330, but I'm note sure on that one. They under-rate numbers sometiems to boost the sales of other cars (in the F-body/Vette case, they did it to make more people want to buy the more expensive flagship of the GM line, even though both versions of the LS1/LT1 put out roughly the same amout of HP--one just cost $10k more).

--Jason

"Hell one of the races at the track this past sunday that i ran was against an lt1 trans am. The thing only beat me by .5 seconds... thats saying quite a bit considering i have a 145hp v6 engine where he had a XXX hp V8."

LT1's stock were 275 stock at the engine. Either you're putting down 230+ hp to the wheels and you smoked him (whatever...) or he couldn't drive for total shit. Your 145hp puts roughly 125 to the wheels. A 105 HP increase requires a lot of money/mods for a V6

--Jason


well if it makes any difference, that lt1 was a 93 model. Also, if you take my 145 hp, add about 15 hp (cai, exhaust, pulley, chip), understand that im running a 4.10:1 gear ratio with tlok, and was spraying about a 70 shot of nitrous (thats rated at the wheels) im lookin more around 210hp outta my lil sixer. if you want time slips ive got them.

also, ls1 and lt1 do not put out almost the same numbers... quit talkin outta your ass.

http://www.ponypanels.com/zim/timeslip1.jpg

well if it makes any difference, that lt1 was a 93 model. Also, if you take my 145 hp, add about 15 hp (cai, exhaust, pulley, chip), understand that im running a 4.10:1 gear ratio with tlok, and was spraying about a 70 shot of nitrous (thats rated at the wheels) im lookin more around 210hp outta my lil sixer. if you want time slips ive got them.

also, ls1 and lt1 do not put out almost the same numbers... quit talkin outta your ass.

http://www.ponypanels.com/zim/timeslip1.jpg

Please re-read and fully understand my post before taking a shot at me...as I did before taking a shot at you :)

Both versions of the LT1 (F-Body and Vette) make basically the same HP.

Both versions of the LS1 (F-Body and Vette) made basically the same HP.

Not once did I imply that an LS1 and an LT1 are basically the same. That would be similar to comparing a new Ecotec to a Quad 4, or an apple to an orange--same size (displacement), two totally different beasts.

Thanks a bunch!

--Jason

Well I would like to clear up any Misconceptions you might have about a Mustang Beating a LS1

A Mustang cannot beat an LS1. Simply cannot happen. Please refer to this guide if you're a Mustang owner that thinks you may have beaten an LS1.

#1 The LS1 cannot be beaten.
#2 All Mustangs are stock.
#3 All LS1s run mid/high 12s bone stock from the factory.
#4 Even the 03 Cobra is a mid 13 car.
#5 The LS1 was not racing.
#6 The LS1 was parked.
#7 The LS1 was just playing with you.
#8 The LS1 was actually a V-6 with Z28 badges.
#9 The LS1 was actually an LT1, which can only be beaten by an LS1.
#10 The race does not count because it ended before 160mph.
#11 The race does not count because it did not start from a roll.
#12 The race does not count because the LS1's passenger was performing oral on the driver.
#13 The race does not count because the LS1 was not properly tuned.
#14 If you still feel your Mustang may have beaten an LS1, please see #1.

HeH I got that from someone in the Mustang Forum

Well I would like to clear up any Misconceptions you might have about a Mustang Beating a LS1

A Mustang cannot beat an LS1. Simply cannot happen. Please refer to this guide if you're a Mustang owner that thinks you may have beaten an LS1.

#1 The LS1 cannot be beaten.
#2 All Mustangs are stock.
#3 All LS1s run mid/high 12s bone stock from the factory.
#4 Even the 03 Cobra is a mid 13 car.
#5 The LS1 was not racing.
#6 The LS1 was parked.
#7 The LS1 was just playing with you.
#8 The LS1 was actually a V-6 with Z28 badges.
#9 The LS1 was actually an LT1, which can only be beaten by an LS1.
#10 The race does not count because it ended before 160mph.
#11 The race does not count because it did not start from a roll.
#12 The race does not count because the LS1's passenger was performing oral on the driver.
#13 The race does not count because the LS1 was not properly tuned.
#14 If you still feel your Mustang may have beaten an LS1, please see #1.

HeH I got that from someone in the Mustang Forum

Ha! I gotta post that in the LS1 forum! My fav was #6.

--Jason

no matter what u do to ur mustang, in the end, its still a ford. thank god ill never have to answer "what do u drive" with "A FORD". =)

Why not? I would rather push my GT than to drive anything built by GM. And by the way, I have had her almost 2 years and its never failed to take me where I wanted to go yet, oh, and its definitely NOT stock either.

Damn, Rick, that snake's a beast! What exhaust ya got on there?

--Jason

HeH Read # 2 of my Post...heh j/k. We all have our preferances I choose GM mainly, But That does not mean I am so CLOSE minded that I would not think of buying another Make of vehicle. I was looking at the new Mazda RX-8 recently. and the New Mustangs 2005.

you have the 2005 mustangs already? i thought ford was gonna start dumping them on us in Dec.

I am 53 years old, my first car was a 62 Chevy II, thing was a hopeless junker, I have owned other Chevys over the years, and lots of other cars, Cadilac once, Chrysler products, several Japanese cars, a British Leyland Triumph Spitfire Mark IV. My second car was a Mustang convertable, and I have always liked Fords and Mustangs, this is Mustang #7, and the best one yet.

Grand AM vs V6 Mustang= Don't know and don't really care...
Grand AM vs. Mustang GT= Not even a race...
GTP Comp G vs. Mustang GT= now were talking, pretty evenly matched cars, mostly like the driver being the factor...
GTO vs. Cobra= Once again, not even a race...
I hope Gm brings back the firebird and camaro, I've always liked f-bodies. Grand Am's are decent for what they are, the Comp G is a very good car, but I think Pontiac screwed the pooch with new GTO. The power is there, but the whole package just dosen't do it for me. My 2 cents...

First of all about the grand am beating a 2000 v6 mustang, it not goin to happen. And about the grand am beating a 5.0, hell no. either he didnt know you were racing or he is a sorry ass driver. my older brother has a 90 5.0 and a 94 5.0. he runs 13s in 1/4 with the 90 (stock with h-pipe and flows) and mid 11s with 94 (with high performance parts). a grand am is first of all a piece of shit car and its slow as hell. i have a 2002 mustang(unfortunantly not a v8) but i will romp a grand am. here is a list of some of the cars i have beaten since i got my mustang: new model celica gt with many mods, dodge truck with hemi in about 7 races beat him every time, v8 jeep cherokee, honda prelude with mods, s10 4.3l vortec with mods, cutlass w/ 305, many 6cyl cameros and firebirds, and there are more. my car is and automatic, stock with just a replaced muffler(flowmaster 40 series) i would like to see a grand am pull up to me and maybe bet me some money. it would be the eastiest money i ever got. well thats all i have to say

about the LS1, a cobra runs mid 12s in a quarter(2003). and the only chevy that will beat it is a z06 and that is a fact by car and driver and many other car magz. know what your talkin about before you speak. later ppl

Well First The Z06 Engine is Basicly a LS1 with a bigger cam Bigger Injectors and a tweaked PCM. So The Mustang is still being beaten by a LS1. But whatever. Second Grand Ams are not pieces of shit cars. They are also not that slow. They are Compeditive for there Class, and other classes. Take My 93 Quad 4 HO Nearly 200 hp (180ish) Torque is pretty close to that as well. Would Beat a 2000 V6 Mustang. Even if it didn't with relitively Little Mods it could. I am going to call BULL SHIT on the Beating the Hemi Dodge they are putting out nearly 350 Hp STOCK, your V6 Stock 2002 Stang isn't even in the Same Class, Let alone the same Ball park. Your Stock 2002 V6 Stang has about 190 HP (since 99). The S10 Vortec Engine depending on which model has over 200. So unless he didn't know how to drive, I am calling bull shit on that one too.

Well I tell you what , Ill race another 5.0 , with a good driver and then Ill let you know. It wont be the same however.

An automatic late model V6 mustang will run mid 16s at best stock. I can see a manual hitting low 16s and maybe high 15s. A new 3400 v6 GA will run low 16s with a few factory freaks that I've seen run very high 15s. So right there you can see that stock for stock the money goes on the GA beating the auto Stang and it being a drivers race with the manual.
Whoever bragged about beating a 305 powered Cutlass, big deal the 305 was a class A crapmobile. I think they made around 120-140 hp.
Stock, 5.0 mustangs aren't anything special either. the thing that made them so popular was the cheap and big aftermarket they had.
Every Mustang owner that came in here has bragged about being fast and whatnot and proceeded top spout off their list of mods. We are talking stock for stock.

Yes your v6 stang with headers, intake, exhaust, ported heads, and 50 shot may run 14s but
I know of 3400 GAs running N/A 14s with just headers/intake/exhaust
There have also been more than one Quad 4 powered GAs break into the 12s. (N/A also I beleive)

What most V6 Mustang owners fail to realize is that they drive a base model Mustang, if it was all that great then Ford wouldn't need to make the GT.

Stock 99+ V6 stangs, no mods at all, automatic transmissions, run in the high 15s, 5 speeds stock run in the low 15s where you been since 98, the 94-98s ran 16s and 17s with 145-150 hp stock bubba, lol.

2000 Auto Mustang (on the left)
http://www.v6power.net/timeslips/slip195.jpg
1996 Auto (on the left its a 17.606)
http://www.v6power.net/timeslips/slip205.jpg
2003 5-speed (16.343 kind of blurry)
http://v6power.net/timeslips/slip246.jpg

I could go on, but I don't feel like it, but I think it proves my point. Just incase your wondering, v6power.net is a huge V6 mustang website ;)

www.v6stangs.com is a much better v6 mustang site, and you just proved my point, you quoted a time slip from a 96 model v6 there, with 150 hp, I told you they ran 16s and 17s now didn't I? As for that other car, I guess the guy just can't drive?? Who knows?

I don't know how you "can't drive" an automatic. Torque braking and launch tuning will usually only change the time by .3-.4 seconds from what I've seen.

I think they proved my point.
The Auto 2000 Stang ran mid 16
the 1996 Auto ran a pathetic High 17
And the 5 speed 2003 ran a low 16
exactly what I predicted.
The 3400 GA would beat the 1996 Stang, stop, go in reverse, take a crap on it and the pass it again.
The 3400 GA would also beat the Auto 2000 Stang, but the race would be much closer.
The 2003 5-speed is a drivers race, I'm sure a good driver could get into the high 15s and beat a stock GAGT but a bad driver would pull a mid-mid/high 16.

i didnt claim that i beat an lt1... i claime that i ran .5 seconds slower than it with only 145 stock hp ;)

Then They Guy with the LT1 didn't know how to drive.

Then They Guy with the LT1 didn't know how to drive.

14.5 is kinda average for an lt1 auto in the 1/4...

i agree it could be better, but thats not the worst time an lt1 has ever ran

i think that the mustang would win by a little bit (even though i don't like mustangs cauese they are old) but if its manual i would give the grand am the HP's but some people don't know how to race so if it was manual it would lose.....not by much. :smokin:

wow, 4 cylinder grand ams, thought they were grandma cars, why are you trying to race them. aside from zim and rick, yall are slower than a can of molasses. why the hell are you even boasting 180hp. maybe you should visit the honda forums, with that amount of hp, theyd be calling you god. ive driven both cars, my grandmas grand am (96) and a 99 V6 5spd and the grand am has nothing. not even when you hold 1st then punch it at about 4k to redline, nothing. do that in a V6 stang and youd be thrown back in your seat. take one for a drive, it will amaze you. it did me. and dont take numbers from automatics. they are the gayest things ever produced, especially the older 4r70w's before the upgraded the valve bodies, those suckers took forever to shift. i know, i had one in my tbird. even my freinds dads grand prix gtp was no match for the tbird(4.6 with 225hp) after i hit 3rd i had him by a car. and those suckers are SC! you have a measly 4 banger. :loser: oh yeah i have a 4 banger too :banghead: but mine ran straight 15's stock, and now runs 14's with bolt ons.

No Mustang has Ever "Amazed" me, definatly not a 6 cyl. Well the only one that has amazed me was a 69 GT 500 Super charged, now that thing was fast. Not as fast as a 90+ ZR1 Vette though. The Turdbirds were the worst thing ford ever did.

The Only Reason you Eclipse runs 15's stock is because it is F/I (that kinda seems slow seen Stock grand ams run that N/A) Take the Turbo off and the good old grandma car would beat ya. HeH or better yet add a turbo to the Grand am and see who wins.

HO GAs will run low 15s - high 14s stock
GM hasn't made a fwd v6 5-speed since the 3.4 TDC and the 3.1 mpfi in the early 90s, so you didn't drive a 1999 v6 5-speed GA. Idiot.
Your eclipse may be quick but I'll laugh at you while your sitting on the side of the road because you have a case of "crankwalk" HA.
Obviously your jealous or something, or else you wouldn't be wasting your time browsing the GA forums. Loser

I raced a MA70 Supra yesterday , now that guy was a good driver , his car never rocked when he shifted and he beat me to 60mph half a car length from the start. Im gonna try again after work , we thought it was fun. I also tried a go at a 95 camaro ss , ouch I got spanked. I also raced a 2003 Mustang 5 speed v6 , I spanked him like the camaro spanked me. I raced a Audi TT as well in the city and kept only a bumper ahead of him to 60mph. The audi revs pretty high and I could hear the turbo scream , I think if I race that car to 100mph Id get raped. I was gonna race a riced up predlude(not sure what year it was) but the guy said he doesnt street race. I also wanted to race a 69 Vette , when I pulled up to him and reved he looked at me and asked "is that thing supercharged?" "No" I said. "Do you have turbo or Nitrous?" "No" I said. "Then what the hell do you think your gonna do?" So I replied "Im gonna watch you smoke those tires and leave me behind!" he laughed at me and did just that , it was so sweet.
I lose more races than I win but its fun to see what moves and how. So as you can tell Im not that serious for street racing.

Please re-read and fully understand my post before taking a shot at me...as I did before taking a shot at you :)

Both versions of the LT1 (F-Body and Vette) make basically the same HP.

Both versions of the LS1 (F-Body and Vette) made basically the same HP.

Not once did I imply that an LS1 and an LT1 are basically the same. That would be similar to comparing a new Ecotec to a Quad 4, or an apple to an orange--same size (displacement), two totally different beasts.

Thanks a bunch!

--Jason

sorry, mis-read your post.

sorry, mis-read your post.

No worries.

Now, this is for all of us still posting on this matter. WOW!!! Who'd have thought such a simple post would get so much feedback. Next time I wanna antagonize people, I'll know what to write and where to put it! j/k

Let's appease both factions:

1-A ~stock~ V6 Stang will most likely take a ~stock~ V6/Ecotec Grand Am.

that being said...

2-In this case, the ~stock~ Grand Am driver was experienced and the ~stock~ Stang driver was not.

There we go! Let's end it on a draw, shall we? Who wants to start the next one?!

:wink:

--Jason

stangs are a piece of shit anything could kill them

id like to see some STOCK grand am run a high 15/low 14. its not gonna happen riceboys. even the non turbo eclipses run high 15's with just an intake. i know, my cousin has one. he always gets me off the line, and pulls about 1 car ahead. then i spool and its all over. bring on a GTP. hes F/I too, and ill definately take him.

and tbirds were pieces of shit. i got it cause it had a 4.6, and i thought i could mod it like a GT, but totally different heads and crap, nothings the same, so i was screwed. check tccoa.com there are some of them in the 12's without F/I, with the tbirds 4.6, not a cobra engine or what not.

i will admit, though, if i could have one new car, itd be a corvette ZO6. everybody compares their car to a corvette. "when i get my new turbo, FMIC and everything that comes with more boost, ill take a corvette" when the corvette is still stock. put all that stuff in a corvette and you will kill yourself. guaranteed.