We want more!
ColeIketani
12-16-2003, 01:53 PM
hmm, well personally I'm not sure if I have the information to help you with the information at the time. I will do some searching, but untill that time, someone else could field this question.
But one thing I do know is that the V6s potential tops out about 250hp.
But one thing I do know is that the V6s potential tops out about 250hp.
Jared_80
12-16-2003, 02:07 PM
Yea I have seen those supercharger kits too. But remember that we are talking about a 310hp Camaro. I know that there is a 400lbs weight difference but the Camaro is RWD (which is better for racing) and has wider tires. They say that those SC kits cost about 2500 which is not bad but you would still be at a disadvantage with hp and traction with only 1500 left to spend. New wider tires and wheels would take up the rest of your money quickly.
ColeIketani
12-16-2003, 02:18 PM
well, I have this belief on racing FWD cars.
Although they are easier to create understeer, they are easier to kill the understeer too than the RWD cars, which can produce oversteer a lot faster. Plus I think you have to push FWD cars differently than RWD because of the weight distrubustion (spelling) 50/50 vs 60/40, 70/30 etc etc. But everyone knows that anyway lol
Although they are easier to create understeer, they are easier to kill the understeer too than the RWD cars, which can produce oversteer a lot faster. Plus I think you have to push FWD cars differently than RWD because of the weight distrubustion (spelling) 50/50 vs 60/40, 70/30 etc etc. But everyone knows that anyway lol
ColeIketani
12-16-2003, 02:19 PM
ok, well I have some work to do, but I SHALL RETURN lol
ghetto7o2azn
12-16-2003, 06:01 PM
the v6 tiburon only puts out 170? sorry but i do have to agree with jared... lol and all this time i thought it put out 200 at least... :icon16: sorry but i dont see how your going to get it faster than the camero... and for the "inertia" thing.. also realize that inertia is the amount of force it takes to stop and push the object... so the more inertia it has, the slower it will get off the line and also the worse it will do at the 60-0
tibby01
12-16-2003, 06:34 PM
First off let me say that I love the look of the Tiburon, but the proformance sucks. What are you guys at Hyundai thinking? Why is your 6 cylinder so slow? What happend to that mid engine concept that everybody loved? The messure for any proformance import is if it can beat a Mustang GT or the Z28 Camaro in the 1/4 mile and through the cones, if it cannot do that leave it home. It just becomes a plaything for posers that make a joke of real import tuners. Does anybody agree with me??
i dont know about you, but those are fighten' words wheres i comes from.
and HOLY SHIT, where the hell did all these posts come from? lol!!!
Jared, youre a smart guy, and you seem like you know your shit about cars. but dont say you didnt learn anything, cause i know you were suprised as shit from all the tibs and the accent i posted. that accent is his daily driver too.
cole, dont even try it, there arent firm numbers anywhere on the net cause not even motor trend has numbers for the z28, i looked when trying to compare it to the evo. the only place i could find was edmunds, but they arent accurate i guess. if anyone wants to give me 11k, then i will be glad to take this challenge, i only paid 11k for my tib.
i dont know about you, but those are fighten' words wheres i comes from.
and HOLY SHIT, where the hell did all these posts come from? lol!!!
Jared, youre a smart guy, and you seem like you know your shit about cars. but dont say you didnt learn anything, cause i know you were suprised as shit from all the tibs and the accent i posted. that accent is his daily driver too.
cole, dont even try it, there arent firm numbers anywhere on the net cause not even motor trend has numbers for the z28, i looked when trying to compare it to the evo. the only place i could find was edmunds, but they arent accurate i guess. if anyone wants to give me 11k, then i will be glad to take this challenge, i only paid 11k for my tib.
ColeIketani
12-16-2003, 07:17 PM
I'm not talking about from a complete stop or drag racing "Ghetto". I'm talking about taking the car on mountain roads(since we have some near my area) were the distubution of the weight carries it down the hill much faster, plus the added power from the engine
1QUICK2
12-17-2003, 10:52 AM
Ok...just been skimming this thread. Why are you guys throwin your warranty around? WTF is that? I just got back from the dealer and he told me a K&N would VOID my warr. You cant throw on a turbo and blow the car up, then just take it off and Warr. it. I was a service advisor...we looked for anything to void warranties. Also....why are you comparing this car to V8 musscle cars and AWD turbo cars. For gods sake....the V6 supercharged only puts down 225hp according to hyundiaperformance.com. Just my 2 cents.
Ryan
93 MR2 Turbo
350+ hp
Ryan
93 MR2 Turbo
350+ hp
portscan69
12-17-2003, 11:34 AM
Ok...just been skimming this thread. Why are you guys throwin your warranty around? WTF is that? I just got back from the dealer and he told me a K&N would VOID my warr. You cant throw on a turbo and blow the car up, then just take it off and Warr. it. I was a service advisor...we looked for anything to void warranties. Also....why are you comparing this car to V8 musscle cars and AWD turbo cars. For gods sake....the V6 supercharged only puts down 225hp according to hyundiaperformance.com. Just my 2 cents.
Ryan
93 MR2 Turbo
350+ hp
By government regulation no car warranty can be voided by adding anything to it. Unless the added or changed part directly contributes to a problem. *Example* I add a LSD to my Tiburon and my transmission drops. This can be directly linked and void my warranty. If I add a LSD to my Tiburon and a head gasket blows the warranty cannot be voided.
My 2 cents :)
Ryan
93 MR2 Turbo
350+ hp
By government regulation no car warranty can be voided by adding anything to it. Unless the added or changed part directly contributes to a problem. *Example* I add a LSD to my Tiburon and my transmission drops. This can be directly linked and void my warranty. If I add a LSD to my Tiburon and a head gasket blows the warranty cannot be voided.
My 2 cents :)
tibby01
12-17-2003, 12:09 PM
The Magnuson-Moss Act
Protecting tweakers, tuners and other users of aftermarket equipment. FANNING FEARS. You want to upgreat your vehicle with aftermarket equipment nut your worried about putting your vehicles warranty at risk.its no wonder. How many times you’ve heard someone of a dealership say that installing aftermarket parts automatically voids the warranty? This common misconception has been repeated often enough to be widely believed – though it is completely false.
FACT: Dealers don’t like warranty work , because it pays less than normal repair work. By promoting the myth that aftermarket equipment automatically voids warranties, some dealers avoid such low-paying work. Instead they attempt to charge customers the prime service rate work which is rightfully done under warranty.
THE TRUTH
Most vehicle owners are not aware they are protected by federal law: the Magnuson-Moss Warranty- Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975. Under the Magnuson-Moss Act aftermarket equipment which improves performance doesn’t void a vehicles manufacturers warranty, unless the warranty clearly and conspicously states that aftermarket equipment voids the warranty. Most states have warranty statues , as well . which provide further protection for vehicle owners.
VEHICLE DEALERS OBLIGATION
Suppose your modified vehicle needs repairs while still under warranty. Without analyzing the true case of the problem the dealer attempts to deny warranty coverage. He made his decision simply based on the fact that you’ve installed aftermarket equipment- a covenient way to dodge low-paying warranty work.
FACT: A dealer most prove –not just say- the aftermarket equipment caused the need for the repair before he can deny warranty coverage on that basis.
YOUR RIGHTS
Point out to the dealer the provision of the the Magnuson-Moss Act require that he explains to you how the aftermarket equipment caused the problem. If he cant or his explanation sounds questionable it is your legal right to demand he comply with the warranty.
there are always dealers that will try to get around this to save money, but if there are ever any problems, write to the regional manager and they will be taken care of.
Protecting tweakers, tuners and other users of aftermarket equipment. FANNING FEARS. You want to upgreat your vehicle with aftermarket equipment nut your worried about putting your vehicles warranty at risk.its no wonder. How many times you’ve heard someone of a dealership say that installing aftermarket parts automatically voids the warranty? This common misconception has been repeated often enough to be widely believed – though it is completely false.
FACT: Dealers don’t like warranty work , because it pays less than normal repair work. By promoting the myth that aftermarket equipment automatically voids warranties, some dealers avoid such low-paying work. Instead they attempt to charge customers the prime service rate work which is rightfully done under warranty.
THE TRUTH
Most vehicle owners are not aware they are protected by federal law: the Magnuson-Moss Warranty- Federal Trade Commission Improvement Act of 1975. Under the Magnuson-Moss Act aftermarket equipment which improves performance doesn’t void a vehicles manufacturers warranty, unless the warranty clearly and conspicously states that aftermarket equipment voids the warranty. Most states have warranty statues , as well . which provide further protection for vehicle owners.
VEHICLE DEALERS OBLIGATION
Suppose your modified vehicle needs repairs while still under warranty. Without analyzing the true case of the problem the dealer attempts to deny warranty coverage. He made his decision simply based on the fact that you’ve installed aftermarket equipment- a covenient way to dodge low-paying warranty work.
FACT: A dealer most prove –not just say- the aftermarket equipment caused the need for the repair before he can deny warranty coverage on that basis.
YOUR RIGHTS
Point out to the dealer the provision of the the Magnuson-Moss Act require that he explains to you how the aftermarket equipment caused the problem. If he cant or his explanation sounds questionable it is your legal right to demand he comply with the warranty.
there are always dealers that will try to get around this to save money, but if there are ever any problems, write to the regional manager and they will be taken care of.
portscan69
12-17-2003, 12:47 PM
Here is your 2002 Z28 Stats Jared.. Why is it so hard to find???? I found it easily.. It's a quick car but still slow to be a V-8
Year
Manufacturer
Model
Trim
Body Type
Base MSRP2002
Chevrolet
Camaro
Z28
Convertible
-DimensionsCurb Weight
Weight Distribution(%Front-Rear)
Length
Height
Width
Front Headroom
Front Legroom
Wheelbase
Wheel Rim Size3,574 lbs.
55-45
193.5"
51.8"
74.1"
38.7"
43"
101.1"
16"EngineType
Drivetrain
Valvetrain
Cylinders
Cylinder Configuration
Displacement
Horsepower(HP)
Torque(FT-LBs.)
Redline5.7 Liter LS1 Gas
Front Engine / RWD
16-Valve OHV
8
Vee
5,665 cc
310 @ 5200 RPM
340 @ 4000 RPM
6200 RPMTransmissionGear Type
1st Gear Ratio
2nd Gear
3rd
4th
5th
6th
Final Drive
Reverse
Clutch Type6-Speed Manual with OverDrive
2.66:1
1.78:1
1.30:1
1:1
0.74:1
0.5:1
3.42:1
2.9:1
Torque ConverterPerformance0-60 mph
0-100 mph
1/4 Mile
Top Speed
Gas Mileage5.3 s
-
14.0 s
155 mph
19 MPG City / 28 MPG Highway
Year
Manufacturer
Model
Trim
Body Type
Base MSRP2002
Chevrolet
Camaro
Z28
Convertible
-DimensionsCurb Weight
Weight Distribution(%Front-Rear)
Length
Height
Width
Front Headroom
Front Legroom
Wheelbase
Wheel Rim Size3,574 lbs.
55-45
193.5"
51.8"
74.1"
38.7"
43"
101.1"
16"EngineType
Drivetrain
Valvetrain
Cylinders
Cylinder Configuration
Displacement
Horsepower(HP)
Torque(FT-LBs.)
Redline5.7 Liter LS1 Gas
Front Engine / RWD
16-Valve OHV
8
Vee
5,665 cc
310 @ 5200 RPM
340 @ 4000 RPM
6200 RPMTransmissionGear Type
1st Gear Ratio
2nd Gear
3rd
4th
5th
6th
Final Drive
Reverse
Clutch Type6-Speed Manual with OverDrive
2.66:1
1.78:1
1.30:1
1:1
0.74:1
0.5:1
3.42:1
2.9:1
Torque ConverterPerformance0-60 mph
0-100 mph
1/4 Mile
Top Speed
Gas Mileage5.3 s
-
14.0 s
155 mph
19 MPG City / 28 MPG Highway
Jared_80
12-17-2003, 01:36 PM
i dont know about you, but those are fighten' words wheres i comes from.
and HOLY SHIT, where the hell did all these posts come from? lol!!!
Jared, youre a smart guy, and you seem like you know your shit about cars. but dont say you didnt learn anything, cause i know you were suprised as shit from all the tibs and the accent i posted. that accent is his daily driver too.
cole, dont even try it, there arent firm numbers anywhere on the net cause not even motor trend has numbers for the z28, i looked when trying to compare it to the evo. the only place i could find was edmunds, but they arent accurate i guess. if anyone wants to give me 11k, then i will be glad to take this challenge, i only paid 11k for my tib.
I sure did learn quie a bit from arguing with yall. And yea some of those tibs were fast especaly that accent, what the heck did they do to that thing??. As far as those "fighting words" I had just looked up the stats for the tib in high hopes that it would top the Zs lousy proformance, and I was in shock at at the time. I figured that with a V6 and all it would rock, at leased top the Eclipse. Oh well maby by next year they will figure it out and give us a few more ponies.
and HOLY SHIT, where the hell did all these posts come from? lol!!!
Jared, youre a smart guy, and you seem like you know your shit about cars. but dont say you didnt learn anything, cause i know you were suprised as shit from all the tibs and the accent i posted. that accent is his daily driver too.
cole, dont even try it, there arent firm numbers anywhere on the net cause not even motor trend has numbers for the z28, i looked when trying to compare it to the evo. the only place i could find was edmunds, but they arent accurate i guess. if anyone wants to give me 11k, then i will be glad to take this challenge, i only paid 11k for my tib.
I sure did learn quie a bit from arguing with yall. And yea some of those tibs were fast especaly that accent, what the heck did they do to that thing??. As far as those "fighting words" I had just looked up the stats for the tib in high hopes that it would top the Zs lousy proformance, and I was in shock at at the time. I figured that with a V6 and all it would rock, at leased top the Eclipse. Oh well maby by next year they will figure it out and give us a few more ponies.
portscan69
12-18-2003, 06:11 AM
I sure did learn quie a bit from arguing with yall. And yea some of those tibs were fast especaly that accent, what the heck did they do to that thing??. As far as those "fighting words" I had just looked up the stats for the tib in high hopes that it would top the Zs lousy proformance, and I was in shock at at the time. I figured that with a V6 and all it would rock, at leased top the Eclipse. Oh well maby by next year they will figure it out and give us a few more ponies.
It did top the Eclipse.
It did top the Eclipse.
Jared_80
12-18-2003, 11:23 AM
It comes very close to the GT but does not touch the GS-t or the GSX.
portscan69
12-18-2003, 02:00 PM
It comes very close to the GT but does not touch the GS-t or the GSX.
GT Eclipse and the Tib are equal.. both 15.6 in a quarter and 7.2 0-60. Tiburon is better at the 60-0 with 122 feet and the Eclipse at 135. But heres both stats.
2003 Tiburon GT
Base price : $17,999 (http://www.qksrv.net/click-1117943-5684914)http://www.qksrv.net/image-1117943-5684914
Engine : V6, DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 2,656 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual, 5-spd manual, 4-spd automanual
Fuel economy : city - 18-20 mpg
highway - 26 mpg
Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson struts
R - Multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Solid discs
Horsepower : 170hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 181 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline : 6500 rpm
Top speed : 137 mph
0-60 mph : 7.2 sec.(manual)
0-¼ mile : 15.6 sec @ 88.8 mph
60-0 braking distance : 122 ft
Curb Weight : 3023 lbs
Overall length : 173.0 in.
Wheelbase : 99.6 in.
Overall Width : 69.3 in.
Height : 52.3 in.
2003 Eclipse GT
Base price : $20,947 (http://www.qksrv.net/click-1117943-5684914)http://www.qksrv.net/image-1117943-5684914
Engine : V6, DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 2,972 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual, 4-spd automanual
Fuel economy : city - 20-22 mpg
highway - 27-30 mpg
Suspension : F - Independent Macpherson strut
R - Independent multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Solid discs
Horsepower : 200 hp @ 5500 rpm(coupe), 210 hp @ 5750 rpm(Spyder)
Torque : 205 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm(coupe), 205 lb-ft @ 3750 rpm(Spyder)
Redline : 6200 rpm
Top speed : 130 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 7.2 sec.
0-¼ mile : 15.6 sec @ 89.9 mph
60-0 braking distance : 135 ft.
Curb Weight : 3120-3241 lbs
Overall length : 176.8 in.
Wheelbase : 100.8 in.
Overall Width : 68.9 in.
Height : 51.6 in.(coupe), 52.8 in.(Spyder)
30 More HP in the Eclipse GT 24 more lb of foot torque in the Eclipse GT and they run equal. Looks like the Tib done pretty good. Wheel base and overall width of the Tiburon is bigger. 3000 dollars more base price on the Eclipse and runs equal with the Tiburon. 3000 more and has a lower top speed than the Tiburon. Why for 3000 more Leather is not standard in the Eclipse GT. 3000 less leather is standard in the GT Tiburon.
I think id go with the Tiburon!!
GT Eclipse and the Tib are equal.. both 15.6 in a quarter and 7.2 0-60. Tiburon is better at the 60-0 with 122 feet and the Eclipse at 135. But heres both stats.
2003 Tiburon GT
Base price : $17,999 (http://www.qksrv.net/click-1117943-5684914)http://www.qksrv.net/image-1117943-5684914
Engine : V6, DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 2,656 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 6-spd manual, 5-spd manual, 4-spd automanual
Fuel economy : city - 18-20 mpg
highway - 26 mpg
Suspension : F - Independent MacPherson struts
R - Multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Solid discs
Horsepower : 170hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque : 181 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm
Redline : 6500 rpm
Top speed : 137 mph
0-60 mph : 7.2 sec.(manual)
0-¼ mile : 15.6 sec @ 88.8 mph
60-0 braking distance : 122 ft
Curb Weight : 3023 lbs
Overall length : 173.0 in.
Wheelbase : 99.6 in.
Overall Width : 69.3 in.
Height : 52.3 in.
2003 Eclipse GT
Base price : $20,947 (http://www.qksrv.net/click-1117943-5684914)http://www.qksrv.net/image-1117943-5684914
Engine : V6, DOHC, front engine FWD
Displacement : 2,972 cc
Valve : 24 valves, 4 valves per cylinder
Transmission : 5-spd manual, 4-spd automanual
Fuel economy : city - 20-22 mpg
highway - 27-30 mpg
Suspension : F - Independent Macpherson strut
R - Independent multilink
Brakes : F - Vented discs
R - Solid discs
Horsepower : 200 hp @ 5500 rpm(coupe), 210 hp @ 5750 rpm(Spyder)
Torque : 205 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm(coupe), 205 lb-ft @ 3750 rpm(Spyder)
Redline : 6200 rpm
Top speed : 130 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 7.2 sec.
0-¼ mile : 15.6 sec @ 89.9 mph
60-0 braking distance : 135 ft.
Curb Weight : 3120-3241 lbs
Overall length : 176.8 in.
Wheelbase : 100.8 in.
Overall Width : 68.9 in.
Height : 51.6 in.(coupe), 52.8 in.(Spyder)
30 More HP in the Eclipse GT 24 more lb of foot torque in the Eclipse GT and they run equal. Looks like the Tib done pretty good. Wheel base and overall width of the Tiburon is bigger. 3000 dollars more base price on the Eclipse and runs equal with the Tiburon. 3000 more and has a lower top speed than the Tiburon. Why for 3000 more Leather is not standard in the Eclipse GT. 3000 less leather is standard in the GT Tiburon.
I think id go with the Tiburon!!
Jared_80
01-13-2004, 10:07 AM
I would agree with you on the GT but the GSX is still much faster. Unfortunetly the GSX in no longer in production.
tibby01
01-13-2004, 11:45 AM
yeah, mitsu is being a bunch of bitches by shying away from their turbo'ing days and just going for more displacement.
ColeIketani
01-13-2004, 11:14 PM
Apparently tho is that the Tiburons are getting turbo/supercharger kits etc in April.
nisco
01-14-2004, 02:13 AM
Apparently tho is that the Tiburons are getting turbo/supercharger kits etc in April.
havent i been sayin that for months and theres always been kits for teh tib.....
but yeah mitsu has shit the bed in the past few years... 1 outa lioke 12 cars thats got balls to be driven... teh eclipse is a joke from what it once was :disappoin
havent i been sayin that for months and theres always been kits for teh tib.....
but yeah mitsu has shit the bed in the past few years... 1 outa lioke 12 cars thats got balls to be driven... teh eclipse is a joke from what it once was :disappoin
ColeIketani
01-14-2004, 12:11 PM
ya Nisco, but these kits are being issued from Hyundai so that the warrenties would still be intact
nisco
01-14-2004, 06:24 PM
ya Nisco, but these kits are being issued from Hyundai so that the warrenties would still be intact
yeah the H.A.R.D. parts
it was announced at sema.. i know what theyre puttin out.. but i wanna see the products
and get more info
yeah the H.A.R.D. parts
it was announced at sema.. i know what theyre puttin out.. but i wanna see the products
and get more info
tibby01
01-14-2004, 06:42 PM
im the kind of "believe it when i see it guy". i doubt it will be available any time soon.
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