Mclaren F1 Reborn - the McLaren P1 Supercar thread

For those who live in the Uk check this weeks Auto Express out spyshot of the Mclaren under going testing in Germany. Is this the F1 replacement

Check the link out

www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/282469/new_mclaren_f1_spies.html

;) Looks like a roof scoop too :)

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Twin turbo V8?:wtf:
No central driving position?:shakehead
And this is the "New F1?" :disappoin :nono:

Sorry, but...I think the F1 will be staying probably one of the best ever made, produced, desinged supercar with a honest straight simply engine/gearbox layout.
That's what supercars should be, not the engines which can be found under the bonnet of "familysedans!", meaning those 8...sylinders........Even 8 is better than 6 but.....if this is "the next F1...".... :nono:

Only what I'm looking forward is the desing, how it will look. Does it have the same timeless elegance than F1 had....

Sorry, but that's my opinnion.:shakehead

Mclaren obviously want to keep costs down [unlike when GM was in charge of the F1 and cost wasn't really a factor, weight reduction and driver experience were], and the economy isn't like what it was when the F1 was born, so using the same tub as the MP4-12C across all 3 new Mclaren versions works for them; the difference is this engine will be tweaked, have KERS, the new body will be hand made and few other lovely bits of engineering will round off the 'new' F1 [currently codenamed P12].

Don't expect it to be the new F1, just accept it as the new Mclaren hypercar. Changing your mindset to this new way of thinking will then not disappoint you when the P12 enters fruition. It's gonna be a great car.

Refer to Roger's signature: "There'll never be another..."

It's a true statement in many ways but the real issue is that in 20 years there have been significant changes in the laws governing motor vehicle production all over the world. The three seater layout would be nearly impossible to replicate today and not have a vehicle that stretches the width of the lane in order to survive a side-impact crash test. That lovely V12 engine isn't nearly as efficient or clean as it needs to be to satisfy not just the regulations, but also McLaren's own desire to be environmentally sympathetic and as carbon neutral as possible.

It's easy to think of the McLaren F1 as a modern car - it doesn't look visually dated and its performance is still right there with some of the best cars being produced today. That said, it isn't a modern car and its brilliant design and packaging are no match for today's marketplace. I have little doubt that McLaren's 'F1 successor' will be worthy of that title and may impress us in ways we haven't even imagined. I look forward to them unmasking this one and sharing all its technology and performance.

In reference again to Roger's signature - 5 years ago I never expected we'd see McLaren in a position to build their own great cars again so the entire operation at McLaren Automotive is quite exciting indeed.

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It's so true McLaren can not ignore the market trends and global push for greener cars. technology has improved and is a major factor in even the most basic cars these days. Compare your bog standard family car to the le-mans greats of the 80's the only electrics were the starter alternator and lighting circuits lol. These days you need an electronics degree to fix your car. The new car will not be as totally radical as the F1 was they can not afford that luxury, the F1 was a statement what they need now is cars that will sell and make profit. We enthusiasts may not like it but thats business.

You are right here, we just have to accept this. Todays world is very much different than it was 20 years ago.
But fortunately; there is history. If these new supercars not give any interest; then (atleast I) look back to the history and enjoy it. :)

I'm sure it will be a great hypercar.

in about a month we'll see...

McLaren have pretty much squashed the rumor that they will unveil P12 in Monaco so it seems we will be waiting a while longer.

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Will this car be unveiled before the end of the year?

I wonder if the program will be as exclusive as the F1 program, where they paint little models for customers to decide paint and adjust the car for their size (pedals etc.)

McLaren will be at the Paris Motorshow this september/october but they might unveil the MP4 Spyder or this one...

I'll be disappointed if it ends up like that :

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/189149/3376113a.jpg

More on : http://www.autoblog.nl/renders-van-de-mclaren-f1-opvolger

I'll be disappointed if it ends up like that :

http://www.supercars.net/pitlane/pics/189149/3376113a.jpg

More on : http://www.autoblog.nl/renders-van-de-mclaren-f1-opvolger

That's what the MP412C (or whatever it's called) should look like.

Probably there's a secret preview at Pebble Beach this year;

http://www.carsuk.net/new-mclaren-f1-to-get-1000-bhp-private-reveal-at-pebble-beach/

I was told the car would not be shown at Pebble Beach when I was in Italy by the man who heads up the P12 Program and McLaren Special Operations. I can't see him having any reason to lie about that so unless they have made a new decision in the past two months I believe that report to be untrue. :2cents:

I am still betting on a reveal at this year's Paris Motorshow opposite Ferrari unveiling the Enzo replacement.

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P.S.: I am planning to be in Monterey again this year so if anyone knows for certain of something going on besides the 12C Spider event at Gooding, please let me know. :)

That's what the MP412C (or whatever it's called) should look like.

+1 I love the looks of that...lot more aggressive than the MP412c.

I was told the car would not be shown at Pebble Beach when I was in Italy by the man who heads up the P12 Program and McLaren Special Operations. I can't see him having any reason to lie about that so unless they have made a new decision in the past two months I believe that report to be untrue. :2cents:

Secondary confirmation this afternoon from a US 12C owner who is waiting for his P12 with the rest of us - it will not be shown to anyone in Monterey. His info is even more recent than my own.

Pity too, because I probably can't make it to Paris. :(

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Every automotive site or blog has a news about the P12 being privatly revealed to clients at Pebble Beach...wrong rumor? I do trust what a client says and what you say Erik!
My brother and I, we have to go to Paris.

Yes - I believe CarsUK published it first and a bunch of others picked up on it and ran with the story.

There are two VIP events scheduled by McLaren in Monterey. The first one is in their own tent on the grounds at Pebble and while I was told they will reveal something 'Special' there I was assured it will not be P12 in any form. Then the following night in the Gooding & Co tent they will unveil the 12C Spider in a similar fashion to how the 12C Coupe was first shown back in 2010. Whatever is shown that first night in McLaren's tent will remain there through the Concours on Sunday and those who have registered to gain access will also be able to see it. I'll do my best to have photos of it online as quickly as possible.

I am a bit worried that the timing of the sale of the F1 GTR at Bonhams will overlap the reveal of the 12C Spider. Gooding and Bonhams are nowhere near each other so that could pose a small challenge.

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Some minutes ago I was told that at Paris McLaren won't show the production version of the car (P12 or whatever), instead there will be a concept, pretty close to the production one (only 10% of the concept will be changed). No news about Pebble Beach though.

That's what I expect too. :)

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Hi,

Don't forget McLaren invited some 12C customers inclunding 3 french owners at Goodwood and they were told about the 12C Spider.

Finally, the car was not there, they only see pics and film a few days before the official unveil...

Phil

McLaren have pretty much squashed the rumor that they will unveil P12 in Monaco so it seems we will be waiting a while longer.

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Whilst reading the September edition of Octane Magazine it states on page 42/43 that for the Windsor Castle Concours of Elegance (celebrating HM the Queens's Diamond Jubilee)over the weekend of 7-9 September that along with 60 'Best of British' Classic and Performance cars it will include a secret 2012 Supercar - a spanking new model seen for the first time! Could this possibly be the new Mclaren?

Might also be the Bentley Flying Star Super Sport cause there is a pic of that on their website.

I would suspect McLaren will classify the new supercar as a 2014 model. I'd also expect them to use a more world renown event to unveil the P12 to ensure that major media outlets are in attendance.

There's a motorshow coming up in Paris at the end of September. Without any specific inside knowledge (other than it not being shown at Pebble) Paris remains my bet.


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Hi,

My thought : McLaren will unveil P12 at Paris :)
Two reasons :
1) it's the first show McLaren will attend
2) F65 is rumored to be presented in Paris

McLaren vs Ferrari, so the story goes on.

I have another theory about Lewis Hamilton ;)

Whats your thoughts on this rumor

http://www.carsuk.net/is-the-mclaren-x-1-actually-the-new-mclaren-f1-under-the-skin/

That rumour was countered in the same article, where Mclaren state it is actually a 2013 MP4-12C underneath the new clothes :)

I left my comment on that page a few days ago. Definitely a bad guess from them.

In EVO's September issue Antony Sheriff confirmed P12 in Paris in case that wasn't clear to everyone.

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Hi!

Maybe it's a bad guess but the first time I saw the X1, I kept wondering what engine did they put in it, is it the same from the MP4-12c or is something that will serve as a basis for the future F1 power plant...

Anyway, are you guys sure that the F1 successor will be unveiled in Paris this year? I might be attending the show, so I'm really excited about the idea that the F1 replacement could be unveiled there! :runaround:

Yes - it is for sure to be revealed at Paris.

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First official photo...

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/387025_10151009081436717_83831681_n.jpg

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Got that pic in the email newsletter; looks like a nice aggressive profile

Today I had the opportunity to speak with an insider, who has already seen the P12, or at least the one that will be shown at Paris....it will shock the automotive world!

Insider, as in does he work at the factory?
The car hasn't been shown to potential customers yet (including F1 owners).

That's not true Nicholas - I'd go so far as to say that quite a lot of people have seen the car already. Some via photos that were shared via an iPad in Monterey and quite a few others via visits to the factory. One of them relayed these comments on McLarenLife.com just two days ago:

Just came from a dinner at MTC to kick off the Windsor Castle Concours. After being made to leave all cellphones outside (and to ensure no pics, there was a burly looking security guy watching everyone look at the car) we split into small groups and in a cool new presentation room were shown the car that will be in Paris.

Unlike the first time I was shown this car, Ron told us that we were free to speak about what we saw (the last time I was only half-jokingly told I'd be killed if I discussed it). Seeing the car again, and this time under perfect lighting, all I can say is wow. It is mind blowing; the aerodynamic design elements are unlike anything seen before. The rear end has got to be one of the coolest looking things ever. Talking with Frank Stephenson, he was nearly giggling with excitement about Paris.

And in closing, I can only reiterate that it looks nothing like any of the renderings that are out there.

Note it was his second time seeing the physical car and he is from California.

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Seeing the car again, and this time under perfect lighting, all I can say is wow. It is mind blowing; the aerodynamic design elements are unlike anything seen before. The rear end has got to be one of the coolest looking things ever. Talking with Frank Stephenson, he was nearly giggling with excitement about Paris.

that's more or less what I heard today. Aerodynamic design elements, rear end and performances should be mind blowing

I need oxygen until Paris !!! Thanks Erik for the story.

I, ofcourse:), will be in Paris for this happening!

Not on pressdays but probably on thursday october 11th

I have an idea whay do you think ?

especially in France, all people don't know well the F1 and if you ask about McLaren. People will ask formula one, Lewis Hamilton, technology, .. but no "road car" in the first answers.
To make the link, I would like to suggest to display a F1 next to P12 at Paris motorshow to highlight his brillant heritage.

Aston Martin and Bugatti already do that.

Phil

I love this video with a very nice music.

We live the history my friends and it is so cool !

The weiting is over, I liked very very much, great work to designer, Welcome to the word Mclaren P1. Ejoy my friends

Aaargh, what a horrible design.
To me it's front look like a cross between a One77 and the MP4-12C, on the side you see the back going down-under while the 'cabin' raise too high, and from the back it's a misserable old Japanese designed proto with weird lights.
I hope the reality is better then this.

I think its beautiful, much much better than i expected.

Unlike the F1 it hasn't grabbed me from the outset but I am willing to see if it grows on me? Some aspects I like and others just seem wrong.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/18/mclaren-reveals-p1-design-study-f1-successor-takes-shape/

i think it looks good :licka:

possibly missing a rear spoiler! wonder if there is a GTR version already in the pipeline :icon16:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/payso-f1/McLaren%20P1/th_P1(Large)_zpsaaf2c8a6.jpg (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/payso-f1/McLaren%20P1/P1(Large)_zpsaaf2c8a6.jpg) http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/payso-f1/McLaren%20P1/th_TwitterP1(Large)_zps486cab24.jpg (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/payso-f1/McLaren%20P1/TwitterP1(Large)_zps486cab24.jpg) http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/payso-f1/McLaren%20P1/th_P1IO(Large)_zps5f74fa4f.jpg (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i196/payso-f1/McLaren%20P1/P1IO(Large)_zps5f74fa4f.jpg)

Refer to Roger's signature: "There'll never be another..."

It's a true statement in many ways but the real issue is that in 20 years there have been significant changes in the laws governing motor vehicle production all over the world. The three seater layout would be nearly impossible to replicate today and not have a vehicle that stretches the width of the lane in order to survive a side-impact crash test. That lovely V12 engine isn't nearly as efficient or clean as it needs to be to satisfy not just the regulations, but also McLaren's own desire to be environmentally sympathetic and as carbon neutral as possible.

It's easy to think of the McLaren F1 as a modern car - it doesn't look visually dated and its performance is still right there with some of the best cars being produced today. That said, it isn't a modern car and its brilliant design and packaging are no match for today's marketplace. I have little doubt that McLaren's 'F1 successor' will be worthy of that title and may impress us in ways we haven't even imagined. I look forward to them unmasking this one and sharing all its technology and performance.

In reference again to Roger's signature - 5 years ago I never expected we'd see McLaren in a position to build their own great cars again so the entire operation at McLaren Automotive is quite exciting indeed.

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I think the design parameters and the project goals are slightly different this time around. The original F1 was meant to be the ultimate “drivers” road car; the fact that it ended up having such an amazing race history was a welcome by product. The F1 was a statement which in part was to help define a sustainable path for Mclaren as a car manufacturer. All these years later that is becoming a reality.

The F1 truly raised the stakes in terms of materials and chassis design/construction. I think that the P1 will likely function in a somewhat similar fashion. However, from what I have read it looks like a design goal is to be “the fastest around a circuit” and thus this car will probably be closer to a GTR. Looking at the photos (extremely low ground clearance), my first thought was “where is the wing?” Put a wing on it and it would look like a car ready to be entered at LeMans.

It will be interesting to see the finalized specs for the engine. Using the same in house engine for multiple models makes sense from an economic perspective, regardless of eco-friendly reasons. Gordon was adamant about using the NA V-12 in the F1 (among other reasons) because it was better suited than modern TT were at that time for a road going car. More predictable and safer, which was all part of making the F1 the “ultimate driver’s car”. The new TT V-8 with modern technology and engine management will likely provide incredible performance yet also be manageable for the regular driver.

When I first heard of a TT V-8 my first thought was the Saleen S7 TT. Without question, that was a car greatly inspired by the F1. Place an F1 Longtail next to a Saleen S7 TT Competition and there are more than a few similarities. When the Saleen S7 TT came out it was panned by many because it had a V-8 and by the time the TT competition package arrived the economy and the company were heading in the wrong direction. Even so, the S7 had a very successful race history.

While I would prefer a V-12, I’ll bet the V-8 TT will deliver the performance necessary to make it a worthy successor to the F1. While the appearance may not be what everyone was hoping for, thus far it looks a hell of a lot better than the spy photos of the Enzo’s replacementJ

This makes me love the F1 even more.
Let's wait the final version.

...my first thought was “where is the wing?” Put a wing on it and it would look like a car ready to be entered at LeMans.

The wing is there - it's just resting. ;)

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Relief not like a "retro F1"!:lol2:
Side view looks good, nose view not special. But the rear is fortunaltely so far enough different to separe it any other supercar today.
BUT:
-if only V8, neighbour VW has more sylinders:jerking:
- Supercars should not have any turbos (but no can do)
-KERS and what else? how much these increases the weight?
- if weight over 1300, not so bad. If over 1400 starts to be bad, if close to 1500kg....:headshake

But lets see.......

My first thought was: P1?:uhoh:

I'm sure it won't be the final name but, if it is, we have a problem.

"F1" was criticized in the 90s.
"MP4-12C" is silly.

I don't know which name I prefer.
I don't like "P1" because we must understand that the F1 will never reborn and I don't like "MP4-69Q" (or whatever) because it's stupid.

Anyway I think I'll love the new McLaren.:bigthumb:

Relief not like a "retro F1"!:lol2:
Side view looks good, nose view not special. But the rear is fortunaltely so far enough different to separe it any other supercar today.
BUT:
-if only V8, neighbour VW has more sylinders:jerking:
- Supercars should not have any turbos (but no can do)
-KERS and what else? how much these increases the weight?
- if weight over 1300, not so bad. If over 1400 starts to be bad, if close to 1500kg....:headshake

But lets see.......

1300kg is close to 2900 lbs. That's not heavy but honestly I would hope the final curb weight is closer to 1200kg.

If I' not mistaken, F1 #73 pumps out something close to 740bhp from the modded LM spec engine. With that in mind, it's kind of disappointing they couldn't produce a NA V-12 with 800+hp mated to a 7-speed formula one style gearbox.:grinyes:

Think it lacks the simplicity and purity of line of it's predecessor but then I suppose it is intended to give it a more aggressive look. which the F1 certainly has not got in my opinion.

If I' not mistaken, F1 #73 pumps out something close to 740bhp from the modded LM spec engine.

691 bhp was the figure quoted by Christie's when the car was sold.

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I really hope they rethink some of the P1's design before it hits the market; it's not really that classy as F1 was when presented in 1992 and it still is. This shown now reminds me very much of the 2007 Mazda Furai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_Furai) (just without the huge rear wing). At least give it more conventional looking headlights, maybe rear lights too. Also the mirrors look very ugly now; I think virtual rear view mirrors, like Porsche 918 Spyder/RSR with small cameras, would suit this car better. Ok, it's a concept and show car so some of it will be changed for production versions, but at least those parts and the whole front appearance should be rethought.

I pretty much liked the earlier renderings shown by Iacoski (http://www.iacoski.com/mclaren-f1-successor-p12-speculative-render/). They show more traditional front and much classier clean look than these now shown by McLaren. Only the boxy hole/vent on the front hood is a bit disturbing.

Also the naming of the car seems very inconsistent: F1, MP4-12C, P1... P1 was originally the code name for the F1 as 'Project 1' but then they named it half jokingly 'F1' as being 39 steps better than (Ferrari) F40; was good then and still is. Does it now stand for 'pole position' or 'position one' like in Formula One races they show 'P1' on the pit board for the race leader? I think McLaren should have thought the naming better out even before MP4-12C was launched and kept the MP4-xx for the Formula One cars and have something more convenient for their road cars (would be easier also in marketing of those cars).

Even though this P1 can't replace F1, I think it still is an interesting car and will be nice to see the other details of it. But still I am waiting for Gordon's response if he still is keen to do a proper supercar after the T25/T27 as mentioned in a few of his interviews.

1300kg is close to 2900 lbs. That's not heavy but honestly I would hope the final curb weight is closer to 1200kg.

If I' not mistaken, F1 #73 pumps out something close to 740bhp from the modded LM spec engine. With that in mind, it's kind of disappointing they couldn't produce a NA V-12 with 800+hp mated to a 7-speed formula one style gearbox.:grinyes:

Yep, Atleast Gordon would not be happy if there is any turbos onboard....:naughty:
And I agree, NA V12 sounds the best, and is very simple. Of course developing work isn't cheap this level but this is McLaren....

I think it looks great. Modern, compact, and purposeful. It's not supposed to be an homage to the F1 but a new interpretation of "pinnacle." I can't wait to see the real thing, get some size perspective next to other cars, and hear the performance specs.

I agree DocGTR,

D-3 !

Phil