What Mclarens do you have pictures of?

[hurstg01]

So far, my folder list looks like this -
Road Cars - #001, #002, #003, #004, #005, #006, #007, #008, #009, #010, #011, #012, #013, #014, #015, #016, #017, #018, #020, #021, #022, #023, #024, #025, #028, #029, #031, #033, #036, #037, #038, #039, #040, #042, #043, #044, #045, #046, #047, #048, #049, #050, #051, #052, #053, #055, #057, #059, #060, #061, #062, #063, #064, #065, #067, #068, #069, #070, #071, #072, #073, #074, #075, LM1, LM2, LM3, LM4, LM5, XP1LM, XP1, XP2, XP3, XP4, XP5, Clinic Model, #54F1GT, #56XPGT, #58F1GT
Race Cars - #01R, #02R, #03R, #04R, #05R, #06R, #07R, #08R, #09R, #010R, #011R, #012R, #013R, #014R, #015R, #016R, #017R, #018R, #019R, #020R, #021R, #022R, #023R, #024R, #025R, #026R, #027R, #028R

Meaning I am missing pics of #066

(#019 #026, #027, #030, #032, #034, #035, #041, #054, #056, #058 aren't designated chassis #'s)

Has anyone got pics of the cars i am missing? please

[McLaren F1 Guy]

Good question. The only thing I can contribute is that you can see #004 in a video from Top Gear with a tour of the factory.

[Peloton25]

I don't think you have photos of #010. Other than that, I can't add to your list.

Also some of the photos that have been ID'd here in the past are still unconfirmed - I am thinking specifically of #017, #021, #043, #048, #059, & #060. The cars are more than likely those, but we've been wrong in the past on this stuff.

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[Peloton25]

You know... I went to file this image from payso's Pictures thread and it dawned on me that this could very well be the only real shot of chassis #004 in existence.



The car behind it is the Clinic Model painted yellow. You'll recall that the yellow Clinic Model was seen in Tiff Needel's early review of the F1s for Top Gear where he clearly IDs a red car on the assembly line as "chassis double-0 four". At that time, #004 was just beginning final assembly. Reference these screengrabs I just made:











The red color on #004 looks deeper because it's covered in some kind of protective coating and also because these images were made from a fairly poor quality source. I'm pretty certain that I am on to something though.

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[cabrio92]

Hello,

I wonder if #004 would be the red car in Monaco that noboby haven't seen

LM001, LM002, LM003, XP1LM

Errr, are you sure to have pics of four LM ??

Phil

[hurstg01]

Originally Posted by cabrio92

Errr, are you sure to have pics of four LM ?? Phil

LM001 - Its the black one that Erik found the drawing of - shown here
LM002, LM003 and XP1LM are well known here and there are numerous pics floating around the web

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by cabrio92

I wonder if #004 would be the red car in Monaco that noboby haven't seen

The Monaco car could also be #021 - painted Blood Red Solid.

...and for the record, I don't get to take credit for finding that drawing of LM1.

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[BMW.WilliamsF1Team]

I have the clinic model, spare tub, prototypes, and GTRs.

What I'm missing:

54 F1 GT (I guess you can include that picture with the 3 GTs together)

LM1, LM4, LM5

005, 006, 008, 010, 029, 033, 039, 046, 050, 052, 057, 066.

Updated.

[Le Man]

Here you go BMW Wil/f1

54 F1 GT.

Black with red interior, Pics taken on photo shoot in Scottish highlands for GT brochure.




(2nd pic posted by Payso)

[carbuilder2002]

Isn't there a bright red F1 in London owned by a woman?
Would like to see the picture of the spare chassis tub.

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by BMW.WilliamsF1Team

I have the clinic model, spare tub, prototypes, and GTRs.

What you have identified as the spare tub is likely not. I suspect it's the seating buck to allow for setting steering and pedal adjustments, fitting the seat and helping the customer in determining the interior treatment options. The pics I am thinking of:

What I'm missing:

001, 002, 004, 005, 006, 008, 013, 017, 019, 023, 024, 025, 029, 033, 039, 043, 046, 048, 050, 052, 057, 059, 060, 066.

You have at least one shot of #001 - the shot of the first and last F1s from Driving Ambition apparently depicts #001 & #075.

#002 is the grey car with the red door stripe which was seen in the Autocar - McLaren's Road Car book, as well as the Kenwood 1995 Calendar if you have ever seen that.

#013 is the Silver F1 with the red stripe in Japan - a recent development.

#017 was the Christopher Dawes crash F1 - it was burgundy. There's at least one photo of it and a silver F1 together inside a tent that you probably have or one of us can share it.

#023 is the Paul Stewart F1 in silver with the HDF Kit.

#024 was the car spotted at Shelton Ferrari when it belonged to Jim Clark.

#025 is the Dark Purple Pearl F1 of George Harrison. There are a handful of grainy screengrabs from some Beatles movie - I forget the name.

#043 is believe to be that road car from Japan painted in the Ueno colors - Black over Grey.

#048 - Hmmm - I think we have pics of what is believed to be this car taken in Monaco. I'll have to look again.

#052 was presumably seen in some of the screengrabs that Le Man posted a while back. The car was in the air still being assembled.

#059 should be the silver F1 with the HDF Kit that features a unique set of headlights. It wears the "R66 MCL" UK Reg plates.

#060 is likely the yellow F1 seen in the video from ELG Engineering in Japan. There are a few pics in circulation as well.

If you want me to supply any of these shots you don't have, just let me know.

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[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by Le Man

Here you go BMW Wil/f1

54 F1 GT.

Black with red interior, Pics taken on photo shoot in Scottish highlands for GT brochure.

Are you sure?? Because that shot of the red interior is the only one that has ever left me questioning whether we truly have pictures of 54F1GT. It seems that most of the photos in the F1 GT brocure are of the green GT with the tan interior. It also seems likely, at least in my mind, that the brochure would have been created using the first GT that was completed - and (from memory) I recall that being 56XPGT based on the chassis history chart on the back of the poster included with Driving Ambition.

I'd actually be happy to know that I am wrong, but I'd like to have more confirmation. I wonder if anyone who spent time in Brunei recalls the interior color on the GT that was there.

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[BMW.WilliamsF1Team]

Thanks for help guys! Le Man, I was wondering about that picture of 54 GT in the broucher. I find it odd the Sultan would let a pic like that be taken. He seemed to hide all his F1s.

Peloton, are you sure we have no pics of 54 GT? What about the one with the prototype alongisde 54 (I think) and 58 under construction? Thanks for the offer on the pictures. I think I'll wait for F1 monter's site to go up (assuming he'll have pics).

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by BMW.WilliamsF1Team

Peloton, are you sure we have no pics of 54 GT? What about the one with the prototype alongisde 54 (I think) and 58 under construction?

I can't be positive that there aren't any, it's just what I have always believed. As I said, that GT shot with the red interior is the first one to really leave me questioning whether all the shots in the brochure are of 56XPGT. Much like XP5, the color green they painted 56XPGT is not all that vibrant except under direct sunlight so it often appears black making it difficult to be sure one way or the other on any shot.

You are correct though - this overhead image from the factory does appear to show the 3 F1 GTs, so one of these would have to be 54F1GT - maybe the one on the far end.



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[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

You have at least one shot of #001 - the shot of the first and last F1s from Driving Ambition apparently depicts #001 & #075.

Some believe that these two shots taken at the Nice Airport in 1999 could be chassis #001.

http://www.phys.uu.nl/~huizinga/photoscenic.html

The one clue that points to this is that this F1 wears the early style side mirrors borrowed from the Citroen CX.

As a point of reference, Mr Selldorff's chassis #007 wears the updated side mirrors borrowed from the VW Corrado and always has in every photo that I have seen of it. That tells me the running change made to the side mirrors for the F1 must have occurred prior to that point in production.

There were only three silver F1s built before #007 - they are XP3, #001 & #006. We know it's not XP3 because of the marker lights in the front, so that just leaves the other two as possibilites which were both painted Magnesium silver. It's anyone's guess really.

Side note: Chassis' #006 and #010 along with #033 all make up my short list of possible chassis numbers for the F1 that was destroyed by Bernd Pischetsrieder. Looking at photos of the car he wrecked, it had the Corrado mirrors fitted to it. I don't think that really tells us anything for this discussion, but when we do find out which car that was maybe it will help in the debate over these two airport photos.

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