how can u tell if its LM Spec?

Stratoraptor · 07-27-2003, 02:53 AM

throughout the internet i have seen many pictures of F1 GTR labled as F1 LM by the person running the website. yes its orange and has a wing on it, but its not an F1 LM.

i was wondering if all F1 LM have the the decal on windshield that say so. or the F1 LM badge in the rear diffuser.

how can u tell if its an F1 GTR LM Spec? i know one of the 2 LM Spec at tvrfreaks site has 2 slits in the front near the headlights and the fact that it has a GTR badge in the rear...

...thats about all that i can come up with...

Peloton25 · 07-27-2003, 04:06 AM

I just always look for the 'LM' badge...

Funny you should ask this question as I was just discussing it with someone else the other day.

There's more ways to disprove that a car is not an LM than there is to identify one. Meaning, that if you study the features that are present on the LM's, it's easy to say what's not a true LM. The two most obvious things are the small intake port on the left side ahead of the rear wheel which you won't find on the LM, but was present on the GTR's. All the GTR's that I have seen which have received the LM-look still have this intake on the side. It's a dead giveaway.

The other major visual difference can be seen from the front. Notice the difference in the center hood vents on the three variations in the photo at the bottom. The '95 GTRs looks no different than a standard F1 road car. The LM's adds a large vent opening near the top. The '96 GTR has a similar vent, but it's mounted much lower on the cover and isn't a perfect rectangle as it has a small drop down section in the center. This particular '96 GTR also has the extra roof scoop which wouldn't be seen on a true LM. Though it was never seen on any '95 GTRs, not all '96 GTR's have this additional scoop attached to the roof intake.

True LM's have smooth rocker panels that hang almost straight down from front to back. If you look closely at #11R you'll see it has small wings that stick out from the rocker panels aft of the door line.
LM's have the locking fuel filler on the left side c-pillar as seen on the F1 road car. The converted GTR's just appear to have a blank carbon fiber circle in it's place on the left, and their fuel filler is on the right side c-pillar.
LM's have windows through the engine compartment allowing for internal rear view mirrors. Converted GTRs don't/wouldn't have those.
LM's can have sliding side windows, whereas I have never seen those fitted to a converted GTR.
LM's do not have a built in roll cage as you will still find on most converted GTR's. They also don't have the large panel of switches on located in the right side footwell.
LM's have a beautiful logo engraved into the side plates of the rear wing which reads "GTR" and "24 HEURES DU MANS" with "1995 WINNERS" below. I've never seen that on any of the converted GTRs.
LM's actually have "F1 LM" engraved into one of the spokes on each magnesium OZ wheel. On some, but not all GTRs, you will find "GTR" painted onto one of the spokes - I believe #11R has it.
LM's wear the 'F1 LM' badge on upper left corner of the rear grille and a lone 'McLaren' badge on the lower right.
LM's have the same three cut-outs in the center of their front bumper as the GTR's do, however on the LM's they are blanked out, whereas on the GTR's they are somewhat larger and have removable screens.
While I can't guarantee this to be true for all, every LM I have seen photos of was wearing a black windshield banner that reads "F1LM_____McLaren_____F1LM"

Hope all that info helps!

>8^)
ER

mini magic · 07-27-2003, 02:42 PM

thanks for the info

Stratoraptor · 07-28-2003, 01:56 AM

McLaren Cars can convert an F1 to LM Spec cant they? has it been done before?

Peloton25 · 07-28-2003, 02:14 AM

As you can see from the photo above, they can convert other McLaren's to look very similar to an F1 LM, but there will still be several differences. Maybe not ones that the average viewer will spot, but those of us with a keen eye for detail and a passion for McLarens would never be fooled.

I highly doubt they would ever badge a converted car as an LM, or modify the chassis plaque, so you would always be able to tell in those ways.

>8^)
ER

Stratoraptor · 07-28-2003, 02:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Peloton25
As you can see from the photo above, they can convert other McLaren's to look very similar to an F1 LM, but there will still be several differences. Maybe not ones that the average viewer will spot, but those of us with a keen eye for detail and a passion for McLarens would never be fooled.

I highly doubt they would ever badge a converted car as an LM, or modify the chassis plaque, so you would always be able to tell in those ways.

>8^)
ER

thanks but....that doesnt answer my question

mini magic · 07-28-2003, 10:51 AM

stop qouting everything!!!!

I believe they can, i think this one claims to be (motor) : http://www.qv500.com/adsvendorf1.htm

Peloton25 · 07-28-2003, 12:33 PM

That's why your question seemed a bit confusing...

Surely they could convert any engine to match the output of the LM. I think they've modified one car's engine to be even more powerful than the 680hp output of the LM.

The real trick would be to go for the LM-spec motor and keep the F1 road car's gearbox. Can you say "250 mph" ??

= = = = =

You might find this quote interesting:

"...but we talked with one of the mechanics who showed us a "high output" V12 going into a road car that was 740HP at the crank. It was the only one they would make."

Taken from here:
http://www.centralcoastweb.com/nsxb/...n/mclaren.html

>8^)
ER

mini magic · 07-28-2003, 03:34 PM

yeah i read that b4, i wonder what car it was?

Stratoraptor · 10-10-2003, 05:37 PM

dammit, i cant find any pics of #007R and #011R

can anyone help me out with a link? the one that goes to the car ad on qv500.com doesnt work anymore, the one that was selling #007R.

Peloton25 · 10-10-2003, 06:50 PM

Did you try searching this forum for photos? You should definitely be able to find shots of GTR #11R from the auto shows it has attended. You might also be able to find photos here of #07R by searching "Oakfields".

If you don't come up with anything, I can post some photos over the weekend.

>8^)
ER

Stratoraptor · 10-10-2003, 07:41 PM

thanks for the search tip.

u just saved urself from a massive upload session

would anyone happen to have the link to #011R that contains a series of pictures such as this...

maartenvanthek · 10-11-2003, 05:43 AM

lots of pics of #011 go around the net.
i have a feeling that the high output car is the burguny one. it has extra radiator exhaust, just above the head lights. those ribs make sure extra air can flow through them. i think it is that car.

McLaren F1 Guy · 10-11-2003, 09:25 AM

could #61 be the high output one?

Peloton25 · 10-11-2003, 09:34 AM

No - #061 is Rowan Atkinson's car

Through the process of elimination, mini_magic has decided the car maarten is referring to is #059 which would have originally been painted silver.

>8^)
ER

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