Acura RSX vs. 03' Mustang GT?

[SpyderEclipseGst]

[quote=DkShadow] Now thats going to make me cry since I had an LS1


Ok im back now and can defend my statements. First of all you say WHAT.. A stock mustang into the 13's...? Ill pay for a rental mustang gt and run it at the track. Ill let carrrnuttt drive it too. Its not going to touch the 13's let alone a low 14. Mustang with afew bolt ons? Bah thats what the guy with the IMPORT KILLER mustang said.. Ohh I run a 12.5 1/4 mile. And got HAWKED by a stock turboed clipse with heavy ass 18's. I rarely loose to gt's and the few I lost to were a 2003 svt and modified 5.0. And Id like to see a S/C for a mustang gt run 3k. If it does it probably came from a junk yard. You say you can get into the 12's or 11's with no back up support with just a S/C and bolt ons.. thats gunna run you a few more greens than 3k and I can prove it. On the other hand. Dsm's are all mostly modded the same. DSM $9,000 for a nice mid mileage 99 gsx compared to 20k+ gt. Ok dsm stage 1 mods cost at a MAXIMUM $3000. Thats a big 16g ported and clipped, fuel pump, injectors, intake, exhaust, I/C pipes, FMIC, clutch. And NO YOUR MUSTANG CANT GET ALL THESE FOR NEARLY as much, so dont say it can. And do you know what the 1/4 mile for the stage 1 is for a gsx? a poor driver can get into the low 12's and with a good one 11's. Its proven, just reply to this with shit talking and ill make this another ownage thread and give you plenty of links and cars. Just for shits and giggles try ExtremeMotorsports.com. They are the dsm specialists here where I live and have street cars with 140,000 miles running 10's and 11's. Now I have NEVER seen a 10 sec mustang take a ride to the grocery market or cruise the city, there all trailor queens. And just 2 saturdays ago I was eating at IHOP with and 11 sec and 10 sec talon and eclipse gsx. Thats all I got to say.. Wait no it aint. Also there is a HKS build spyder with 19 inch chromes running low 12's and ill take carrrnuttt next time to prove it. Put up numbers or shut up.. Just trying to prove a point and not trying to flame or bash to bad. Thanks and peace and goodnight.

[SpyderEclipseGst]

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Take a very close look at this time slips

Thats a V6 Mustang quarter mile timeslip. If you mean to tell me that the GT is only two tenths faster than the V6 then I will tell you and any other person Youre full of shit.

Oh and I doubt that was a "stock" v6 mustang. For one I got on it today with a mustang v6. I virtually walked him from 10 mph to 90 mph. He was at least a half football field behind no BS. And my car say as of now is a 15.0 sec car, give and take alittle(with stocks and more psi itll vary alittle. And im the worst driver I know. My boy who's a musle car fanatic has a 2002 v6 stang. And he dont even try to race me anymore. DAMNIT Ive seen a 97 cobra run low 15's and yeah it could be the driver or fake ass stickers. But all in all, mod for mod $$$$ ..Yeah ill say it again mustang gt vs dsm or any tuneable turboed car will win *most the time* (accounting both drivers are equally skilled).

[fatninja19]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

you might be right....actually here the mach 1 is only about 1-2K more than a GT....and i was wondering why would you even buy a GT when a mach 1 is barely more expensive...maybe some dealerships have some weird pricing

I hear that the Mach 1's aren't selling so well and that dealers are giving pretty healthy rebates..


Dkshadow, is that timeslip from a stock v6 mustang??? You never specified. So I assume it's not. A buddy of mine has a 99 v6 stang thats a 5spd, and has intake and exhaust and some 18's... I raced him in my Mom's 01 v6 4dr. loaded accord(all stock btw.. well of course the stolen honda sign). Now, the accord is supposed to run about 16 flats.... And I pull on my buddy every time.. Not too hard.. but I pull. I know my bud doesn't beat his car, but he is a competent driver. So it's hard to believe that a stock v6 stang can be anywhere near a 15.1 1/4 mile pass.



And Spyder... More paragraphs please.

[SpyderEclipseGst]

And Spyder... More paragraphs please.[/quote]


Gladly....*smile*

[GTStang]

Originally Posted by SpyderEclipseGst

Im sorry to say but anything 25k+ would be spent on a true performance car by real tuners. Say a good condition tt supra or evo or sti. Then again most people cant afford one because there still learining the basics of life and havent experiance the job world yet, AKA Real World( no not mtv). Why didnt I get one instead of my spyder? Well first of all I like the 2g sporty body style and the turbo,convertible package is suitable and tuneable(2nd most aftermarket availability right behind honda, but with more hp to boot). Then again after 3k of engine work (turbo upgrade,boltons, and fuel management ive spent 20k total 17k for the car and 3k in engine mods. Then itll be that cobra,tt supra,evo,sti posting a death by spyder eclipse. Note mustang GT'swith 3 grand wont touch most dsms or most tuneable imports with the same amount of $$$$ in it(excluding the SVT cobra=evil with 3k mods).

So your saying any person who buys a Mustang is not a real Tuner???

2nd Most aftermarket availabilty behind Honda.... Why don't you try 3rd cause #1 is easily 5.0 Mustangs

You spent $20,000 on your car total to run what??? I spent about 14,000 on my total to run low 11's and high 10's with more track time. So with less money it would be you posting death by GTStang.

All that doesn't matter, bottom line is you bought what you bought cause it's what you like. I bought what I bought cause it's what I Like. But saying some1 isn't a real tuner cause they bought a Stang....

[fatninja19]

Originally Posted by GTStang

2nd Most aftermarket availabilty behind Honda.... Why don't you try 3rd cause #1 is easily 5.0 Mustangs

took the words right outta my mouth.

[OoNismoO]

mustangs are nice, but seems to take noticeable amounts of gas more than even a modified eclipse, both being driven really slow. i have 550cc injectors in my car, and still seems to get better gas mileage than my friends stock 2000 mustang gt. now i know some of you dont care, cause ive heard it all before, but it does to me, since ive been driving a lot lately, that little difference just adds up.

[DeViL]

hear that the Mach 1's aren't selling so well and that dealers are giving pretty healthy rebates..

I don't know about that I thought they were producing more since there was a demand for them. I'm certainly starting to see more Mach I's in my area then before.

[Layla's Keeper]

Actually, if you want to get technical then it's fourth. The classic Chevy small block (283, 302, 305, 327, 350, 400) that is only in production as a crate motor is still #1. Being the highest produced engine in the world and still being the standard engine of oval track racing has kept it there and will preserve its place for some time.

I, personally, would not even consider trying to out-drag a Mustang with an Acura RSX, Type S or otherwise. Not necessarily, mind you, because I know the Mustang would beat me but because it is my personal belief that the dragstrip is the home of the big live axle, RWD, large-displacement muscle car.

Sorry, but I've attended import drags and there isn't the magic in the air that there is at more traditional events. At the strip, the imports seem to lack the thunder, especially the FF classes. The pro-RWD classes don't do much better thanks to their small fields. The only import drag cars I've come to like are the hybrid RX-3's and Toyota Corollas that carry their front wheels past the 60 foot mark. Otherwise, the imports launch straight, run quiet, and shut down with dulling efficiency.

Now, compared to the nostalgia drags I've attended, where classic front engine rails smoke their M&H Racemasters the whole 1/4mile and nose-high Gassers throw sparks from their bumpers and cross the traps at 160+ sideways, one can see why it becomes so boring so quickly.

But, I'm also frightfully bored by the American Sedan class of SCCA/NASA road racing. Forx Body 'Stangs and 3rd-4th F-bodies trundling around road courses, burdeoned by overly stock suspensions and heavy yet flexible unibodies makes for dull racing and slow lap times. Show me GT5 or Improved Touring 2 where the latest hot hatches are screaming around, jockeying for position and trail-braking late into the corners. Few sights in racing are cooler than the old "Wascally Wabbits" (the first Volkswagen Rabbits in Showroom Stock competition which beat up on the old Triumphs and Midgets) hunched over on their outside front wheel in a corner while the inside rear is clear of the track.

I firmly believe a stock Integra has no place on the dragstrip. Further more, I disapprove of stock Mustang GT's in anything above autocross. There are two different theories at work here. Two different philosophies. Ignoring them only tends to lead to embarrassment and a thinning wallet.

[DkShadow]

Alright, im going to pick apart your post from now on...

Originally Posted by SpyderEclipseGst

Ok im back now and can defend my statements. First of all you say WHAT.. A stock mustang into the 13's...? Ill pay for a rental mustang gt and run it at the track. Ill let carrrnuttt drive it too. Its not going to touch the 13's let alone a low 14.

All of these were either stock or had exhaust with some even having pullies & T/a.

101 . UA2k1GT - 13.66 @ 100.03 ( 2001 GT AUTO )
142 . Mike00GT - 13.95 @ 99.83 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD )
143 . DrStang67 - 13.96 @ 97.61 ( 1999 GT )
144 . sp33dfr3ak - 13.98 @ 100.64 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
145 . GT_2001 - 13.98 @ 99.76 ( 2001 GT 5 SPD )
146 . CuddaWuddaShuda - 13.99 @ 98.90 ( 2001 GT - STOCK )
147 . GT_Fugazi - 13.99 @ 97.65 ( 2001 GT AUTO )
148 . 00MustangGT - 13.99 @ 97.55 ( 2000 GT AUTO - STOCK )
149 . stang9gt - 14.00 @ 103.91 ( 1996 GT 5 SPD - HS )
150 . SonicBlueCoupe - 14.01 @ 100.65 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
151 . Ruffrider - 14.01 @ 100.00 ( 2003 GT 5 SPD - STOCK )
152 . FireFinder20 - 14.01 @ 98.03 ( 2001 GT 5 SPD VERT )
153 . TARZAN - 14.01 @ ( 2000 GT AUTO VERT )
154 . DeadLurker - 14.02 @ 101.28 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
155 . MineralGray02K - 14.02 @ 100.00 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
156 . Ryan02Stang - 14.02 @ 99.25 ( 2002 GT 5 SPD )
158 . ameration - 14.04 @ 99.45 ( 1999 GT AUTO VERT )
160 . PnyChk01 - 14.05 @ ( 2001 GT )
161 . jetlaggedGT - 14.06 @ 99.89 ( 1999 GT 5 SPD )
162 . Stang4.6GT - 14.07 @ 95.81 ( 2000 GT 5 SPD - 5800 FEET )
163 . 99GrandTouring - 14.08 @ 97.73 ( 1999 GT 5 SPD )
164 . Black2VGT - 14.10 @ 99.00 ( 1996 GT AUTO - HS )

I skipped through alot just to let you know.

Mustang with afew bolt ons? Bah thats what the guy with the IMPORT KILLER mustang said.. Ohh I run a 12.5 1/4 mile. And got HAWKED by a stock turboed clipse with heavy ass 18's. I rarely loose to gt's and the few I lost to were a 2003 svt and modified 5.0.

Look at this vid
12 Second Bolt on Stang

Naturally Aspirated with 259.9 RWHP/293.8RWTQ. Best time of 12.47 @ 108.56.
Mods: Bullitt Intake, K&N, MAC longtube headers, VRS Offroad X pipe, Dynomax Bullets with turndowns, Steeda Pulleys, FRPP 4.30's, Steeda Timing Adjuster

Thats all he has for power mods. His main power is in his driving skills and suspension set up... not to mention sticky tires .

And Id like to see a S/C for a mustang gt run 3k. If it does it probably came from a junk yard.

GT Supercharger Look at it. Funny thing is that theyre both under $3000.

You say you can get into the 12's or 11's with no back up support with just a S/C and bolt ons.. thats gunna run you a few more greens than 3k and I can prove it.

Theres a Procharger blowned 02 GT that ran an 11.97 @ 114 mph with stock motor, headers, and 373 gears. This was with the 8 psi kit. Even though it might not be $3k, its no more than $4200. Remember, good driving doesnt have a price.

On the other hand. Dsm's are all mostly modded the same. DSM $9,000 for a nice mid mileage 99 gsx compared to 20k+ gt.

Youre comparing prices of a New car to a used car... uhhh
If thats the case I can find a 99 GT for under $14000. As a matter of fact, look at what I found. Link Its a 99 35th Anniversary GT thats under $10k. Since its that cheap, can you say Turbo? Look below for more details.

Ok dsm stage 1 mods cost at a MAXIMUM $3000. Thats a big 16g ported and clipped, fuel pump, injectors, intake, exhaust, I/C pipes, FMIC, clutch. And NO YOUR MUSTANG CANT GET ALL THESE FOR NEARLY as much, so dont say it can.

Im going to assume that its an upgrade kit. I would hope its not that price for a Mustang considering they dont come with Forced Induction from the factory

And do you know what the 1/4 mile for the stage 1 is for a gsx? a poor driver can get into the low 12's and with a good one 11's. Its proven, just reply to this with shit talking and ill make this another ownage thread and give you plenty of links and cars.

Take a look at this link... Turbo link... Its not the cheapest but look at the horsepower numbers. Thats a 10 second and lower Mustang. It may be pricey but considering you can find a 99+ GT for under 12500, and even a 96-98 GT for under $8k, it wont really make a difference if youre looking for speed. And guess what?!?! It will be under $20k!
Just FYI, theres cheaper turbo kits, mainly PTK and Turbolocity, and a new company thats making Turbos competitive with SCs.

Just for shits and giggles try ExtremeMotorsports.com. They are the dsm specialists here where I live and have street cars with 140,000 miles running 10's and 11's. Now I have NEVER seen a 10 sec mustang take a ride to the grocery market or cruise the city, there all trailor queens.

Just because you havent seen them doesnt mean they dont exist. Off the top of my head I can think of Jim Fitzgeralds automatic GT that runs mid 10s in the 1/4mi and is daily driven. Another one is J. Vaccaros low 10 sec auto GT, sees the street also. Theres also Bobby Bakhtiaris 9 sec TKO vert by X2C, and plenty more.
Just for S&G, as you put it, check out this link... X2C Motorsports, 9 sec 00 Mustang. Its a full STREET car and currently holds the 5spd MPH record. Theres also a vid there.

And just 2 saturdays ago I was eating at IHOP with and 11 sec and 10 sec talon and eclipse gsx.

Whats your point with that statement? I could say the same thing about some Mustangs here.

Thats all I got to say.. Wait no it aint. Also there is a HKS build spyder with 19 inch chromes running low 12's and ill take carrrnuttt next time to prove it. Put up numbers or shut up.. Just trying to prove a point and not trying to flame or bash to bad. Thanks and peace and goodnight.

Theres plenty of fast cars, does it mean anything? No. I know of a 9 sec Fox here in DFW thats from a local forum, but why brag about it?

[DkShadow]

Originally Posted by fatninja19

Dkshadow, is that timeslip from a stock v6 mustang??? You never specified. So I assume it's not. A buddy of mine has a 99 v6 stang thats a 5spd, and has intake and exhaust and some 18's... I raced him in my Mom's 01 v6 4dr. loaded accord(all stock btw.. well of course the stolen honda sign). Now, the accord is supposed to run about 16 flats.... And I pull on my buddy every time.. Not too hard.. but I pull. I know my bud doesn't beat his car, but he is a competent driver. So it's hard to believe that a stock v6 stang can be anywhere near a 15.1 1/4 mile pass.
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-97 v6 mustang
-JVC KD-S590 sytem
-Bazooka Speakers
-35% platinum Tint
-p&p upper and lower
-Shorty Headers
-Mac CAI
-UnderDrive Pullies
-Billet Shifter
-Flowmasters

Not that much going for it but the P&P. Shorty headers do crap for a n/a car. That is all his mods. Theres also an 01 V6 auto vert that I know of that ran a low 15s bone stock. Im guessing it was ideal conditions with perfect weather.

Dont get me wrong, im not saying theyre quick Ive personally slaughtered one from a roll and a stop. I felt bad for him afterwards

[DkShadow]

Originally Posted by Layla's Keeper

I disapprove of stock Mustang GT's in anything above autocross. There are two different theories at work here. Two different philosophies. Ignoring them only tends to lead to embarrassment and a thinning wallet.

What would make you say that? Autocrossing isnt the end all be all of handling. I would go as far as to say that a GT can be made to outhandle a Vette and higher priced sports cars. Ever heard of a Steeda? Roush? Even Saleen? Theyre no slouch when it comes to handling. And thats with the Live-Axle, lets see what the Cobra could do with its IRS.

[DkShadow]

Originally Posted by GTStang

So your saying any person who buys a Mustang is not a real Tuner???

Didnt ya know? Only Japanese cars can be called tuner cars

2nd Most aftermarket availabilty behind Honda.... Why don't you try 3rd cause #1 is easily 5.0 Mustangs

Exactly

You spent $20,000 on your car total to run what??? I spent about 14,000 on my total to run low 11's and high 10's with more track time. So with less money it would be you posting death by GTStang.

Originally Posted by SpyderEclipseGst

And my car say as of now is a 15.0 sec car, give and take alittle(with stocks and more psi itll vary alittle.

All that doesn't matter, bottom line is you bought what you bought cause it's what you like. I bought what I bought cause it's what I Like. But saying some1 isn't a real tuner cause they bought a Stang....

Again, exactly.

[-The Stig-]

At this point...


Honestly?


In this day and age of wanna be racers due to recent hollywood projects, driving skill has to be the deciding factor in 90% of the street/track racing with 'street' cars. Rarely is a car so well tuned or so well equipted that it can make up for its drivers lack of skill.

Thus, Stock for Stock... a GT Mustang can lose to a RSX Type S. If one driver was better than the other.


This arguement about the DSM's vs Mustangs isn't going to end anytime soon...

Coming from a Chevy fans stand point, Both cars are slow. Why? Minimal LS1 in them.

[DkShadow]

Originally Posted by RedNeck383

At this point...


Honestly?


In this day and age of wanna be racers due to recent hollywood projects, driving skill has to be the deciding factor in 90% of the street/track racing with 'street' cars. Rarely is a car so well tuned or so well equipted that it can make up for its drivers lack of skill.

Thus, Stock for Stock... a GT Mustang can lose to a RSX Type S. If one driver was better than the other.


This arguement about the DSM's vs Mustangs isn't going to end anytime soon...

Coming from a Chevy fans stand point, Both cars are slow. Why? Minimal LS1 in them.

Teh Mustang Can Nevar Loose!!

























Now with that im going to