Auto design question

[drunken monkey]

eh?
who's pissed off?

your profile says you're 18 unless of course, you lied when you signed up.

if you can't think of more to write about then that is because you don't know enough the thing you are supposed to be writing about.
At degree level, i had to write two 5000 word essays.
At diploma level, i had one 12,000 word essay.

if all you can manage is a short thing then i'd wager that it isn't that good.

and if you don't like teachers telling you to write stuff, then you sure as hell aren't going to like design tutors telling you that your design is shit.

[S13 drifter]

Hey like I said my friend made me a profile a while back, and you're sounding really pissed off to me or at least you sound like you're trying to piss me off. Well dude have some respect here alright I can write a long paper but I think it brings down your level of writing if you have to write about the same thing and if your writing doesn't suffer it's probably because you used the original topic to go off onto a different topic. For instance, I had to write a character sketch about Captain Ahab from Moby Dick. I could have writin unlimited pages on him if It had sounded like Captain Ahab was an insane man and insanity is a problem that affects roughly 1 out of every 5000 americans. So that is what I mean.
Oh and by the way I asked people to help not hate. All people have said except for like the first two replies is "your ignorant your ignorant" sounding like freakin Michael Jackson. So if everybody could just chill out and not get so offended I'd like to take the opportunity to say that I'm not being ignorant, because I never said I am unwilling to learn english and go to a university, I just dont like it very much. An ignorant person is someone who is unwilling to learn, and tell me again what did I make this post for? TO LEARN.
You guys would make horrible teachers.
P.S.-Alot of my other teachers didn't particularly like english when they were studying either.

[drunken monkey]

as far as I can see, people have been telling you what it takes to get an automotive design course and you have been repeating the same thing about english.
the one who is not listening (or reading as the case is), is you.

so how old are you then?

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by S13 drifter

I'm sorry my friend made me this profile a while back, I never checked

You might want to have a look, because it also lists your phone number.
Don't trust your friends.

[S13 drifter]

16 and I'm just researching it and God knows I'm tired of talking about the "e" word. Who isn't listening by the way I know what people have said I've researched it and people just keep being hostel at me cuz I don't like to write. I'm willing to learn I asked what I need to get accepted into a post-grad school and you seem to be the one not listening. If I got to take that class which I will not mention again in this forum I will in order to get where I want I was wondering if a automotive degree from a trade school would cut it. So if your going to criticise and not answer my question just forget whatever you're about to post. I'd appreciate an answer and constructive criticism if ur gonna give me some respect while you do it. Not say you're ignorant because you don't like writing. Does that sound like respect to you? It doesn't to me. Also remember if your next post doesn't answer my question don't post a thing cuz it's gettin annoying how many senseless circles this has gone in. Plus we're obviously both pretty strong willed and it would keep going on forever. I'm chill here as long as you stop insulting my intelligence.

[S13 drifter]

By the way, I can write alot see.

[S13 drifter]

Dude! You freaked the crap outta me w/ that phone number thing you liar. lol

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by S13 drifter

Hey, I'm like in awe of how hard it is find things out about this industry so if someone could provide me w/ a link or something i really want to know what sort of training is required to get start a career in the auto design field, and where to get it.
thank ya mucho

that is your original post.
so far, i have posted things that go towards telling you what is the recommended route and what to expect and how it might clash with what you like/don't like.

if you are seeing it as insulting it is probably because I cam trying to keep it short and simple for ease of conversation and as such, it will seem curt and perhaps abrasive.
Did I say you were ignorant?
No.
Have I been dispectful?
No.
have i answered your original question?
Yes.
Stop playing up as if you are a victim.

Now for your new question.
You are 16 and wish to get into automotive design.
as pointed out, in the UK, there are a few Automotive Design courses at Degree level, not only at MA level. In the UK, going on to do a degree means that you should have previously completed your A-level of equivilant study (ages 17-18, in order to help you understand). In the US, I believe that equates to what you call college. If you don't get that far, it is unlikely that any University will accept you, especially for such a specialised course.

In the UK, at A-level (college) you choose 3-4 subjects that relate to your interests. In this case, I expect the choices would be maths (maybe both pure and mechanics), physics, Art/Design or Design/technology. In the UK, you don't have to study any other classes apart from those that you choose.
As I asked before, do you have any drawings of yours to show us what you can do now?

From what I gather, in the US, there is a core group of subjects that you have to attend aside from your choices, yes?
If that is the case, then well, tough doodoos, it looks like you will have to do them if you want to do an Automotive Design course at degree level. The MA (post graduate) course isn't an option for you.

In short.
at 16, you need to go to college, concerntrating on maths, physics and art/design.
then depending on how you do you might stand a chance at getting into a university for an Automotive Design Degree.
the Post Grad courses are usually for those who really want to go far after having worked for a few years already developing their professional portfolio.

of course, if you had already done research, you would know this already.



finally, there is a phone number in the profile details, that the mods can see, which was filled out when the account was first signed up.

[Moppie]

Post graduate courses vary a lot between universitys and the type of course. You will need to find a couple your interested in to get a rough idea of the sort of degree you need in order to get into one. Then look at doing a degree in that subject, you will only have to worry about what to major in in your second year, and its usualy not to hard to change it in your third year.
As your only 16 you need only get a rough idea now, but the time your 2nd or 3rd year at uni (which is short for university) what ever post grade course you find now will have likely changed at least a little.

The term technical college is not one Im familar with, but if its anything like a technical institute, or polytech as they used to be called, then be wary about doing a degree with them and expecting to get into a post grad degree in a university.
The thing to remember is they are ALL different, and ALL teach to different standards and so have different entrace requirments.


Wether you like writing or not, if you want to study at a tertiary level (university/college/technical institue/trade school etc) then you will have to do lots of it.
There is simply no way around it, and in egineering there will be lots of it.

Fortunalty Iv seen written work by architecture students that was hardly above the level of the average 15 year old, altough I don't know how well they do in the real world, and its pretty obvious they were not taught any literacy skills. But they were third year students, and I know most of them graduated.

Being able to express yourself in a written format is VERY important in the real world, even in design and engineering.
I deal with engineers on a regular basis, if one of them wrote me a proposal, or a quote, or technical diagram with the sort of language you have used in this thread they would not be getting the contract. Regardless of how good they are. If they can't comunicate proffesionaly, then I can't trust them to behave proffesionaly.

In a lot of Tertiary courses you will learn language skills indirectly, but in the more technical courses then its important to learn other subjects as well in order to broadern your education and awareness of the world, and to improve your language skills.
There is no requirment to take English lit, or other language papers, but doing the odd economics or philosophy paper at first year, and even 2nd year will go along way to making you wiser, and better able to present your self to a potential employer, and then your work to a customer.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by Moppie

Fortunalty Iv seen written work by architecture students that was hardly above the level of the average 15 year old

i think i should be offended by this, if only it weren't so true....
by the same token though, the students who do well, tend to be the ones who have the better grasp of the language.

back when i was doing my GCSE's i couldn't for the life of me figure out the usefulness of having to perform speaches and presentations or having to study the language of advertising. I also couldn't see the point of studying about social and cultural issues in history. At university (i did maths, physics and art/design at a level) it occured to me in hindsight, that the english and histroy and the skills that they taught me were more useful than my a-levels in terms of my (ahem) architectural studies.

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

..... of my (ahem) architectural studies.

Its alright mate, we all make mistakes.

[S13 drifter]

Well it's alittle hard to research this topic i mean not the most popular and I was trying to get my answer as to what I need for a post grad study and thx for answering me. But for reals you were insulting my intelligence and saying i was close minded and that i didn't want it bad enough. Didn't apprieciate it.

P.S.- how do u close a forum this is like the fastest grown forum on the entire site lol. I bet I'm in the top ten hottest threads on here.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by S13 drifter

I was trying to get my answer as to what I need for a post grad study

ok.
i regret ever mentioning the post grad course.
I only mentioned that because it was the first thing that came to mind as I was looking into it and it was in my area.
YOU don't need to look at this because

i) you haven't even gotten into college yet so you won't need to look at something that is 2 steps away and at least 5-6 years in the future.
ii) there are under graduate courses in automotive design as well.

and don't give any rubbish about this being a hard subject to research; just googling Automotive Design Courses i pulled up every course that is available in universities in the UK. Even if you don't get any courses near you you will still be able to find out the prefered subjects and prefered route to get onto these courses.

Originally Posted by S13 drifter

P.S.- how do u close a forum this is like the fastest grown forum on the entire site lol. I bet I'm in the top ten hottest threads on here.

mods have the power to close/lock threads.
and no, this isn't the fastest growing thread so don't get any illusions of grandeur over this.

[GreyGoose006]

look, the way you are going to need to do this if you want to get into auto design is, like i said earlier, to go to a UNIVERSITY, or COLLEGE (i avoided that uni college thing that seems to be so confusing to you) and get a degree in mechanical engineering, automotive engineering, or a tech version of either one. once you have started on this this, try getting an internship over the summers while you are still in school. that way you will gain experience, and learn more about the field. you can get a BS from most places in 4 years. if u want u can get a masters, but it isnt necessary (especially if u hate writing). with any luck, a degree and 4 years experience, u should b able 2 land a job.
joining clubs helps too...
like i said, i am in SAE, which is good b/c they will write recomendations 4 u.

sorry bout my typing but i broke my arm and left hand last nite...
hard 2 type.

[S13 drifter]

I thought getting a masters in auto design is required to go into auto design. I mean if i don't get a masters in that then all I have is a degree in automotive engineering, which isn't exactly auto design. So I was also wondering if i got my bachelors in auto enginering were u saying that i could get an internship w/ people at a design facility? Also, if I did that then could that get me into a design job as well?