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12-08-2003, 12:00 AM | #106 | |
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Re: z06 vs modena
I'm not sure whether it was the engine or cg, but I believe it was the cg. They do have a machine to test that... For double decker busses in england they test the bus' cg fully loaded on the top only and empty with a machine that tests rotational inertia vs weight to determine where the cg sits so that it doesn't flip.
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12-08-2003, 03:45 AM | #107 | ||
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People in this forum need to either read the entire post, or read more carefully. I never ragged on the 360, and I do not "worship" any car.
What I did was point out an issue that the engineers on both these vehicles had to face, and a design "disadvantage" of mid engine/rear drive cars. Also, I pointed out that Ferrari IMO does a better than average job, and that IMO Ford has done an even better job. Finally, I mentioned that I preferred the GT to the Modena, but I also mentioned that the Modena was a great car. I hope this clarifys things adequately. Quote:
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Once again, respectfully, I am simply repeating what Ferrari themselves said in the past. Within the car itself the engine sits, relatively speaking, high within a mid-engined car. Please note that this takes into account how high the actual car itself is as well. If you care to do the research, then you will see this is one of the reasons Ferrari gave for ditching the boxer style engine as it is was forced to sit even higher within the car due to it's greater width. I did not "Assume" anything. The Modena and the earlier 348/355 overcame a lot of these problems by switching to a V design engine rather than the boxer's used by the Ferrari mid engine cars that were it's immediate predecessors. |
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Please explain why the GT/GT40's powertrain layout is better, or different for that matter. |
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12-08-2003, 01:59 PM | #113 | ||
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For Deakins. It has been said more than once that compared to the Modena the GT is very calm and settled in the way it handles. This is notable because it was also pointed out that this is in contrast to that famous "twitchy" feel mid engine Ferrari's have due to what we have been discussing.
I hate to rely on an article, but this isn't a GTO And, considering I have heard this stated more than once by men whose opinion I respect I am willing to accept it. I would argue that I exaggerated the point as I clearly pointed out that the Modena was much better than previous Ferrari's, and only suffered from a mild case of "nerves". As to what Ford did to Make the GT feel so "calm" compared to the Modena or other mid engine cars like it I cannot say. Nobody I am aware of has ever asked Ford how they approached that issue. The reason I am so impressed by Ford SVT's apparent ability to overcome this issue is that the GT uses a larger and taller engine design than the Modena, which should accomplish the opposite of what was done with the GT's handling. For Nismo, put quickly and simply, the Modena overcame some, even most, of the obstacles but not all as alluded to above. It is an awesome car that undoubtedly does everything quite well, but this is an issue every mid engine design faces. Yes, it is much better than previous mid engined Farrari's in this respedct, and IMO better than average. I am not slamming any chassis design, I was simply pointing out that every chassis design has it's drawbacks...all of them. Occasionally, they are dealt with so well they are no longer noticeable as in the new GT. But, that does not mean that the engineers don't have to figure out how to overcome them in the first place.. Also, some people do like this "nervous" feel even though it is never going to help track times. (Not that there is anything wrong with the Ferrari's track times) Ferrari may even consider it something of a character trait of their mid engine cars by now. |
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well obviously there isnt enough of that issue, or even close to it, for the 360 to have that problem. from what ive read, its one of best performing midengined cars out there capable of achieving 1.50+g. if it even had the slightest bit of this problem, then they would of addressed it in almost every article, but its not even close, so they never say anything about it. i see what you re saying about the traits of midengined cars, but thats what almost all enthusiasts know about. i know that there are undesireable traits to midengined cars, but the 360 has one of the least undisired traits.
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12-09-2003, 01:22 PM | #116 | |
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Umm.... 1.50G?? Are you kidding me Nismo? Try .96G. Still respectable, but a z06 (04 gets .99g) and srt10 (1.15g) get higher. But then again skidpad isn't everything as far as handling. But if you're going to compare it by skidpad there are many better, but does have one of the best skidpads ratings ferrari's ever gotten
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12-09-2003, 06:07 PM | #118 | ||
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12-10-2003, 08:20 PM | #119 | |
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We are comparing:
Ferrari VS GM hahahhahahahahahahahaah......lol
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