2003 Mustang Cobra vs S2000

[mynismo]

Originally posted by jg2072
i have to honestly say as a 2003 cobra owner that this is one of the greatest cars i have ever driven. With a few mods, new exhuast, x-pipe, and a supercharger pulley swap, my car is pumping out near 500 hp. This car is absolutelt incredible. And all this for less than $36,000. this my friends can not be beat.

i got something that would kill it
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6396

all for around $22,000. i think it runs 9's on street tires.



edit: here's the dyno slip. keep in mind this is 2600 lbs.

[Unit 5302]

Since I've been the owner of an 87GT and an 88GT, my friend had an 87 LX 5.0, and another friend had an 87GT with T Tops, I've seen my fare share of races with the 5.0s. For what it's worth, we were all very lightly modded. Like K&N and a catback in most cases as there was simply no need to add more to whoop up on most unsuspecting opponents. I have never had an IROC, even with the TPI 305 come even close to giving me a run. It was an annihilation every time. My 87GT with 161k, and an ultra tall 2.95:1 first with the 2.73s in back killed my 02GT by 3 cars from 0-80, and pulled it on the freeway. Now I'm the first one to admit the 87-88 SD cars are stronger than the MAF cars, but my 02 is no slouch. It took my friend's 87 T-Top in a race pretty good out of the hole, and then pulled it on the freeway a little too. The T-Top car has 280,000 miles btw, and 140,000 on the rebuild.

Bottom line my kills on the street with my 87 include

3 LS1s: 1 SS vert, 1 WS6 hard top, 1 Z28 (Z28 from street start, WS6 from a stop, SS on the highway)
1 LT1: Z28 hard top
1 3000GTVR4
2 Grand Nationals
2 Fox Mustang 5.0s
1 70 340 Cuda with heads/intake/cam/carb/gears/drag radials that the owner thought would do 10s
1 69 Charger with a built 383 (barely, though his crappy auto/tall gears made him easy killing from a stop )
1 93 FZR 600 (the bike's mine now, heh)

Good driving means just about everything on the street, and quite frankly with the nearest tracks (3 all about the same distance) all being 200 miles away charging anywhere from $80-140 to run so long as an event isn't scheduled, it's pretty tough for me to justify track running here.

That being said, my friends have also killed 96-98 Modular Cobra's, TPI 305 and 350 Camaro's, LT-1 Vette's, 3000GT's. My T-Top friend got beat by an LS1 by 1 car from 0-100mph. I've only been beaten 1 time in my 87. Against an LT-1 Vette in AZ. Scenario wasn't too good for me, but I still lost.

With minor mods the fox Mustang 5.0s can be killers, but in all honesty, I see way more people getting owned in their 5.0 or running 15's and they are just unable to break into the 14s. I have no idea why this is. :grey:

[DeViL]

3 LS1s:
1 SS vert,
1 WS6 hard top,
1 Z28 (Z28 from street start, WS6 from a stop, SS on the highway)
1 3000GTVR4
2 Grand Nationals

With just a few minor things like a catback exhaust and you beat all these cars? How exactly did you do that? Missing a gear is one thing but Grand Nationals are automatic, it ain't hard to just mash the gas down to the floor and go. Thats quite an accomplishment.

[Cbass]

The Ford Windsor 5.0 is a strong motor, and just a little work can get alot of power out of them. Still, as V8s go, it's kinda small

With nitrous or forced induction, the 5.0 is a very powerful motor though... Billy Glidden runs mid 7 seconds 1/4s consistenly in his nitrous powered 5.0 based Mustang, and that's on a 10" tire.

[Unit 5302]

The Grand National isn't some monster in bone stock form. Could be I ran across a couple stockers which more than likely would have been in the low 14s.

Turn up the boost, and get some exhaust on them, and they should have left me, though.

As far as the SS, it was a vert, the WS6 I killed off the line, and the Z28, well, just drove him probably.

Saying my 5.0 would have taken LS1s car vs car is ridiculous. I just can't see any way for it to do it. The fastest 5.0 like mine out there might have run 102mph through the traps. It simply didn't have the power to beat the LS1s. Doesn't mean I don't drive better or in the case if it killing my 02 GT, maybe there was a little work done to the heads I didn't know about or something. It's been a theory for a while that my "freak" 87 might have been the receipient of a little hidden help, lol. It was custom ordered with power window/lock/mirro/remote trunk release delete options.... strange...

[V8Terror]

Originally posted by Self
I'm just trying to figure out how it can have an estimated time of 12.2 with 360 hp and a curb weight of 3600+ lbs...I mean the Corvette Z06 with 405hp is hard to drive to anything better than a 12.4. I mean there's more to a quick time than weight and hp, so I know it's possible, I'm just wondering...

WHAT?!?!?! The Cobra is mid 12's 390 hp (underrated) with a six speed, an LSD, and 3.55's.

How does a 240hp S2K run a 13.2.... Last I heard they couldnt even break into the 13's....

[BlkCamaroSS]

Originally posted by V8Terror


WHAT?!?!?! The Cobra is mid 12's 390 hp (underrated) with a six speed, an LSD, and 3.55's.

How does a 240hp S2K run a 13.2.... Last I heard they couldnt even break into the 13's....

Most don't. You have to constantly work with those finicky S2000's to get them to hook right for a low time. Most daily drivers on the street will never see a 13.2 run...

[Self]

Originally posted by V8Terror


WHAT?!?!?! The Cobra is mid 12's 390 hp (underrated) with a six speed, an LSD, and 3.55's.

How does a 240hp S2K run a 13.2.... Last I heard they couldnt even break into the 13's....

Who said anything about a 13.2??? They run a solid 14.2, definitely never seen a low 13 from a stock or near stock S2k. And I have yet to see an 03 Cobra run anything better than a 12.88. Which is fast, but definitely not Z06 territory in the least
Oh, and I SERIOUSLY doubt that 390hp is underrated. Why do you think it is? The traps and times don't say it's underrated at all, from what I've seen.

[V8Terror]

Originally posted by Self


Who said anything about a 13.2??? They run a solid 14.2, definitely never seen a low 13 from a stock or near stock S2k. And I have yet to see an 03 Cobra run anything better than a 12.88. Which is fast, but definitely not Z06 territory in the least
Oh, and I SERIOUSLY doubt that 390hp is underrated. Why do you think it is? The traps and times don't say it's underrated at all, from what I've seen.

The 390 hp is underrated... Just look at the Dyno numbers. Let not forget that this Cobra wieghs over 3600 lbs. That explains why Z06's with similiar power numbers are running faster.

I haven't seen a cobra put down less that 340Rwhp... There are a couple that have put down OVER 370. Needless to say teh average numbers are between 340-370 RWHP. Just take a trip over to www.SVTperformance.com , We'll be happy to show you slips/dyno's/vids of PLENTY of Cobras going faster than 12.88... Hell MM&FF ran a 12.5 in theirs.

And the 13.2 was quoted from someone else in the thread... Which is impossible.

[V8Terror]

Oh yeah. THere are some guys with STOCK Z06's running in the 11's.

But let me ask you this. How easy do you think it is to get 500hp in a z06? How much will you spend? Now, how much do you think it will take for an 03 Cobra to get to that same power number? You dont even have to replace internals for it on the cobra. It is silly how many guys are running 425-275 RWHP on simple, simple, simple, bolt-ons!

Have fun!

[DeViL]

THere are some guys with STOCK Z06's running in the 11's.

Yeah I've seen that posted on a corvette website before as well, and I don't believe it at all. When I think stock I think right from the dealership nothing removed or changed (including exhaust cat-backs and headers) from the car with the exception of the spare tire. But then again other people have different definitions of stock, like stock engine but everything else is stripped down or modified. I have yet to see much proof of these Z06's making it into 11's either.

How easy do you think it is to get 500hp in a z06? How much will you spend? Now, how much do you think it will take for an 03 Cobra to get to that same power number

Flat out its most likely going to cost less with the Cobra. From what I saw in the Camaro SS vs 03 Cobra that Muscle Mustang & Fast Fords ran a 12.8 or .7 with the 03 Cobra not a 12.5. Thing is though regardless of how easy its going to be for you to get power out of that Cobra people are still going to have to dump a lot of cash into the car to make it a drag vehicle.

I've never really believed that underrated stuff either, even a lot of F-body owners claim their new cars are underrated. I just think its a lot of hype and fanatic bs from Ford and Chevy owners.

[fatninja19]

Originally posted by DeViL

I've never really believed that underrated stuff either, even a lot of F-body owners claim their new cars are underrated. I just think its a lot of hype and fanatic bs from Ford and Chevy owners.

perhaps people are lieing about their mods of their cars, but I've seen many dyno graphs of 03 cobra's as well as LS1 F-bodies proving that thier advertised HP is underrated.

[03cobrarocks]

man Im tired of all this bull shit like the corvette is so much better than a cobra the stock cobra and stock corvette tie in the quarter mile and from everyone i have heard the cobra is faster in 0 to 60. I mean the cobra deserves way more credit then people give it. I got 415 rwhp just from cat back and mid pipe and i can take any corvette from 2002 and down im not tryin to start any fights but im tired of this shit the cobra cant touch the corvette thats such bull. i mean the corvette has way more status but were i live the cobra is way more exclusive.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

the Cobra isn't a bad car its just no match for a Z06 corvette.