5 cars you hate the most

[Jimster]

Every Diamante owner I know ended up selling it and promising never to buy another Mitsubishi again, hence why the Mitsubishi 380 is selling so badly in the Antipodean Isles, hence why it's the end of the line for Mitsubishis Adelaide plant (Which is sad, that same plant pumped out many a Valiant ). When a family car is unable to tow a boat without melting its' transmission, then it's a bad car. Hate is a strong word and I don't "hate" most of these cars, that's something for a more personal level, I just hold the justified opinion that it's a bad car and it'd be stupid to buy one where there are cars available that DO the intended job.

The Samara was the worst Eastern Bloc car, EVER. You see at the very least the old Lada 2014/Riva/God knows what other names it picked up on the way, were based on a tried and true platform (The Fiat 124), the Samara was just based on what Lada could find lying around, the build quality was so bad that when they first were launched in Australia, the Importer was forced to spend $2000 getting them up to the standard of the most non-discerning buyer, this is why they're a rarer sight than the Ladas of old.

I've seen too many Samuris/Holden Drovers tipped over to pretty much conclude that while they're tough, they are dangerous, I'd have much sooner bought a 10 year old 70 series Landcruiser if I were back in the 80's.

[drunken monkey]

is it me or are you guys actually arguing over the mis-use of the word "hate" instead of the dislike for some cars?

[Jimster]

BAN! I mean errrrr...... That's SORT of my point there and it SEEMED to be Chris' point.

[drunken monkey]

so... really, the reality is, no one actually hates a car, they only say they do.
doesn't that then mean that this discussion is largely redundent because no one actually hates any car?

[Jimster]

Yes, but you have to learn to translate what the average American 13-25 year old male says into terms that us of British Empire extraction can understand, e.g Hate = the world wouldn't exactly be worse off without them

[Zeiss]

1. Pontiac, Grand prix/am
2. Ford, Mustang
3. Chevy, Camaro
4. Honda, all of them
5. Saturn, all of them

[Chris V]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

so... really, the reality is, no one actually hates a car, they only say they do.
doesn't that then mean that this discussion is largely redundent because no one actually hates any car?

my point is, why is it so important to run around complaining about someone else's choice in cars, insulting those cars and by extention, the owner for choosing it? Why is it so importnat to defend acting that way, and why is it so importnat to actively act againsat trying to be more open minded and appreciative of all genres and types of cars?

Which is a better human trait, that should be lauded and supported?

Trom the standpoint of a person who likes some cars, it IS a pain to be diring one, enjoying your day, and have some idiot think he's being funny by insulting it and calling it crap because HE would rather own something else. This is supposed to be a hobby, something you do for enjoyment. Me owning or building what I like don't negatively impact you, but you deciding it's important to insult that which I like does negatively impact me, and makes the hobby less enjoyable.

It's about spreading a culture of tactlessness and intolerance vs promoting open mindedness and appreciation for the variety. This isn't about being PC, either. That's a separate subject.

[drunken monkey]

so people aren't allowed to express their views of cars in a negative manner because it might indirectly offend you but you are allowed to directly call them ignorant and an idiot?

[bigfo0tz]

lets see!

1. ricer civic
2. ricer integra
3. ricer camry
4. ricer corrolla
5. Any other riced out car there is

[JLad10687]

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[2JUMPMAN3]

1. Hyundai (fake honda)
2. Ford all of them except the mustang
3. Dodge all of them
4. Scion
5. Saturn

[sickcallawayc12]

1. Dodge/Plymouth Neon
2. Any Hummer that isn't an H1
3. Any Ford except the mustang
4. Mitsubishi Eclipse
5. Dodge/Plymouth Neon

[pimprolla112]

WTF, just because someone hates something doesnt mean its an invalid point, hate is an emotion, not a primal form of fear and aggression. And ignorance is not a way to point out the fact that people as a whole are going to have emotions. Whether you have emotions of love hate fear or anger doesnt make you ingorant. If your statements are true then the fear of war is an opinion and not actual fear. Just because someones opinion isnt based on fact of your own account, or hasent been validated doesnt mean it makes them ignorant. Its the same reason peopla have the emotion of love, once again if your statements are true then love being an emotion not based on any fact makes someone who loves an ignorant person. Il agree with most of what you say as the fact that why cant anyone get the hate for man or machine out of there emotions, but emotions arent just emotions there also what makes someones personality. Your also basing your entire philosophy on the fact that car enthusiast dont hate or love cars of there own, just because a true car enthusiast doesnt like a mustang or a honda, doesnt mean that they dont appreciate the fact that these cars are what made the car industry what it is today. People will never get over basic human emotions.

Now that i got that out. I dont really hate to many cars, but there are ones that piss me off mainly due to the fact that these cars are the main platform for why everyone despises ricers. Granted most cars can be riced these same cars can be made into street legal sleepers. finishing with this not all cars are created equal.

[6speed]

eh, it was just to start some convo and find out a general opinion of some cars that are disliked by the general population here. i think the car itself might not be what affects my decision on what i picked but more the general drivers of the car, their attitude in my area, and maybe some drivers of a certain car in the past. i have found 95% of the volkswagen drivers in my area that are into the tuner scene believe that any car other than a german one is not worth 1/18th of the price paid. when the srt4 came out the 9 or 10 of them deemed themselves untouchable and would mock whatever challenger came their way and usually back out of a race anyway. the camaro i dont particularly 'hate' i have a few friends with them and i would particularly like the car if it wasnt for every one that comes across me in my mustang feels the need to try to make it seem like my car is inferior

[mason_RsX]

Originally Posted by Chris V

my point is, why is it so important to run around complaining about someone else's choice in cars, insulting those cars and by extention, the owner for choosing it? Why is it so importnat to defend acting that way, and why is it so importnat to actively act againsat trying to be more open minded and appreciative of all genres and types of cars?

Which is a better human trait, that should be lauded and supported?

Trom the standpoint of a person who likes some cars, it IS a pain to be diring one, enjoying your day, and have some idiot think he's being funny by insulting it and calling it crap because HE would rather own something else. This is supposed to be a hobby, something you do for enjoyment. Me owning or building what I like don't negatively impact you, but you deciding it's important to insult that which I like does negatively impact me, and makes the hobby less enjoyable.

It's about spreading a culture of tactlessness and intolerance vs promoting open mindedness and appreciation for the variety. This isn't about being PC, either. That's a separate subject.

Oh shut up!


theres no particular order

- Ford Explorer...It really created the "soccer mom" mentality where fuel effecient minivans were not fashionable, and these massive gas guzzling, vheicles that were anything but practical became the fashionable product. It made Ford dependent on them so when oil concerns came about, and sales plummeted Ford really took a hit

- Toyota Camry...Only because the marketing campaign in Canada really touted (and still brag about) the performance, and sporty feel of the Camry....Its about as sporty as your oven, and feels just as much like an appliance

- Hummer H2 and H3... Very similar reasons as the explorer. with the added trait that people actually SHOULD take these off-road but they don't...Don't pretend your an off-roader, if you were you would have bought a TJ

- Honda Prelude... Their ugly, butt ugly and every kid in me neighbourhood has one customized

- BMW 318 (In north America)....I understanding having a 318 in Europe....but in North America you bought a bimmer to show off to everybody you have a bimmer. buy a 325 or a 330, and ACTUALLY own a bimmer

and 6_speed....YOU ARE MY HERO! You own the cars that I dream of having in about 5 years!