Fujiwara 86

Cbass · 09-27-2002, 05:49 PM

I am thinking of building a replican of the Initial D 86. I think I will probably use FA power, or just a modified 20V.

I have a few questions though, what sort of wheels do they use in Initial D? Also, what sort of revs/power can you get out of a production 20V?

nemo_wolf · 09-30-2002, 08:34 PM

no offense or nothing but thats way played out ...

its been done so many times its not even funny ... and dont think in my area, from coast to coast its been done.

RedRider · 10-01-2002, 01:41 PM

I've seen one done in a Super Street magazine issue like a year or so ago. The guy is from Colorado and he takes it "canyon-driving" accoding to the interview done.

Spr1nter86 · 10-02-2002, 02:51 PM

i didn't realize that it was played out... too bad. there's a guy in colorado?

carrcarr · 10-05-2002, 03:22 AM

panasports....i'd use the 2 peice....good shizz
-ryan-

Spr1nter86 · 10-05-2002, 11:58 AM

actually, they are rs watanabes. panasport copied that wheel style.

carrcarr · 10-05-2002, 06:35 PM

that would be my bad, thanks for not being an a$$hole about it...im new to the whole thing
-ryan-

Spr1nter86 · 10-06-2002, 01:09 PM

sorry. i didn't mean it an ashhole way. i guess it just came out that way on accident.

carrcarr · 10-06-2002, 03:05 PM

you were'nt, nor did you, its cool
-ryan-

RollaCoupe · 10-08-2002, 04:16 AM

DReeeeeeeeeeeamerrrrrrr

thinking of using FA power huh? to put it in terms you'll understand I'll use initialD as an example. When the 20v is first fitted takumi thinks that it is slow and harder to drive when under 8000rpm. This slow-down at lower rpms would be much more pronounced and more obvious with a FA engine as they are a much revvier unit than a TRD20v and have extremely lightweight internals. Serious alterations and some de-tuning would be needed to physically make the engine fit and make it driveable.

A modified 20v is more realistic option and it would look more authentic as the fujiwara 86 does not seem to use a full-race engine anyway. ( it doesn't have the TRD throttles )

I don't know why I'm even posting this if you don't know what those rims are!

Cbass · 10-22-2002, 06:24 AM

Thanks for the info... looking at the costs of the FA engine, that sort of puts it out of my budget

As for making it streetable, it's not that tricky... go with a milder camshaft, a heavier flywheel, and back off the ignition...

I had no idea this has really been done before! With the 20V engine and everything? My neighbour has an 86, and he only wants $2K for it... Everything is spotless, and it's mechanically sound.

I always wondered what a watanabe looked like, I've heard them mentioned many times

nemo_wolf · 10-22-2002, 12:57 PM

the price varies from area to area ... but it sounds about right. are you getting a coupe or a hatch!?

balmo · 10-25-2002, 10:17 PM

make sure its a gt-s.

if its an sr5, its a rip off

turbos86 · 10-26-2002, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spr1nter86
actually, they are rs watanabes. panasport copied that wheel style.

WRONG

The 8 spoke banana peel design orginate from the original Mini Cooper. The design was "used" by many companies and RS Watanabes got their ideas by "looking" at Panasport.

turbos86 · 10-26-2002, 04:35 PM

SR5 are not bad, just that it has a different engine and other misc parts being different.
If you're going to change the engine to a 20V 4AG, getting a cheaper SR5 would do no harm. What's a FA engine? 1st gen RX-7?

Putting an engine into a car that didn't originally come with is not child's play. This is written by Moto-P, webmaster of Club4AG:

Here's another advice. Long overdue...

If you are NOT planning to do the swap yourself, aside from heavy mechanical work like use of lifts and hydraulic equipment, here's something you may want to consider.

First of all, I know you are all eager to have that SR20 or 20V in your AE86... I know the new cars are hunting you down with more power.

BUT, here's the thing, if you can't read electric wire diagrams and you have no idea how an oiling or cooling system is laid out on your car, how are you going to diagnose it? I'd like to point out to you that MOST local mechanics and NO dealership will touch a car that's been modified with another non-native motor. Second, most tuning shops that will diagnose it for you will charge by the HOUR at maximum rate and will not guarantee their work (even if they performed the swap originally)

Now, each swap is a very custom job and it's far from a bolt-in job like those of Honda DC's, EG's and EK's where the B16 and B18 are native motors in respective countries. The 20V is natively a front drive motor in a car that has a generation gap of more than 10 years. Almost all electrical and peripheral devices must be fabricated and fitted by custom craftsman (yourself).

If you had the engine mounted in the car already, and you want to do electrical and water lines yourself, that's fine... But if you have no idea with not any intention to learn, you might want to forego the idea. As another person's custom job may and often will, end up in a car that may work fine but will have no reference to diagnosis.
You would not have a clue what got left out, where he put each wire, and how he tapped things he needed for the engine from the car.

Many people call for help among peers here... But however much they all want to help, if the car was done by someone else, there's no way of making description of what needs to be fixed. They don't even know what it looks like and what's missing or what's done wrong in the first place by a phone conversation or e-mail.
This is not a discouraging post to those who want to do one. Just that you must learn and understand the project as a whole so that you can do most of it yourself, and be ready to diagnose problems you have on your own.

Therefore getting the engine is NOT the first thing you should do.
Buying all the electrical diagrams needed, all service manuals for the motor, learning how to read the diagrams and learning how to use tools in diagnosis. Learning what is required of the new install, and what needs to be modified.

Doing all this ahead of the project, you will save time, MONEY, and you'll get a learning experience that you never thought will know. Club4AG is a place for learning yes, but I do also want people who are knowledgeable assisting those in need... Try not to post questions that are on a service manual. Go buy a manual... It will save hours of headache for you and the answers will be more accurate and ready at hand.

Am I making sense? Good Luck to you all who endeavor on projects on your own... It's the best way to be a true Club4AGer.

Wrench AWAY folks!

Moto-P

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