rolla reving @ 11000rpm?

[nemo_wolf]

yea i think me and a friend estimated the low cost to be something like 20-25k. personally i think i would rather buy a brand new car for that, then just buy an engine for an old one. and thats the low end, depending on how much it would actually cost with shipping and what not it would probly be cheaper to buy a BMW from germany and have it ported over here.

[dutchboy]

i want to get my hands on one of bmw's formula one engines...

19000rpm redline!!!!!!!!!!!

heres an article i found on how it works....
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/021002.htm

[turbos86]

I guess no one has ever heard about this car

The Iida Akira Group A 20V equiped AE86 Levin. Yes, it's streetable. For those who don't know Iida Akira, he's a GT500 driver in JGTC.
Here's more info about the Levin.
http://www.twelve100.com/faq%20and%2...%20project.htm

[Lafora]

right.

and WHERE are you gonna get the internals on THAT car?

[Cbass]

That man gets my undying respect.

[aqwabawks]

What is the different in cost between the formula atlantic 4AG and the GroupA 20valve one?

I too have seen the Initial D TRD engine, it's mentioned once as being a race car engine from an AE101.

I was reading about a port that was made from an AE101 (or AE111) to an AE86 on club4ag.com and I glanced on the specs of these two engines (max pwer is about 165 hp at 7800 rpm with torque 16.5 kg/cm at 5600 rpm) is this the same engine as the one from Initial D or is there a way to make it rev up to 11000 rpm?

[Lafora]

FA 16V 4AG cost anywhere from 9000 to 25000 USD.

9k is a used one, 25k is a new one, built by Holmgren.

remove the rev limiter, and you'll get it up to 11k rpm

[Cbass]

Another option is the F20 from the S2000, it makes 247 hp in japanese spec, and they go for about $6K-$7K with tranny... I've seen one here somewhere...

[aqwabawks]

Are you referring to removing the rev limited on the AE101 20 V engine or the TRD racing type engine?

What are the specs like on the AE101/111 engine? Is it as good as the TRD one? How much does one go for and the modifications needed to make it work in an 86?

[Lafora]

you oculd get a 20V in a 86 working with about 3 gees i think. 4 would be for sure.

[Cbass]

Ouch, I could have a Ford 5.0 V8 in a Series 2 RX7 for less than that, and that includes the car

[Moppie]

Originally posted by Lafora
you oculd get a 20V in a 86 working with about 3 gees i think. 4 would be for sure.

Thats bloody expesive.
I could buy an AE86, and a freash rebuilt enigne and get it it installed for less than that. Plus a coat of paint and some rust removal.

In NZ$:
1,000 for the engine.
3-4,000 for a clean tidy AE86
1,000 for installation (mounts odd bits and pieces etc)

thats only about 3 all up in US$.

Double that and you have custom suspension, roll cage and a race ready car. (seats, harness, wheels tyres, etc etc)




The 20Vavle 4age from the AE101 and AE111 is rated by Toyota at 160-165ps depending on year. (157-162ish hp)
Unforunatly its a very exagerated number.
Dyno tests here in NZ, give a number closer to 150hp at the crank.
And the cars performance is somewhat lacking when compared to SiR Civics (which actualy have 160-170hp and similar weight), Iv personaly walked on several of them.



It has little advantage over the 16valve when it comes to tuning.
Infact the only advantage I can think of is an improved torque curve.
The 16valve engine will make just as peak much hp and torque, is cheaper to get parts for, parts are more common, and there is a wider variety of suppliers to choose from.
There is more knowledge amonst engine builders and tuners on how to build them, and signifcantly more experiance doing it.
And you don't have to fiddle around with finding and aftermarket ECU that will run variable cam timeing and 5th valve engement, and spend time tuning it.
And of course you have to be useing the car in application where the increased midrange torque will be usefull. Either rallying, or as a weekend race car, and weekday road car. On a circut the extra midrange would rarly be used to any advantage.

[aqwabawks]

So I take it that the engine from the AE101 itself does not rev to anywhere near 11, 000 rpm?

It would have to be modified to get up to the earlier mentioned 200-250 hp with 11, 000 rpm?

Would it be cheaper to purchase the original AE101 4A-GE engine and then have it modified?

[racerf1]

http://www.todaracing.com/images/eng...yota_4ag_b.jpg

[peter i]

I jump in to this page from yahoo search engine... Btw Hi evryone

I found everything about this engine , the picture a real story ...

ENjoy ! The $100,000 dream of a GT500 driver...

While all of this was taking place, Iida landed on his engine of choice… a Group A spec, TRD 4A-GE 20V, definitely NOT available to the general public… This 255hp power plant from group A racing field features non-VVTi cam gears with re-worked internals allowing race-tuned versions to rev to 11,000 rpm. The engine is also full dry sump, external feed oiling system. Iida took home the head and hand sanded all ports, and combustion chamber to mirror shine. He claims he took over a month to finish the polishing. The 3 angle valve adjustment was done on a Yasuda precision mill, which is accurate to 3 microns, as was the camshaft bearing bores. For those of you unfamiliar, it’s the same process that Toyota used for engines that went into the TS020 which dominated the GT1 LM class last 2 years at Le Mans, and probably also for Juan Montoya’s CART champ car’s engine, this year!…