The S7 1000 TT Competiton is here! All records will be broken!

[drunken monkey]

general shape; i'm not disputing that.
Mid-engined cars in general share a similar internal layout/packaging.
however, I'm talking about certain details on the car being very similar to those on the F1.
front+rear profiles are distinctly F1 like.
the front 3/4 is very F1.
scoop on the roof.
the slashes on the front wings/arches
rear 3/4 (aprt from being longer).

an Enzo dosen't look like a Carrera GT which doesn't loom like a Zonda which doesn't loom like an XJ220 which doesn't look like a Murcielago which doesn't look like a Veryon which doesn't look like an EB110.

in terms of non production cars that went near or topped 240-250mph.
the MB C111 concept doesn't look like any of these and nor does the VW Nardo.

road-legal is a specific rule-set that pertains to road safety to drivers and pedestrians. The various road versions of the GT1 cars are all road legal and look exactly the same as the race versions. The Ultima GTR and various Radicals all are LMP shaped cars and are all road legal.

[Dyno247365]

That radical is a cool car. I'm saying that the S7 and 917 are closer to eachother because they're enclosed 2 seaters, unlike the Mclaren F1 which has a front center seat and a back seat (or 2 seats in the back). It also has close to the same rear end and the way the rear sticks out from the car, unlike a mclaren where it's very close to the rear wheels. So to me the S7 looks like an evolved 917.

You're thinking way too much into this monkey.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

front+rear profiles are distinctly F1 like.
scoop on the roof.

If you have a mid-engine and you don't have a roof scoop the only other logical place is the sides which create more resistance (ex. murceilago) The center is the optimum place for air flow and cooling, That's basically saying any supercar that has a diffuser is a one-off...

[Dyno247365]

So that's a diffuser...learn something new everyday.

Getting back to the thread, I love this car. It's a 750hp supercar that sounds american. What more can I ask for? The only problem is it branched from Ford. I have mixed feelings about that.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by Dyno247365

So that's a diffuser...learn something new everyday.

Getting back to the thread, I love this car. It's a 750hp supercar that sounds american. What more can I ask for? The only problem is it branched from Ford. I have mixed feelings about that.

Only two parts are ford on the S7, The mirror motors an the block of the V8 itself.

A diffuser is this badboy ~
The part on the bottom that looks like a tray.

[Dyno247365]

OHHH...I friggin knew that but forgot. The first place i ever saw a diffuser was on a concept new viper, back when the 1st generation was still being made. It was probably on the cover of motor trend.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by Dyno247365

You're thinking way too much into this monkey.

nope, i just like to hear people explain the things they say.
it makes me feel better knowing that people don't just randomly say things without any prior thought or knowledge of the subject that is being discussed.

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

If you have a mid-engine and you don't have a roof scoop the only other logical place is the sides which create more resistance (ex. murceilago) The center is the optimum place for air flow and cooling, That's basically saying any supercar that has a diffuser is a one-off...

not quite.
the F1 has the scoop on the roof to feed the engine directly and feed the engine only; it serves no cooling purpose. It also worked into the passenger safety cell of the chassis and thus adds minimal weight whilst adding to the structural integrity by ways of the folds/shaping in the material.
on the S7 however, the air that goes into the scoop is feed around to the sides to where the turbos are sited thus, there is "excess" pipework and hence weight added to the S7 by it having the scoop on the roof. The you also have to take into account that the S7 already has scoops/intakes on the side of the car.

it's little details like this around the packaging of the car that makes the F1 stand above most cars out there.
With the F1, the packaging of the car was first and foremost and everything else was designed around it. With most other cars the design, whilst based around the packaging, also plays a little too much on aesthetics. Now i'm not saying that aesthetics wasn't important to the F1, just that if it didn't make sense to the overall pacakaging of the car, it wasn't done.

[Live4speed]

Originally Posted by Dyno247365

OHHH...I friggin knew that but forgot. The first place i ever saw a diffuser was on a concept new viper, back when the 1st generation was still being made. It was probably on the cover of motor trend.

That'll be the GTS-R concept back in I think 2000, I've seen plenty fo cars with diffusers before and after then. The diffuser on the TVR Speed 12 GTS car was huge, but then the whole car was huge, I actually got up close and personal to that.

With regards to the S7 TT competition it's certainly a more than capable car imo, I'm not a huge fan of the looks but looks are subjective. It won't break any top speed records, too much drag from that wing, it's go faster without it. Also I don't think the car is geared to go much over 220mph. Look at the McLaren F1, the production model was the fastest in top speed, it had very low drag, no rear wing it was supposedly a handfull at high speeds as a result.

The F1 LM had more power, but also more downforce and more drag, even with the same gear ratio's there's no way it would touch 240mph, not without a hell of alot more power anyway, now the LM wasn't meant to go faster, if it was they did everything wrong, instead it was meant to be a road legal version of the F1 GTR. It was meant to be quicker on a track and if you were in your faster F1 and decided to race someone at some generice track in their F1 LM and for arguments sake you both were just as competent as each other you would lose. not that that really matters, I mean how many people actually drive that fast in their many hundered thousand pound supercars anyway. One thing I would say, frmo reading drunk monkey's posts he seems to be quite knowledgable on the matter, he knows what he's talking about and hasn't contradicted himsef once in this thread. Personally I don't see this S7 beating any records, it won't beat a veyron to 60 or to 200mph, it won't go as fast top speed, it may well lap a track faster, that is something it should do but that's not to say it will start setting track records.

[drunken monkey]

incidentally, according to one interview/article, Gordon Murray says that the maths shows that the Mclaren F1 only needs 750BHP to beat the top speed record.

but then again, it's no longer a production car so that means what?
Never could figure out why they only look at it terms of "in production". Oh yeah, misguided bragging rights.

[ultranet]

cool collections...
nice video

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

incidentally, according to one interview/article, Gordon Murray says that the maths shows that the Mclaren F1 only needs 750BHP to beat the top speed record.

but then again, it's no longer a production car so that means what?
Never could figure out why they only look at it terms of "in production". Oh yeah, misguided bragging rights.

Do mods usually bring up dead threads? lol

Okay let's just forget in production and say street legal road cars. Could the MClaren F1 have modifications to make 750hp or is the engine maxed out right now? It's all motor so of course it could have something done to it.

In terms of production, meaning they came stock from factory at were rated at that horsepower, what's the fastest car? is it still the Veyron, or did the CCX take over? This SaleenTT ??

[jcsaleen]

It's anybodys game now that forced induction was thrown into the supercar catagory. The S7 1000-TT seems to be the best due to power and weight. The CCX is only good for 806 but weighs 300lbs less then the S7. The veyron i'd count last due to it's excessive curb weight even though it has almost 200 hp more then the CCX.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by Dyno247365

Do mods usually bring up dead threads? lol

who brought up a dead thread?

[Dyno247365]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

who brought up a dead thread?

damn, nevermind.

Monkey, what's your favorite supercar of all time and why?

[BlackGT2000]

The way I look at it, its amazing that you could add so much power to a car and still maintain its balance. Anyone can make a powerful supercar because price and practicality are no option. Maybe other supercars could be modified to have more power and maybe they can't. Its just rare that the modification is isolated only to the motor.