Cruising with a Mac

[TheStang00]

did you know theres companies out there right now experimenting with 300/400ghz processors right now. air cooled....

i dont have any links to it or specifics. my brother and dad who work in the AFRL (Air Force Research Labs) were talkin about it yesterday.

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

did you know theres companies out there right now experimenting with 300/400ghz processors right now. air cooled....

i dont have any links to it or specifics. my brother and dad who work in the AFRL (Air Force Research Labs) were talkin about it yesterday.

Yes nothing new stories like this are almost daily things on slashdot. However those proccesors are hardly anything more than a few proof of concept generic designs meant to show off working prototypes of some new transistor design or such.

They are nothing in complexity compared to a modern Conroe/San Diego core use use in PCs. Most of those designs never even make it to production phase since they start failing once you apply them to real world architectural designs.
Also as even Intel had to admit MHz can mean little nowadays.

Trust me what we get now its the best of what it can be produced to function reliably. The military does not have anything better, all they have is specific implementations. Such as emt resistant parts, custom software and for massive computing power they just use huge clusters of cpus be it opterosn/xeons or power pc architectures.



That is not to say the some of the design ideeas from those 400 GHZ procs won't make it into a unit many years from now, its just simply not worth getting too worked over.


PS. Sorry to sounds cynical but this is what you get from experience. For the forseeable future the CPU clocks will continue to climb much slower. That is not to say they will not continue to advance at the same rate through architectural advancements, however for now the MHz clock race is effectivelly over. Its las hero was the long pipeline netburst architecture which was just killed by intel. All hail the new core:conroe

[CBFryman]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

Are you refering to little square thing in the middle of the cpu packaging? If yes that is the cpu core and its the only part that needs to contact the heatsink. It also requires only a small "grain of rice" sized thermal paste. The rest of the cpu must not have any thermal paste touching it since some versions of it are electrically conductive.


Same goes for theCPUs with a built in heat spreader and a much bigger contact patch. still all you need is a small "grain of rice" dab of paste right above the core.

yes that is what i am talking about, and a dot that big will spread out when installed.

However, i have seen dots maybe the size of a half of a dime AFTER it has been installed.

We where working on a computer that kept freezing up even when we where just hunting around in the bios. we tried chilling the sink and all and it still kept locking up, we then remove the CPU to replace it. We saw what a small contact patch it had, cleaned it and applied a larger ammount, and reinstalled it. That fixed the problem.

[TheStang00]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

Yes nothing new stories like this are almost daily things on slashdot. However those proccesors are hardly anything more than a few proof of concept generic designs meant to show off working prototypes of some new transistor design or such.

They are nothing in complexity compared to a modern Conroe/San Diego core use use in PCs. Most of those designs never even make it to production phase since they start failing once you apply them to real world architectural designs.
Also as even Intel had to admit MHz can mean little nowadays.

Trust me what we get now its the best of what it can be produced to function reliably. The military does not have anything better, all they have is specific implementations. Such as emt resistant parts, custom software and for massive computing power they just use huge clusters of cpus be it opterosn/xeons or power pc architectures.



That is not to say the some of the design ideeas from those 400 GHZ procs won't make it into a unit many years from now, its just simply not worth getting too worked over.


PS. Sorry to sounds cynical but this is what you get from experience. For the forseeable future the CPU clocks will continue to climb much slower. That is not to say they will not continue to advance at the same rate through architectural advancements, however for now the MHz clock race is effectivelly over. Its las hero was the long pipeline netburst architecture which was just killed by intel. All hail the new core:conroe

well obviously the technology cant be used now or it would be. guess i should have clarified. however i bet within the next 4 years processors will be atleast this fast. they actually have liquid cooled processors approaching one terrahert also.

[CassiesMan]

All I know is that Vista lets you do stuff that I've only seen in movies, so I want it, lol.

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by TheStang00

well obviously the technology cant be used now or it would be. guess i should have clarified. however i bet within the next 4 years processors will be atleast this fast. they actually have liquid cooled processors approaching one terrahert also.

No they won't be. As i said, this is a fact: the clock race is over for the near future, they will still climb slowly but its doubtfull we'll even see 10 GHZ in 4 years let alone 400.

You don't belive me look at AMD or Intel road maps. The architectural focus is on numbers of instructions per cycle and paralellism.

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

All I know is that Vista lets you do stuff that I've only seen in movies, so I want it, lol.

if you have a god system grab vista and join us in the vista beta 2 thread.


CBFryman we all know you cannot be ever wrong so i will not waste my time arguing.

[CBFryman]

I dont know what your problem is. Im telling you what solved problems. I only sort of kind of work in a shop that does nothing but computer sales and service for business and government agencies.

Of course what Ive observed makes no different in the PC god's mind

Im not saying apply it like butter to a fat man's biscut... im saying the correct ammount makes the differnce. Too little and you WILL have overheating problems.

[Chiquae07]

basically im running my computer into the ground. i have 3200+ amd. rated at 2.2 ghz. i am currently running it at 2.8. i changed the mulitplier to like 12.5x instead of 10x and increased the voltage. basically im runnning my cpu at like 120F constant. i wonder what its at now? too bad i dont have the azus utility. i have a really olda azus motherboard and stuff. just cant wait till this runs into the ground. get a new motherboard, cpu, graphics card, and start all over again.....

i wonder hmmm.....too many ideas, but most wont help the computer at all.

anyone know of a really great motherboard that should be really good the the future with ddr2 slots and w/e kind of graphics cards they are going to advance in? ex agp, pci express, that stuff...and ill prob go amd since they are soo ez to overclock. any ideas? this would be a hard core computer. probly about in the range of maybe 1200 max. that is w/e the monitor, keyboard, all that stuff. just the case.

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

if you have a god system grab vista and join us in the vista beta 2 thread.

God system?

I'm slightly more computer litterate than your average user, so you have to use small computer words with me. Oh, and the Toshiba that my school wants me to buy, after the discount, still costs $2300. It has a folding screen that you can write on.

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Chiquae07

basically im running my computer into the ground. i have 3200+ amd. rated at 2.2 ghz. i am currently running it at 2.8. i changed the mulitplier to like 12.5x instead of 10x and increased the voltage. basically im runnning my cpu at like 120F constant. i wonder what its at now? too bad i dont have the azus utility. i have a really olda azus motherboard and stuff. just cant wait till this runs into the ground. get a new motherboard, cpu, graphics card, and start all over again.....

i wonder hmmm.....too many ideas, but most wont help the computer at all.

anyone know of a really great motherboard that should be really good the the future with ddr2 slots and w/e kind of graphics cards they are going to advance in? ex agp, pci express, that stuff...and ill prob go amd since they are soo ez to overclock. any ideas? this would be a hard core computer. probly about in the range of maybe 1200 max. that is w/e the monitor, keyboard, all that stuff. just the case.

Auch 120F i a bit on the hot side, i woud lower the OC a bit IMO or see if you can still run stable at that freq with a lower voltage core. Ofcourse I personally don't like to run my systems into the ground before i get a new one just because I like recycling them into new uses. You can make a cheap linux box, a NAS etc...(if you don't care about this then burn away, just keep an eye out for data degradation so you won't loose any important info)


BTW quick question were you lucky enough to get your cpu with an unlocked multiplier or did you do the L1 bridge trick?

As far as getting a new system 1200 just for the box can get you some fun stuff unless you get something like dual 7900GTXs.

Anyway on the 23rd or so Intel will put out the conroe and as much as it pains me to say it, AMD will be behind at least till Dec when the 65nm revG core comes out if not till they update the architecture to the K8L cores early 2007.

So right now to easily stay in the budget you can get a new 2.4 GHz conroe paired with something like a 7900GT a nice raptor on a nice intel or aftermarket board.

of course since the Core 2 is coming out AMD is rumored to slash prices a lot ~50%. So a good dual core AMd would prove a very good budget option.

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

God system?

I'm slightly more computer litterate than your average user, so you have to use small computer words with me. Oh, and the Toshiba that my school wants me to buy, after the discount, still costs $2300. It has a folding screen that you can write on.

Yes the God system. You have to worship it at least twice a day and offer it a mac a month for sacrifice. Ofcourse it could be that i missed an "o" and mean "good"

Anyway i hate when schools force you to blow so much money on a system like that when for around 1000 you can still get a very good dualcore Core (sounds retarded doesn'it stinking Intel and their names) laptop. At least the tablet functionality should prove fairly useful.

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

I dont know what your problem is. Im telling you what solved problems. I only sort of kind of work in a shop that does nothing but computer sales and service for business and government agencies.

Kid how many times I have to tell you. You think you know far more that you do. Your posts have clearly showed your lack of experience regardless of where you work.

Take this for example:

Originally Posted by CBFryman

CPU cooling? though i wouldnt think you would need it on a 2.8 Pentium 4 (im geussing that is what you have) they to make water cooling systems. Basically have an exterior resivior and it works like a radiator or a liquid intercooler.

Are you even vaguely aware that for the past several years (yes years) the Intel P4s Prescott cores have been considered the joke of the industry due to how HOT they run? Their nickname was Preshotts. Due to this bad design Intel had to eat humble pie while watching AMD take more and more of both desktop and server market. Its quite interesting you missed all this while you work in a computer shop, oh wait you "only sort of kind of work" there guess that explains it.

And you actually claim that a 2.8 P4 should not be that hot?

PS. I just love how you got to the conclusion he is running a P4 2.8 when he quite clearly stated he is running an AMD and his cooling issues are due to an OC.

[CBFryman]

Should not be hot enough for a water cooling system...read it in context.

so all ive got to say is derkader and get off your power trip

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

Should not be hot enough for a water cooling system...read it in context.

so all ive got to say is derkader and get off your power trip

Pardon? you crapped all over this thread with your incompetence, I've corrected you and all you gave me is BS. And now you are telling me to get off my power trip.

See ya in a week. I highly recomend to use this period to revize your arogant atitude.

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by Neutrino

Yes the God system. You have to worship it at least twice a day and offer it a mac a month for sacrifice. Ofcourse it could be that i missed an "o" and mean "good"

Anyway i hate when schools force you to blow so much money on a system like that when for around 1000 you can still get a very good dualcore Core (sounds retarded doesn'it stinking Intel and their names) laptop. At least the tablet functionality should prove fairly useful.

Yeah, its the whole...well, we don't have to spend our own money on it, so lets find the most expensive thing possible. As soon as I get some cash, and back on my own computer (I'm using my father's for the summer), I'm gonna look into Vista.

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

Yeah, its the whole...well, we don't have to spend our own money on it, so lets find the most expensive thing possible. As soon as I get some cash, and back on my own computer (I'm using my father's for the summer), I'm gonna look into Vista.

quite, btw as i said be careful Vista is far from finished, so don't use it on a vital system such as one needed for schoolwork

Btw one thing I'm significantly more impressed than in vista is Office 2007, the new interface is IMO revolutionary. i just wish they would've taken the same chances with vista's interface.

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Anyway back to the mac discussion here is avery good article from a rather high profile mac user which recently switched to Linux (Ubuntu to be specific):
http://diveintomark.org/archives/200...e-bough-breaks

FYI in case nobody noticed I'm a huge Ubuntu whore, its the best distro in years and IMHO the most promising one. In a few years even Microsoft might feel its power in the desktop space and redhat in the server domain.

Oh and a small pice of trivia Ubuntu is developed by Mark Shuttleworth one of the coolest and smartest guys out there (fist space tourist in human history) and its programed in the Isle of Man so it has Clarkson's seal of aproval.

Inside sources also have informed me The Stig runs on the Ubuntu server kernel. Which clearly explains why he had to be shipped at the Isle of Man as seen in my sig (need to upgrade to the latest kernel 2.6.xxx to asure hardware compatibility with the high tech M6 he drove later on).