hi for all GT-R lovers


i am one of NISSAN SKYLINE LOVERS and i have afriend who love FORD MUSTANG but i want to know which the fastest NISSAN SKYLINE GTR34 or FORD MUSTANG COBRA

thank and keep it up becuse GTR IS THE BEST OS THE BEST

Look up the 1/4 times and you will have your answer.

You truthfully can not compare the two vehicles, since the are not priced the same. $4$ compare it to a roush that is supercharged and then you will have a $4$ and the Stang will win.

But I would still take the GT-R.

Stangs are a little to common, I should know I have one. Peace:)

There is only ONE MUstang that I know exists in Malaysia and it's driven by a lady royalty over here!
Would love to race against a Mustang including yours, SkylineUsa!:D
Having said so I fell in love with Mustang ever since the Bullit days. In fact I think the GTR's looks owe substantially to Mustang. Is it true or is it just my imagination?

You have a few more horsies than I do right now. Let me build up my Boss 302, then we can talk.:D

You know, I see the resemblance of the two cars as well, I though it was my being biased towards Fords, but guess not.:p

Are we racing both cars stock? 'cause if so I'm afraid to say I think the 'stang would get eatin. The GTR just has to much going for it, AWD, great responce time, pretty even acceleration through the gears. I'd say that modded the Stang gets beat too. They are just two different classes of cars:D

$4$ the stang will kill a skyline. 1/4 mile and road course.

Stock for stock you can not compare since there is huge price difference.

Put it this way, a slighly modified GTR will run you $50,000 and you have a car that can handle right around .95 on the skid pad and run the 1/4 mile in low 12 to high 11's.

That same amount in my car, I will have a car that can run over a G on the skid pad, and the 1/4s in the 9's.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Put it this way, a slighly modified GTR will run you $50,000 and you have a car that can handle right around .95 on the skid pad and run the 1/4 mile in low 12 to high 11's.

That same amount in my car, I will have a car that can run over a G on the skid pad, and the 1/4s in the 9's.

Actually, Fifty Thousand US will buy you a brand new R34, Suspension, boost controller, intakes, exhaust, turbos, injectors, and a new fuel pump (and you'll be putting some 600HP to the deck) and 1.05-1.07g's on the pad.

If you said 38 g's....I might go for it.....
but the GTR is still the nicer car:)

Originally posted by Gtr2.7L


Actually, Fifty Thousand US will buy you a brand new R34, Suspension, boost controller, intakes, exhaust, turbos, injectors, and a new fuel pump (and you'll be putting some 600HP to the deck) and 1.05-1.07g's on the pad.

If you said 38 g's....I might go for it.....
but the GTR is still the nicer car:)

Exactialy, and think what you could do for 50k US on an R32! I'm sorry but on a road course the 'Stang gets murdered. There is a reason that the R32 swept the races in NZ when it was introduced there, and that was agianst other race cars. I find it very difficult to beleave that a Mustang could compair with a GTR on a road course. They are two different breeds of car, ask Razorgtst. He has ridden in an R34 V-spec II owned by canman (I think) of SDU, they were taking corners pushing over 1g lateral on street tires. The suspension, ATTESSA, HICAS and a superb powerplant is just to much of a winning combination! Let me dig up some figures and I'll post them in a second.

Thats why they have mustangs in the 6's and skylines in the 7's.

$50k will not get you a R34 here in the states. I was refering to what you can buy in the states, since that is where we were making that comparison, but if you just want to take numbers from anywhere, ya your right.

Oh, where can I get that R34 at:D

I will stick what I said though, $4$ a Mustang will kill a GTR if you compare them in the states.

$50k in a Mustang I would be pushing 900hp and hold well over 1g on the pad, advantage Mustang.

With that being said, I can't wait to sale my Mustang to buy a GTR :D

Sorry being from the UK mustang ain't that common, could someone post the BHP figures and 0-60 and 1/4 mile times so I can see the difference, also anyone got a pic of the said Mustang?

Must admit if its the one I'm thining of that came out a few years ago then it is very nice!:D

Rich look at my sig, I think my 0-60 is right around 4.6, 1/4 in 11.89. My car is not stock by any means, but its also very slow compared to some of the Stangs that run around my small town.

I have a total of 10,000 pounds into my car. I will be shipping it to England in a month, so if you want a ride let me know. If you want to see some pics go www.stangnet.com or www.corral.net there are a lot there.

Oh, I am running right around 400-415 to the rear wheels. with 8lbs of boost

Ok, perhaps there is somthing horrid I am overlooking about the stangs. Please explain to me how a Cobra is going to outhandle and outperform a GTR on a road course?

I'm not trying to be smart ass either :p I just don't know as much about 'stangs as I do about GTRs :D

*Edit*
Oh yea, here are some drag records from Japan. Note these are all done with the same RB26DETT engine, no engine swaps or the like.

On Drag Slicks.

R33 7.614@181.98 mph

On Street Tyres:

R32 8.747@167mph

High Speed Record.

R33 383.8 km/h

Gonthrax,

I am talking about 302s, not some 600cubic inch big block.

Real Cobras are set up for Road Racing, so they can more than keep up with GT-Rs in the corners.

Tell you guys what, when I get to England I will race some Skylines and post the results. Then after I smoke'm, I sale the Stang and buy a Skyline :p

Skyline USA when u come over to England there is a very famous drag strip (Famous to Europe) called Santa Pod, so for a legal burn on a 1/4 mile strip can be had for less than $20.

Sure there will be someone who will take up the challenge, very impressive the SVT Mustang, remember reading about it when it 1st came out, very nice looking car and not a slow beast like most us ppl think of when we think of the so called yank tanks over here, no offence.;)

Thanks for the info I'll be sure 2 take u up on your offer of a ride in it!:D

Yank Tank, that's funny.My car weighs a little over 3000lbs, so it weighs a little less than the R32.

I will cange out my suspension when I start road racing over there. Right now its set up 1/4s. After I install some Koni Yellows in he back with some decent springs I should be OK against the Beast from the East.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Gonthrax,

I am talking about 302s, not some 600cubic inch big block.

Real Cobras are set up for Road Racing, so they can more than keep up with GT-Rs in the corners.

Tell you guys what, when I get to England I will race some Skylines and post the results. Then after I smoke'm, I sale the Stang and buy a Skyline :p

Wow, I guess I'm in 'stang denial :D I never knew the SVTs were THAT bad :eek:

The aftermarket for Mustangs are awesome to say th least. Thats why I will always say $4$ you can not beat a Stang.

It's time for something new, that is why I want GTR.

Hey Sky, after you show the Brits how the rear end of your 'stang look like, would you bring it over here and try doing the same to me?:D

Once I get my Boss 302 tuned up, you got it. :D

With an YS trim, TFS, and a 331 stroker I should be pushing close to 700 at the wheels. Should be pretty fun.

Some of those Brits have their GTR tuned up nicely. Let me see how that goes first.

SkylineUSA, do you have any pics of your car around? I'd love to see it.

I am finishing up some body work right now. My hood flew up on me in the 1/4 and I had to fix the hood along with the cowl. I should be done this week. When its done I will post some pics.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
I am finishing up some body work right now. My hood flew up on me in the 1/4 and I had to fix the hood along with the cowl. I should be done this week. When its done I will post some pics.

:eek: that must have been exciting :D

The old Pucker factor kicked in.

It kinda sucks going over 110 and not seeing a damn thing in front of you, thank god its in a straight line. I just installed hood locks, so that will not happen again.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
The old Pucker factor kicked in.

It kinda sucks going over 110 and not seeing a damn thing in front of you, thank god its in a straight line. I just installed hood locks, so that will not happen again.

:hehehe: Hood locks probly a good idea :p

I've been doing some reading about SVTs and I'm impressed! My only experience with Mustangs has been with GTs and those damn 3.8 liters. The performance curve goes way up after that :) I wish I had a GTR , I'd like to race ya, I think it would be a good race :) You'd probly smoke me seeing as I've never driven a GTR and you've had mucho experience with your stang though ;)

Just remeber theres a lot more GTR's here than there are Mustangs so lots of ppl know how to mod them!:D

Nah but from what I gather its a job and a half to get a Skyline into the US with regards to emissions etc, not as strict in the UK so lots come in from Japan + they have sold the slyline in the UK since late 97. So u would expect a bit more bias!:devil:

Ne ways look forward to seeing ya Mustang over here mate as I'm sure it will be a crowd puller! Saw a 99 camaro the other day, was red and didn't really look that good if I be honest, i little like the early 90's version on the 200sx, u know the one? Ne good?

200sx are ugly, I think you are refering to our 240sx. Very nice car.

As you guys know how to modify the Skyline, I have had only 20 years modifing Mustangs,:D I think I know what to do, to get the edge. Its all in the tuning.

I am not fond of Camaros.

Gotta go do somebody work.

All works in circles doesn't it, maybe u should setup a Mustang import centre? U never know us brits like a bit of flair !

I could imagine it all. Sky in his 'Stang lining up beside me in my GTR. Oh shyte...his 'Stang looks so cool and it sounds fierce, while Sky is thinking, "omigod, look at that GTR, what an awesome car". The palm gets sweaty and both are shitting bricks. Light goes green and the clutch is released..and...nuttin' happen....both engine is dead!:D

That is funny R33. I would be the stalling, just looking in awe at your GTR.

Your car would kill mine, in the Stangs current condition. The wife just gave me permition to dump another $5000 into it when I get to England. So instead of seeing your car a mile a head of me, I could cut it down to 1/2. :p

Yeah...I suppose I would leave u wayyyy behind if u launch in 5th!:D You know what, the ultimate test for any performance car is to let the women drive it!:p My wife hates the GTR...it bounces too much, says she!:rolleyes:
It's good to hear that your credit manager has approved 5k for your car. Mine will never ever approve anything beyond the usual fuel charges!:mad:
Hmm...I can see that blower blowin' man....

Hey, my wife really loves GTR's, maybe if your wife likes Mustangs we could swap cars.

I know the price difference, I'll even through in a set of golf clubs, and some chop sticks.:D

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
200sx are ugly, I think you are refering to our 240sx. Very nice car.

I think he is talking about European 200sx which is their version of Silvia. US spec 200sx is something totally different, more of a mix with Sentra/Sunny and Primera/G20.

And all you guys drooling over a Mustang...:eek: In here you'll see them everywhere you go, they are nothing special, I have driven most of the models. Sorry SkylineUSA, Mustang doesn't come even close to a GT-R, not even the SVT Cobra.

No thy enemy!

Cost wise yes, Skyline cost way more. Read my posts $4$ you can not beat a stang. Hands down. If you think othere wise, you are mistaken.

You are right they are a dime a dozen, but that is why the aftermaket is so good, hence the $4$. High volume, low price. = $4$.

I never mentioned a SVT, I do my own work.

Oh, nice car.

Just remember I have a 1/4 of the money in my car, and I would smoke you.:D

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
I never mentioned a SVT, I do my own work.

I mentioned SVT because that's the closest you'll get for a decent road race car. Moneywise Mustang is a better value in the US if you're looking to get a dragster, I'll give you that. As a complete package, it doesn't come close even if you factor in the money.

I know I come off sounding like an asshole but I'm just giving my honest opinion of the two cars.

Naw, you make a good point. That is why I like Skylines, but I do not make that kind of money to be able to purchase one. I really do like your R32.

I am just talkin' crap with you.

They do make excellent handling kits for stangs, they just are not for drag anymore. I'll keep you guys posted when I run up on some GTR's in Europe. Since the Stang is the All-American Pony car.

The SVT makes very good cars, but I like to turn my own wrench.

I forgot to add, the money factor. I am almost positive I will be able to hold my own to those European GTRs, for half the cost. I will not sugar coat any of the results. If I get my ass kick, you guys will be the first to know, but I think I'll do alright.

Go and smoke 'em Brits Sky!:D

I have to agree with SkylineUSA, as the aftermarket is very friendly to the RUSTANGS:D Don't forget that the Skylines are as popular in Japan as Mustangs are in the States, so the dime-a-dozen factor is subjective. For less than the price of a turbo and fuel system upgrade on a GT-R, you can pick up a Stang and make it run 12s, with not too much effort. I"ve seen it done many times. Of course, I'd rather have a GT-R (hopefully w'in 3 months!)so don't take anything I say the wrong way. As far as domestics, I'd rather have an LS1 Camaro, but I do have to admit the Fox-Body 5.0 'Stangs are great cars for the money. But they can NEVER match the technological prowess of a Skyline GT-R. If I lived in Japan, I'd probably want a Camaro SS since I'd already have a GT-R.:D

Well said medici78,

I work someone that has a LS1, very nice car. Pretty expensive, out the door it was in the area of $33,000. He was looking to do headers, told me it was $700:eek: Not mention that damn damn spark plug that is a pain in the ass to get too.



Funny thing is, he wish he had my car.

nasty ;)

still no word on the salvage one sky
like i said its probably bull.

Hands down the skyline-34 w/ its four wheel drive would out perform a rustang, stock. And most certainly on a road course w/ attessa suspensions and such, instead of a rear wheel, running more torque than it can handle, especially in tighter turns. On the 1/4 the GTR34 has a stock 0-60 in under 4.7 sec, and a quarter at about 11.9 sec average.

The rustang GT, roush edition runs 4.9 seconds 0-60 stock. A quarter-mile sprint in 12.7 seconds. The skidpad performance of 0.96 g to 0.98 g with the standard tires. Premium version, costs $48,975 (According to Autoweek)

Honestly, whats better twin turbo(:p) or supercharged with a 5.4 liter gas gussler. You will get better and more performance from a turbo charger than a super.

If your talkin moded, then there is still no comparison when a skyline 34 in NZ ran over 214 mph, and 1338 horses, stage 4 turbo system and such. If the rustang beat a 214 land speed record (1 1/2 years ago) then show me figs and sites then I will stand corrected, but until that day GTR will remain supreme.

I must say, the skylines in this forum are beautiful mechines. I envy those who drive such a magnificant automobile. Looking at doing a gtr-33 as a project car. Yet, we will probably wait for Jap spec GTR-35s in Spring of 04'.

:D That 87' Rustang wanna 1/4 me with 2.0 bar boost on a 240sx, TT, mounted into a 1990 Acoord. (Will have pictures soon):D :D

You have a mph speed of 148, and your in the 10's, man you really must be slipping. What is your 60ft times? :confused:


11.9 for a stock R34 :confused:

My car has only 9k in it, and it will beat that over priced Roush stang. Let me dump another 40k into my car and see what # I get then.

Are you in England?

Your Accord,

Is your car full interior? Sounds pretty wicked. Post those pics, I would love to see that.

Now sky, does it really take three posts to get the job done :rolleyes:


j/p :p

Anywho, when you do get that 40k into it, I'll fly my ass to England just to see it :eek:

40k in a stang, why bother?:D I could build two cars to run in the 9s with that amount of cash.

Thanks Gonthrax for pointing out to everyone that I should of used the edit option:p

I do not think smitty has this tt acoord:D since he has not replied.

Like I have said before, with a little knowledge, a lot of money you can make any vehical fast, but everything falls back on the laws of physics.

How easy is it to get a Skyline in Europe...or where ever you guys are? I would ABSOLUTLY LOVE to have a Skyline, but it's about 90G to get a GTR V-Spec here in the us. Anyone in Europe, please e-mail me...I have some questions... rmp5s@i-ontheweb.com

I can get a Base GTR '95 R33 for about 19k. What do you want to know?

I assume sense you say 90Gs you are interested in an R34 V-spec. In nz you can get them for about the same price you can in Japan (Perhaps a little more) which is anywere from 30kUSD to 50kUSD depending how hard you look :D Keep in mind that if a car seems to cheap, it was probly raced either on the streets of Japan, or on a drag strip and then sold before somthing could give. Now this is not always the case but it's somthing to check out.

What questions do ya have? Just post um up and i"m sure they will get answered by me or SkyUSA or someone else :)

Just remember that it might take me four or five posts to anwser your question, while Gonthrax will be able to do it in one:D

Dude....you live in Bowling Green. I lived in Union, KY for a while. About 15 min from Cincinnati.

Yea...I found a place that imports Skylines that has a R34 Vspec for over 90G. Someday......

I'm in culinary school, so when I get out, I can go just about anywhere I want...maybe I'll come work there and get me a Skyline. Work for a year or so, then bring it back. Just my first thoughts last night.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Just remember that it might take me four or five posts to anwser your question, while Gonthrax will be able to do it in one:D

Hey, it's all gravy, as long as the question gets answered :D :D


Z: How long have you been in culinary school? I've been in Union a few times, just passing through though, on my way to Cinci :D

Hey Smitty,

Where are those pics?:rolleyes: :D

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Hey Smitty,

Where are those pics?:rolleyes: :D

lol, me thinks Smitty has left us :D :D

Originally posted by popshash
hi for all GT-R lovers


i am one of NISSAN SKYLINE LOVERS and i have afriend who love FORD MUSTANG but i want to know which the fastest NISSAN SKYLINE GTR34 or FORD MUSTANG COBRA

thank and keep it up becuse GTR IS THE BEST OS THE BEST

All depends on the mods...... Probably the Skyline..

Have you ran your car yet, StageOneGalant.

How big is that turbo? What compression are you running? What gears do you run?

Sounds like a pretty fierce ride:)

My turbo goes something like this Stage/Level 3 turbo has a 3" inlet compressor housing and the standard 7cm exhaust housing. it has a 54 trim Garrett wheel and the larger TD06 turbine wheel to decrease exhaust back pressure. this turbo will flow about 690cfm and is rated for 500/550hp.



Jus a run down.. i wanna go more.. but i may kill myself.. thanxs for asking.

Sorry about the absence gentlemen. Had to move:bloated:

SkylineUSA that 148 mph is on 205/17/45 Yokohama paradas

I haven't yet found a slick that is worth the money, any suggestions:D

In my absence I did mean to install a new tranny, custom 425 gear ratio, a Yoshimitsi short throw w/ shift knob:o a new motorex wastegate to match w/ twin blow-off's

I have done some interior work, removed back seat, and gutted it except dash board, two Sparco lightweights, that's pretty much it.

Galant: got any pictures, big fan of ralliart productions.

No I don't have pictures yet, no scanner or digital camera, spent every last penny I had on the accord, failed to make rent so I had to move. Not FUNNY

The worst part of all this my car's upkeep costs less than the old lady and her expensive tastes.

So, basically your just building a 1/4 miler?

Slicks, M/T. Old school, but they work.

I am not trying to flame you, just give you some sound advice. And you are right, its not funny about not making rent. If there is a circumstance about your not making rent, I would understand, but if its based on the fact that your car has consumed you to the point of you not making your rent, you might want to reassess your priorities.

How much do you have in your car?

Are you trying to make a name for yourself? I am guessing this is a business thing for you, and I hope you the best of luck.

Skyline USA, there is about $48,000 in that car not including the cost of the car, which wasn't much, something like $4,500.
The only reason I have put so much money into this car is the fact that I am trying to get a motorsports company to buy the car from me at a price in the lower 100's. I basically took a risk, along with my father.

I do have a steady job, so its not like I am eatin spam or anything like that, its just cars have been a passion my entire life, and money just doesn't seem important to me. I don't want to fool ya, I have recieved most of the parts from companies who want advertising.

I apreaciate the concern Skyline USA, I am lined up with a motorsports company to sponsor me and hopefully give me a spokesperson job.

Gotta Run, SmittyMotorsports:sun:

Got ya, Its very expensive to be different.

Like I said if its a bussiness adventure I wish you the best of luck. Man, you know what I could do with 50k in parts:D

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Got ya, Its very expensive to be different.

Like I said if its a bussiness adventure I wish you the best of luck. Man, you know what I could do with 50k in parts:D

*Thinks*

Mmmmmm:licker: :licker:

Just think about it Sky :D Next time you get bored, just run down what parts you would get and what your projected HP and handeling would be with them. Thats what I do when I'm bored at work, don't we all? ;)


Smitty: Very interesting project you've got there :) I'm interested, what turbos are you using? What kind of electronic setup?

Gonthrax, where's the name from?:rolleyes:

I am boostin with twin T-26B turbos, and a programmable Greedy ECU hooked up to a "borrowed" lap-top, a few gauge toys, boost controller, motorex turbo timer, and stero equipment.

I did get that job, and I am going to be compensated greatly, including parts at 10% below COST. I couldn't believe the chick when she offered me that option or more money.

As a celebration gift I orderd a front mount Blitz double core intercooler w/ three inch piping to match.

I feel like idiot not asking about your cars, gents. What are you guys running with, and such? (Skyline USA, Gonthrax) Got any pictures, like to see them? (wish I had some)

Gentlemen, take it easy, take it fast, and take anything:sun:

Well my sig has my car in its current state. I will post some picks as soon as I get some, I am still unpacking boxes from the move to europe. I will be upgrading my supercharger 15lbs, aftercooler, going with front and rear coilovers, torque arm, panhard bar, new LCAs, programable chip, upgrade fuel delivery, bigger injectors 42lbs, bigger MAS, Tremec TKO, shaving 200lbs, roll cage, new steering rack, Corbeau seats, maybe a custom cam, battle boxes, and I hope to have all this done by the end of the year. This should put the car deep in the 9s and I will only have about 14k into the car. Right now I have about 400hp to the ground I should be in the high 500s when done. I will not run her in the 1/4 anymore, as you know that is hell on a car, I will be going roadracing to go Skyline Hunting:D

Congrates on your job, now get your car to hook up:p

SkylineUSA, what part of Europe did you move to?

Nice place to move to, beautiful woman, beaches, skylines, and all that other good s***.

You talked about Skyline hunting, I bet you could over take them if they haven't very many mods. Road course racing? Are you sponsered yet, or do you just have that kind of money? 15 lbs of boost on a road course will still be murded on you stang, you might think about lowering the boost pressure, or even bore your cyclinders, to handle that much boost for long periods of time.;) Have you upgraded your oil pressure, or do you have a resovoir on hand, for more oil, cause you will burn a significant amount of oil over somany laps. How many laps per race will you be running? What class will you be competing in? Road racing is by far the most exilerating and challenging type of racing there is to date. Don't get me wrong I love haulin' ass down the 1/4 but like you said it is absolute murder on your car. Everytime I take it to the 1/4, I basicly have to rebuild her down to the block and tranny.

Update on the Accord TT: I purchased a set of Rays Eng. 17 inch wheels with Pirelli P-Zero's to match.

:sun: When in Doubt... just fuckin' floor it. Smitty Motorsports

Take care Skyline USA:sun:

You are right about the 15lbs, I'll go with 12, but when I shoot my N2O it should drop to about 10lbs. I am still in the planning stages, since I have not received my stuff yet.

Oil, I am going with a deep sump, windage tray, and oil cooler, It should be OK for the few times I take her out, but if not I have another engine I can build. A stroked 351w '69 block w/ forged internals, that will be a torque monster with a Supercharger and N2O.


Racing is on my dollar(or pound since I am in England) and they have track days were you just go out there and play around full blast.

Next weekend I am going to a dyno run with a bunch of Skylines, I post my numbers when I get back. I know some of the GTRs that will be there will be over 600bhp, BIG BUCKS:eek:


Skyline hunting, I truely mean that in the most respectful way. Hell, they had an EVO putting out 360bhp yesterday on the Rev Bobs Torque Show( Local British Car Show), that is impressive. That car would smoke mine right now, but not when I get done.

Smitty, I posted some pics of my car on the ford, mustang page if you want to check her out.

Keep up the work on the car, and good luck.

I am rethinking that deep into the 9s crap, maybe deep 10s is a lot more realistic:D :p

theres no better car like skyline i dont hate american cars but compare european cars with american cars, or japan cars.Its not that im hating american cars but most of this cars are very bad, ok the american and japan tuning are the greatest but the best car is skyline of these two cars

Everyone has there opinion on this subject, your biased as most people are. I would be damned if I sank my money into a car and turned around and called it a piece of crap. You might think my car is, but I don't. I have the numbers to back it up.

You own a Skyline, so of course you are going to back that car. Another guy drives a Ferrari guess what his opinion going to be. Another guy drives a TT Supra, guess what car he will favore?

If your knowledgable enough to work on cars, you can build any car to beat another, just depends on MONEY. Is my Stang better than your R34, no, but is it faster in the 1/4 probably yes. Would I spend the money for an R34, No. Would I dump that much money into my Stang, No. If we raced and you beat me, would I go back home and do so more mods, Yes. Thats the fun of it. I have a little bit of mechanical knowledge, and I can show it off by racing, and I try to do it as cost effectively as possible, because of limited funds.

Do I wish I had a R34, HELL YES:D

Can we see some pics of your car?

haha excelent stuff tony
KNOW thine enemy lol

Nite,

You can be taught:D

Heyyyyy Sky, how are you man...? And how's the fine English wheather treating you and missus? Can see the BIG plan on your 'Stang....yummy...:) Am sure you will smoke them Skylines in the quarter...and yes, you will also smoke my intercooler...:eek:
I can imagine the Brits' face when they see you and your 'Stang at the dyno...they must be thinking...what the hell about this Yankee! Hahaha...But be careful on the track with the GTRs...they are quick:D It's not my opinion, but that's what they say about GTrs...including mind!!:frog: Take care.

Fine weather and England, there is an oxymoron.

I would have to dump some serious cash into my car to be able to compete with your power, and handleing prowess. I just want to make a respectable Yank tank that can hold its own over here, since most of these people have a missconception about american cars, they only go in straght lines a 1/4 mile at a time. If I have to put more money into my car so be it.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Thats why they have mustangs in the 6's and skylines in the 7's.

$50k will not get you a R34 here in the states. I was refering to what you can buy in the states, since that is where we were making that comparison, but if you just want to take numbers from anywhere, ya your right.

Oh, where can I get that R34 at:D

show me one none sponsored mustang running on gasoline doing 6's please I have never seen one cuz they don't exist period

and I dont know what the pound is going for these days but the late 80's mustangs were the worst period and the lx was the bottom end. Also I don't know if you have done an engine swap but you are not getting 415 hp on an 87 lx engine with 8psi boost

give me 50k and my Rx7 will eat your mustang with a 3 second faster dial in

Sky, I believe with the plan fully implemented, you wud be in position to educate the Brits on what hp is all about!:D BTW, if I remember correctly, you were planning to buy the GTR before. Has that materialised or hv you fallen in love with a second hand M3 while in the UK?:eek:
A little bit of update on my car. Well, it will be exactly one year at the end of this month since the big mods. Nothing has broken yet. What makes me very happy is the fact that the stock gearbox does not exhibit any sign of wearing out despite my monthly track trips and about 1O quarter passes which I did while launching at about 7OOOrpm. The OS Giken twin plate clutch are also still holding on.
The only failure I experienced was the ATESSA which failed to work one day. It lasted only one day...phew...it happened after I parked the car with my left rear tyre on a curb and my mech thought that the computer took time to adjust after that. Anyway it is working perfectly now.
The only real casualty is the AP Racing rotors which hv gone uneven as I suspect they overheated on the track. So I am now looking for a set of new rotors.
I will be retuning my suspensions set up soon as I want to lessen body rolls. Also will install some serious braces. My mech has also indicated that he may be able to improve low end torque without really compromising the high end...so the car will go on the dyno again soon.

R33,

Glad to here that your car is doing well. I thought you were upgrading the tranny. That is one stout piece of machinery if its holding up to that abuse.

Alex,

50k into a RX7, and 50k into my Stang and you give me a 3 sec dial in. And you will beat my stang. :confused: So for 50k your car would be in the 5s, since mine would be in the 8s.

I said 400-415 since it has not been on the dyno. I am going by my 1/4 times.

I can tell by your reply you do not know Mustangs that well.

"show me one none sponsored mustang running on gasoline doing 6's please I have never seen one cuz they don't exist period"

When did I mention they were not sponsered?

I really do not understand how you could ever compare a Skyline vs. a mustang. A Skyline is a work of art. It's engine is incredible. Consider the HP output that comes from such small displacement. American cars have never understood the concept of making the most out the engine they have. In fact the attitude towards their cars are alot like the attitude towards life that Americans have. They take more than they need and waste alot. I am an American and I am proud but I can never say that I would Prefer any american car over a Skyline GTR.

Yeuh ho.


P.S. I did not even mention any of the suspension superiorities that the Skyline GTR has. You shouldn't waste your time comparing a super street car to underachieving waste of money. To be fair to Mustangs I would say that Skylines are in a different class and should be compared to cars that are designed for speed.

Maybe if you would had taking the time to read the whole post, you could form a more educated reply. Rather than just opinion based BS.

By the way my V8 will get better gas mileage than the smaller displacement 2.6, so what does that say? My V8 is more efficient?

Go back and do some reading:finger:

actuall iv seen these two race. and theres a vido of it on some web site but i cant remember the adress. any way it was between an r33 gtr and a new cobra stv, both were modified and were between 600 and 700 hp i think the mustang had like 680 and the skyline had 650 any way the skyline wooped the crap out of it. people say the two cars dont compare but the domestic guys are always talken crap about imports and the top import car beat the top domestic so they have no room to talk!

In what the 1/4? BS......... Road race, yes.....

No Skyline is going to beat a Mustang if the the stang has more power, and they have the Mustang hooking. That is a fact. I dont give a shit if you saw it on a video or not.

There is a point were the front drive system in a Skyline is just dead weight, unless they rig up some contraption to force weight to the front to utilize it. Even if that was the case, you would have more drag on the car, the car would weigh more, and less hp. Nope, not buying it.

Well sorry to butt in on your convo but the front wheels are not engaged at all UNLESS the rear wheels exceed them by 4 mph. So there is no drag on the front just a HELL of a mean ass start that no street mustang can hang with. Sure if you put slicks and dissconnect the sway bar and all that jazz it would be a better race... but im talking street tires to street tires. the mustang would be all smoke.

And you CAN control the amount of torque going to the front wheels with a simple twist of a knob. I thought you guys knew about this?

hey im not trying to start an argument just telling you what happend. you can make your own decision

Who lines for a 1/4 with street tires? Not me, or any of my buddies. :)

Yeah, there is no way a Mustang, tuned can come close to a skyline in a 1/4 mile. All you mustang owners running 9s can not come close to a 10s skyline.:rolleyes: :D

A SKYLINE CAN BEAT A MUSTANG WITH OUT EVEN LIFTING A FINGER PIRIOD. PEOPLE WHO DONT KNOW WHAT THERE TALKEN ABOUT NEED TO SIT DOWN, SHUT THE HELL UP AND LISTEN AND LEARN. LIKE SKYLINE USA WHO DOESNT EVEN OWN OR KNOW SOME ONE WHO OWNES A SKYLINE. HE DOESNT HAVE A MUSTNG. HE HAS A 16 SECOND STOCK 87 LX AND DOESNT HAVE 50 FRIENDS WITH 8 SECOND MUSTANGS AND YES SKYLINE USA I AM A RICH PUNK KID:flipa: YOU NEED TO DO MORE OF THIS:bandit: SO ULL SHUT UP

ACTUALLY HE HAS AN 87 LX IF YOU CAN EVEN CALL IT A REAL MUSTANG AND CAN GET YOUR STORY STARIT?

Without lifting a finger? Man, I have been working on Mustangs before your dumbass was born. I have lifted a finger to work on cars, not like your rich dumbass would ever know what a pickle fork, or a crows foot was. Oh wait, that would get your rich little hands dirty if you worked on a car, know you would want to do that, you might learn something. And we all know learning is bad. So, why dont you get back to your Playstaion, X-Box, or Game Cube so you can get in touch with reality.

Rich kid my ass. Tell your parents you need a brain, I don't think they'll have enough money to fix the fucked up one you have.

SORRY BUT OVEOUSLY WE ALL CANT RELATE TO YOU BECAUSE WE ALL CAND BE RED NECKS AND DRIVE OLD CHEVY TRUCKS AND DRIVE 80'S 5.0 MUSTANGE AND LX'S. AND I REALLY CANT RELATE TO EATING COWS FEET OR PICKLEING CUCUMBER ON THE FARM. AND SORRY BUT HERE IN CALI WE DONT HAVE A LOCAL CHAPTER OF THE KKK LIKE YOU DO IN YOUR HOME TOWN. HERE IN CALI WE ARE DOWN TO EARTH PEOPLE WHO PROMOTE DIVERSITY AND I CANT RELATE TO YOUR ALL MIGHTY RED NECK POWER. AND NO I DONT HAVE SERVENTS OR ANY THING LIKE YOU SEE ON TV. I JUST LIKE IN A NICE COMMUNITY WITH NICE BIG HOUSES AND NICER CARS THAT YOU NORMALLY SEE DOWN SOUTH. SO TO PUT IT IN WORDS YOU CAN UNDERSTAND "HOWDY BUT AROUND THESE PARTS WE DONT GET MANY OF YOUR KIND (SPITS IN A PLITOO) SO DONT COME BACK NOW YE HEAR"

Originally posted by GT-R2000
SORRY
I'm sorry to say this...go away!

HEY SAMMY PLEASE DONT GET INVOLED BECAUSE THIS GUY DOESNT EVEN LIKE SKY LINE AND PROMOTES TEEN SUICIDE SO PLEASE SINCE YOU DONT KNOW THE WHOLE STORY PLEASE DONT MAKE ANY JUDEMENTS TWORDS ME BECAUSE I CAME HERE TO TALK TO OTHER SKYLINE OWNERS. AND NOT ARGUE WITH WANA BE RED NECKS. SO PLEASE EVERY ONE STAY ON TOPIC FOR NOW ON AND DONT TRY TO INSULT EVERY ONE

If you must know assclown, I am from the westcoast.

Now if you have an intelligent post, feel free to ask. No, really. I am done with MUSTANGS ARE FASTER, SKYLINES ARE FASTER crap.

Mr. Sky,

I am refering to weight transfer, front will lift no matter what. The laws of physics.

GREAT NOW WE CAN ALL GET ALONG, WHATS AN ASS CLOW? TWISTED FANASYS:bloated: :confused: I WANT TO PART OF THIS . SO IM NOT GOING TO ARGUE WITH YOU ANY MORE EAITHER

Hey USA, i see what your saying, but what about wheelie bars and a soft set rear?

Originally posted by GT-R2000
HEY SAMMY PLEASE DONT GET INVOLED
First of all, get rid of the shouting (CAPS). Second, get rid of the insults and try to discuss like an adult.

I got involved as this is a fairly flame free site and I would like it to stay that way.

My fault sami,

I had just got done working on the car, and I was in a bad mood when I jumped on line. Next time I come in from a bad night in the garage I'll stay way from the computer.:)

Mr. Sky,

Yep that will work to a point, if you preload the bars though, you will not get the weight transfer, but I guess you would not need it if the front are pulling. If you look at all the top fuel cars, they run them, but that just so they do not flip over:) If a car is set up, front wheel drive is really not needed. Unless your just on street tires, then it would be a big advantage, but that is street racing and we do not that.

Now for road racing, as we all know its KING.

We all know that the monster R33 HKS drag car would kill a mustang any day try 1000kw = 1,341 BHP!!!!!!!! also if you are looking to compare a circuit sprint skyline vs a modded mustang for handling the sard 800bhp circuit sprint car would kill any modded mustang handling wise EASY. All in all there is just way more technology and knowledge pumped into skylines then there is pumped into old mustangs which grandpa's tune.

:smoker2:

well said mackman. my bro has a mustange and they have alot of tork so the mustang woukd come off the line faster but the skyline would win in the long run.

Please, inlighten us on your vast knowledge of engine and suspension tuning? I mean you just can not spout off such detailed facts like that without years of car tuning under your belt.

Was that being nice? I am asking, Blue?

hahaha what would you like to know?any way i dont get why people buy gts's if ur gonna spend the money and take the time to get one why not get a gtr? any way just a question for you skyline usa. if mustangs are supirior then why are you getting a skyline? you did say there awd is slow as hell? any way i big part gof skyline tuneing is not just the turbo youll need new cam shafts and crower rods and pistons. the straight 6 is nissans best achivment in my opinion because it can be tuned close to 2000hp. there was an r34 gtr that some guy in japan tuned to some where around 1800hp and added nos and some thing else and it came out to 2100 horses he had like almost $200,000 into it

Quote me once saying AWD is slow as hell. I didn't ever say that. If you are going to quote ME, get it right.

I never said Mustangs were superior, ever. They are not. Mustang will take a Skyline in the 1/4, Skyline will take a Mustang in a road race, more often thaa not.

Like has been said before if you enough money you can make a Yugo beat a Skyline. Who would want to do that. Ok, maybe not a Yug, but you get my drift.

I will say, and always will say $4$ a Skyline can not come close to a Mustang. Let me repeat $4$. I have about 12k into my car and it should run mid 10s, and pull over a g on the skid plate. Show me a Skyline with less money in it and that can beat my car.

Right now I am in the process of buying 3 Skylines, 2 GTRs and one GTt. I love their looks, and there performance, not to mention there are not a lot of Americans that own them, so it will be my pleasure to be one of the few.

You mentioned that you can tune a RB26DETT for over 2000hp, what you really ment to say was you can modify.

I got news for you sparky, you can do the same thing to a 302.:)

SKy u should realize youre wrong and shut the fuck up. the Technology is far superior in the skyline. u should think about what youre saying before u say it. a 302 could never get close to 2000 hp. and besides even if it did your car is still ugly.

Fag.:flipa:

By the way you happen to own the ugliest of mustangs. i would be embarassed to tell people that i own that car, especially people that know anything about cars.

I take it you did not read the whole post.

Yeah, my Stang is pretty ugly, So is my GTR.

The dark side is strong
use the force wisely tony:D

sorry this post was on page two but I found it very ignorant SkylineUSA

I will cange out my suspension when I start road racing over there. Right now its set up 1/4s. After I install some Koni Yellows in he back with some decent springs I should be OK against the Beast from the East.


The very fact you say some decent springs and Koni Yellows in the back on your stang and you should be OK against a Skyline is absurd lmfao. No way will just those two things but a Mustang up to a STOCK skyline on a track. Now lets put same pieces on Skyline as Mustang and the Skyline will ass rape the Mustang so bad on a road course you would laugh.... I read somewhere a GTR raced a Z06 and beat it around the track after a few laps by 9 seconds lololol..... There is just a lot more to suspension and handling then good springs/Struts all Im saying... There are skylines.... then there are cars we spend all our pennies on modifiying so that they can almost be like a Skyline.

I have coil overs, PHB, TA, and Koni yellows. I also have a GTR. :)

The statment you took was out of context. I was talking about it being combined with the rest of my combo.

Most of what you say is true, though. The GTR handles like a dream. But my Stang is set up damn well too. The stang can put down the power and get out of corners better than the GTR. The GTR would still win though in a road race. Both cars have their good points.

Is that your car? Very nice, I have always liked those.

oh man I wished that was mine. Its a Nissan 180sx, with a Silvia S15 front end conversion. Signal Auto owns it and its called the Signal Drifter X. I think its horsepower is in the low 400's..... it is truly a badass car and looks NICE, I've seen videos of it drifting in Hawaii and this thing is a machine let me tell you.... If I had to choose between someone giving me a stock GTR or that car, Id take the little ol 180sx.

Can your stang really put down more power out of a corner then a Skyline, with its AWD and all.... I dunno I've never driven a GTR so i can't compare just heard of its legend. From what I've seen and some of the jap guys running tests against the various cars the one guy was driving the GTR pretty damn hard and flooring it through turns with some mild oversteer comming out.. it was sticking better then the Rx7, NSX, Evo that was racing with him by far, defitely could tell the Skyline held in a turn a lot better then those other cars. Then on the other hand my brother has an Impala SS, don't get me wrong nice car and all, but I can't imagine that a v8rwd car can lay down more power then a GTR comming out of a turn. In that video he had full throttle on comming off with AWD, you give that Impala full power in the turn and you better have a wide road or your buying a new side of rims LOL. It gets sideways very easily, fun to drive it but I don't think that kinda setup can hold to a GTR.

Yes this Mustang can hold to road very well. Going into a corner, or while in a corner the GTR has the advantage. If you in a tight corner, and your just coming out, the Stang with its torque will get the GTR. Right now, with the Stang set up right I should have close 425hp to the ground, and gobbes of torque. The GTR should have 315hp to the ground, but the torque numbers are not there, but the handling sure is.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Yes this Mustang can hold to road very well. Going into a corner, or while in a corner the GTR has the advantage. If you in a tight corner, and your just coming out, the Stang with its torque will get the GTR. Right now, with the Stang set up right I should have close 425hp to the ground, and gobbes of torque. The GTR should have 315hp to the ground, but the torque numbers are not there, but the handling sure is.
Yeah but your GT-R is just in its babysteps... I took mine out to Mineral Wells today, it had too much power to that track, with street tires there was no traction once I got to the pedal. Low boost settings still, propably around 450 to the wheels.

Blew that rubber intake hose on my second lap, after that it was cruising in 3rd gear. Whole track in 3rd, no gear chances, no problems with getting torque in curves... :D

Also got to drive Don's SCCA Spec Racer. Videos are up but be warned, upload might not be that fast and the shots are not spectacular. Rather ordinary. http://12.239.130.41:6969/videos/skyline/

I'm gonna say the Cobra will take her in the quarter mile no sweat. But on a windy road or a windy track my money's on the AWD.

Ok sami,

What tires were you using? R1's


450 to the ground. How do I get there? And how much did it cost? When I went the Dyno shoot out a few months ago, the highest GTR was only 424, and that thing was loaded with parts.

Hemi,

That 71 for your avatar, is my dream car. And back in High School we would cruise in a '69 Barracuda, those were the day. Your car is awesome, I just wish it was more for the street.

My Stang, would beat sami's GTR in the 1/4, even with his awd, and more power. Do you beleive me sami?

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Ok sami,

What tires were you using? R1's
Yokohama A520's, ordinary street tires, 245/45/17.
Originally posted by SkylineUSA
450 to the ground. How do I get there? And how much did it cost?
I'm expecting around 550 once we get it tuned, it is running rich and isn't set to higher than 1.2bar.

Garrett GT25/30's, 272 cams, 720cc injectors, Nismo fuel pump...here is the complete list what has been done:

APEX'i AVC-R boost controller
APEX'i GT intercooler
APEX'i GT exhaust
APEX'i intakes
APEX'i PowerFC + controller

HKS twin plate clutch
HKS 1.2mm metal headgasket
HKS cam gears
HKS cams 272/272

Garrett GT2530 turbos

NISMO fuel pump + regulator

720cc injectors

TEIN coilovers
Originally posted by SkylineUSA
My Stang, would beat sami's GTR in the 1/4, even with his awd, and more power. Do you beleive me sami?
I believe you. I'm not a drag racer, never done it but with decent driver the car would propably do very low 11's, maybe even 10's. I think I could do mid 11's after a few practice runs.

Man, you need tires, BAD. With a good set of tires you will be unstopable.

How do you like your twin plate? I have seen most guys that will stall it, it seems to be a very touchy clutch.

I will not go to a cam that big, so I guess your GTR will always have more power up top, but I will build mine for lower power.

They have a GTR from the states that made some 1/4 runs on www.freshalloy.com have you checked them out?

Tony

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
How do you like your twin plate? I have seen most guys that will stall it, it seems to be a very touchy clutch.
It's a pain in the traffic but other than that you get used to it.
Originally posted by SkylineUSA
I will not go to a cam that big, so I guess your GTR will always have
more power up top, but I will build mine for lower power.
I was going to go with 256 cams first but then was recommended the 272's. Low end power is still good but it idles very rough. I had the engine die on me on few occasions when I let the rpms drop suddenly, need to fix that. Lose the engine = lose the brakes... :(
Originally posted by SkylineUSA
They have a GTR from the states that made some 1/4 runs on www.freshalloy.com have you checked them out?

Yes, I know Nick. I called him that saturday night to get some alignment numbers from him and he told me the times. He was here in Dallas a few months ago. Cool guy with a lot of knowledge about GT-R, I hope he does well in One Lap next year.

BTW, I'm "samppa" in FreshAlloy.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Ok sami,

What tires were you using? R1's


450 to the ground. How do I get there? And how much did it cost? When I went the Dyno shoot out a few months ago, the highest GTR was only 424, and that thing was loaded with parts.

Hemi,

That 71 for your avatar, is my dream car. And back in High School we would cruise in a '69 Barracuda, those were the day. Your car is awesome, I just wish it was more for the street.

My Stang, would beat sami's GTR in the 1/4, even with his awd, and more power. Do you beleive me sami?
hahahaha I get her out every once and awhile. thanks by the way. that stang sounds like a beast my wife has a 67 fastback, beautiful car.

My Stang, or GTR whatever. You got a HEMI:eek: :D

How can you even compare the King of all cars, the Skyline, to a WEAK, American car. Of course the Skyline is better and could beat a Mustang. But to put the two up next to each other would be an extremely unfair matchup because the Skyline is so much better. Please Believe

XykoHippo,

That was very informative. I can't wait for your next extremely indepth post:rolleyes:

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
XykoHippo,

That was very informative. I can't wait for your next extremely indepth post:rolleyes:
yea i'm starting to realize lots of ppl in these forums think that american cars are junk or something? I'm being challenged by a CRX in the other thread, I mean c'mon even souped up I don't think its even gonna be a fair race he wants to do it friday.

Your kidding, right. A Hemi, against a CRX.

I would put big bucks down on the CRX getting you out of the hole, and then pulling on you all the way to the finishline:rolleyes:

Today's youth, clueless.

If they would pick up a few books and do some reading, they might just learn something. That would take effort, so I do not think most of them would try. There are a few out there, that have some knowledge, but most are just armchair quaterbacks.

Did I mention that some of these kids know what they are doing, hybridsol is pertty knowledgeable.

Good Luck to both of you:)

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Did I mention that some of these kids know what they are doing, hybridsol is pertty knowledgeable.

Good Luck to both of you:)
ok let me start of by saying I have newfound respect for all you honda driver's, I met up with hybridsol early this afternoon. First of all let me say that I was only expecting 1 guy and 1 car. I was sitting in my living room watching the game, and from the outside I hear a barage of blowoff vlave's. My son who was home with me jumps up and looks outside, I told him about the whole thing b/c I thought he might want to watch. ok I went out the front door to see and a black honda integra was pulling up with a black delsol close behind. The integra passed the house but the delsol stopped right outside, the integra then backed up turned around and parked. the guy in the integra then got out and started yelling across the street del slow! And as soon as they pulled up 2 more honda cars pulled up and a green jeep towing a CRX, the guy in the delsol after fiddeling with something inside his car got out. This kid was at least 6'3 and he had to be over 200 pounds (yea he was a big guy) he said to me I'm sorry Mr. George? I said yes just george and laughed, he introduced himself as C.J. he looked embarrased and apolagized for having a race in my neghborhood (yea got complaints about that) and then introduced his friends. 3 other guys and a girl. So I took them out to a country road I knew of that wasen't often populated by cars quarry road. It turns into a dead end. When he started the car it was groggy and I heard a hard wind I had to wait while he messed with a computer laptop in his car for a while but i needed to warm her up anyhow then he gave me thumbs up. Ok cutting to the chase we sat at the line and my son opted to flag (I think my son was routing for the other team all he talks about now is how he wants to go to this school where there from and all) Off the line I spun a bit the CRX on the other hand took off from the line without even squeeling he had already gained two car lengths but I started to catch him through 2nd I pulled on the rear side panel of the car still gaining ground on im, then to my amazement he pulled on me another car length and took the title! we raced again b/c I asked him If he wouldent mind me giving it another shot he seemed pretty amazed that he had beat me as well and agreed. This time I didint spin and took him head to head off the line he pulled on me again! by the end of that race he had only beaten me by a nose but a wins a win. I was very impressed after the race he shook my hand told me how suprised he was and thanked me for the race. he was nothing like all the kids around here i see? he was well dressed and very polite all I have to say is that was a new one for me never been beaten by a honda and never thought it was possible!

So, what is your best 1/4 in your Cuda?

Cool story. I told you some of those kids, do know what they are doing, but most do not.

low 10's e.t. last 1/4 was 10.18 but she didint grab cause I got anxious, If I get in the right feel I can get perfect traction, and yea some of them kids do know there stuff. what are you running in the stang?

score one for the Import crowd!:silly2:

slap

how much hp was in that honda? how much in that cuda? what on earth is going on ? SWEET

hehe well i am going to say one thing the people who are impolite and mouth off know nothing others do! haha o well

what is this world coming to when a POS honda can beat a Barricuda:eek2:

The guy with the honda, knows his stuff. To say all Hondas are POS is not really that accurate.

There are only a few guys on here I respect for time and energy spent working on cars, he is one of them.

MAYBE I OVER REACTED I'M NOT USE TO HEARING ABOUT A CRX BEATING A CUDA WITH A 426 ! I'M TRUELY IMPRESSED, HOW MUCH POWER DID THE CRX HAVE? THE REASON FOR MY SURPRISE IS THAT THE ONLY TUNED HONDAS I GET TO SEE ARE ON TV OR MAGAZINES ALMOST ALL THE HONDAS FROM WERE I LIVE ARE ALL SHOW AND NO GO. IF THE STORY ABOUT THE CUDA AND CRX IS TRUE THAN THE GUY WHO OWNS THE CRX DOE'S KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING.:smoka:

how the hell did a thread on skyline vs Mustang end up

honda vs cuda????????

start a thread in the relevent section:mad:

I WAS JUST RESPONDING;)

HOW MUCH POWER DID THE CRX HAVE?

Its a Motorcycle on 4 wheels, how much power would it need:p

I would imagine the 500bhp range, but that is a guess.

KORN! Anyhow. Cobra vs GT-R. Hmm, Im thinkin, in a straight line, it would be pretty damn even. But i would take a skyline over a cobra for a bunch of reasons. Lets start with the fact that the skylines light factory boost of .4 bar (wooo, blow me over...) makes upgrades very easy. And we all know that the horse on the skyline isnt 280, its 320 something. A club in the UK tested it, but when your weight is 3350lbs, and you have the great Nissan version of AWD (ATTESA-ETS, and a Pro version on the V-Spec) monitoring EVERY wheels traction 100 times a second, you have a slight advantage. Lets not even get started on reliability and endurance, resting my case with 'ford', the skyline is worth every penny, and the cobra is just another car thrown together with a bunch of parts that already exsisted somewhere in the world, a V8 with a SC. Not impressed. The only mustang Im impressed with is the new Mach 1. Its 305hp, no SC. DOHC 4.6L V8. Now that I like.

Oh and by the way, Im having trouble with my photo, im trying to get this under my name. I already did the upload, but it didnt work. Maybe im missing something.

Just to give you an idea of what the new Cobra (or was it the Mach Iw ill have to look it up) can do, 11s sec 1/4 with very little mods. Straight line Stang:D That is NO boost, N/A baby.

Lets get real here, the cobra is SC yes it is(Eaton Gen. IV Roots-type supercharger, 8.0 psi Boost to be exact), and it isnt going to just run 11s with good tires and a short shifter... The Mclaren F1 runs a friggin 11 buddy. Gonna say the cobra keeps up with a Mclaren? when anybody whos anybody knows it will not.

Like I said, 11s were posted by a N/A Cobra, did I stutter. By the way, Mclaren F1 are not built for 1/4s. I thought you might need to know that.:)

Lol, well, i dont care what the Mclaren is built for, it runs 11s and the cobra does not, im sorry. Cobra is SC, Mach 1 is NA. The Cobra will run about a 12'9 to a 13'5. Skyline GT-R is gonna run about 13'3 to 13'8. Its pretty close. But on a slalom, the GT-R is gonna be faster.

So all Cobras are supercharged? Hmm?

All of the brand new ones, yes, thats what makes them a "cobra".

What mag are you getting your times out of? They are wrong, point blank, wrong!

I am talking about the 99-01 Cobras

lol, i dont get my times out of mags, i do real research. Listen, i dont want to argue with you anymore, those times are very, very accurate my friend, but what is wrong with them anywyas, those are fast times dude.

Dude, the cars are faster than that.

Under-drive pulleys, chip, cold air induction, gears, long tube headers, after cat system, bigger mass air, and an X-pipe, 11s in a NA Cobra. By the way this is FACT, dont tell me I do not know what I am talking about, DUDE.

And yes, the 99-01 Cobras. They are 390hp @ 8 psi of boost @ 6000rpm. They have about a .90 lateral accelaration [g], curb weight of about 3600lbs, DOHC, 4601cc, 10.9 cubic feet of trunk space, and 38.1 inches of front figgin head room. DUDE that cobra yes, yes yes... dang dude.

http://www.corral.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=208409&highlight=n%2Fa+cobra

Read and be enlightened. Now who knows what they are talking about. I think I do, dude.

If your not looking at mags for your time, why are you posting head room, and trunk space:D

Wow, you gave me a link to a web page with a bunch of other guys talking. Thats not a credible source for research. And you know what, ill argue with those chimps too if thats what it takes, im so sick of ppl talking about the mustang like its a friggin jet. They are fast, but just fast like anything else in its class, and they are the first, the GT has been walked on since its birth. And that includes the 5.0, which ive bitch slapped in my 6th gen Si. How about you find that same info in a bunch of different sources instead of one source, that isnt even a real source for info, and untill then dont post anymore.

Your a rock!

You just said all Cobras were Supercharged, you were wrong there too!

How much more information do you want me to post before you realise you look like a fool?:rolleyes:

I must be a wise rock, cuz all cobras from 99-01 are SC... but you know what? I honestly am becoming exhausted with ignorant ppl, and so ive decided that you are right, and im wrong. Ok? Good bye.

Have you ever heard of Bob Cosby? Probably not. He is the site moderator at the Corral. Running in the 11s, in what , a N/A 99 Cobra. By the way N/A means Naturally Aspirated.

http://www.corral.net/projects/blkcld/1185.html

Here is some more of what I know nothing about.

Here is one with a Supercharger, he is only looking to go 215mph.

http://www.vortechsuperchargers.com/profiles/history/cobra.html

So, I guess you were right, there really is not that much information out there, sorry:(

Oh, wait here is a post by Mr. Cosby, at the very bottom. But then again he is a liar, since he is driving a Mustang.


http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?threadid=156893&highlight=cobra+fastest

If you are going to call me out, you better know a little more than just mag facts C32Bperformance. If I post something, I normally have good information behind it, kid.

I would like to clear up one thing, all 99-01 Cobras were N/A from the factory.

Stick to Hondas, C32Bperformance.:)

There is no way a stock NA Cobra runs 11's. Cobra R maybe but that is a different story.

I don't think Cobra was produced in '99.

Sami,

I listed what it takes, and yes there were Cobras in 99. I do know a little about FORDs.

11s N/A Cobra, Yes

lol...

I love it when someone admits he is wrong. lol...

:sleep:

Hey kid, do some more research on a subject before posting, it makes you look better.

I like all cars, not just one type. Being narrow minded only hurts you. ;)

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Sami,

I listed what it takes, and yes there were Cobras in 99. I do know a little about FORDs.

11s N/A Cobra, Yes
But it is not a stock Cobra, right? In '99 Cobra wasn't available through dealers, I know that much, I was thinking of buying one.

Completely stock, no.

Small bolt ons, yes.

I have never looked at buying a cobra, so as far as I know you could buy them from a dealer. I do not get into the 4.6s, ask the guys at stangnet they could tell you.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Completely stock, no.

Small bolt ons, yes.
That's what I thought. With small bolt-ons your R32 will get to 10's. :)

Sami,

We are talking semantics here. You can manipulate anything when it comes to comparing cars to each other. I was just stating a fact that you can put a N/A Cobra in the 11's with small bolt ons.

What is the fastest US based Skyline running now. Seans? 10.5x something. That car is not small bolt ons, its a highly tuned car, with a 150 direct port shot and 2530 turbo upgrade, so your looking at 600hp for the 10s. If I have 600hp in my stang, I would be a lot faster than that. Skylines are not ment to run the 1/4, you can look at the rear suspension and figure that one out fairly easy.

Stang #1 for the 1/4 mile, flat out. Between the two.:p

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Stang #1 for the 1/4 mile, flat out. Between the two.:p
Of course, just that the "small bolt-ons" is quite a vague term. My car is a small bolt-ons car, turbos, cams, 600hp+. ;)

As the GT-R is a high 12's car stock, it really doesn't take that much to get into 11's (11.99s is in 11's). Getting from 11's to 10's is a totally different story.

GTR is not a high 12 in stock form, more like mid 13. I am talking stock. With slight mods it can get to mid-low 12s. With moderate mods in the 11s. Highly modded 10s. 9s, very hard to get to.

Stang in the 9s, oh yes;) all the time:D

This is really pointless. Just say it sami, a GTR is not a Mustang, and a Mustang is not a GTR:p Your biased, not say that is bad, but I am not.

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
GTR is not a high 12 in stock form, more like mid 13. I am talking stock. With slight mods it can get to mid-low 12s. With moderate mods in the 11s. Highly modded 10s. 9s, very hard to get to.
GT-R is a high 12s car in bone stock form, as tested by magazines.
Originally posted by SkylineUSA
This is really pointless. Just say it sami, a GTR is not a Mustang, and a Mustang is not a GTR:p
I've already said that many times. :)
Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Your biased, not say that is bad, but I am not.
Where did that come from? I'm not biased, I respect Stangs for what they are. As for the GT-R, remember the famous quote by a famous man, "It's not bragging if you can back it up." :D

You guys can argue it all day, I never seen a stock GT-R or Cobra run in a 12, but that doenst mean it hasnt happened. In fact, I've read in an actual GT-R web site that it was running a 13'4. It doesnt mean shit though.

Lets not forget the factory boost being at only 5.8psi (GT-R) compared to the stangs 8psi. Match boost levels and yah might have to reconsider.

Food for thought.:D

With the stock .7 bar, stock exhaust, and stock air box, it ran 12s. I really do not see it. If I put my car on low boost, with a modded ECU, HKS air filter, and no cat 3 1/2 exhaust. That car will not see a 12 at all, and that's with those mods I have listed.

The magazine article is tainted.

Your still biased:D

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
With the stock .7 bar, stock exhaust, and stock air box, it ran 12s. I really do not see it. If I put my car on low boost, with a modded ECU, HKS air filter, and no cat 3 1/2 exhaust. That car will not see a 12 at all, and that's with those mods I have listed.
Tony, Tony, Tony. You are missing one mod, it is the fairly large brick between the wheel and the seat. You need to replace that with one that is more efficient, then you'll get somewhere. Now I better insert something here... :silly2:
Originally posted by SkylineUSA
The magazine article is tainted.
You surely mean the R&T article where they got 13.7s.
Originally posted by SkylineUSA
Your still biased:D
Oh, come on now, *you're* in England for gods sake! ;)

"You surely mean the R&T article where they got 13.7s."

I never heard of that article.


Sami,

You had me rollin. :)

Ok, your slighly biased:p

Is your car done? Tuned and spittin flames out the tail pipe. Mine does, but with a lot less HP of course. Its cool at night.

"You surely mean the R&T article where they got 13.7s."

I never heard of that article.


Sami,

You had me rollin. :)

Ok, your slighly biased:p

Is your car done? Tuned and spittin flames out the tail pipe. Mine does, but with a lot less HP of course. Its cool at night.


Tony

Man some kids never learn. One thing that I wanted to add was that the SN-93 mustang (87-93) LX 5.0 with the 3.08 gear option and a stick could run 13.8-14.0 all day with a good driver. Hell, the 93 Cobra could easily run 14.0 (once again with a good driver and not a magazine editor). And lets not forget that the 93 Mustang LX 5.0 could be bought new for under $14 grand and had almost 20 years of aftermarket support when the SN-95 (94-up) came out. Now, before anyone gets to bashing me, I love the GTR and would surely sell an organ if it meant the chance to own one. But, the performance bargain rests with the Stang, and it can be made into a serious road car despite it's aged platform. Hey T, got any sound clips for the masses?:) Nothin like the sound and smell of horsepower in the morning!

I can hook it up in a day or two, but it might scare some GTR owners if I do:D

By the way, Your cars ROCKs. My car now:p

I forgot to tell you, we bought another Skyline. Later B.

T

Pics? BTW, have I told ya how much I hate you? It's not FAIR!:flipa:

As soon as I get a day to take some pics, I'll post them. Its England, so I am looking sometime in June, or July:D

Skylineusa mentioned the cobra would win in $4$ depends on the model
and local. in the states the stang would win, but r33 and r32 gtrs come in many prices over here. Theres a few over here that have 700/800hp Power houses and havent even spent 20k on their rides. I'd take that any day over a stang. But piss on Nissan for not getting them to the states sooner.:flipa:

I never mentioned a Cobra, they did.:)

I am curious, could you list 20k for 800hp? Are we talking price of the vehical as well?

I could reach 600 pretty easy for 20k with mine as well. 700hp is another ballgame.

The reason why it does become so cheap over here though is because of the 'hand-me-down' syndrome. Primary owners ofcourse shell out the 9mil(yen) for the car when it first comes out. A few years later they have a few mods on it. Fastfoward to today that GTR is now 8 to 12 years old. So ofcourse we now pay about 8k for the car and another 10 for a new crank shaft, engine and transmission rebuild. 1600 bucks for over sized four piston Brembo cals, and rotars and some new air freshner. The car itself will seem new enough. But even though its been used you still have a 10k rpm engine/drive train terror for the streets. No need for that warrantee cause the life expectancy just went down upon getting behind the wheel. The battle is now obviously in favor for the stang/corbra comparing current 4 current. Over here I'd rather sport a Stang anyhow....We don't see that many of them. Oh and if you're in good ol' Nipon shop on Yahoo Japan auctions. Most after market places charge an arm and a leg over here.

Thanks for the info RB20.

Man $20K pounds would get me a up over the 1000 hp mark easy here in New Zealand heheheh but of course that would be $60k nzd. Not sure the drive train would last but hell it would go like stink until it let go lmao.

Originally posted by RazorGTR
Man $20K pounds would get me a up over the 1000 hp mark easy here in New Zealand heheheh but of course that would be $60k nzd. Not sure the drive train would last but hell it would go like stink until it let go lmao.

Yea, thats the spirit, screw the drivetrain. At 1000+ somthing's going to break eventually anyway ;) :D

For 20k I would have the same:p

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
For 20k I would have the same:p

Oh bollux to yas!! I think Moss's Jetta with 20k USD would wup the lot of ya :D ;)

although im not really 1 for hondas or any ricer for that matter i just have to send my congrats to t crx driver
incredable never heard of such a thing but i guess now we all know its possible
also to the cuda driver i just have to say good race and maybe next time

In australia my friend bought an R32 straight from japan for $30K Aus which is $15K US and the car had around 350RWKW, I dunno how much horsepower that is, but its a lot for a $15K US car!
I just found it, thats 470rwhp for $15K US in a street legal R32.
He took the twin setup off and has just put a single T-78 in, but dunno how much power he has now.
He had twin TD05's before.

$30K Aus which is $15K US Its more like 17.7k

Mustang with more power than 470rwhp for 17.7, you bet ya:) Plus 300lbs lighter:D

Originally posted by daytonaes93
although im not really 1 for hondas or any ricer for that matter i just have to send my congrats to t crx driver
incredable never heard of such a thing but i guess now we all know its possible
also to the cuda driver i just have to say good race and maybe next time
I am not a ricer, but thank you for the congratulations.

(sorry guys, not trying to whore your thread.)

hybridsol,

I got a question for you, what is your best 1/4 in that rocket of yours? Actually, I perfer to talk about what your doing, its much more interesting:cool:

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
hybridsol,

I got a question for you, what is your best 1/4 in that rocket of yours? Actually, I perfer to talk about what your doing, its much more interesting:cool:
PM

I can make my mazda rx3 with 13B turbo go faster than a GTR aswell, but I would still prefer a GTR.
My car has around 300rwhp at the moment and does low 11 1/4 miles. I know ppl with 6-700rwhp.
But I would still prefer a 700hp GTR. :cool:

Also, could I see a pic of this mustang u r talking about, coz I have no idea what it looks like.

Gee I think this thread, which should be in the car comparison section has about run its course. The discussion have went WAY off topic.

Bring it back to the original topic or we will get closure :(

GTR and Mustang???
how can u ever even compare!?.....
thats like comparing a corrolla with a DC5

Not that it would be anytime soon Skyline but perhaps we go go head to head...Your Boss 302 built up the way you want it versus my R33 say in the shape it will be in around late June or July...That would kinda cool. If we never race we should compare some timeslips. It would be interesting I think.

The Boss would go into my Stang. I should easly be able to put out 1000hp with Boss set-up right. It would be fun.

How would it perform on the 1/4 mile and all-around .:confused:

Too vague.

Plus you might want to ask that in another forum.:)

Are these People RETARDED?! I beat a Mustang Cobra with my little ol' acura integra 90 model... passed him up at 120mph...he couldn't even catch up! Hell yes the SKYLINE with a max speed of 180mph and four wheel drive and pgm-fi will whoop the crap out of a stang...I'm a street racer...and no one thought i could take the stang and to my surprise i whoop the crap out of him...well barley..but the skyline is a crap load faster and i know ...i said ...I KNOW... it can beat a stang cobra...
:flipa: :devil:

Thats funny. A cobra:p

I beat a Ferrari F50, at Silverstone. I can say what ever I want, because it cannot be disproved:rolleyes:

Hey skyline, is urs an old mustang, coz old cars with powerful enines are always gonna thrash anything out there, I was never beaten on the street, and my car only had 270RWHP, but the car weighed around 850KG. No one was ever close to me at all.
'74 Mazda RX3 with 13B turbo.

This thread is now closed.

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