350z Sucks!
Grim13
09-22-2003, 01:26 AM
Say it isn't true. I've been doing a lot of forum reading about 350z owners and their cars. I'm looking to get the performance or the touring model, but now I'm getting second thoughts from what I've been reading. It appears that the 350z has a lot of internal problems. I have a 99 4Runner that runs like a charm, but consumes 16 mpg... and I need something similar in dependability. My second option is the Infiniti G35, but my heart is still set on the 350z. I wonder if the 2004 models have been refined.. Also, I'm looking to slap in a Stillen supercharger. Would that hurt my gas mileage by much?
z33guy
09-22-2003, 09:43 PM
Im guessing by internals problems you mean engine problems? If so, rest easy, the VQ series of engines are god :) . Unless you want an EVO or an STi its gonna be hard to beat the Z's bang for the buck. But if you dont like the car, dont buy it.
pat77
09-24-2003, 05:05 PM
Grim,
Not to worry the cars are great....The Engine is bullet proof.
I did here of a few early trannies that whined but Nissan took care of them.
If I was not already on a list for an ELISE I would not be selling my Track model for a song......
Later
Pat
Not to worry the cars are great....The Engine is bullet proof.
I did here of a few early trannies that whined but Nissan took care of them.
If I was not already on a list for an ELISE I would not be selling my Track model for a song......
Later
Pat
tydog8
10-09-2003, 03:42 PM
Yea the Z rocks and the engine and drive train do too.
The so called problems you hear about are nothing. I work for nissan and it was a select few and the problem dealt with a harsh feel in the shifter which is now taken care of.
VQ engines have been rated the 10 best for over a decade. Cant beat em!
The so called problems you hear about are nothing. I work for nissan and it was a select few and the problem dealt with a harsh feel in the shifter which is now taken care of.
VQ engines have been rated the 10 best for over a decade. Cant beat em!
Strider Negro
10-09-2003, 03:48 PM
the z sucks?
are u kidding me??? you don't say that about the VQ... :nono:
they have been voted the best 10 engines for a while now so i would find it hard that it has engine problems
it is the engine that defines nissan, all magazines and people know this...well that is what i think anyways...but buy the damn thing if i had the money i would buy it and not look back.
are u kidding me??? you don't say that about the VQ... :nono:
they have been voted the best 10 engines for a while now so i would find it hard that it has engine problems
it is the engine that defines nissan, all magazines and people know this...well that is what i think anyways...but buy the damn thing if i had the money i would buy it and not look back.
350Zyprexa
10-15-2003, 10:39 PM
Here's an idea:
Stop reading posts, buy a Z, go out and smoke some mustangs and ricers and then worry about it.
Stop reading posts, buy a Z, go out and smoke some mustangs and ricers and then worry about it.
DR_Gallup
10-17-2003, 03:05 PM
Say it isn't true. I've been doing a lot of forum reading about 350z owners and their cars. I'm looking to get the performance or the touring model, but now I'm getting second thoughts from what I've been reading. It appears that the 350z has a lot of internal problems. I have a 99 4Runner that runs like a charm, but consumes 16 mpg... and I need something similar in dependability. My second option is the Infiniti G35, but my heart is still set on the 350z. I wonder if the 2004 models have been refined.. Also, I'm looking to slap in a Stillen supercharger. Would that hurt my gas mileage by much?The only significant problems have been front tire wear (variously called cupping, feathering, tire roar, etc.) and a few transmissions. My car has been back to the dealership only for the tire wear since Aug 2002. Nissan gave me free tires. I get 27 mpg highway with an average trip speed of 70 mph for 600 miles including stops. Pretty good in my book. 2004 model is unchanged except for the door on the NAV compartment. G35 is mechanically very close to 305Z so you won't be getting any significant difference in reliability. If reliability and gas milage are important forget about a supercharger. The aftermarket does about 5% of the engineering and 1% of the testing that the factory does. Highly modified cars are toys not dependable transportation.
Grim13
10-18-2003, 12:03 PM
The only significant problems have been front tire wear (variously called cupping, feathering, tire roar, etc.) and a few transmissions. My car has been back to the dealership only for the tire wear since Aug 2002. Nissan gave me free tires. I get 27 mpg highway with an average trip speed of 70 mph for 600 miles including stops. Pretty good in my book. 2004 model is unchanged except for the door on the NAV compartment. G35 is mechanically very close to 305Z so you won't be getting any significant difference in reliability. If reliability and gas milage are important forget about a supercharger. The aftermarket does about 5% of the engineering and 1% of the testing that the factory does. Highly modified cars are toys not dependable transportation.
Cool! Thanks for the helpful info. I did hear some minor flaws engine, about the tranny, some axel imperfection and yes, the tires. Maybe all are minor enough that I can handle. Also, the convertable looks pretty sweet! I've thought it looked really fem in the pictures, but it actually looks waay better in life.
Yeah, I want to do some more research on the 'stillen' supercharger. I definitely would like to do some mods such as the Veilside's type 3 body kit. 27 mpg is awesome, compared to my 19 mpg highway '99 4Runner.
I do like the g35 quite a bit, but the z has way more after-market gadgets.
Cool! Thanks for the helpful info. I did hear some minor flaws engine, about the tranny, some axel imperfection and yes, the tires. Maybe all are minor enough that I can handle. Also, the convertable looks pretty sweet! I've thought it looked really fem in the pictures, but it actually looks waay better in life.
Yeah, I want to do some more research on the 'stillen' supercharger. I definitely would like to do some mods such as the Veilside's type 3 body kit. 27 mpg is awesome, compared to my 19 mpg highway '99 4Runner.
I do like the g35 quite a bit, but the z has way more after-market gadgets.
svtcobra007x
10-19-2003, 06:16 PM
This is kind of pathetic how you guys are all talking about the Nissan Z because i looked up the specs and it does not have the horsepower or 0-60 time that other cars have. Im a die hard Mustang fan and if you check out the Mustang Cobra specs or the Saleen specs, then you will know that no Nissan will smoke a Mustang.
z33guy
10-19-2003, 10:25 PM
This is kind of pathetic how you guys are all talking about the Nissan Z because i looked up the specs and it does not have the horsepower or 0-60 time that other cars have. Im a die hard Mustang fan and if you check out the Mustang Cobra specs or the Saleen specs, then you will know that no Nissan will smoke a Mustang.
especially when i can get a mach 1 for a few grand over a base model Z, and the SVT cobra is the same price as a track model Z. To most people the Z is more than a quater mile time or a 0-60. People like Z's the same way most diehard people like mustangs or camaros, because of the history and the name. Nissans and old datsuns have always run thru my family, so the Z is a welcome site back to our shores. Not flaming the mustang because your points are very true.
especially when i can get a mach 1 for a few grand over a base model Z, and the SVT cobra is the same price as a track model Z. To most people the Z is more than a quater mile time or a 0-60. People like Z's the same way most diehard people like mustangs or camaros, because of the history and the name. Nissans and old datsuns have always run thru my family, so the Z is a welcome site back to our shores. Not flaming the mustang because your points are very true.
Grim13
10-20-2003, 02:33 AM
This is kind of pathetic how you guys are all talking about the Nissan Z because i looked up the specs and it does not have the horsepower or 0-60 time that other cars have. Im a die hard Mustang fan and if you check out the Mustang Cobra specs or the Saleen specs, then you will know that no Nissan will smoke a Mustang.
No one's doubting that Mustangs are badass cars. Although, if you go to any ford forum and make a comparison, you'll find out that Nissan's more dependable, mechanically, in the long run. I personally like old american muscle cars and would die to own a '71 mach1 mustang, but for an everday driver, I wouldn't want an american car as my first choice. It's just matter of preference, which in my case, I would prefer z or g35 over ford or chevy for it's speed, handling and general practicality. The new Cobra's got 390hp (which has a built in supercharger). If I were to get a Z, also, with a supercharger, it would boost it up it hp to around 360. Z, being the lighter car, probably will be an even match up.
No one's doubting that Mustangs are badass cars. Although, if you go to any ford forum and make a comparison, you'll find out that Nissan's more dependable, mechanically, in the long run. I personally like old american muscle cars and would die to own a '71 mach1 mustang, but for an everday driver, I wouldn't want an american car as my first choice. It's just matter of preference, which in my case, I would prefer z or g35 over ford or chevy for it's speed, handling and general practicality. The new Cobra's got 390hp (which has a built in supercharger). If I were to get a Z, also, with a supercharger, it would boost it up it hp to around 360. Z, being the lighter car, probably will be an even match up.
svtcobra007x
10-20-2003, 04:03 PM
ok i wasnt trying to bash the Nissan Z and I understand what your saying. Everyone has their favorite brand car and they usually do not give that up. If you like Mustangs, buy a Mustang, or if you like a Nissan Z, buy a Nissan Z. My dream car would probably be a Saleen 281-E and hopefully one day i might just buy it but the odds are unlikely.
Mk3Supra
10-20-2003, 05:34 PM
I'm a recent Nissan convert and diehard fan. Out of the Japanese "Big 3" , Toyota , Nissan , Mitsubishi (Or Subaru) , (Maybe "Big4" if you include Honda , but they havent built a decent sports car since the CRX) I've come to the understanding the Nissans are the most reliable , with Toyota 2nd , and Mitsubishi and Subaru a distant 3rd. I have an '85 Turbo 300Z , and it seems just as solid as the day it was new. No squeaks or rattles , engine runs like a top with 160K on it , shifts are notchy but accurate. Technology has gotten much more precise since then , so I imagine a 350Z will outlast even cockroaches.
[SS]Disabled
10-21-2003, 05:10 PM
Technology has gotten much more precise since then , so I imagine a 350Z will outlast even cockroaches.
Nah, not those bastards. Maybe it will outlast humanity but not cockroaches.
Nah, not those bastards. Maybe it will outlast humanity but not cockroaches.
z33guy
10-21-2003, 06:24 PM
cockaroaches can survive a nuclear attack and live with their heads cut off :screwy:
The vq might live that long
The vq might live that long
[SS]Disabled
10-21-2003, 06:30 PM
cockaroaches can survive a nuclear attack and live with their heads cut off :screwy:
The vq might live that long
Thanks for the information.............ehm...............are you working in pest control or something? :lol:
The vq might live that long
Thanks for the information.............ehm...............are you working in pest control or something? :lol:
deadmaninc
10-21-2003, 07:37 PM
The mustang they were refering to was the GT if I am not mistaken.
longlivetheZ
10-21-2003, 11:37 PM
This is kind of pathetic how you guys are all talking about the Nissan Z because i looked up the specs and it does not have the horsepower or 0-60 time that other cars have. Im a die hard Mustang fan and if you check out the Mustang Cobra specs or the Saleen specs, then you will know that no Nissan will smoke a Mustang.
Are you KIDDING!? No replacement for displacement.......riiiiiiight........some people will never learn. The VQ has so much potential...Stillen is working with the newly designed roots type supercharger for the 350Z and will probably start selling another SMZ. Pit your little ford up against that. Even up against a regular Z...it'd be extremely close off the line and you'd be gone once we hit a turn. Ford is just starting to learn that a live axle in the rear handles like ass in turns. They finally put independant rear in the new(er) Cobra. Not a bad car, but it doesn't have the potential that the Z has. It's pretty much maxed out. It has quite a low specific output...Not even 100 hp/liter. The 90-96 300ZX's were putting that out stock. Plus, It already has a supercharger on it...the Z is a normally aspirated V-6. If it can do ~5.4 0-60 STOCK...you just wait till mods come out...we're no where NEAR maxed out...
especially when i can get a mach 1 for a few grand over a base model Z, and the SVT cobra is the same price as a track model Z.
I read a comparison of the Mach 1 and the 350 (and another car but I can't remember which) and it was unanimous...unless you don't just plan on going in a strait line everywhere...get the Z.
But...on top of it all...to get a mustang that's even worth half a damn, you have to spend $47,000 for a Saleen (all prices off autotrader.com), $40,000 for an SVT Cobra, or $30,000 for a Mach 1. All that for a MUSTANG...people need to be somewhat original and stop buying cars that you SEE EVERYWHERE...mustangs, even the higher end SVT, are all OVER THE PLACE...like a damn BACTERIA....there is no way I will ever understand buying a 30-40,000 car that you see more of then any one person will ever care to.
Long Live The Z
Are you KIDDING!? No replacement for displacement.......riiiiiiight........some people will never learn. The VQ has so much potential...Stillen is working with the newly designed roots type supercharger for the 350Z and will probably start selling another SMZ. Pit your little ford up against that. Even up against a regular Z...it'd be extremely close off the line and you'd be gone once we hit a turn. Ford is just starting to learn that a live axle in the rear handles like ass in turns. They finally put independant rear in the new(er) Cobra. Not a bad car, but it doesn't have the potential that the Z has. It's pretty much maxed out. It has quite a low specific output...Not even 100 hp/liter. The 90-96 300ZX's were putting that out stock. Plus, It already has a supercharger on it...the Z is a normally aspirated V-6. If it can do ~5.4 0-60 STOCK...you just wait till mods come out...we're no where NEAR maxed out...
especially when i can get a mach 1 for a few grand over a base model Z, and the SVT cobra is the same price as a track model Z.
I read a comparison of the Mach 1 and the 350 (and another car but I can't remember which) and it was unanimous...unless you don't just plan on going in a strait line everywhere...get the Z.
But...on top of it all...to get a mustang that's even worth half a damn, you have to spend $47,000 for a Saleen (all prices off autotrader.com), $40,000 for an SVT Cobra, or $30,000 for a Mach 1. All that for a MUSTANG...people need to be somewhat original and stop buying cars that you SEE EVERYWHERE...mustangs, even the higher end SVT, are all OVER THE PLACE...like a damn BACTERIA....there is no way I will ever understand buying a 30-40,000 car that you see more of then any one person will ever care to.
Long Live The Z
svtcobra007x
10-23-2003, 06:40 PM
Im going to have to disagree with you on that. Yea so what if you have to pay extra for a Saleen Mustang because its not surpring considering the fact that one of their cars is the S7 which is one of the fastest in the world. And that car costs around $400,000. But I have read statisics where certain Saleen Mustangs have maxed out at about 500 hp. I don't think any Nissan is gonna tear it off the road. Plus if you checked out the new Mustang coming out in 2005, it adds even more power to the Mustang. They are saying that even a GT could get around 400 horses under the hood but I can't say that for a fact. Even Shelby might come back and modify it like they did in the past. Yea and the reason you see so many Mustangs on the road is because everyone loves them. Granted, not every Mustang people own is a GT so that cuts down the cost a lot but since its still sporty enough, they sell lots of them. But do you see lots of Saleens, Rousches, Cobra R's, or Steeda Mustangs out on the road, definetely not. Those are the rare ones but hell, they are definitely worth paying the extra bucks for. But your kidding yourself if you think a Z is better than a Saleen(0-60)<4.5 seconds. Z has trouble getting lower than 5.4 seconds.
Just gotta love that Mustang sound.
Just gotta love that Mustang sound.
longlivetheZ
10-23-2003, 11:07 PM
You just kinda rambled on in that post so badly that it's difficult to address a single point, so I'm going to have to adress issues as I read down your post (with the exception of the first part).
1 thing that REALLY ANNOYS ME...everyone looks at the same 3 damn things...1 and 2: 0-60 and quarter mile. That's bullshit because these vary SO MUCH. Depends on ambient air temp, the driver, age of the car, fuel type, mods, track/ground conditions, tires used, etc. I've seen the stock Z32 (90-96, see sig) 300ZX TT quoted as high as 5.6 0-60 and as low as 5.2, and 3: horsepower. Horsepower gets WAY too much attention. Power is nothing without control. If you have 8000HP at the wheels and you just sit there and bake your tires...big whoop....you're gunna get beat by a dump truck. There is SO MUCH MORE TO A CAR then how damn fast it can go in a straight line.
I don't know why the hell you're talking about the S7. COMPLETELY different kind of car...that should be compared to the Nissan Skyline...why you brought that up now is beyond me.
Saleen mustangs max out at 500HP? A) I REALLY hope not. That's not much. B) I seriously doubt that. If that is true, that's the most pathetic max I've EVER heard of. If you don't think a Nissan (bein aweful broad there...there are faster nissans out there then the Zs in question...) could smash a 500HP car, you're nieve.
I've seen the new mustang. It's still quite far off. There are so many things that could still change.
As far as seeing Cobras and steedas and blah blah blah...I do see them FAR more often (even living here in Kenfucky...even MORE SO when I lived in West Palm Beach, Fl) then, say, a MKIV TT Supra, RX7, VR4, etc. They're like damned bacteria. To top it all off, they're ugly as sin (not even talking about the hidious [sp] interior). But beauty is in the eye, right?
Z has trouble getting below 5.4........riiiiiiiight. The Z32 and the Z33 can be under that so easily. I've seen them around 4.3 for a fact and I know that that's not the fastest one out there, either. YOU'RE kidding YOURSELF if you think your $47,000 mustang could just walk away from a modded Z...and the Z would still cost less, get better gas mileage, AND look better.
As long as it doesn't sound like an annoying mosquito, who gives a damn what a car sounds like...most trivial damn thing ever...
1 thing that REALLY ANNOYS ME...everyone looks at the same 3 damn things...1 and 2: 0-60 and quarter mile. That's bullshit because these vary SO MUCH. Depends on ambient air temp, the driver, age of the car, fuel type, mods, track/ground conditions, tires used, etc. I've seen the stock Z32 (90-96, see sig) 300ZX TT quoted as high as 5.6 0-60 and as low as 5.2, and 3: horsepower. Horsepower gets WAY too much attention. Power is nothing without control. If you have 8000HP at the wheels and you just sit there and bake your tires...big whoop....you're gunna get beat by a dump truck. There is SO MUCH MORE TO A CAR then how damn fast it can go in a straight line.
I don't know why the hell you're talking about the S7. COMPLETELY different kind of car...that should be compared to the Nissan Skyline...why you brought that up now is beyond me.
Saleen mustangs max out at 500HP? A) I REALLY hope not. That's not much. B) I seriously doubt that. If that is true, that's the most pathetic max I've EVER heard of. If you don't think a Nissan (bein aweful broad there...there are faster nissans out there then the Zs in question...) could smash a 500HP car, you're nieve.
I've seen the new mustang. It's still quite far off. There are so many things that could still change.
As far as seeing Cobras and steedas and blah blah blah...I do see them FAR more often (even living here in Kenfucky...even MORE SO when I lived in West Palm Beach, Fl) then, say, a MKIV TT Supra, RX7, VR4, etc. They're like damned bacteria. To top it all off, they're ugly as sin (not even talking about the hidious [sp] interior). But beauty is in the eye, right?
Z has trouble getting below 5.4........riiiiiiiight. The Z32 and the Z33 can be under that so easily. I've seen them around 4.3 for a fact and I know that that's not the fastest one out there, either. YOU'RE kidding YOURSELF if you think your $47,000 mustang could just walk away from a modded Z...and the Z would still cost less, get better gas mileage, AND look better.
As long as it doesn't sound like an annoying mosquito, who gives a damn what a car sounds like...most trivial damn thing ever...
hottoddyo
10-24-2003, 10:40 AM
I couldn't have said it better myself. To tell everyone the truth, I could care a less about how fast I can go. I just love to look good and have people look at me in awe as I drive by!!! Cool shades - ON!
svtcobra007x
10-24-2003, 02:29 PM
Yea thats right you have to modify a Nissan Z to make it as fast as a Saleen. It doesn't have the power compared to the Saleen when it is sold at an auto place. The reason I brought up the S7 was because of its great performance and that they are consistent thoughout all the cars they make.
Also Im saying you can buy Saleens that max out at 500hp and over. I didnt say they just stop at 500hp because with a Nissan Z, you only start out with like 280 horses and theres only so much you can do to modify a car and it still wont be as fast as a Saleen. You can probably modify a Saleen, and it will be twice as fast as 2 modified Nissans put together. Yea thats overexaggerating but you get the point. Check this site out http://www.huntfordmercury.com/saleen.html Yea, the Saleen SR rules in every aspect.
And looks? You guys are crazy if you dont admit that the Saleen Mustangs are quite fancy. They are definitely not ugly. For god sakes the Saleen is just a better brand because they take cars and jazz them up to their full potential. I cant wait for Shelby to release their version of the 2005 Mustangs because then I can confirm that the Mustangs are just a hell of a lot better.
To sum this all up guys, I really wouldn't want a car that looks kinda like a hatchback and it just doesn't have the popularity like the Mustangs do. Oh and 1 more thing its not just the new cars we are talking about. Put a 1968 Shelby King Cobra Jet Mustang against a 2003 Nissan Z, damn your screwed.
2005 Mustang is far off huh?.....less then a year is not far off.........
Also Im saying you can buy Saleens that max out at 500hp and over. I didnt say they just stop at 500hp because with a Nissan Z, you only start out with like 280 horses and theres only so much you can do to modify a car and it still wont be as fast as a Saleen. You can probably modify a Saleen, and it will be twice as fast as 2 modified Nissans put together. Yea thats overexaggerating but you get the point. Check this site out http://www.huntfordmercury.com/saleen.html Yea, the Saleen SR rules in every aspect.
And looks? You guys are crazy if you dont admit that the Saleen Mustangs are quite fancy. They are definitely not ugly. For god sakes the Saleen is just a better brand because they take cars and jazz them up to their full potential. I cant wait for Shelby to release their version of the 2005 Mustangs because then I can confirm that the Mustangs are just a hell of a lot better.
To sum this all up guys, I really wouldn't want a car that looks kinda like a hatchback and it just doesn't have the popularity like the Mustangs do. Oh and 1 more thing its not just the new cars we are talking about. Put a 1968 Shelby King Cobra Jet Mustang against a 2003 Nissan Z, damn your screwed.
2005 Mustang is far off huh?.....less then a year is not far off.........
z33guy
10-24-2003, 06:13 PM
Disabled']Thanks for the information.............ehm...............are you working in pest control or something? :lol:
No just useless shit i pick up from people, i think its called school.
No just useless shit i pick up from people, i think its called school.
longlivetheZ
10-25-2003, 12:56 AM
Little more organized this time...thank you.
Of course I'm going to have to modify the Z....I'm competing with a modified mustang. That's all a Saleen is. Same with the SVT, Rousche [sp.], and Shelby stuff. They are just modified mustangs that you can buy at the dealer (I think you can buy the saleen and rousche [sp.] at the dealer......). The Z has MUCH more potential...just look at the 0-60 times....the STOCK Z has the 0-60 of ~5.4.....the STOCK mustang has 0-60 of ~6. I went and drove a Z today. That thing is damn fast already...not to mention that it handles amazingly (something the mustang sure as HELL can't say). I had the car salesman hanging on for dear life. I REALLY doubt you can further modify the Saleen. For the most part, it's a race car already.
Ok....looks are subjective. BUT......"mustang" and "fancy" do NOT belong in the same sentance EVER. They are on of the drabest, plainest, most boxy (.36 CD....a BOX, in otherwords...compared to the Z .29...Z has less drag then the damn PORSCHE 911 at .31!!!) newer cars out there right now.
Holy SHIT man.....that SR is the most God aweful thing ever...ok...that one could probably pass for "fancy"....blargh. Bet it costs a shit load more then a regular Saleen, too.
*AHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA.......after further research: "The retail price for the Saleen SR starts at $150,000."* --SALEEN WEBSITE For that much, go buy a true supercar like a Porsche 993 or Ferrari [sp.]....
The new mustangs aren't going to be out until mid next year, man....not exactly tomorrow....
To sum this all up guys, I really wouldn't want a car that looks kinda like a hatchback and it just doesn't have the popularity like the Mustangs do.
I think I've kinda figured you out...you don't like cars because of what they are or what they can be...you like them because they're popular or because you like the way they look. You probably think the sound is really important, too....
Z's aren't only beautiful...they're true sports cars in every sense of the term (braking, handling, aerodynamics, technology...not JUST 0-60 and 1/4 mile times...) for the right price.
How old are you?
Of course I'm going to have to modify the Z....I'm competing with a modified mustang. That's all a Saleen is. Same with the SVT, Rousche [sp.], and Shelby stuff. They are just modified mustangs that you can buy at the dealer (I think you can buy the saleen and rousche [sp.] at the dealer......). The Z has MUCH more potential...just look at the 0-60 times....the STOCK Z has the 0-60 of ~5.4.....the STOCK mustang has 0-60 of ~6. I went and drove a Z today. That thing is damn fast already...not to mention that it handles amazingly (something the mustang sure as HELL can't say). I had the car salesman hanging on for dear life. I REALLY doubt you can further modify the Saleen. For the most part, it's a race car already.
Ok....looks are subjective. BUT......"mustang" and "fancy" do NOT belong in the same sentance EVER. They are on of the drabest, plainest, most boxy (.36 CD....a BOX, in otherwords...compared to the Z .29...Z has less drag then the damn PORSCHE 911 at .31!!!) newer cars out there right now.
Holy SHIT man.....that SR is the most God aweful thing ever...ok...that one could probably pass for "fancy"....blargh. Bet it costs a shit load more then a regular Saleen, too.
*AHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA.......after further research: "The retail price for the Saleen SR starts at $150,000."* --SALEEN WEBSITE For that much, go buy a true supercar like a Porsche 993 or Ferrari [sp.]....
The new mustangs aren't going to be out until mid next year, man....not exactly tomorrow....
To sum this all up guys, I really wouldn't want a car that looks kinda like a hatchback and it just doesn't have the popularity like the Mustangs do.
I think I've kinda figured you out...you don't like cars because of what they are or what they can be...you like them because they're popular or because you like the way they look. You probably think the sound is really important, too....
Z's aren't only beautiful...they're true sports cars in every sense of the term (braking, handling, aerodynamics, technology...not JUST 0-60 and 1/4 mile times...) for the right price.
How old are you?
svtcobra007x
10-26-2003, 01:11 PM
Well Saleens are not just for racing , you know they're street legal. But yea the Mustang GT probably has something around 6 seconds for 0-60. Its kinda hard to compare these different types of cars considering the fact that the Mustangs are made by all sorts of brands yet Nissan is made by one. Ford breaks it into the regular Mustang, the GT, the Cobra, and the (Cobra R which I never really mentioned but its a fast mutha). Then you go into the categories of Saleen, Steeda, and Rousche, which are broken into different subcategories also. Do I think the Nissan handles better than the Mustang, probably yea. But do I think that the best Mustang out there is faster than the Z, probably also.
I tend to like American cars more than foreign cars. Foreign cars usually have high priced parts and some of those parts are extremely hard to find which I have heard about from people. Nissans are made in Japan and I wouldn't want to drive in an overpriced jap crap car, but then again, thats just me(even though the Z's cheap already).
Im not going to bash your dream car because that is your preference. I like Mustangs because they have always been bad ass cars, especially the Shelby GT-500 in "Gone in Sixty Seconds". I see mid next year not long in the future, maybe not tomorrow, but definitely not far off. I like how their making it look like the GT-500, it gives it a flashback look.
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/2/web/278000-278999/278869_7.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/2/web/278000-278999/278869_1.jpg
Probably not as old as you but old enough to know about this shit.
I tend to like American cars more than foreign cars. Foreign cars usually have high priced parts and some of those parts are extremely hard to find which I have heard about from people. Nissans are made in Japan and I wouldn't want to drive in an overpriced jap crap car, but then again, thats just me(even though the Z's cheap already).
Im not going to bash your dream car because that is your preference. I like Mustangs because they have always been bad ass cars, especially the Shelby GT-500 in "Gone in Sixty Seconds". I see mid next year not long in the future, maybe not tomorrow, but definitely not far off. I like how their making it look like the GT-500, it gives it a flashback look.
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/2/web/278000-278999/278869_7.jpg
http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/2/web/278000-278999/278869_1.jpg
Probably not as old as you but old enough to know about this shit.
longlivetheZ
10-26-2003, 11:38 PM
Well Saleens are not just for racing , you know they're street legal.
........of.......course........I..........knew.... ....that............
But yea the Mustang GT probably has something around 6 seconds for 0-60.
Check www.jbcarpages.com GT 0-60 = 6 sec.
Its kinda hard to compare these different types of cars...
Why's that? You don't seem to mind comparing a STOCK Z to an modded SVT Cobra, Steeda, or Cobra R....
As for the Cobra R...(specs: www.rapidcars.com/cobrarspec.html
Gen info: http://www.yellowmustangregistry.com/CobraR.htm):
Specs:
Price: $54,000...damn near twice the Z
0-60: 4.4...damn fast.
Gen Info:
Lowered suspention and added ground effects...looks cool...good on the track....have fun with driveways and speedbumps...
No radio or A/C...fun fun....
300 built for 2000 model year...
Bottom line...yea it's fast...IT'S A FUCKING RACE CAR....that's even FURTHER beyond comparing the Z to the SVT or Steeda or what ever other modded mustang...Plus it's expensive as hell PLUS it's horribly impractical [sp.] to drive on the roads regularly...PLUS....it's all irrelevant anyway.....CUZ YOU CAN'T FIND EM.
Do I think the Nissan handles better than the Mustang, probably yea.
Yup...GT Lat G's: .82g Z: .89g (jbcarpages.com)
But do I think that the best Mustang out there is faster than the Z, probably also.
Wrong again...GT 0-60: ~6 sec.....Z: ~5.4 sec....Z wins.
GT top speed: 139......Z: 156 Z wins. (jbcarpages.com)
The SVT's top speed is electronically limited to 155...most likely because it's geared really short (for fast acceleration but no top end....resulting in the <5 sec 0-60) so they did that so people aren't imploding engines left and right by running into the rev limiter trying to hit 160...
I tend to like American cars more than foreign cars.
Which is why you're too dumb to realize that the next statement is completely obsurd...
Foreign cars usually have high priced parts and some of those parts are extremely hard to find which I have heard about from people. Nissans are made in Japan and I wouldn't want to drive in an overpriced jap crap car, but then again, thats just me(even though the Z's cheap already).
Don't be an idiot...take your head out of your ass. It's 2003...not 1973...you can get any damn part you want. Also, It's not a damn PORSCHE...it's a NISSAN...it's a pretty common car. Parts are everywhere for it. I got a free alternator for my old 1986 300ZX when it went out from some GUY my DAD KNEW...so hard to find.......riiiiiiight.
Overpriced? Riiiiiiiight....a stock, run of the mill Z (even the Z32's from the mid/early 90's as in my sig) would smash any old, ordinary, run of the mill mustang. Even the V8 GT...which is PRETTY damn pathetic...
The Shelby GT rocks.....that car's bad as hell...gotta love the classics. The new mustang doesn't look too bad...not yet at least. I like the throwback to the 70's era mustangs...back when they were cool and somewhat original.
The mustang you posted pics of...that's a pretty nice car...too bad it's a rip for the money.
Old enough? What....16? Sound like you're 16. However, I must commend you on your determination. I show you up every time in every way. You just refuse to believe that the mustang is an inferior car. I still have plenty to go, so just keep coming...I haven't even had to go into how lame the V8 the GT uses is. Damn SOHC....weeeeeeeak. My 1986 300ZX was SOHC. SOHC V8...live rear axle...get with the times, Ford...the only way you get anything worth a damn is to shell out a pretty hefty chunk of money. That extra money spent could be put to MUCH better use in a Z or many other cars. Hell...you can get a Corvette for the price of an SVT.
Give up.....you're fighting an un-win-able battle.
........of.......course........I..........knew.... ....that............
But yea the Mustang GT probably has something around 6 seconds for 0-60.
Check www.jbcarpages.com GT 0-60 = 6 sec.
Its kinda hard to compare these different types of cars...
Why's that? You don't seem to mind comparing a STOCK Z to an modded SVT Cobra, Steeda, or Cobra R....
As for the Cobra R...(specs: www.rapidcars.com/cobrarspec.html
Gen info: http://www.yellowmustangregistry.com/CobraR.htm):
Specs:
Price: $54,000...damn near twice the Z
0-60: 4.4...damn fast.
Gen Info:
Lowered suspention and added ground effects...looks cool...good on the track....have fun with driveways and speedbumps...
No radio or A/C...fun fun....
300 built for 2000 model year...
Bottom line...yea it's fast...IT'S A FUCKING RACE CAR....that's even FURTHER beyond comparing the Z to the SVT or Steeda or what ever other modded mustang...Plus it's expensive as hell PLUS it's horribly impractical [sp.] to drive on the roads regularly...PLUS....it's all irrelevant anyway.....CUZ YOU CAN'T FIND EM.
Do I think the Nissan handles better than the Mustang, probably yea.
Yup...GT Lat G's: .82g Z: .89g (jbcarpages.com)
But do I think that the best Mustang out there is faster than the Z, probably also.
Wrong again...GT 0-60: ~6 sec.....Z: ~5.4 sec....Z wins.
GT top speed: 139......Z: 156 Z wins. (jbcarpages.com)
The SVT's top speed is electronically limited to 155...most likely because it's geared really short (for fast acceleration but no top end....resulting in the <5 sec 0-60) so they did that so people aren't imploding engines left and right by running into the rev limiter trying to hit 160...
I tend to like American cars more than foreign cars.
Which is why you're too dumb to realize that the next statement is completely obsurd...
Foreign cars usually have high priced parts and some of those parts are extremely hard to find which I have heard about from people. Nissans are made in Japan and I wouldn't want to drive in an overpriced jap crap car, but then again, thats just me(even though the Z's cheap already).
Don't be an idiot...take your head out of your ass. It's 2003...not 1973...you can get any damn part you want. Also, It's not a damn PORSCHE...it's a NISSAN...it's a pretty common car. Parts are everywhere for it. I got a free alternator for my old 1986 300ZX when it went out from some GUY my DAD KNEW...so hard to find.......riiiiiiight.
Overpriced? Riiiiiiiight....a stock, run of the mill Z (even the Z32's from the mid/early 90's as in my sig) would smash any old, ordinary, run of the mill mustang. Even the V8 GT...which is PRETTY damn pathetic...
The Shelby GT rocks.....that car's bad as hell...gotta love the classics. The new mustang doesn't look too bad...not yet at least. I like the throwback to the 70's era mustangs...back when they were cool and somewhat original.
The mustang you posted pics of...that's a pretty nice car...too bad it's a rip for the money.
Old enough? What....16? Sound like you're 16. However, I must commend you on your determination. I show you up every time in every way. You just refuse to believe that the mustang is an inferior car. I still have plenty to go, so just keep coming...I haven't even had to go into how lame the V8 the GT uses is. Damn SOHC....weeeeeeeak. My 1986 300ZX was SOHC. SOHC V8...live rear axle...get with the times, Ford...the only way you get anything worth a damn is to shell out a pretty hefty chunk of money. That extra money spent could be put to MUCH better use in a Z or many other cars. Hell...you can get a Corvette for the price of an SVT.
Give up.....you're fighting an un-win-able battle.
svtcobra007x
10-27-2003, 02:25 PM
Me give it up? There is no way in hell im going to let a Nissan diehard try to defend his POS car against a Mustang. Mustangs rule the US and leave the Z's in the dust. The Mustangs have been around longer and there name will keep going on.
And you keep mentioning the god damn handling on a Z compared to the Mustang. You are just trying to find one damn error in the Mustang so you can rub it in my face. I know the Saleen's can handle well and are not as bad as you think. Your arguments really don't make sense.
The stock Z and the stock Mustang do not compare to each other. Put another Jap crap Nissan against the GT. The Z should really compare to the Cobra since they cost in more of the price range but hell, Cobra stills kicks ass.
Come on give me something more than a stock Z, what is the highest class for the Z, or in your case, MODDED. How much more power can you actually put into a Z, I would really like to know, theres only so much you can do with a V6. Because looking at a 287 V6 horsepower car, why would someone want to pay about $26000(overpriced) when you could get a 2003 Cobra for $30000 with 390 horses in a V8. Explain that to me.
And please don't compare your Z32's against the older standard Mustang V8's. Why dont you compare a Mach 1 or a Boss Mustang against a Z32. Ford didn't make the GTs all powerful back then, they had different classes and even today, but 260 horses is good for a standard 2003 GT at about $22,000. You cant compare a Z32 against an old standard V8 Mustang.
And you keep mentioning the god damn handling on a Z compared to the Mustang. You are just trying to find one damn error in the Mustang so you can rub it in my face. I know the Saleen's can handle well and are not as bad as you think. Your arguments really don't make sense.
The stock Z and the stock Mustang do not compare to each other. Put another Jap crap Nissan against the GT. The Z should really compare to the Cobra since they cost in more of the price range but hell, Cobra stills kicks ass.
Come on give me something more than a stock Z, what is the highest class for the Z, or in your case, MODDED. How much more power can you actually put into a Z, I would really like to know, theres only so much you can do with a V6. Because looking at a 287 V6 horsepower car, why would someone want to pay about $26000(overpriced) when you could get a 2003 Cobra for $30000 with 390 horses in a V8. Explain that to me.
And please don't compare your Z32's against the older standard Mustang V8's. Why dont you compare a Mach 1 or a Boss Mustang against a Z32. Ford didn't make the GTs all powerful back then, they had different classes and even today, but 260 horses is good for a standard 2003 GT at about $22,000. You cant compare a Z32 against an old standard V8 Mustang.
longlivetheZ
10-28-2003, 12:57 AM
There is no way in hell im going to let a Nissan diehard try to defend his POS car against a Mustang. Mustangs rule the US and leave the Z's in the dust. The Mustangs have been around longer and there name will keep going on.
You don't even want to compare the Nissan Skyline to the cobra...and that's an inline 6...
You're calling the Z a POS.......my God......you're dumber then I thought.....you can't call the Z a pos, even if you don't like them. Ok....you dumb ass....research things before you make dumb statements. I looked on the internet for 5 min and found out that the mustang was only out for 5 damn years before the Z. Boy......that's a long time. The Z sold 500,000 units faster then ANY OTHER CAR IN HISTORY. Even your damn mustang. The Z won TEN CONSECUTIVE SCCA titles. Go to this link (http://search.lycos.com/default.asp?lpv=1&loc=searchhp&tab=web&query=1960+spl212) for the complete history....the Z won just about every damn title and/or championship of the time.
And you keep mentioning the god damn handling on a Z compared to the Mustang. You are just trying to find one damn error in the Mustang so you can rub it in my face. I know the Saleen's can handle well and are not as bad as you think. Your arguments really don't make sense because why the hell would someone want to do 40mph around a turn. No one gives a shit about the turning unless your a speed demon asshole or a racer.
Oh..........my...............God............that's the stupidest statement I've ever heard. I'm going to put that in my sig, it's so funny. Why would someone want to corner well.....because they like to drive!! Because they like the feel of a good, solid, performance car. That was the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say...You've gotta be 16 or something...either that or you act like it. Saying "why would someone want to corner well" when buying a sports car is like saying "why would someone want to carry stuff" when buying a truck....dumbest thing I've ever heard. A better question is, why do so many people like to just go straight? Roads aren't straight...what good is it to be able to go mach 2 down a drag strip, but you have to drive your "sports car" like a grandma around town cuz it handles like butt.
The stock Z and the stock Mustang do not compare to each other. Put another Jap crap Nissan against the GT. The Z should really compare to the Cobra since they cost in more of the price range but hell, Cobra stills kicks ass.
Of course you're going to say that...it's the only mustang that doesn't blow ass. Why aren't we comparing the Z (NA V6) the the normal mustang (NA V6)?...that's perfectly fair. I should end it there. Hell...even the V6 mustang has a larger engine then the Z. You can't even beat it with 2 more cylinders...you have to add forced induction.
If I should so decide to even up the odds some, they make superchargers and turbo kits for the Z. I already beat the holy HELL out of the V6, which is approx 300cc LARGER then the Z's engine, the GT which has 2 fucking CYLINDERS on me...damn man...you need a larger handicap STILL??!!?? You have to go FURTHER and SUPERCHARGE the damn thing to be able to beat me. Pathetic.
Come on give me something more than a stock Z, what is the highest class for the Z, or in your case, MODDED. How much more power can you actually put into a Z, I would really like to know, theres only so much you can do with a V6.
Ok.....check this out. The cobra's supercharged V8 puts out 84.8 horsepower per liter of displacement. The Z's normally aspirated V6 puts out 82 horsepower per liter. That's damn lame that a supercharged V8 puts out a mere 2.8 more hp/liter then a normally aspirated V6. You think that the VQ (the engine in the Z) is maxed out? You're waaaaaaay wrong. I've already heard of one with a TT kit on it that has over 400 to the wheels. The car's still quite new so the aftermarket companies are still developing things for the engine. I gurantee that if you put that TTZ33 up against the Cobra or whatever else you'd like, it would be an extrememly formidable competitor, if not the winner....even if we don't turn....turn...turn....turn......what's that....you idiot.
Speaking of the VQ:
"The Steelers of the 1970s. The Forty-Niners of the 1980s. The Yankees of any decade. Michael Schumacher. The Red Wings.
Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.'s “VQ” V-6 is beginning to approach the point where we're comfortable mentioning it in the same company. A dynasty."
--Ward's Top Ten Engines artical
...it's been named to Ward's Top Ten Engine list 9 years in a row. It's also the ONLY ENGINE to EVER do so. Oh wait...I must have missed something....I don't see the mustang's engine in it at ALL...imagine that....cuz it's lame.
Because looking at a 287 V6 horsepower car, why would someone want to pay about $26000(overpriced) when you could get a 2003 Cobra for $30000 with 390 horses in a V8. Explain that to me.
Because not everyone is as amazingly idiotic as you. Some people know what a good car is. In the Z's review, the editors at JBCarpages could not go more then a paragraph without saying something good about the Z. I read the Mustang's review...they didn't say ONE GOOD THING about it. It's just an average car, at best. People might buy the Z because they love to drive...or they may buy it because they know it is a phenomenal car with a phenomenal engine with the potential to be a painfully fast car....in every way...not just in a straight line. They may buy it because it's unique...something the mustang won't ever be able to say. Overpriced is your oppinion because it's not so fast in a straight line...yet you're still too dumb to realize what the word potential means. I don't know where you're going to find a $30,000 cobra...list price is $47,000 there, buddy.
And please don't compare your Z32's against the older standard Mustang V8's. Why dont you compare a Mach 1 or a Boss Mustang against a Z32. Ford didn't make the GTs all powerful back then, they had different classes and even today, but 260 horses is good for a standard 2003 GT at about $22,000. You cant compare a Z32 against an old standard V8 Mustang.
Ehhh....I wasn't comparing the Z32 against the older mustangs...I was comparing it to the new one and the Cobra. The GT's aren't all powerful NOW. They put out less power then the Z's V6!! And again, you're saying I can't compare a standard Z against a standard mustang. Why not?! You're only saying that because you know the Mustang needs a handicap to compete.
Give it up already...your p.o.s. mustang won't even beat the Z in a fair match...
You don't even want to compare the Nissan Skyline to the cobra...and that's an inline 6...
You're calling the Z a POS.......my God......you're dumber then I thought.....you can't call the Z a pos, even if you don't like them. Ok....you dumb ass....research things before you make dumb statements. I looked on the internet for 5 min and found out that the mustang was only out for 5 damn years before the Z. Boy......that's a long time. The Z sold 500,000 units faster then ANY OTHER CAR IN HISTORY. Even your damn mustang. The Z won TEN CONSECUTIVE SCCA titles. Go to this link (http://search.lycos.com/default.asp?lpv=1&loc=searchhp&tab=web&query=1960+spl212) for the complete history....the Z won just about every damn title and/or championship of the time.
And you keep mentioning the god damn handling on a Z compared to the Mustang. You are just trying to find one damn error in the Mustang so you can rub it in my face. I know the Saleen's can handle well and are not as bad as you think. Your arguments really don't make sense because why the hell would someone want to do 40mph around a turn. No one gives a shit about the turning unless your a speed demon asshole or a racer.
Oh..........my...............God............that's the stupidest statement I've ever heard. I'm going to put that in my sig, it's so funny. Why would someone want to corner well.....because they like to drive!! Because they like the feel of a good, solid, performance car. That was the stupidest thing I've ever heard anyone say...You've gotta be 16 or something...either that or you act like it. Saying "why would someone want to corner well" when buying a sports car is like saying "why would someone want to carry stuff" when buying a truck....dumbest thing I've ever heard. A better question is, why do so many people like to just go straight? Roads aren't straight...what good is it to be able to go mach 2 down a drag strip, but you have to drive your "sports car" like a grandma around town cuz it handles like butt.
The stock Z and the stock Mustang do not compare to each other. Put another Jap crap Nissan against the GT. The Z should really compare to the Cobra since they cost in more of the price range but hell, Cobra stills kicks ass.
Of course you're going to say that...it's the only mustang that doesn't blow ass. Why aren't we comparing the Z (NA V6) the the normal mustang (NA V6)?...that's perfectly fair. I should end it there. Hell...even the V6 mustang has a larger engine then the Z. You can't even beat it with 2 more cylinders...you have to add forced induction.
If I should so decide to even up the odds some, they make superchargers and turbo kits for the Z. I already beat the holy HELL out of the V6, which is approx 300cc LARGER then the Z's engine, the GT which has 2 fucking CYLINDERS on me...damn man...you need a larger handicap STILL??!!?? You have to go FURTHER and SUPERCHARGE the damn thing to be able to beat me. Pathetic.
Come on give me something more than a stock Z, what is the highest class for the Z, or in your case, MODDED. How much more power can you actually put into a Z, I would really like to know, theres only so much you can do with a V6.
Ok.....check this out. The cobra's supercharged V8 puts out 84.8 horsepower per liter of displacement. The Z's normally aspirated V6 puts out 82 horsepower per liter. That's damn lame that a supercharged V8 puts out a mere 2.8 more hp/liter then a normally aspirated V6. You think that the VQ (the engine in the Z) is maxed out? You're waaaaaaay wrong. I've already heard of one with a TT kit on it that has over 400 to the wheels. The car's still quite new so the aftermarket companies are still developing things for the engine. I gurantee that if you put that TTZ33 up against the Cobra or whatever else you'd like, it would be an extrememly formidable competitor, if not the winner....even if we don't turn....turn...turn....turn......what's that....you idiot.
Speaking of the VQ:
"The Steelers of the 1970s. The Forty-Niners of the 1980s. The Yankees of any decade. Michael Schumacher. The Red Wings.
Nissan Motor Co. Ltd.'s “VQ” V-6 is beginning to approach the point where we're comfortable mentioning it in the same company. A dynasty."
--Ward's Top Ten Engines artical
...it's been named to Ward's Top Ten Engine list 9 years in a row. It's also the ONLY ENGINE to EVER do so. Oh wait...I must have missed something....I don't see the mustang's engine in it at ALL...imagine that....cuz it's lame.
Because looking at a 287 V6 horsepower car, why would someone want to pay about $26000(overpriced) when you could get a 2003 Cobra for $30000 with 390 horses in a V8. Explain that to me.
Because not everyone is as amazingly idiotic as you. Some people know what a good car is. In the Z's review, the editors at JBCarpages could not go more then a paragraph without saying something good about the Z. I read the Mustang's review...they didn't say ONE GOOD THING about it. It's just an average car, at best. People might buy the Z because they love to drive...or they may buy it because they know it is a phenomenal car with a phenomenal engine with the potential to be a painfully fast car....in every way...not just in a straight line. They may buy it because it's unique...something the mustang won't ever be able to say. Overpriced is your oppinion because it's not so fast in a straight line...yet you're still too dumb to realize what the word potential means. I don't know where you're going to find a $30,000 cobra...list price is $47,000 there, buddy.
And please don't compare your Z32's against the older standard Mustang V8's. Why dont you compare a Mach 1 or a Boss Mustang against a Z32. Ford didn't make the GTs all powerful back then, they had different classes and even today, but 260 horses is good for a standard 2003 GT at about $22,000. You cant compare a Z32 against an old standard V8 Mustang.
Ehhh....I wasn't comparing the Z32 against the older mustangs...I was comparing it to the new one and the Cobra. The GT's aren't all powerful NOW. They put out less power then the Z's V6!! And again, you're saying I can't compare a standard Z against a standard mustang. Why not?! You're only saying that because you know the Mustang needs a handicap to compete.
Give it up already...your p.o.s. mustang won't even beat the Z in a fair match...
longlivetheZ
10-28-2003, 01:02 AM
If you want out of my sig, you must first bow down to the Z. Until then, all 104,930 members of automotiveforums.com gets to laugh at your dumb ass.
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:banhim:
svtcobra007x
10-28-2003, 02:10 PM
U know nothing about Cobras considering the fact that they go for around $30000 not $47000, thats a Saleen price. The Cobra R goes for around $57000.
http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/details/ford03svtmustangcobra/model_overview.html?refsrc=autos/make
When I was referring to turns I was referring to turning into a block or a neighborhood. I wasnt even thinking about curves on the road you asshole. Who gives a shit about curves, Mustangs handle them no problem. You are bullshitting your Nissan so much because it doesn't have any potential against a Mustang. Test your modded Z to a Rousch, a Steeda, or a fucking Saleen and you will still find the Z to be all powerless. Thoses Z's look like POS's when I see them on the road. They are so god damn small that one small accident is going to most likely cost a fortune to repair.
Yea the Nissan makers give you no bang for your buck. They charge you an arm and a leg for looks and how convenient it is inside. Ford on the other hand gives you the bang for your buck, not a dinky inline 6 but a V8 with power.
Go out and mod your damn Z(who knows how much that will cost), but at least Ford, Steeda, Rousche, and Saleen, take the time so you dont need to mod it by yourself, they fork out enough power against your weak Z. Why cant you understand the performance? It is clearly stated that the Saleen can do 0-60 in 4.0 seconds and clocks out at about 200 mph. The Cobra can do about 4.9 seconds in 0-60 and the Steeda and Rousche, which you dont even want to know, are bats out of hell. Your Z can hardly get past 5 seconds and its top speed is nothing compared to the Stangs. You cant beat it even if you mod your Z to the max.
You know my posts in this forum were going to end on the first page when people were agreeing with me that the Stang had more power and the Z was more than just power, it was the name that had run through the family. But then you came along criticizing the Stang left and right, trying to convince me the Z had more power, but technically your wrong. Criticizing is not the answer man, its the truth that matters. But dont worry, when the 2005 Mustang comes out, probably going to pump out 400 horses under the hood with the GT and God knows how much with the Shelby, your criticizing better come to an end. Better hope Nissan even attempts to mod the Z a bit, because its really sad right now.
You are so pathetic. Why put a statement that I said into your sig when I clearly didn't mean what you were talking about. Think before you act you jackass.
Ford owns all: Ford GT, Mustangs, Thunderbirds, Jaguars
http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/details/ford03svtmustangcobra/model_overview.html?refsrc=autos/make
When I was referring to turns I was referring to turning into a block or a neighborhood. I wasnt even thinking about curves on the road you asshole. Who gives a shit about curves, Mustangs handle them no problem. You are bullshitting your Nissan so much because it doesn't have any potential against a Mustang. Test your modded Z to a Rousch, a Steeda, or a fucking Saleen and you will still find the Z to be all powerless. Thoses Z's look like POS's when I see them on the road. They are so god damn small that one small accident is going to most likely cost a fortune to repair.
Yea the Nissan makers give you no bang for your buck. They charge you an arm and a leg for looks and how convenient it is inside. Ford on the other hand gives you the bang for your buck, not a dinky inline 6 but a V8 with power.
Go out and mod your damn Z(who knows how much that will cost), but at least Ford, Steeda, Rousche, and Saleen, take the time so you dont need to mod it by yourself, they fork out enough power against your weak Z. Why cant you understand the performance? It is clearly stated that the Saleen can do 0-60 in 4.0 seconds and clocks out at about 200 mph. The Cobra can do about 4.9 seconds in 0-60 and the Steeda and Rousche, which you dont even want to know, are bats out of hell. Your Z can hardly get past 5 seconds and its top speed is nothing compared to the Stangs. You cant beat it even if you mod your Z to the max.
You know my posts in this forum were going to end on the first page when people were agreeing with me that the Stang had more power and the Z was more than just power, it was the name that had run through the family. But then you came along criticizing the Stang left and right, trying to convince me the Z had more power, but technically your wrong. Criticizing is not the answer man, its the truth that matters. But dont worry, when the 2005 Mustang comes out, probably going to pump out 400 horses under the hood with the GT and God knows how much with the Shelby, your criticizing better come to an end. Better hope Nissan even attempts to mod the Z a bit, because its really sad right now.
You are so pathetic. Why put a statement that I said into your sig when I clearly didn't mean what you were talking about. Think before you act you jackass.
Ford owns all: Ford GT, Mustangs, Thunderbirds, Jaguars
longlivetheZ
10-28-2003, 03:22 PM
The Saleen S281E is over $61,000.
I'm not going to write a huge thing right now. I'll do that later tonight. I'm going to keep it short because I'm going to my girlfriend's. I hope to get another guy from the message board to join this arguement. He is the guy with the TT 350Z that I was telling you about. I was just talking to him on AIM about his car. He's running 12.17 in the 1/4. That beats the Cobra's 12.8 (www.jbcarpages.com) by more then a little as well as best 1/4 mile time out of the entire Saleen line (12.5 by the Saleen Extremem Coupe. Info from the Saleen web page. www.saleen.com). There ya go. Stock, I beat the holy shit out of your stock V6, kicked your stock V8's ass. Then I put on the TT and even made a mess of your best Cobra and Saleen....with just a TTV6. You don't stand a chance. I'll send him the link to this thread when I talk to him again so he can post too. I'll finish this later, but until then, suck on this:
Supercharged SMZ 350Z specs released: At least 354 horsepower at the wheels on just 5.7 psi of boost. That's less boost then the Cobra's 8 psi. With the intercooler, I can up the boost even more to 8 or 9 psi giving me near 500hp at the wheels.
I'm not going to write a huge thing right now. I'll do that later tonight. I'm going to keep it short because I'm going to my girlfriend's. I hope to get another guy from the message board to join this arguement. He is the guy with the TT 350Z that I was telling you about. I was just talking to him on AIM about his car. He's running 12.17 in the 1/4. That beats the Cobra's 12.8 (www.jbcarpages.com) by more then a little as well as best 1/4 mile time out of the entire Saleen line (12.5 by the Saleen Extremem Coupe. Info from the Saleen web page. www.saleen.com). There ya go. Stock, I beat the holy shit out of your stock V6, kicked your stock V8's ass. Then I put on the TT and even made a mess of your best Cobra and Saleen....with just a TTV6. You don't stand a chance. I'll send him the link to this thread when I talk to him again so he can post too. I'll finish this later, but until then, suck on this:
Supercharged SMZ 350Z specs released: At least 354 horsepower at the wheels on just 5.7 psi of boost. That's less boost then the Cobra's 8 psi. With the intercooler, I can up the boost even more to 8 or 9 psi giving me near 500hp at the wheels.
svtcobra007x
10-28-2003, 04:18 PM
I have always loved Mustangs because there is just something about them. You like the Z because there is something unique about it that makes you want to drive it all the time. Whatever the stats are who cares, they are both fast cars that accelerate at a rate that should satisfy the consumers. The reason I was arguing because I didnt want the Mustang to be given a bad name because it doesnt deserve that. Lets at least discuss this in a non criticizing way.
I just read your last post. What about the Saleen SR? http://www.saleen.com/auto/SR/srperformance.html
11.8 seconds 1/4 mile
I think that competes with the TT 350Z. Be careful when you say entire Saleen line...that could include the S7....
And what about the Rousche and the Steeda?
I just read your last post. What about the Saleen SR? http://www.saleen.com/auto/SR/srperformance.html
11.8 seconds 1/4 mile
I think that competes with the TT 350Z. Be careful when you say entire Saleen line...that could include the S7....
And what about the Rousche and the Steeda?
longlivetheZ
10-29-2003, 12:01 AM
I just read your last post. What about the Saleen SR? http://www.saleen.com/auto/SR/srperformance.html
11.8 seconds 1/4 mile
I think that competes with the TT 350Z. Be careful when you say entire Saleen line...that could include the S7....
And what about the Rousche and the Steeda?
I wasn't including the SR and S7 because those, more so in the S7's case then the SR's case, waved bye bye to the mustang loooooong ago. Point being, they don't really even qualify as mustangs anymore and are in a COMPLETELY different class. Those are cars that we will probably never even see, no ever be able to afford. Damn SR is almost $160,000 and the S7 is near $400,000 and no where even near a mustang. How you can compare those to a ~$30,000 Z is completely beyond me. You clearly don't understand the "apples to apples" saying when it comes to camparing cars. If you're going to compare a Z to the S7, then you might as well compare the Porsche 993 to the new Camaro while you're at it. However...despite the S7's insane price and class, it uses the same coil on plug type of ignition system as the Z.
As for the Rouche (no "s") and Steeda shit goes......I couldn't find a damn thing as far as specs go for either of them, especially Rouche.
The thing that really annoys me is how everyone thinks that the mustang is the greatest car ever. The cars are so bland, low tech, low quality, and over rated that it makes me want to shoot something. The V6 can't hold it's own against a stock Civic, I could keep up with the GT in my stock, 20 year old, normally aspirated V6 300ZX. The mustang can't even hold a candle to the Z's of past or present with multiple advantages. They are incredibly inferior cars in every way.
I love the Z because it is a high tech (every trim comes stock with carbon fiber drive shaft, 6 speed trans, automatic climate control, electronic brakeforce distribution, coil on plug ignition, drive by wire throttle, etc), affordably priced, comfortable, economical (certified low emissions vehicle), practical (you can comfortably drive it every day), amazing performer with phenomenal potential. The only thing that the mustang has going for it is that they're cheap....and you get what you pay for.
Dollar for dollar, the Z will always completely dominate the mustang.
11.8 seconds 1/4 mile
I think that competes with the TT 350Z. Be careful when you say entire Saleen line...that could include the S7....
And what about the Rousche and the Steeda?
I wasn't including the SR and S7 because those, more so in the S7's case then the SR's case, waved bye bye to the mustang loooooong ago. Point being, they don't really even qualify as mustangs anymore and are in a COMPLETELY different class. Those are cars that we will probably never even see, no ever be able to afford. Damn SR is almost $160,000 and the S7 is near $400,000 and no where even near a mustang. How you can compare those to a ~$30,000 Z is completely beyond me. You clearly don't understand the "apples to apples" saying when it comes to camparing cars. If you're going to compare a Z to the S7, then you might as well compare the Porsche 993 to the new Camaro while you're at it. However...despite the S7's insane price and class, it uses the same coil on plug type of ignition system as the Z.
As for the Rouche (no "s") and Steeda shit goes......I couldn't find a damn thing as far as specs go for either of them, especially Rouche.
The thing that really annoys me is how everyone thinks that the mustang is the greatest car ever. The cars are so bland, low tech, low quality, and over rated that it makes me want to shoot something. The V6 can't hold it's own against a stock Civic, I could keep up with the GT in my stock, 20 year old, normally aspirated V6 300ZX. The mustang can't even hold a candle to the Z's of past or present with multiple advantages. They are incredibly inferior cars in every way.
I love the Z because it is a high tech (every trim comes stock with carbon fiber drive shaft, 6 speed trans, automatic climate control, electronic brakeforce distribution, coil on plug ignition, drive by wire throttle, etc), affordably priced, comfortable, economical (certified low emissions vehicle), practical (you can comfortably drive it every day), amazing performer with phenomenal potential. The only thing that the mustang has going for it is that they're cheap....and you get what you pay for.
Dollar for dollar, the Z will always completely dominate the mustang.
svtcobra007x
10-29-2003, 02:17 PM
If you want my opinion I think the Nissan is great in some aspects while the Mustang is not. But the Mustang is also great in some aspects while the Z is not. I dont want to go technical because this could lead to long term arguments. Ill say one technicality about each of them that the other one doesnt have. The Mustangs do tend to be unreliable cars when it comes to breaking down(especially the older models like the late 80's, early 90's. The Z's problem is that the room inside the car is extremely small that vacations are out of the question.
They are changing the Mustang model, so maybe your thinking of low tech, overrated, low quality, and bland will change. http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/concept/s197/#quarter
The SR is definitely hard to tell if its Mustang, but the body and especially the rear, look the same. The S7 is basically Saleens stand alone model.
Come one man get that sig line out of your posts. Its actually quite offensive that you put my name on each one of your posts when I didn't say what you thought I said. I just didnt word it right. I would never want to report you for that so lets keep it cool.
They are changing the Mustang model, so maybe your thinking of low tech, overrated, low quality, and bland will change. http://bradbarnett.net/mustangs/concept/s197/#quarter
The SR is definitely hard to tell if its Mustang, but the body and especially the rear, look the same. The S7 is basically Saleens stand alone model.
Come one man get that sig line out of your posts. Its actually quite offensive that you put my name on each one of your posts when I didn't say what you thought I said. I just didnt word it right. I would never want to report you for that so lets keep it cool.
longlivetheZ
10-30-2003, 12:23 AM
I don't know if you've ever been in a Z (or ANY sports car by the way you're talking), but it's actually veeeeeeeery comfortable. Soft seats with enought support to keep you where you want to be (the driver's seat is actually different than the passenger's) without being too hard. I could easily drive one a long distance and not change my feelings for the car afterwords. Not to mention the automatic climate control that all trims get, the Navigation system and Bose 6-disk in dash cd player with 6 speakers and a sub that's available. You have plenty of room to move, but not so much so that you don't feel like you're not a part of the car.
I've seen the new mustangs. They look alright. I like the throw back to the old school mustangs.
As far as my sig goes.....HA.....that's why you read your posts before hitting the button. I'm willing to bet you meant it until I called you on it. Either way....I'm not a mean guy....I'll make ya a deal...I'll take ya out, but you gotta work for it...you have to find me 3 pics of completely totaled mustangs and put them in a post. Then you're out.
Thought of something else you could do...tell me how old you are....That miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight get you out................
Do both and I might even apolgize.......... :rofl:
I've seen the new mustangs. They look alright. I like the throw back to the old school mustangs.
As far as my sig goes.....HA.....that's why you read your posts before hitting the button. I'm willing to bet you meant it until I called you on it. Either way....I'm not a mean guy....I'll make ya a deal...I'll take ya out, but you gotta work for it...you have to find me 3 pics of completely totaled mustangs and put them in a post. Then you're out.
Thought of something else you could do...tell me how old you are....That miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight get you out................
Do both and I might even apolgize.......... :rofl:
hehcarsheh
10-30-2003, 12:43 AM
I don't know if you've ever been in a Z (or ANY sports car by the way you're talking), but it's actually veeeeeeeery comfortable. Soft seats with enought support to keep you where you want to be (the driver's seat is actually different than the passenger's) without being too hard. I could easily drive one a long distance and not change my feelings for the car afterwords. Not to mention the automatic climate control that all trims get, the Navigation system and Bose 6-disk in dash cd player with 6 speakers and a sub that's available. You have plenty of room to move, but not so much so that you don't feel like you're not a part of the car.
I've seen the new mustangs. They look alright. I like the throw back to the old school mustangs.
As far as my sig goes.....HA.....that's why you read your posts before hitting the button. I'm willing to bet you meant it until I called you on it. Either way....I'm not a mean guy....I'll make ya a deal...I'll take ya out, but you gotta work for it...you have to find me 3 pics of completely totaled mustangs and put them in a post. Then you're out.
Thought of something else you could do...tell me how old you are....That miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight get you out................
Do both and I might even apolgize.......... :rofl:
who says 350z's suck?
I've seen the new mustangs. They look alright. I like the throw back to the old school mustangs.
As far as my sig goes.....HA.....that's why you read your posts before hitting the button. I'm willing to bet you meant it until I called you on it. Either way....I'm not a mean guy....I'll make ya a deal...I'll take ya out, but you gotta work for it...you have to find me 3 pics of completely totaled mustangs and put them in a post. Then you're out.
Thought of something else you could do...tell me how old you are....That miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight get you out................
Do both and I might even apolgize.......... :rofl:
who says 350z's suck?
longlivetheZ
10-30-2003, 12:59 AM
Swizeet.....Cizolin in da hizoooooous, beotch.......or something.......I'm white...... :loser:
Sam I am
10-30-2003, 04:25 PM
Your arguments really don't make sense because why the hell would someone want to do 40mph around a turn. No one gives a shit about the turning unless your a speed demon asshole or a racer.
What the Sam Diddly Hell was that?!?!? Am I seeing straight? :sly: :sly:
What the Sam Diddly Hell was that?!?!? Am I seeing straight? :sly: :sly:
svtcobra007x
10-30-2003, 04:48 PM
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svtcobra007x
10-30-2003, 04:49 PM
Hey man I have rode in sports cars, one of them being a BMW 330 Xi and my car is a 1989 Mustang GT Convertible(black top, red body, and silver ground effects), so I do have experience with sports cars. The Fox bodies didnt have as much horses as the new ones do because they start at like 225. But with the new headers that were put into my car, it bumps it up to around 240 horses.
http://www.modernengineuity.com/specs/05gt1.jpg
http://www.used-carlots.com/mustang9.jpg
Sorry man i couldnt find any totaled Mustangs..........just arent enough out there.;) I dont have to tell you my exact age but Ill tell you that its between 17-20.
http://www.modernengineuity.com/specs/05gt1.jpg
http://www.used-carlots.com/mustang9.jpg
Sorry man i couldnt find any totaled Mustangs..........just arent enough out there.;) I dont have to tell you my exact age but Ill tell you that its between 17-20.
svtcobra007x
10-30-2003, 04:54 PM
Dont worry your seeing straight, I worded it wrong, I didnt mean those kinds of turns, I meant like turning 40 mph on a turn into a neighborhood. He just doesnt get it.
Neutrino
10-30-2003, 11:08 PM
Hey man I have rode in sports cars, one of them being a BMW 330 Xi and my car is a 1989 Mustang GT Convertible(black top, red body, and silver ground effects), so I do have experience with sports cars. The Fox bodies didnt have as much horses as the new ones do because they start at like 225. But with the new headers that were put into my car, it bumps it up to around 240 horses.
http://www.modernengineuity.com/specs/05gt1.jpg
http://www.used-carlots.com/mustang9.jpg
Sorry man i couldnt find any totaled Mustangs..........just arent enough out there.;) I dont have to tell you my exact age but Ill tell you that its between 17-20.
sorry to but in here but riding in a sporty sedan as the 330Xi or even riding in a Mclaren F1 does not give you experience with sports cars....
working and doing reseaching on a sports car gives you technical experience
racing a sports car gives you driving experience
so either start working on your car or go to autocross competition and after you have enough experience try club racing
and the reason i have very little respect for most mustangs and their drivers is because all they care is how much power and torque they do....
the ones i do respect are the ones that actualy care about handling....i have a friend with a 5.0 that spend something like 10K just on handling and he has yet to touch the engine....how many ( much more powerful mustangs/other cars) do you think can keep up with him on a twisty road...very few....he just recently spanked a much more powerful vr4 on a canyon road....just trough skills and superior handling
the problem with mustangs is that they come with so-so handling stock(at best)...but they do have some huge aftermarket suport to make up for that...unfortunatelly most people send their money only on power upgrades
http://www.modernengineuity.com/specs/05gt1.jpg
http://www.used-carlots.com/mustang9.jpg
Sorry man i couldnt find any totaled Mustangs..........just arent enough out there.;) I dont have to tell you my exact age but Ill tell you that its between 17-20.
sorry to but in here but riding in a sporty sedan as the 330Xi or even riding in a Mclaren F1 does not give you experience with sports cars....
working and doing reseaching on a sports car gives you technical experience
racing a sports car gives you driving experience
so either start working on your car or go to autocross competition and after you have enough experience try club racing
and the reason i have very little respect for most mustangs and their drivers is because all they care is how much power and torque they do....
the ones i do respect are the ones that actualy care about handling....i have a friend with a 5.0 that spend something like 10K just on handling and he has yet to touch the engine....how many ( much more powerful mustangs/other cars) do you think can keep up with him on a twisty road...very few....he just recently spanked a much more powerful vr4 on a canyon road....just trough skills and superior handling
the problem with mustangs is that they come with so-so handling stock(at best)...but they do have some huge aftermarket suport to make up for that...unfortunatelly most people send their money only on power upgrades
longlivetheZ
10-30-2003, 11:20 PM
Come on, man. You didn't even try. I found a whole PAGE dedicated to car accident pics. Found one mustang on there.
http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/accident_story/12-5-01.html
I've seen the new mustang already, read artical after artical about it, almost to the point of annoyance.
Now THIS is a cobra...not a damn mustang with a little snake emblem on it...
http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/images/9454ccbannerr.gif
Had a highly modded mustang get on the freeway behind me today. That car wasn't too bad...'bout damn time I see a unique mustang. It was waaaaaaaaaaaay lowered, cowl hood (bleh), convertable with the arch thing. It looked pretty cool.
Let's play a game...you lost the last one, so we'll try another one. I'm hopin your cool and aren't gunna go rat on me like a little girl. This is a contest. We have to hunt around on the net for cars and parts and see who can put the faster car together using less money. You can use any sites you want, but you must put them in here as a referance (show where you found the car you "bought", what site you "bought" the blah blah blah off of, etc). We both must start with a stock, plane jane (mine only comes one way, you have to use either the V6...yea right....or the GT) car and go look for mods for it. You put together a car that is reasonably agreed will beat mine, and I'll take you out. If we can't reach an agreement, we start 2 new threads for judging...one in the mustang forum, one in the Z forum. This will be fun.
http://www.car-accidents.com/pages/accident_story/12-5-01.html
I've seen the new mustang already, read artical after artical about it, almost to the point of annoyance.
Now THIS is a cobra...not a damn mustang with a little snake emblem on it...
http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/images/9454ccbannerr.gif
Had a highly modded mustang get on the freeway behind me today. That car wasn't too bad...'bout damn time I see a unique mustang. It was waaaaaaaaaaaay lowered, cowl hood (bleh), convertable with the arch thing. It looked pretty cool.
Let's play a game...you lost the last one, so we'll try another one. I'm hopin your cool and aren't gunna go rat on me like a little girl. This is a contest. We have to hunt around on the net for cars and parts and see who can put the faster car together using less money. You can use any sites you want, but you must put them in here as a referance (show where you found the car you "bought", what site you "bought" the blah blah blah off of, etc). We both must start with a stock, plane jane (mine only comes one way, you have to use either the V6...yea right....or the GT) car and go look for mods for it. You put together a car that is reasonably agreed will beat mine, and I'll take you out. If we can't reach an agreement, we start 2 new threads for judging...one in the mustang forum, one in the Z forum. This will be fun.
longlivetheZ
10-31-2003, 12:27 AM
This one (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=146016887&dealer_id=&car_year=1994&make=NISSAN&distance=any&max_price=&model=300ZXTURBO&advcd_on=n&end_year=1996&min_price=&certified=n&address=41091&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1990&color=&cardist=1894) would be daaaaaaaamn fast, but that would take the fun out of it.
What's I'd make:
Car (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=144474792&dealer_id=&car_year=1990&make=NISSAN&distance=any&max_price=&model=300ZXTURBO&advcd_on=n&end_year=1996&min_price=&first_record=101&certified=n&address=41091&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1990&=&color=&cardist=1850): 1990 300ZX twin turbo. $16,000
Mods: "Purchased" with stage III mods (using SGP's staging chart, Stage III is Intake and underdrive pully, Chip, and SGP test pipe {replaces the catalytic converters} netting you approx 385-400hp). The seller said stage III, so we're just going to assume that that's what's on the car for the sake of argument. Now....let's see....I'm just going to go aaaaaaaall out and not worry about how much money it cost for now....not until you show me what you did....then I can adjust as necessary.
Stage IV is cat back exhaust. $1,149 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/9096nis3025w.html). 400-415 hp.
Stage V is boost controller. Top of the line. $544 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/greddyeo1.html) 420-435 hp.
Stage VI is NOS. Doesn't have a price. (http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/nitrous.htm). 490-505 hp.
Stage VII is upgraded intercooler and radiator. $1,045 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/apra3fm1.html) and $565 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/90nis30ttna.html). 495-510 hp.
Stage VIII is Twin POP charger. Another term for intake, just a diff kind. Already on when car was "purchased".
Stage IX is Ported Trottle Bodies/Matched Intake. However much that costs...I don't know...I'd have to call them. I'll be generous and say $500. I wouldn't think it would be more then that.
Stage X is 555 / 740 / 850cc Injector Upgrade. I'd go with the 850cc injectors so I don't have to worry about falling short. Damned $1,000 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/rcen75infor9.html). 530-545 hp.
I have some options as far as where I go from here. I'm going all out. I'm going to do a cam upgrade, $1,000 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/jwtwilcamset.html), a rebuilt head, $325 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/sgpracarphea.html), and I'm going to get the moster daddy turbo upgrade, $2,500 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/sgptdo6upfor.html). Over 800 horsepower at the rear wheels.
Grand total: $24,628
I made a car with over 800 horsepower at the rear wheels for nearly half the cost of a new Cobra. Those are all horsepower mods, though. I'd still have to get a new clutch to handle that power, new brakes, do some suspention work, etc....I wouldn't stop there. I could make it into the perfect car in every way for $30,000 or less.
Oh yea...check this (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/kyl93nis30.html) out. Low 10 second daily driver.
What's I'd make:
Car (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=144474792&dealer_id=&car_year=1990&make=NISSAN&distance=any&max_price=&model=300ZXTURBO&advcd_on=n&end_year=1996&min_price=&first_record=101&certified=n&address=41091&search_type=used&advanced=n&start_year=1990&=&color=&cardist=1850): 1990 300ZX twin turbo. $16,000
Mods: "Purchased" with stage III mods (using SGP's staging chart, Stage III is Intake and underdrive pully, Chip, and SGP test pipe {replaces the catalytic converters} netting you approx 385-400hp). The seller said stage III, so we're just going to assume that that's what's on the car for the sake of argument. Now....let's see....I'm just going to go aaaaaaaall out and not worry about how much money it cost for now....not until you show me what you did....then I can adjust as necessary.
Stage IV is cat back exhaust. $1,149 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/9096nis3025w.html). 400-415 hp.
Stage V is boost controller. Top of the line. $544 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/greddyeo1.html) 420-435 hp.
Stage VI is NOS. Doesn't have a price. (http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/nitrous.htm). 490-505 hp.
Stage VII is upgraded intercooler and radiator. $1,045 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/apra3fm1.html) and $565 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/90nis30ttna.html). 495-510 hp.
Stage VIII is Twin POP charger. Another term for intake, just a diff kind. Already on when car was "purchased".
Stage IX is Ported Trottle Bodies/Matched Intake. However much that costs...I don't know...I'd have to call them. I'll be generous and say $500. I wouldn't think it would be more then that.
Stage X is 555 / 740 / 850cc Injector Upgrade. I'd go with the 850cc injectors so I don't have to worry about falling short. Damned $1,000 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/rcen75infor9.html). 530-545 hp.
I have some options as far as where I go from here. I'm going all out. I'm going to do a cam upgrade, $1,000 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/jwtwilcamset.html), a rebuilt head, $325 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/sgpracarphea.html), and I'm going to get the moster daddy turbo upgrade, $2,500 (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/sgptdo6upfor.html). Over 800 horsepower at the rear wheels.
Grand total: $24,628
I made a car with over 800 horsepower at the rear wheels for nearly half the cost of a new Cobra. Those are all horsepower mods, though. I'd still have to get a new clutch to handle that power, new brakes, do some suspention work, etc....I wouldn't stop there. I could make it into the perfect car in every way for $30,000 or less.
Oh yea...check this (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/kyl93nis30.html) out. Low 10 second daily driver.
svtcobra007x
11-01-2003, 01:28 PM
Can the car be any year?
mikegee
11-01-2003, 06:42 PM
i have no idea what this thread is about but i do have my 2 cents to add. the 350z may be the most beautiful car ive ever seen. and the proformence is great always have been when it comes to the Z cars. the only people that would say it sucks are the strait line muscle heads. why would ya want to pay more then 30 grand for a V8 muscle car that is being out ran by a cheaper 4banger. i dont get it. im not biest i just like speed in a strait line and corner. and i like the cheaper cars too. and i love drifting can wait to try it.
longlivetheZ
11-03-2003, 01:15 AM
svt: I don't care what year. Just as long as it's not some 1 in 1,000 car that is just not very realistic. Has to be a common production car.
Other guy: I agree. I don't know why people swear up and down by their domestic big blocks and what not. Some people just can't get it through their heads that a good car is more then just a big brick with a massive engine in it. I also don't get people's obsession with drag racing and 0-60 times.....yaaaaay....I can make a car go mach 1 in a straight line, but I have to take turns on the freeway at 35. Don't get me wrong....0-60 times are fun and a good measure of a car's acceleration and I like drag racing...it's fun and all and I've watched it on TV for as long as I can remember, but damn guys.....come on.......there's more to a true sports cars and performance cars in general then just going down a 1/4 mile long sidewalk.
I can count on 2 hands the domestic V8 cars that I would like to have.
I'd like a Buick Grand National.......see sig.
Z06...pretty cool cars. Fast. Looks good. Kinda unique......kinda.
Some old muscle cars are cool....none in particular, really...they're all kinda the same to me.
I'd probably give a nut for an original Shelby Cobra......el drool....
An old Shelby GT500 would kick major ass too.
I think there's one or two more, but I can't think of any....you get my point though.
Other guy: I agree. I don't know why people swear up and down by their domestic big blocks and what not. Some people just can't get it through their heads that a good car is more then just a big brick with a massive engine in it. I also don't get people's obsession with drag racing and 0-60 times.....yaaaaay....I can make a car go mach 1 in a straight line, but I have to take turns on the freeway at 35. Don't get me wrong....0-60 times are fun and a good measure of a car's acceleration and I like drag racing...it's fun and all and I've watched it on TV for as long as I can remember, but damn guys.....come on.......there's more to a true sports cars and performance cars in general then just going down a 1/4 mile long sidewalk.
I can count on 2 hands the domestic V8 cars that I would like to have.
I'd like a Buick Grand National.......see sig.
Z06...pretty cool cars. Fast. Looks good. Kinda unique......kinda.
Some old muscle cars are cool....none in particular, really...they're all kinda the same to me.
I'd probably give a nut for an original Shelby Cobra......el drool....
An old Shelby GT500 would kick major ass too.
I think there's one or two more, but I can't think of any....you get my point though.
svtcobra007x
11-03-2003, 06:06 PM
I like the part where you said the "An old Shelby GT500 would kick major ass too."
http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfriis/Mustang%20Galleri/images/67%20Ford%20Mustang%20Shelby%20GT-500%202.jpg
http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfriis/Mustang%20Galleri/images/67%20Ford%20Mustang%20Shelby%20GT-500%202.jpg
longlivetheZ
11-04-2003, 02:11 AM
Damn right....tis good shit.
Grim13
11-04-2003, 02:31 AM
*Sigh* I was afraid of this... mass recall on the Z for a fault in the engine. Fortunately, the problem isn't too serious.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/dowjones/20031030/bs_dowjones/200310300334000677
I'm really digging the 2005 Mustang. It's looks absolutely badass!!
http://www.conceptcarz.com/folder/vehicle.asp?whichpage=3&sortyBy=&pagesize=8&car_id=6651&vehicleTypeID=0&PrintAllPictures=true
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/dowjones/20031030/bs_dowjones/200310300334000677
I'm really digging the 2005 Mustang. It's looks absolutely badass!!
http://www.conceptcarz.com/folder/vehicle.asp?whichpage=3&sortyBy=&pagesize=8&car_id=6651&vehicleTypeID=0&PrintAllPictures=true
mikegee
11-04-2003, 05:03 PM
svt: I don't care what year. Just as long as it's not some 1 in 1,000 <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="background-color: #f0f000; " HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>; that is just not very realistic. Has to be a common production car.
Other guy: I agree. I don't know why people swear up and down by their domestic big blocks and what not. Some people just can't get it through their heads that a good car is more then just a big brick with a massive engine in it. I also don't get people's obsession with drag racing and 0-60 times.....yaaaaay....I can make a car go mach 1 in a straight line, but I have to take turns on the freeway at 35. Don't get me wrong....0-60 times are fun and a good measure of a car's acceleration and I like drag racing...it's fun and all and I've watched it on TV for as long as I can remember, but damn guys.....come on.......there's more to a true sports cars and performance cars in general then just going down a 1/4 mile long sidewalk.
I can count on 2 hands the domestic V8 cars that I would like to have.
I'd like a Buick Grand National.......see sig.
Z06...pretty cool cars. Fast. Looks good. Kinda unique......kinda.
Some old muscle cars are cool....none in particular, really...they're all kinda the same to me.
I'd probably give a nut for an original Shelby Cobra......el drool....
An old Shelby GT500 would kick major ass too.
I think there's one or two more, but I can't think of any....you get my point though.
an inline six in the grand national this car was fastest then any other production car of that year under an american badge. that tell me something. i cant understand what is so great about a 5.7 liter v8 making 280 hp and 285 lbs/ft of t. and callin it great power. ahhhh no a 280 hp inline 4 is something special. strait line power is good but if you cant turn whats the point. i highly disagree with someone who thinks turning isnt important.
Other guy: I agree. I don't know why people swear up and down by their domestic big blocks and what not. Some people just can't get it through their heads that a good car is more then just a big brick with a massive engine in it. I also don't get people's obsession with drag racing and 0-60 times.....yaaaaay....I can make a car go mach 1 in a straight line, but I have to take turns on the freeway at 35. Don't get me wrong....0-60 times are fun and a good measure of a car's acceleration and I like drag racing...it's fun and all and I've watched it on TV for as long as I can remember, but damn guys.....come on.......there's more to a true sports cars and performance cars in general then just going down a 1/4 mile long sidewalk.
I can count on 2 hands the domestic V8 cars that I would like to have.
I'd like a Buick Grand National.......see sig.
Z06...pretty cool cars. Fast. Looks good. Kinda unique......kinda.
Some old muscle cars are cool....none in particular, really...they're all kinda the same to me.
I'd probably give a nut for an original Shelby Cobra......el drool....
An old Shelby GT500 would kick major ass too.
I think there's one or two more, but I can't think of any....you get my point though.
an inline six in the grand national this car was fastest then any other production car of that year under an american badge. that tell me something. i cant understand what is so great about a 5.7 liter v8 making 280 hp and 285 lbs/ft of t. and callin it great power. ahhhh no a 280 hp inline 4 is something special. strait line power is good but if you cant turn whats the point. i highly disagree with someone who thinks turning isnt important.
longlivetheZ
11-05-2003, 01:35 AM
The Grand National was actually good enough to make it into my sig...THAT should tell you something.
V8's just aren't needed...you can get as much or more power out of a 4 cylinder these days then you can out of a V8 with better reliability, less moving parts, and with better fuel economy. Some people would argue that you don't get the "low end pull" of a V8, though........meh....fast is fast, for the most part.
V8's just aren't needed...you can get as much or more power out of a 4 cylinder these days then you can out of a V8 with better reliability, less moving parts, and with better fuel economy. Some people would argue that you don't get the "low end pull" of a V8, though........meh....fast is fast, for the most part.
9ball
11-05-2003, 09:19 AM
The Grand National was a v6, not an inline 6 and the picture you have isn't a Grand National, it's a Regal T-Type turbo. All Grand Nationals were black but the T-Type was available in silver/black and maroon that I know of. I don't know why you guys are v8 haters. Have you ever built a high performance engine? I turn red in the face arguing with ignorant people on the internet. There is no replacement for displacement and that's it. People make stupid comparisons all the time by saying that if a highly tuned 4 cylinder makes more power than a stock V8 then 4 cylinders must be better than 8. That is STUPID!!! The same arguement goes on in the muscle car world as well. There is a crowd that says "you can get just as much power out of small block chevy as you can a big block." NO YOU CAN'T!!!! Not when the level of tuning is considered. If you want proof, look at professional drag racing. Unlimited, all balls, get down the quarter as fast as you can drag racing. They run what's called "mountain motors." They build a 8 or 9 liter v8, boosted, nitrous, and get it to turn about 10,000 rpm which cranks out about 8000 horsepower.
spitz7985
11-05-2003, 12:11 PM
Grim,
Not to worry the cars are great....The Engine is bullet proof.
I did here of a few early trannies that whined but Nissan took care of them.
If I was not already on a list for an ELISE I would not be selling my Track model for a song......
Later
Pat
omg, you lucky bastard. that is THE car! 12 flat with only 190hp and well over 1G cornering. if i only had the money.....
Not to worry the cars are great....The Engine is bullet proof.
I did here of a few early trannies that whined but Nissan took care of them.
If I was not already on a list for an ELISE I would not be selling my Track model for a song......
Later
Pat
omg, you lucky bastard. that is THE car! 12 flat with only 190hp and well over 1G cornering. if i only had the money.....
svtcobra007x
11-05-2003, 04:56 PM
I agree with 9-Ball, he knows what he's talking about. V8's have power.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfriis/Mustang%20Galleri/images/67%20Ford%20Mustang%20Shelby%20GT-500%202.jpg
Damn, the 428 V8 supercharged engine in this baby has some of the greatest, throatiest sounds ever and would be my first muscle car pick.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfriis/Mustang%20Galleri/images/67%20Ford%20Mustang%20Shelby%20GT-500%202.jpg
Damn, the 428 V8 supercharged engine in this baby has some of the greatest, throatiest sounds ever and would be my first muscle car pick.
mikegee
11-05-2003, 05:20 PM
I agree with 9-Ball, he knows what he's talking about. V8's have power.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfriis/Mustang%20Galleri/images/67%20Ford%20Mustang%20Shelby%20GT-500%202.jpg
Damn, the 428 V8 supercharged engine in this baby has some of the greatest, throatiest sounds ever and would be my first muscle car pick.
it each his own. but if we are depateing bout no replacement for displscement then not a 16 cylinder. oh a highly tuned inline 4 awwww poor baby. in order to get good power out of a v8 you have to tune it. as for drag racing there is plenty of 7 sec. inline 4s. planty of inline 4 cranking out more then 1200hp true its not 6000 but itll be done and can be done to an inline 4. argue this point til you are red in the face ill argue it til im blue in the face. 4 bangers aint goin nowhere. and stock 4 cylinder making 260 pound foot of torque and still costing under $22,000 come on now my stock grand am out ran a ford mustang v8 and all i have is a 2.2 Liter 4 and that was not a launch that was a rolling start at around 25 mph
http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfriis/Mustang%20Galleri/images/67%20Ford%20Mustang%20Shelby%20GT-500%202.jpg
Damn, the 428 V8 supercharged engine in this baby has some of the greatest, throatiest sounds ever and would be my first muscle car pick.
it each his own. but if we are depateing bout no replacement for displscement then not a 16 cylinder. oh a highly tuned inline 4 awwww poor baby. in order to get good power out of a v8 you have to tune it. as for drag racing there is plenty of 7 sec. inline 4s. planty of inline 4 cranking out more then 1200hp true its not 6000 but itll be done and can be done to an inline 4. argue this point til you are red in the face ill argue it til im blue in the face. 4 bangers aint goin nowhere. and stock 4 cylinder making 260 pound foot of torque and still costing under $22,000 come on now my stock grand am out ran a ford mustang v8 and all i have is a 2.2 Liter 4 and that was not a launch that was a rolling start at around 25 mph
mikegee
11-05-2003, 05:24 PM
The Grand National was a v6, not an inline 6 and the picture you have isn't a Grand National, it's a Regal T-Type turbo. All Grand Nationals were black but the T-Type was available in silver/black and maroon that I know of. I don't know why you guys are v8 haters. Have you ever built a high performance engine? I turn red in the face arguing with ignorant people on the internet. There is no replacement for displacement and that's it. People make stupid comparisons all the time by saying that if a highly tuned 4 cylinder makes more power than a stock V8 then 4 cylinders must be better than 8. That is STUPID!!! The same arguement goes on in the muscle car world as well. There is a crowd that says "you can get just as much power out of small block chevy as you can a big block." NO YOU CAN'T!!!! Not when the level of tuning is considered. If you want proof, look at professional drag racing. Unlimited, all balls, get down the quarter as fast as you can drag racing. They run what's called "mountain motors." They build a 8 or 9 liter v8, boosted, nitrous, and get it to turn about 10,000 rpm which cranks out about 8000 horsepower.
im not exactly sure but i am very confindent it was in fact an inline 6 i dont see why buick would lie when they had a special on speed vision when it was speed vision. but so what the fact still remains it out ran and out handled all american cars in that year mhm yep even ohh my god the true american sports car the stank corvette.
im not exactly sure but i am very confindent it was in fact an inline 6 i dont see why buick would lie when they had a special on speed vision when it was speed vision. but so what the fact still remains it out ran and out handled all american cars in that year mhm yep even ohh my god the true american sports car the stank corvette.
350Zyprexa
11-05-2003, 09:56 PM
Say it isn't true. I've been doing a lot of forum reading about 350z owners and their cars. I'm looking to get the performance or the touring model, but now I'm getting second thoughts from what I've been reading. It appears that the 350z has a lot of internal problems. I have a 99 4Runner that runs like a charm, but consumes 16 mpg... and I need something similar in dependability. My second option is the Infiniti G35, but my heart is still set on the 350z. I wonder if the 2004 models have been refined.. Also, I'm looking to slap in a Stillen supercharger. Would that hurt my gas mileage by much?
Here's the original quote, what a moron...
Here's the original quote, what a moron...
svtcobra007x
11-06-2003, 02:02 PM
Here's the original quote, what a moron...
He might be right that it has a lot of internal problems.
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/pics/mustang.jpg
He might be right that it has a lot of internal problems.
http://www.dailysouthtown.com/pics/mustang.jpg
mikegee
11-06-2003, 04:39 PM
[QUOTE=svtcobra007x]He might be right that it has a lot of internal problems.
there is nothing in this would that is man made that is even close to being perfect.
there is nothing in this would that is man made that is even close to being perfect.
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