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Neutrino
12-01-2003, 01:14 AM
yah,I'm trying to say the 4-bangger focuz is faster than that mean powerful V8 mustang...
Let's see svtcobra007x's excuse for this one...



the svt i don't think will be able to outdo a gt in a 1/4 mile but it will outhandle the mustang

the rs focus however will be faster in both 1/4 and turns

the rs and svt focus are very good most likely due to the involvement of cosworth in their design....and imo ford europe is superior to the domestic ford

longlivetheZ
12-01-2003, 01:20 AM
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.......that's great. SVT Fuckus...bleh. Read an article in a turbo magazine or a mag of the sort...they rebuilt the entire engine just to run 8 psi. POS Engines.

Duuuuuuuuuuuude.......a *V6* ACCORD will keep up with the GT mustang 0-60 as well as A *V6* Nissan Maxima. The RSX-S (4 cylinder) has a nearly identical 0-60 as the GT.

Mustangs suck.

svtcobra007x
12-01-2003, 01:52 AM
Nah, the SVT Focus is not as powerful as you think. I checked out the stats, maybe theres more than one model but the one I saw went for around 17,000 and comes only with 170 horses. 0-60 in about 7 seconds.

http://www.roadandtravel.com/roadtests/hotflash/hotflashes2002/fordfocussvt.htm

The 2004 Mustang GT comes with 260 horses under the hood and goes 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. Now the one I forgot to mention and its the most obvious model they just came out with. The 2003 Mustang Mach 1 compares greatly with the Z. Now your going to say "No, the Mustang GT does." But I cant compare it because Ford didn't put all the power into the car so they let everyone else like SVT and Saleen to do it. It could be more powerful, believe me, so stop underestimating it(Ford didn't want to, so don't blame it on the car, wait till 2005). The Mustang Mach 1 comes with a 32 Valve 4.6 L V8 engine. It includes 305 horses under the hood and only costs $29,000. No
supercharger, no turbo.

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/d/ford03mustang/mach1145a//trim_specs.html?refsrc=autos/trim_overview

I guess someone can explain to me how they took the standard Mustang engine and made it more powerful, because they knocked the horses from 260 to 305. Im guessing its the extra valves it includes and a few extra stuff.

The Mach 1 does give you your bang for the buck and beats the Z in ms in 0-60(not enough to make any assumptions). Its top speed is 10mph more than the Z also. So can anyone do any better than this..I mean I took a relatively average good Mustang and compared it with a Z, and it should be compared with it. Goes to show the V8 can still do wonders.

Also, I see a lot of cars today that range in their years. When I see old cars they usually look like a box. When I see a new Mustang, I dont see a box like you guys see. What the hell, I see other cars out there that have relatively the same form as the Mustang and they don't look like a box. That is a completely subjective opinion. Just because the Mustang doesnt have the endless sloping back like the Z does and the Focus-like lights like the Z does, doesn't mean it is a bad looking car. Ford likes consintency so they keep the Mustang shape while not making it look like a complete rectangle. I think the Mustang GT has sweet taillights, nice scoops on the side, and an awesome hood. The Z in my opinion is just a copycat of the Porsche and the Audi because they all look the same. The sloping back. the small model, and absolutely no detail to it whatsoever. They are plain and simple. Look at my last post, that picture of that Rousch Mustang is extremely detailed and that's what Mustangs are usually like. They have style and in my opinion, they look as good as coupes as they do as convertibles.

"It is clearly superior to your Mustang."Rizzspeed..................It will never be.........I'll never come around......i've still got a lot more ammunition than this.

http://us.autos1.yimg.com/img.autos.yahoo.com/i/aic/b/03/mustang7.jpg
Don't see a box...........but a badass Mach1.........

svtcobra007x
12-01-2003, 02:07 AM
http://www.dynoperformance.com/article_details.php?ID=20

Very interesting, one person here mentioned that people were taking their Cobras in for a dynamometer test. They said the complete opposite than what is in this article because it appears Ford has underestimated their horse power rating. It looks as if the Cobras are theoretically producing over 400 horses. Wow, so Longlive, how about that Z.....

http://www.stangnet.com/2003cobramustang/cobra039.jpg
So much power for such little money...........



http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294210_2.jpg
Saleen......brings you to your knees......

mikegee
12-01-2003, 05:49 AM
yah,I'm trying to say the 4-bangger focuz is faster than that mean powerful V8 mustang...
Let's see svtcobra007x's excuse for this one...


hey, "there's no replacement for displacement." if this is true then y are tons of 4s and 6s man handling the v8s.

Neutrino
12-01-2003, 08:51 AM
ok let me introduce some info here since the level of information here is apauling

the svt it is not turbocharged
the rs is turbocharged

both cars are fairly slow in the 1/4 mile since they were designed mainly for handling...and they will hand out spankinngs in the curves to many cars out there...they were tuned extensivelly by cossie

also svtcobra...there was a comparo made directly between the mach 1 and a touring 350z and the z won by quite a bit on the track

svtcobra007x
12-01-2003, 12:56 PM
Well the only explanation I can find that the Mach1 was beaten on the track was around the turns. Probably held up really good on the long strait aways.

mikegee
12-01-2003, 04:56 PM
Well the only explanation I can find that the Mach1 was beaten on the track was around the turns. Probably held up really good on the long strait aways.


if this is fine for you then ok, i cant knock you for liking what you like. but i dislike strait line proformance with out turning.

mikegee
12-01-2003, 04:58 PM
ok let me introduce some info here since the level of information here is apauling

the svt it is not turbocharged
the rs is turbocharged

both cars are fairly slow in the 1/4 mile since they were designed mainly for handling...and they will hand out spankinngs in the curves to many cars out there...they were tuned extensivelly by cossie

also svtcobra...there was a comparo made directly between the mach 1 and a touring 350z and the z won by quite a bit on the track


as for the focus rs i think it sucks you get wrx proformance at an sti price. i dont know why ford would produce such a car.

mikegee
12-01-2003, 05:00 PM
http://www.dynoperformance.com/article_details.php?ID=20

Very interesting, one person here mentioned that people were taking their Cobras in for a dynamometer test. They said the complete opposite than what is in this article because it appears Ford has underestimated their horse power rating. It looks as if the Cobras are theoretically producing over 400 horses. Wow, so Longlive, how about that Z.....

http://www.stangnet.com/2003cobramustang/cobra039.jpg
So much power for such little money...........



http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294210_2.jpg
Saleen......brings you to your knees......



so how much is this SALEEN?

Neutrino
12-01-2003, 05:43 PM
Well the only explanation I can find that the Mach1 was beaten on the track was around the turns. Probably held up really good on the long strait aways.


well yeah....the mach1 had better acceleration numbers and it shoud've had since it has a DOHC v8


and about the focus RS its true its current price in england its uncompetitive but we'll have to wait and see how much it will cost when brought here

nacho_nissan
12-01-2003, 07:09 PM
has anybody seen a video of a 1991 nissan sentra with a sr20det beat the shit out of a 2001 Mustang?? I dont remember if it is a SVT cobra,or a regular cobra,but anyway,the mustang couldnt even keep up with the sentra,and they raced like 3 times,but then something happened...The nissan's plug blew into the turbine... But how is this svtcobra kid gonna compare a stang to a 350Z when a cobra cant even beat a 2.0l turbo engine?? :grinno: By the way,you(svtcobra kid) should give us all a chair while we're waiting for that 2005 mustang,it's still a while before u can bring it to the track,we might get tired of waiting...
I hope it really is all the shit like you talk bout it,cause u've already looked stupid alot of times :loser:

rizzspeed
12-01-2003, 07:43 PM
Power is nothing without control, rizzspeed.

I've said that before, I think. I'm almost sure I have. Nismo, you read practically everything that I post.:loser:j/k Remind me where I've said that before.

svtcobra007x
12-01-2003, 07:44 PM
has anybody seen a video of a 1991 nissan sentra with a sr20det beat the shit out of a 2001 Mustang?? I dont remember if it is a SVT cobra,or a regular cobra,but anyway,the mustang couldnt even keep up with the sentra,and they raced like 3 times,but then something happened...The nissan's plug blew into the turbine... But how is this svtcobra kid gonna compare a stang to a 350Z when a cobra cant even beat a 2.0l turbo engine?? :grinno: By the way,you(svtcobra kid) should give us all a chair while we're waiting for that 2005 mustang,it's still a while before u can bring it to the track,we might get tired of waiting...
I hope it really is all the shit like you talk bout it,cause u've already looked stupid alot of times :loser:

I change my mind Nacho, that was the worst post in your posting experience. You kinda just blurted out words the whole way and i dont even think you pay attention to all my posts. I dont know where you saw that video and the chances are no one saw it. But it probably wasnt even a Cobra. I can see a GT being beaten up by a 2.0L turbo engine but a Cobra, forget about it. Such bullshit Nacho, of course the turbo is gonna increase the Sentras power to be faster than the GT. Hell lets put a turbo on the GT and then see how they compare.

You see this is my dilemma with you. I dont know if you know jack shit about Mustangs, Cobras, Saleens, and hell, prob not even Z's. I dont like when people see a car they like and talk crazy about it when they dont even know its performance. You seem to fit into that category.
"I dont remember if it is a SVT cobra,or a regular cobra,but anyway,the"..............What the hell are you thinking? See this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. SVT makes Cobras. Regular Cobra? There is no regular Cobra. SVT Cobra's consist of the Cobra and the Cobra-R. Maybe you were thinking of the GT.

Nacho listen to me once. The Z puts out about 280 horses under the hood. The GT puts about 260 horses under the hood. The Mach 1 puts about 305 horses under the hood. The SVT Cobra puts out 390 horses, theoretically over 400. The Cobra R puts out 385 horses but is the fastest Cobra. The Saleen SR, you ready Nacho, I hope your ready, puts out 505hp. I think Mustangs have power man. The Mach 1 is a great comparison to the Z and it includes absolutely no turbos, superchargers at all. Modd the Z and the Mach 1 to the limit and the Mach 1 will most likely come out in first due to the engine used. I am just comparing horses but they have a lot to do of how powerful a car is. Put a turbo under the hood of a Z Nacho, but I guarentee you will not be able to topple a Saleen or a modded Mach 1, maybe not even a Cobra.

Nacho start looking at posts thouroughly and look at THE MUSTANG STATS SO YOU DON'T COME IN TO THIS FORUM THINKING IN YOUR OPINION THAT THE Z IS THE FASTER CAR. At least compare.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294210_2.jpg
Saleen......

nacho_nissan
12-01-2003, 08:43 PM
ok...I knew most of the info u gave me.
Ok,ma bad,the title is "sentra Vs 03' cobra".
I ned to know how to upload this,can anybody tell me?? See,i never said the 350z was the fastest car,but i dont know why u cant seem to get the saleens cant fit in the 350z category... Wait until i can upload this video,it's badass...

svtcobra007x
12-01-2003, 09:04 PM
Alright at least we got Saleen taken care of............Saleen is hard to beat and is just way too powerful.



http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294210_2.jpg
Saleen......

nacho_nissan
12-01-2003, 09:31 PM
Alright at least we got Saleen taken care of............Saleen is hard to beat and is just way too powerful.



http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294210_2.jpg
Saleen......
Oh shit,they must be really hard to beat... :rolleyes:
No wait,i just whatched how a saleen got spanked by a supra(with heavy chromed wheels),and another one got whooped by a Trans Am...
I wonder how they did it?? Any clues?? Anyone??

svtcobra007x
12-01-2003, 09:40 PM
Oh shit,they must be really hard to beat... :rolleyes:
No wait,i just whatched how a saleen got spanked by a supra(with heavy chromed wheels),and another one got whooped by a Trans Am...
I wonder how they did it?? Any clues?? Anyone??


LOL, now I know you are full of it. Bullshit, the day that a Supra and a Trans Am beat a Saleen will never come. Saleen SR, 505hp, 0-60 in 4.0 seconds, over 200mph. No way a riced up Supra and a trans am could beat a Saleen. Just to let you know a Saleen SR is a Mustang and imo, it kicks major ass. So full of it...........they cant even beat the Saleen 281(still sweet).

I dont know if you just made that up but here are the specs for the Supra. LOL......you'll need NOS to catch up with the Saleen.......

http://www.toyota-supra.com/exportmkiv.htm

90Stangjc
12-01-2003, 09:58 PM
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.......that's great. SVT Fuckus...bleh. Read an article in a turbo magazine or a mag of the sort...they rebuilt the entire engine just to run 8 psi. POS Engines.

Duuuuuuuuuuuude.......a *V6* ACCORD will keep up with the GT mustang 0-60 as well as A *V6* Nissan Maxima. The RSX-S (4 cylinder) has a nearly identical 0-60 as the GT.

Mustangs suck.
Mustangs suck??? Ok... will the V6 accord run as fast 0-100 as the GT mustang?? What about the Maxima?? The RSX?? no.... that must mean that those cars really suck. Did you ever think that the REASON is because the cars you just mentioned are FRONT-WHEEL DRIVE cars. Duh. With as much as 300ft lbs of torque and a 5-speed transmission do you think you could launch a mustang without wheel-spin. And who the hell races to 60mph then stops??? NO BODY!!! The shortest drag-races go to 1/8 mile and i've seen PATHETIC cars run 61mph (yes that's 1 past 60). :loser: Your the type of person who brings up stupid points that dont make sense and arnt true just to make your self feel good but your making yourself look stupid.

F23A4Racer750IL
12-01-2003, 10:01 PM
This is kind of pathetic how you guys are all talking about the Nissan Z because i looked up the specs and it does not have the horsepower or 0-60 time that other cars have. Im a die hard Mustang fan and if you check out the Mustang Cobra specs or the Saleen specs, then you will know that no Nissan will smoke a Mustang.

dude ur comparing it to a saleen. thats a modified car. compare it to a GT and its a different story. the Z makes more hp but less torque then a GT but lets see how it can handle. and its only been out for a full year. come back w/ a good comparison.

nacho_nissan
12-01-2003, 10:59 PM
LOL, now I know you are full of it. Bullshit, the day that a Supra and a Trans Am beat a Saleen will never come. Saleen SR, 505hp, 0-60 in 4.0 seconds, over 200mph. No way a riced up Supra and a trans am could beat a Saleen. Just to let you know a Saleen SR is a Mustang and imo, it kicks major ass. So full of it...........they cant even beat the Saleen 281(still sweet).

I dont know if you just made that up but here are the specs for the Supra. LOL......you'll need NOS to catch up with the Saleen.......

http://www.toyota-supra.com/exportmkiv.htm
Mustangs get smoked all the time by ricers,what the fuck are u talkin about?? Man nigga you should just get a fuckin life! What makes u think mustangs can even compete against fast cars?? a mustang aint shit,how many times do we have to prove it!? A Trans Am can smoke the shit out of a cobra,and just like i said it,a Saleen...
So i guess your just talkin off your ass,so just go to your fag-mustang forum and stop making up stuff...

TheSR20Drifter
12-01-2003, 11:28 PM
Haha, I joined these forums just for svtcobra007x, so you should feel obliged. Anyways, what boggles my mind is how you are comparing a "modified mustang" or "tuned" if you will, to a stock Toyota Supra which ended production years ago. STOCK, keyword here. I would really like to know how old you are, because you are a very ignorant little man, who does not know enough about cars to actually come up with a logical comparison. BTW, the 2JZ (Supra engine for you n00bs) can easily handle 650hp on stock internals. Turbocharged, of course silly, there is no way in hell an import can get up there w/o forced induction (which includes what you guys like to call "NOS", which by the way, is a company, and not the only company out there that makes nitrous products. For future reference, just say nitrous so you won't seem like an ignorant little kid who knows jack shit about automobiles). On a further note, the Saleen is a great car, I like it to tell you the truth. If you have the money for it, then go buy it by all means, but its just not my cup of tea.

And for all you other jack asses out there who just simply love to compare cars that are not in their class to others *cough*90Stangjc*cough* please stop your stupidity from going on further for people who know the difference between the clutch and the brake pedal laugh at you, bewildered in your dumbfoundedness. I'm sure there are more of you, but I just read this page and already know what this thread is about.

Since it is human nature to judge, do what you will and pick on my grammatical errors and my punctuation mistakes, go ahead and make fun of the car that I drive. By all means, show your fruity side and actually do what I just typed.

You have been owned you fucking ass clowns. Please stop posting on these forums if you are going to continue to be dumb like this. Since I am not pleased with the way these forums are moderated, I will only post a few more times.

You gotta love kid whose a fucking secret agent. God there cute :disappoin

nacho_nissan
12-01-2003, 11:36 PM
Haha, I joined these forums just for svtcobra007x, so you should feel obliged. Anyways, what boggles my mind is how you are comparing a "modified mustang" or "tuned" if you will, to a stock Toyota Supra which ended production years ago. STOCK, keyword here. I would really like to know how old you are, because you are a very ignorant little man, who does not know enough about cars to actually come up with a logical comparison. BTW, the 2JZ (Supra engine for you n00bs) can easily handle 650hp on stock internals. Turbocharged, of course silly, there is no way in hell an import can get up there w/o forced induction (which includes what you guys like to call "NOS", which by the way, is a company, and not the only company out there that makes nitrous products. For future reference, just say nitrous so you won't seem like an ignorant little kid who knows jack shit about automobiles). On a further note, the Saleen is a great car, I like it to tell you the truth. If you have the money for it, then go buy it by all means, but its just not my cup of tea.

And for all you other jack asses out there who just simply love to compare cars that are not in their class to others *cough*90Stangjc*cough* please stop your stupidity from going on further for people who know the difference between the clutch and the brake pedal laugh at you, bewildered in your dumbfoundedness. I'm sure there are more of you, but I just read this page and already know what this thread is about.

Since it is human nature to judge, do what you will and pick on my grammatical errors and my punctuation mistakes, go ahead and make fun of the car that I drive. By all means, show your fruity side and actually do what I just typed.

You have been owned you fucking ass clowns. Please stop posting on these forums if you are going to continue to be dumb like this. Since I am not pleased with the way these forums are moderated, I will only post a few more times.
nice one drifter...
Is it mr or that guy SVTcobra pussied out already? :grinno:

TheSR20Drifter
12-01-2003, 11:55 PM
Actually, I just read the last few pages and you, svtcobra007x, have been owned multiple times. Most notably by rizzspeed. By the way, give it up, you keep on dragging this completely useless and boring thread, to something it shouldnt. This thread has turned into a giant flame war, and I dont know if the moderators(if you have any, have ever heard of locking up a thread).

But, just for you since I am young and feel the need to rant and make fun, since it is human nature mind you.

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/gay15.jpg

SkylineUSA
12-02-2003, 12:23 AM
You cannot compare a Sallen to a 350Z, or any stock car.

Any car can beat any car, any questions? Give me enough money, I would make a 5 sec Yugo. :)

longlivetheZ
12-02-2003, 03:20 AM
The 2004 Mustang GT comes with 260 horses under the hood and goes 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. Now the one I forgot to mention and its the most obvious model they just came out with. The 2003 Mustang Mach 1 compares greatly with the Z. Now your going to say "No, the Mustang GT does." But I cant compare it because Ford didn't put all the power into the car so they let everyone else like SVT and Saleen to do it. It could be more powerful, believe me, so stop underestimating it(Ford didn't want to, so don't blame it on the car, wait till 2005). The Mustang Mach 1 comes with a 32 Valve 4.6 L V8 engine. It includes 305 horses under the hood and only costs $29,000. No
supercharger, no turbo.


AHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA.......I FOUND IT!!!!....I have the magazine, but it's in Florida...I found the artical online...what artical, you might ask....the comparison of the Audi TT, Honda S2K, *MUSTANG MACH 1, and NISSAN 350Z!!!*

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=1938

"The last time a Mustang coupe finished this high in a comparo was four years ago, and there were only two cars in the test. The other was a Camaro, and it won ("Camaro vs. Mustang. Again," February 1999)." AHHHHHHHHHHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA.....AND IT'S IN SECOND!! That pretty much sums up my point over this whooooooooooooooooole thread.

"Dryer-dial steering, still the same chintzy interior" and "Even with the optional dress-up kit, the dash and door-panel polymers belong in a taxi." Also sums up what I've been saying quite well....they don't handle well and the interior is made ashamed of itself by a Hyundai.

They give the car credit in that it goes straight ok. They kinda blow it out of proportion because 5.2 seconds isn't ALL that fast in comparison to most truely fast cars of today...hell...I've seen the 300ZX TT circa mid 90's put up 5.2 0-60s stock. Does beat the 350 in 0-60. Not by a whole lot though...Z could take a stop light race with a good driver. This Mustang is probably the best comparison to the Z...Cars are both stock (no damn Steeda or roush or SVT shit here) and they're both NA, but mostly in the price sense, though. Still...I can't help but think "well...damn...a V8 BETTER beat a V6 0-60". The Mustang still lacks refinement. I see this in most muscle cars. They just use brute force to get as far as they can in life. Not the way to do it...take a well rounded, nicely refined, well built car and engine like the Z and you will go much, much further. "the Z set the fastest average speed of 77.7 mph around the track." Because it's well rounded...very good handling with very good acceleration. The only beefs they had with is were about the interior and the brakes...the interior has changed for '04 and the Track model gets better brakes. The brake issue is really quite irrellevant anyway...not every day I'm gunna be goin around a track.

About the Dyno test thing you posted...dynos vary by make, type of dyno, software used, etc. If they put that/those same car(s) on a diff dyno, it would probably register differently. Since those numbers are already oddly high, I doubt the new numbers would be higher.

I've said that before, I think.

I think you have in more words. I was either summing it up or seconding it...can't remember exactly.

You cannot compare a Sallen to a 350Z, or any stock car.

Thank you, sir. You gunna listen to HIM, svtcobra?

By the way, give it up, you keep on dragging this completely useless and boring thread, to something it shouldnt.

If it's boring, why'd you post? I think, just judging on the popularity of it and the length of it, that statement is quite void. :biggrin: Just wondering.

dude ur comparing it to a saleen. thats a modified car. compare it to a GT and its a different story. the Z makes more hp but less torque then a GT but lets see how it can handle. and its only been out for a full year. come back w/ a good comparison.

Thank you sir. You gunna listen to HIM, svtcobra. I didn't make up the part about the saleen and SVT and whatnot being modified cars. Even a comparo to the GT is still kinda messed up...V8 vs V6...but the Z STILL wins.

rizzspeed
12-02-2003, 03:00 PM
Actually, I just read the last few pages and you, svtcobra007x, have been owned multiple times. Most notably by rizzspeed.

Thank you very much. :smile:
I do what I can.

As for longlivetheZ, thanks for the clarification. I guess I tend to get longwinded at times. :biggrin:

nacho_nissan
12-02-2003, 05:34 PM
To SVTcobra007x:
I told you you were going to look stupid again...
To everyone:
Hope he doesn't post anymore,cause its not funny anymore how ya'll guys humiliate this kid...

svtcobra007x
12-02-2003, 07:40 PM
Lol the reason im ranting and raving about high performance Mustangs is because some of you think the Z is the winner. Surely there is no way I can compare Saleens to the Z because it is a roadrunner. But this is exactly my point. Which car technically is better? The Saleen or the Z? Or the Steeda, Rousche, SVT? People I am just saying these cars are sweet and faster because some of you say if you modified your "hatchback(cracks me up)"Z , then you will be able to perform better than the high performance Stangs, not true. My point is therefore proven. High Performance Mustangs cannot be compared because they are in different classes and the Z can't top that. Sure the Z wins against the 2003 GT but that is about the only one, possibly Mach1 in a racetrack. Longlive theZ, take another car and try to mod it to be faster than the top of the line Mustangs. The Z doesnt have the engine for it.

So there you have it, mainly talking to that asshole Nacho and Z-Man LonglivetheZ, that there is no way that modded Z's will compare to the high performance Stangs. Fuck the stock and GT right now, Ford didn't make them with power, GET IT. I cant help it if the GT is not like it should be but that Mach1 compares greatly with the Z. Of course it came in second on the track, its all about turning and the basic Mustangs dont have that. There has to be some kind of medium we can reach here. Mustangs have diff. classes to them and I cant compare all of them to your Z without pissing you off. Its like Ford is in a Branch with so many other makers of the Mustang. Its like their car is seperate from all the high performance Mustangs. I look at all of them and see if the Z or the Stang has more potential.

TheSR20Drifter..............you shouldnt even come at all, didnt even say one good damn thing in my behalf. Tell me to give it up? Hey screw you man..........I'll give it up when people admit that Saleen, Rousche, SVT, Steeda, are not comparable to a Z or a modded Z(im comparing them so eventually you people will admit they are not comparable to a Z). They are Mustangs too Nacho, yea Nacho, they are high performance MUSTANGS!!!!!

Nacho(15y/0) I have just about had it with you. Maybe I should bring you into a Ford forum where you will be the sole man fighting an army. Then all of them will laugh at your ass. So look at it at a different perspective and stop being an asshole. Even LonglivetheZ is not as bad as you. Grow up........

mikegee
12-02-2003, 07:49 PM
I change my mind Nacho, that was the worst post in your posting experience. You kinda just blurted out words the whole way and i dont even think you pay attention to all my posts. I dont know where you saw that video and the chances are no one saw it. But it probably wasnt even a Cobra. I can see a GT being beaten up by a 2.0L turbo engine but a Cobra, forget about it. Such bullshit Nacho, of course the turbo is gonna increase the Sentras power to be faster than the GT. Hell lets put a turbo on the GT and then see how they compare.

You see this is my dilemma with you. I dont know if you know jack shit about Mustangs, Cobras, Saleens, and hell, prob not even Z's. I dont like when people see a car they like and talk crazy about it when they dont even know its performance. You seem to fit into that category.
"I dont remember if it is a SVT cobra,or a regular cobra,but anyway,the"..............What the hell are you thinking? See this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. SVT makes Cobras. Regular Cobra? There is no regular Cobra. SVT Cobra's consist of the Cobra and the Cobra-R. Maybe you were thinking of the GT.

Nacho listen to me once. The Z puts out about 280 horses under the hood. The GT puts about 260 horses under the hood. The Mach 1 puts about 305 horses under the hood. The SVT Cobra puts out 390 horses, theoretically over 400. The Cobra R puts out 385 horses but is the fastest Cobra. The Saleen SR, you ready Nacho, I hope your ready, puts out 505hp. I think Mustangs have power man. The Mach 1 is a great comparison to the Z and it includes absolutely no turbos, superchargers at all. Modd the Z and the Mach 1 to the limit and the Mach 1 will most likely come out in first due to the engine used. I am just comparing horses but they have a lot to do of how powerful a car is. Put a turbo under the hood of a Z Nacho, but I guarentee you will not be able to topple a Saleen or a modded Mach 1, maybe not even a Cobra.

Nacho start looking at posts thouroughly and look at THE MUSTANG STATS SO YOU DON'T COME IN TO THIS FORUM THINKING IN YOUR OPINION THAT THE Z IS THE FASTER CAR. At least compare.

http://images.cardomain.com/member_images/6/web/294000-294999/294210_2.jpg
Saleen......



im confident that the skyline r34 gt-r can keep up or even beat the saleen, even in a drag race.

svtcobra007x
12-02-2003, 07:55 PM
Well Mikegee it depends which Saleen, the SR or S7. I think the S7 and R34 GTR are very comparable. It is hard to say which one is better or which one would win.

mikegee
12-02-2003, 07:56 PM
Lol the reason im ranting and raving about high performance Mustangs is because some of you think the Z is the winner. Surely there is no way I can compare Saleens to the Z because it is a roadrunner. But this is exactly my point. Which car technically is better? The Saleen or the Z? Or the Steeda, Rousche, SVT? People I am just saying these cars are sweet and faster because some of you say if you modified your "hatchback(cracks me up)"Z , then you will be able to perform better than the high performance Stangs, not true. My point is therefore proven. High Performance Mustangs cannot be compared because they are in different classes and the Z can't top that. Sure the Z wins against the 2003 GT but that is about the only one, possibly Mach1 in a racetrack. Longlive theZ, take another car and try to mod it to be faster than the top of the line Mustangs. The Z doesnt have the engine for it.

So there you have it, mainly talking to that asshole Nacho and Z-Man LonglivetheZ, that there is no way that modded Z's will compare to the high performance Stangs. Fuck the stock and GT right now, Ford didn't make them with power, GET IT. I cant help it if the GT is not like it should be but that Mach1 compares greatly with the Z. Of course it came in second on the track, its all about turning and the basic Mustangs dont have that. There has to be some kind of medium we can reach here. Mustangs have diff. classes to them and I cant compare all of them to your Z without pissing you off. Its like Ford is in a Branch with so many other makers of the Mustang. Its like their car is seperate from all the high performance Mustangs. I look at all of them and see if the Z or the Stang has more potential.

TheSR20Drifter..............you shouldnt even come at all, didnt even say one good damn thing in my behalf. Tell me to give it up? Hey screw you man..........I'll give it up when people admit that Saleen, Rousche, SVT, Steeda, are not comparable to a Z or a modded Z(im comparing them so eventually you people will admit they are not comparable to a Z). They are Mustangs too Nacho, yea Nacho, they are high performance MUSTANGS!!!!!

Nacho(15y/0) I have just about had it with you. Maybe I should bring you into a Ford forum where you will be the sole man fighting an army. Then all of them will laugh at your ass. So look at it at a different perspective and stop being an asshole. Even LonglivetheZ is not as bad as you. Grow up........



your right the Z isnt truely comparible. but tell me y the 3.5 non-charged is able to not be spanked by your larger powered vehicles.
and the potential of the 3.5L on stock interals is roughly 350 to the wheels.

mikegee
12-02-2003, 08:02 PM
Lol the reason im ranting and raving about high performance Mustangs is because some of you think the Z is the winner. Surely there is no way I can compare Saleens to the Z because it is a roadrunner. But this is exactly my point. Which car technically is better? The Saleen or the Z? Or the Steeda, Rousche, SVT? People I am just saying these cars are sweet and faster because some of you say if you modified your "hatchback(cracks me up)"Z , then you will be able to perform better than the high performance Stangs, not true. My point is therefore proven. High Performance Mustangs cannot be compared because they are in different classes and the Z can't top that. Sure the Z wins against the 2003 GT but that is about the only one, possibly Mach1 in a racetrack. Longlive theZ, take another car and try to mod it to be faster than the top of the line Mustangs. The Z doesnt have the engine for it.

So there you have it, mainly talking to that asshole Nacho and Z-Man LonglivetheZ, that there is no way that modded Z's will compare to the high performance Stangs. Fuck the stock and GT right now, Ford didn't make them with power, GET IT. I cant help it if the GT is not like it should be but that Mach1 compares greatly with the Z. Of course it came in second on the track, its all about turning and the basic Mustangs dont have that. There has to be some kind of medium we can reach here. Mustangs have diff. classes to them and I cant compare all of them to your Z without pissing you off. Its like Ford is in a Branch with so many other makers of the Mustang. Its like their car is seperate from all the high performance Mustangs. I look at all of them and see if the Z or the Stang has more potential.

TheSR20Drifter..............you shouldnt even come at all, didnt even say one good damn thing in my behalf. Tell me to give it up? Hey screw you man..........I'll give it up when people admit that Saleen, Rousche, SVT, Steeda, are not comparable to a Z or a modded Z(im comparing them so eventually you people will admit they are not comparable to a Z). They are Mustangs too Nacho, yea Nacho, they are high performance MUSTANGS!!!!!

Nacho(15y/0) I have just about had it with you. Maybe I should bring you into a Ford forum where you will be the sole man fighting an army. Then all of them will laugh at your ass. So look at it at a different perspective and stop being an asshole. Even LonglivetheZ is not as bad as you. Grow up........


what are common 1/4 miles time for the saleen s7?

F23A4Racer750IL
12-02-2003, 08:31 PM
first of svt the Z aint a hatchback its a roadster its not a CRX. and second wanna see what a modded Z makes and dont forget u got the extra 2 cyl's. not that matter cuz ford dont no how to make power out of there large displacement. ok heres some info wat modded Z's make rite outta turbo magazine.

2003 Z w/ a stillen S/C @only 5.7psi made 312hp w/o pulley upgrade.

2003 Z w/ a ATI procharger centrigual S/C @ 7psi w/o pulley upgrade made 369hp

2003 Z w/ a TT kit from Greddy using twin TD05H-18G turbos @ onlt 5.6psi w/ a ECu and injectors upgrade made 334.

if u dont believe im sure someone hear has seen the article and u could look it up on turbomagazine.com

the Z doesnt have the engine for it. If a honda B18 can make close to 1,000hp a Z will definitly able to when more OEM companies start tuning. that made no sense. the VQ engine series is one of the most sophisticated engines on the market. go drive ur rouche im sure ill see u on the side of the highway broken down. the only time u see a stang go fast is when its on the top of a flatbed. i dont wanna pick a fite but how could u talk shit bout a Z when u dont even no nething bout it.

F23A4Racer750IL
12-02-2003, 08:36 PM
and lets see those cars handle.

svtcobra007x
12-02-2003, 08:48 PM
Mikegee, I just looked it up on the internet and the S7 can do 11 to 11.8 seconds in 1/4 mile. 0-60 in 3.3 seconds.

Well F23ArRacer I guess I believe what you are saying is true but it seems a little bit overboard. Yet I would love to see it go past 200 mph and do 3.8 seconds like the Saleen Mustang SR does. Which also has superb handling plus I am sure it can be modded in more aspects. The MACH 1 which puts out 305 horses can also have a lot of that superchargered and turbo shit put on it so a basic Mustang can still compare to the modded Z.

I need more info than that though, like the speed times with all that shit on it.

90Stangjc
12-02-2003, 09:05 PM
And for all you other jack asses out there who just simply love to compare cars that are not in their class to others *cough*90Stangjc*cough* please stop your stupidity from going on further for people who know the difference between the clutch and the brake pedal laugh at you, bewildered in your dumbfoundedness. I'm sure there are more of you, but I just read this page and already know what this thread is about.
Are you completely stupid? EVERYONE in here is comparing a V6 sports car to a V8 sports car-THESE TWO CARS ARN'T IN THE SAME CLASS!!!!!!! The guy that i was making a point two was the one comparing the "*V6 Accord*" to the mustang. I was simply stating that he didnt know what the f he was talking about, so i made it clear that if he was going to bring up something stupid like that-then so was i. I dont take lightly to people not knowing what the fuck they are talking about, so i make fun of them. Obviously you dont know too much or you would have realized exacly what was going on, now who's laughing?? I was simply browsing through this page and saw "mustangs suck"so i responded. how do you judge a car you DONT KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT???? I dont sit here and say HONDA'S suck because i've never owned one and therefore i dont make a opinion about it.

F23A4Racer750IL
12-02-2003, 09:13 PM
Mikegee, I just looked it up on the internet and the S7 can do 11 to 11.8 seconds in 1/4 mile. 0-60 in 3.3 seconds.

Well F23ArRacer I guess I believe what you are saying is true but it seems a little bit overboard. Yet I would love to see it go past 200 mph and do 3.8 seconds like the Saleen Mustang SR does. Which also has superb handling plus I am sure it can be modded in more aspects. The MACH 1 which puts out 305 horses can also have a lot of that superchargered and turbo shit put on it so a basic Mustang can still compare to the modded Z.

I need more info than that though, like the speed times with all that shit on it.

ok i understand wat u mean but u cant compare the 2. the S2000 and the Z is a perfect comparison. the Stang and the new GTO another good comparison. but not the Z and the stang or the saleen or the rouche or the bullit or ne other mustang under the sun. and those cars cost alot more. thats like comparing a Civic Si to a NSX. theres to much of a difference. if u wanna make a comparison between prices then we can do a WRX and a stang GT. and 3.8 secs ive never herd of that. please prove me wrong though. and the Z is only a lil over a full year old. the 4.6 liter has been around a lil longer.

svtcobra007x
12-02-2003, 09:54 PM
Ok well here is the site with the Saleen Mustang SR specs. Im sorry about 3.8 seconds, its actually 4.0 seconds but I wasn't really far off.

http://www.saleenunlimited.com/sr/specs.asp

I'm not too happy with the current engine they are using in the Mustang, its a 4.6L but the standard GT could have a lot more potential with a stronger engine. I hope for 2005 they move back to the 5.0 liters.

In that same web site, here is all the specs for all of the Saleens.
http://www.saleenunlimited.com/specs/default.asp

nacho_nissan
12-02-2003, 09:56 PM
this kid is retarded...
But he just said the first smart thing he's ever said!(svtcobra007x) "Ford didn't make them with power..." Of course,and thats what we're trying to tell you..FORD SUCKS! Do u see a 350Z Saleen?? I dont think so... They only help the people who need them..."oh look,ford makes those bad handling,weak power cars,i say we help them.." :iceslolan Get my point... Nissan makes some of the best engines,like those V8 TWIN TURBO...
I say someone in here should take ur foxy 5.0 to a track,see what a mustang really is about... :naughty:

F23A4Racer750IL
12-02-2003, 10:03 PM
Ok well here is the site with the Saleen Mustang SR specs. Im sorry about 3.8 seconds, its actually 4.0 seconds but I wasn't really far off.

http://www.saleenunlimited.com/sr/specs.asp

I'm not too happy with the current engine they are using in the Mustang, its a 4.6L but the standard GT could have a lot more potential with a stronger engine. I hope for 2005 they move back to the 5.0 liters.

In that same web site, here is all the specs for all of the Saleens.
http://www.saleenunlimited.com/specs/default.asp

thats its 6.0 time rite. and the 2005 Stang is suppose to be a 3 valve 4.6L. the 5.0. is gone forget bout it. that thing was a torque monster but it ended there. its a 5.0L for christ sakes it couldnt even make over 250hp w/ the exception of the cobra.

svtcobra007x
12-02-2003, 10:05 PM
Nacho if only they used the Mach 1 engine in the GT(32 valves in Mach 1) then there performance for it would not have been so overlooked. I expect more from them next year. I like my 5.0 engine in my 1989 GT right now though. It has modified heads which cost around 500 bucks to replace. It may not be the most powerful but when you turn the key and it fires up, it sounds and feels a whole lot better than the current GT's. I hope there next engine brings that feeling back but adds more power.

TheSR20Drifter
12-02-2003, 10:19 PM
This is what you should've said.

Lol the reason im ranting and raving about high performance Mustangs is because it's that time of the month and some of you KNOW the Z is the winner. Surely there is a way I can compare Saleens to the Z because it is a roadrunner. But this is exactly my point. Which car technically is better? The Saleen or the Z? Or the Steeda, Rousche, SVT? People I am just saying these cars are boring and slow because some of you say if you modified your "hatchback(I love hatchbacks, because back in the day, mustangs were hatches too)"Z , then you will be able to perform better than the high performance Stangs, true. My point is therefore proven. High Performance Mustangs cannot be compared because they are in different classes and the Z can't top that [I finally got it through my thick head not to compare different classes of cars]. Sure the Z wins against the 2003 GT but that is about the only one, possibly Mach1 in a racetrack. Longlive theZ, keep your car and mod it to be faster than the top of the line Mustangs. The Z has the engine for it, for the Z came with the VQ35DE and it is very stout.

So there you have it, mainly talking to that cool guy Nacho and Z-Man LonglivetheZ, that there is definitely a way that modded Z's will compare to the high performance Stangs. Fuck the stock and GT like i get rammed in the ass, right now, because Ford didn't make them with power, GET IT. I cant help it if the GT is not like it should be but that Mach1 compares greatly with the Z. Of course it came in second on the track, its all about turning and the basic Mustangs dont have that. There is not some kind of medium we can reach here, sorry. Mustangs have diff. classes to them and I can compare all of them to your Z without pissing you off. Its like Ford is in a Branch with so many other makers of the Mustang. Its like their car is seperate from all the high performance Mustangs. I look at all of them and see if the Z or the Stang has more potential.

TheSR20Drifter..............you should have come. didnt even say one good damn thing in my behalf. Tell me to give it up? Hey screw you man, I want you to screw me because I am a fagget like that..........I'll give up my sweet ass when people admit that Saleen, Rousche, SVT, Steeda, are comparable to a Z or a modded Z(im comparing them so eventually you people will admit they are comparable to a Z).

Nacho(15y/0) I have just about had it with you. Maybe I should bring you into a Ford forum where you will be rammed in the ass by 40 or so beer guzzling rednecks and will be the sole man fighting an army. Then all of them will cum in your ass. So look at it at a different perspective and stop being a cool kid. Even LonglivetheZ is not as cool as you. Stay how you are........

svtcobra007x
12-02-2003, 10:27 PM
LOL. Even though I dislike some of the changes you made in there I gotta admit that is pretty damn funny.

nacho_nissan
12-02-2003, 10:31 PM
Hey thanx Svtcobra,i guess those 11 pages did make u change ur mind after all...well all i got to say is that i knew you where gay all along,but i still admire you for understanding the Z is always the best... My lawn mower also makes a nice sound like your mustang,but we have the same little problem,they are really slow man,but keep up the good work...

svtcobra007x
12-02-2003, 10:39 PM
Yea.........right...........Nacho. I will never fully bow down to the Z, because why...............Saleens, Steedas, Rouches, SVT's ROCK. Those are my fav. Mustangs. Well anyway can someone please end this forum because I am getting sick and tired of arguing. I hate repeating myself.

TheSR20Drifter
12-02-2003, 11:04 PM
Okay, now I will get serious, but, for some reason, I like all of this arguing and I think I am getting some kind of cheap thrill doing it. I just might stay. All of my inserts and thoughts were put into brackets [ ]

Lol the reason im ranting and raving about high performance Mustangs is because some of you think the Z is the winner. Surely there is no way I can compare Saleens to the Z because it is a roadrunner. But this is exactly my point. Which car technically is better? The Saleen or the Z? Or the Steeda, Rousche, SVT? People I am just saying these cars are sweet and faster because some of you say if you modified your "hatchback(cracks me up)"Z , then you will be able to perform better than the high performance Stangs, not true.

[ this is definitely a dumb statement on your behalf, for, with the right amount of money and tuning, a Z could easily contend with a mustang, keyword is money ]

My point is therefore proven. High Performance Mustangs cannot be compared because they are in different classes and the Z can't top that. Sure the Z wins against the 2003 GT but that is about the only one, possibly Mach1 in a racetrack. Longlive theZ, take another car and try to mod it to be faster than the top of the line Mustangs. The Z doesnt have the engine for it.

[ the Z definitely has the engine for it, even a B16A has the engine for it. I don't think you have the authority to judge what car has the right engine to tune ]

So there you have it, mainly talking to that asshole Nacho and Z-Man LonglivetheZ, that there is no way that modded Z's will compare to the high performance Stangs.

[ where in the FUCK did you get that idea?!?!?!?! there has never been recorded tests that proves this idiotic statement. Therefore, this is false and you know this ]

Fuck the stock and GT right now, Ford didn't make them with power, GET IT. I cant help it if the GT is not like it should be but that Mach1 compares greatly with the Z. Of course it came in second on the track, its all about turning and the basic Mustangs dont have that. There has to be some kind of medium we can reach here. Mustangs have diff. classes to them and I cant compare all of them to your Z without pissing you off.

[ by far, the stupidest statement that I have ever read coming up... ]

Its like Ford is in a Branch with so many other makers of the Mustang. Its like their car is seperate from all the high performance Mustangs. I look at all of them and see if the Z or the Stang has more potential.

[ only ford makes the mustang you twit, unless there is some other company that we don't know about. No, the car is not seperate from the other mustangs for they all use the Mustang platform. Yes, you said " its like"

TheSR20Drifter..............you shouldnt even come at all, didnt even say one good damn thing in my behalf.

[ this has absolutely nothing to do with the point you are trying to get across ]

Tell me to give it up? Hey screw you man

[ sorry, I dont swing that way]

..........I'll give it up when people admit that Saleen, Rousche, SVT, Steeda, are not comparable to a Z or a modded Z

[dont tell others what to admit, let them have their own opinion]

(im comparing them so eventually you people will admit they are not comparable to a Z). They are Mustangs too Nacho, yea Nacho, they are high performance MUSTANGS!!!!!

Nacho(15y/0) I have just about had it with you. Maybe I should bring you into a Ford forum where you will be the sole man fighting an army. Then all of them will laugh at your ass. So look at it at a different perspective and stop being an asshole. Even LonglivetheZ is not as bad as you. Grow up........

I really dont know what to think except that you are a very gay little man. You also keep mentioning the 2005 Mustang......WE DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT IT......we'll know the true specs when it comes out, quit living in the future, and live in the present. Thats about it unless you make another dumb remark, which i know you will.

nacho_nissan
12-02-2003, 11:13 PM
Well anyway can someone please end this forum because I am getting sick and tired of arguing.
did u mean thread?? Idiot! Why cant u keep going anymore?? U pussied out on the 12th page?? Man i thought mustang people were tough! :loser: well we can end it right here,but like we all knew,the z walks of as the champ :sunglasse

SkylineUSA
12-03-2003, 01:00 AM
To compare two cars, one must drive both.

The Mustang is a very tunable car, the aftermarket is huge. The 350Z is in its infant stage when it comes the its aftermarket, so the Mustang has a huge advantage.

To tell you the truth, I would love to have either car in my garage. Most cars have there good points and there bad points, but in order to really talk about a comparision you must have driven them.

Times do not mean anything, hp numbers do not mean anything.

longlivetheZ
12-03-2003, 02:05 AM
As for longlivetheZ, thanks for the clarification. I guess I tend to get longwinded at times. :biggrin:

Ha...talk about long winded....check out post #146. :biggrin:

"hatchback(cracks me up)"Z

Ok...what's funny? Hatchbacks are very aerodynamic by design. I'm convinced Ford hasn't heard of aerodynamics yet.

To whoever called the Z a roadster, It is a hatch back, not a roadster. The new convertable is a roadster. The hard top is a hatch back, carrying on the Z tradition.

I really dont know what to think except that you are a very gay little man. You also keep mentioning the 2005 Mustang......WE DO NOT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT IT......we'll know the true specs when it comes out, quit living in the future, and live in the present. Thats about it unless you make another dumb remark, which i know you will.

You rock, man. :lol2:

Svt...you're an idiot. You say YOU'RE tired of repeating yourself. You have the thickest skull ever. Is it not sinking in when...like...5 diff people all say that SVT, rouch (how ever the hell you spell it), saleen, steeda, blah blah blah are modified cars? What the hell is wrong with you? You think the mustangs are great when a mustang can't even almost compete against a *STOCK V6* without tons of mods. That's lame, man. You're comparing the Saleen shit (some of it in excess of *$100,000*) to the stock Z is like comparing a Z06 vette to a stock 86 Corolla. You're so stupid. You even compared the Z against the *$400,000* S7. Now you're saying the GT-R is a fair comparison against the S7 or whatever it was. The GT-R that costs about $30,000 is comparable to the $400,000 S7....you are an idiot. To top it off, a modded GT-R could beat the S7. I even posted the link to the article about the streetable GT-R running 8's or 9's or what ever it was.

Ok...this will settle it. Check out this old school 300ZX TT (Kyle's car) on this site (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/ulstreetcarc.html) that's running 10.44 at *OVER 140 MILES PER HOUR* and it's a DAILY DRIVER. I can pick up one of these cars in execellent condition for under $15,000. SGP Racing is kinda the 300ZX equivilant to fords 29435692374235 modifiers like roush and steeda and blah blah blah. That car completely walks all OVER even the BEST car in your mustang comparo arsenal...the SR with 11.8 1/4 mile. The OLD Z beats that *$158,000* shitstain...I mean...mustang by OVER A SECOND AND A HALF. All this said without even bringing up the 740+ whp 300ZXTT that I have set as my wall paper. Just wait until the aftermarket opens up more for the 350, which has an engine with even higher potential (whoever posted something that said the VQ is limited to 350 whp is living under a rock), as it has already done with the 300.

Check out the other cars on that page...daily driven Supras running 690 RWHP and 676 LB. FT. torque on a completely stock Bottom and Top End!!!!!!!!!!!!! Runs 10.00 @ 136. How's that for a totally stock engined car! And you don't know how a Supra can beat the saleen what ever...you just don't know cars, man.

Even when the mustang is modded and has given it's all, it still can't hold a candle to the Z or the Supra. I think I know what happened. You saw the mustang once and thought it was great...you just KNOW it's the fastest, best car ever in the history of the universe and nothing can beat it ever. Wake up, man. Mustangs are lame. As you've read above, the Z and the Supra are comparable cars price wise, goal wise, and even have SMALLER ENGINES, yet they are vastly superior in every sense. You can't argue that. You just can't. I'm bein real here...not pokin fun or anything...you need to quit being so damn hard headed and look at facts. Mustangs just aren't shit. I'll go into the Mustang forum too, if you want. You were talking about how it'd be diff there....it's still the same shitty car. Mustangs are lame and I think you know that but are either in denial, or you don't wanna admit you're wrong, so you go off making wild, bizarre comparisons...these $140,000+ saleens to a stock 350Z. Come on, man...do you really think that's legitimate [sp.]? Just admit you're wrong, will you? I would say "save your pride" but that went bye bye a loooooooong time ago.

Long Live The Z.

rizzspeed
12-03-2003, 11:26 AM
Is this thread still going? I figured most of you guys would've run outta breath by now! Give it up already! Point proven! NEXT TOPIC!!

svtcobra007x
12-03-2003, 03:34 PM
I like what Skyline said, didnt criticize anyone but stayed with the facts and the obvious.

LonglivetheZ, you didn't end it there. That guy basically took his current car and modified that to the rim, I'm sure if I took take a Mach1 and mod it to the rim, the results could produce the same to his Z. Anyone can take an average car and make it perform like a jet. For god sakes the guy even put NItrous oxide in his engine. Of course it's going to get good times, Nitrous is so cheap to produce faster times. Take Nitrous out of it and then see what happens. Hell maybe I should put some nitrous oxide in the Saleen SR. But who cares about NOS............

Actually Longlive this will make you shit in your pants. Try to get a Nissan to do a quarter mile in mid 8's. Check this site out.

http://www.modularpower.com/wordlsfastest.htm
8.74 @ 156+mph. over 1000 horses!
World fastest 2 valve stock GT Mustang. Yea it looks as if it does hold a candle to the Z and Supra. Dude this shows that people can mod cars to be some of the fastest in the world. Its so obvious and your last post was a waste, went on and on about your opinions of how sweet the Z is, and of course you never said one thing good about the Mustang.

Dont worry I have overlooked modded Mustangs by people and there are a whole lot more out there...so we are probably not going to get anywhere with this...both the Z and the Mustang can be modded highly.........it all comes down to opinions, which car do you like better.

svtcobra007x
12-03-2003, 03:54 PM
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0309mms2_lynch/

Might want to check this Mustang out too, faster than the one I posted before. It's able to put out 1850 hp. Quarter mile 7.16 at 195mph. Now granted its a pure race car but it is damn fast though.

nacho_nissan
12-03-2003, 05:21 PM
I see 6 second civics you stupid fuck!
Oh man,you keep getting stupider...A 8 second car is one of the fastest in the world :rofl: You need to search,700hp skylines and supras run 8's... By the way,they both can do it on a stock block!

svtcobra007x
12-03-2003, 05:28 PM
Show me your 6 second civics, well I don't know if it can be done, but I need evidence of your info. YOUR SUCH A BULLSHITTER, naive 15 Y/O ....

Nacho, theres a thing called Listening. LISTEN!!. Look, I didnt say that the 7 and 8 second Stangs were the fastest in the world.......I said they were VERY DAMN FAST and those mods were done on a GT engine. Who's the stupid one? Umm you........you obviously forget everything I say when you post.

SkylineUSA
12-03-2003, 05:32 PM
6 sec Civics, really. Do you have any links?

The Outlaws have weight standards, there are class limitations as well. If that car was an all out race car, it would dive into the 6s with no problems.

As soon as you curse, you lose.

svtcobra007x
12-03-2003, 06:04 PM
hey guys,im from the nissan forums but i have a question for ya'll,please help...
Is a 305 a 5.0l engine?
Is a 350 a 5.7l engine?
how many hp do these produce??
Thanx for the help,laterz..

You see my point on Nacho proven..........

mikegee
12-03-2003, 06:36 PM
Ha...talk about long winded....check out post #146. :biggrin:



Ok...what's funny? Hatchbacks are very aerodynamic by design. I'm convinced Ford hasn't heard of aerodynamics yet.

To whoever called the Z a roadster, It is a hatch back, not a roadster. The new convertable is a roadster. The hard top is a hatch back, carrying on the Z tradition.



You rock, man. :lol2:

Svt...you're an idiot. You say YOU'RE tired of repeating yourself. You have the thickest skull ever. Is it not sinking in when...like...5 diff people all say that SVT, rouch (how ever the hell you spell it), saleen, steeda, blah blah blah are modified cars? What the hell is wrong with you? You think the mustangs are great when a mustang can't even almost compete against a *STOCK V6* without tons of mods. That's lame, man. You're comparing the Saleen shit (some of it in excess of *$100,000*) to the stock Z is like comparing a Z06 vette to a stock 86 Corolla. You're so stupid. You even compared the Z against the *$400,000* S7. Now you're saying the GT-R is a fair comparison against the S7 or whatever it was. The GT-R that costs about $30,000 is comparable to the $400,000 S7....you are an idiot. To top it off, a modded GT-R could beat the S7. I even posted the link to the article about the streetable GT-R running 8's or 9's or what ever it was.

Ok...this will settle it. Check out this old school 300ZX TT (Kyle's car) on this site (http://store.yahoo.com/sgpracing-store/ulstreetcarc.html) that's running 10.44 at *OVER 140 MILES PER HOUR* and it's a DAILY DRIVER. I can pick up one of these cars in execellent condition for under $15,000. SGP Racing is kinda the 300ZX equivilant to fords 29435692374235 modifiers like roush and steeda and blah blah blah. That car completely walks all OVER even the BEST car in your mustang comparo arsenal...the SR with 11.8 1/4 mile. The OLD Z beats that *$158,000* shitstain...I mean...mustang by OVER A SECOND AND A HALF. All this said without even bringing up the 740+ whp 300ZXTT that I have set as my wall paper. Just wait until the aftermarket opens up more for the 350, which has an engine with even higher potential (whoever posted something that said the VQ is limited to 350 whp is living under a rock), as it has already done with the 300.

Check out the other cars on that page...daily driven Supras running 690 RWHP and 676 LB. FT. torque on a completely stock Bottom and Top End!!!!!!!!!!!!! Runs 10.00 @ 136. How's that for a totally stock engined car! And you don't know how a Supra can beat the saleen what ever...you just don't know cars, man.

Even when the mustang is modded and has given it's all, it still can't hold a candle to the Z or the Supra. I think I know what happened. You saw the mustang once and thought it was great...you just KNOW it's the fastest, best car ever in the history of the universe and nothing can beat it ever. Wake up, man. Mustangs are lame. As you've read above, the Z and the Supra are comparable cars price wise, goal wise, and even have SMALLER ENGINES, yet they are vastly superior in every sense. You can't argue that. You just can't. I'm bein real here...not pokin fun or anything...you need to quit being so damn hard headed and look at facts. Mustangs just aren't shit. I'll go into the Mustang forum too, if you want. You were talking about how it'd be diff there....it's still the same shitty car. Mustangs are lame and I think you know that but are either in denial, or you don't wanna admit you're wrong, so you go off making wild, bizarre comparisons...these $140,000+ saleens to a stock 350Z. Come on, man...do you really think that's legitimate [sp.]? Just admit you're wrong, will you? I would say "save your pride" but that went bye bye a loooooooong time ago.

Long Live The Z.



is the 86 corolla converted into a drift machine and tuned to ahhh id say 380 to 400 rear wheel horse power. ae86 anyone? :)

mikegee
12-03-2003, 06:41 PM
I like what Skyline said, didnt criticize anyone but stayed with the facts and the obvious.

LonglivetheZ, you didn't end it there. That guy basically took his current car and modified that to the rim, I'm sure if I took take a Mach1 and mod it to the rim, the results could produce the same to his Z. Anyone can take an average car and make it perform like a jet. For god sakes the guy even put NItrous oxide in his engine. Of course it's going to get good times, Nitrous is so cheap to produce faster times. Take Nitrous out of it and then see what happens. Hell maybe I should put some nitrous oxide in the Saleen SR. But who cares about NOS............

Actually Longlive this will make you shit in your pants. Try to get a Nissan to do a quarter mile in mid 8's. Check this site out.

http://www.modularpower.com/wordlsfastest.htm
8.74 @ 156+mph. over 1000 horses!
World fastest 2 valve stock GT Mustang. Yea it looks as if it does hold a candle to the Z and Supra. Dude this shows that people can mod cars to be some of the fastest in the world. Its so obvious and your last post was a waste, went on and on about your opinions of how sweet the Z is, and of course you never said one thing good about the Mustang.

Dont worry I have overlooked modded Mustangs by people and there are a whole lot more out there...so we are probably not going to get anywhere with this...both the Z and the Mustang can be modded highly.........it all comes down to opinions, which car do you like better.

if someone can make a front drive 4 banger run high 7s then anyone can can make a nissan run 6s and i think it has been done. there's more then one v6 solora that is running mid 6s.

nacho_nissan
12-03-2003, 07:29 PM
[QUOTE=svtcobra007x]8.74 @ 156+mph. over 1000 horses!
World fastest 2 valve stock GT Mustang. Yea it looks as if it does hold a candle to the Z and Supra. Dude this shows that people can mod cars to be some of the fastest in the world.[QUOTE]
Oh,my bad,then who posted this??

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