350z Sucks!

[QUOTE=svtcobra007x]He might be right that it has a lot of internal problems.




ford makes terrible trannies.

I just have a reply for the svt cobra guy - you aren't flaming, you sound cool, I don't want to pick a fight or anything - but I will say this - I've had my 350Z for over a year now - and I've yet to lose a race to a Mustang GT. (The six cylinder isn't even worth mentioning).
The F-bodies, on the other hand, hold their own very well, (I'm talking non-modded cars on all accounts, mine included)... A Z-28 is almost even and will pull on me a little, and I've had a WS6 and a Camaro SS that both pulled on me but gave me a thumbs up and said "that is a FAST car"...
I haven't paired up with a new SVT, but I'm sure they will eat me up, as I said, I'm not trying to flame, either - but I'd like to take on a stock LS1 or SVT on a road race, any day - the Z handles like a dream.
Peace out.

svtcobra007x, hey nice pics, my favorite muscle car would be the 69 boss mustang 429.

I see what you are saying Trout. You are absolutely correct when it comes to beating Mustang Gts on the road with your new Z. They come with more power than a GT even though they are V6's. Ford for some reason does not include a lot of power with the GT's and looking back on the past models, it is obviously repetitive. When it comes to SVTs, yea probably the Nissan will lose in a race and all. But you have to remember that SVTs come with more power under the hood, especially the Cobra R, so they are kinda of in different classes. Though if you put a turbo or any other mod under the hood of your Nissan, you will probably bump up to the Cobra's class and then they compare to one another. Maybe the 2005 Mustang GT will start to compare more with the Z considering the fact that they are putting around 280 to 310 horses under the hood, and also using a lighter chassis which the Ford Thunderbird also uses.


http://www.timemachinesinc.com/pics/boss429/Dscn0006.jpg


OoNismoO, it is a very nice muscle car, with the 429 under the hood it sounds great.

Yo LonglivetheZ, remove that sig before the admin. does, you gotta understand I didn't mean what you thought. Yea I know I didnt finish that car competition thing but I will. Though I dont need to finish that in order for that sig to be removed. Come on man play it cool.

svt: I don't care what year. Just as long as it's not some 1 in 1,000 car that is just not very realistic. Has to be a common production car.

Other guy: I agree. I don't know why people swear up and down by their domestic big blocks and what not. Some people just can't get it through their heads that a good car is more then just a big brick with a massive engine in it. I also don't get people's obsession with drag racing and 0-60 times.....yaaaaay....I can make a car go mach 1 in a straight line, but I have to take turns on the freeway at 35. Don't get me wrong....0-60 times are fun and a good measure of a car's acceleration and I like drag racing...it's fun and all and I've watched it on TV for as long as I can remember, but damn guys.....come on.......there's more to a true sports cars and performance cars in general then just going down a 1/4 mile long sidewalk.

I can count on 2 hands the domestic V8 cars that I would like to have.

I'd like a Buick Grand National.......see sig.
Z06...pretty cool cars. Fast. Looks good. Kinda unique......kinda.
Some old muscle cars are cool....none in particular, really...they're all kinda the same to me.
I'd probably give a nut for an original Shelby Cobra......el drool....
An old Shelby GT500 would kick major ass too.
I think there's one or two more, but I can't think of any....you get my point though.



my point is the quote in the sig. bout turning at 40. if what he said he really believes then fine. but some people do care bout cornering. like me id rather own a car with 200 whp thats handles like a work of art vs. a car that can reach a 1/4 in low to mid 10s that handles like stock.

[QUOTE=svtcobra007x]He might be right that it has a lot of internal problems.

True, no car is perfect, I guess my point had more to do with someone starting a thread called "350Z Sucks!" in a 350Z forum when they obviously have never even driven one.

I have yet to experience any internal problems with my '04 Touring model but the car is so much fun to drive that I would put up with any that arose.

[QUOTE=svtcobra007x]He might be right that it has a lot of internal problems.

True, no car is perfect, I guess my point had more to do with someone starting a thread called "350Z Sucks!" in a 350Z forum when they obviously have never even driven one.

I have yet to experience any internal problems with my '04 Touring model but the car is so much fun to drive that I would put up with any that arose.

Dude, you're the moron. You don't have to buy the car in order to make a judgement. You think I have to buy a Pinto in order to know it suck?
I can clearly make an appropriate car purchase and even make a general statement about mechanical issue and such, with the knowledge abtained from other car owners and forum. Plus, put on some glasses and read the original thread carefully, dude - I'm not even dissing the Z. As a matter of fact, it's the quite the opposite.

I know you are obviously not dissing it but why does the title of this forum say "350z Sucks!"? I believe the person who started it points to you. I dont know..........just doesnt make sense...........

Why should I refrain myself from posting a contestable topic? This is a reasonable thread as any others and issues that are raised here are informative to me, nonetheless. Your original issue that you had with me is that how can I make a judgement call about the car when I don't own one. With a moderate research, a person, clearly, does not have to own anything in order to make a valid opinion about the product. Before I bought my brand new '99 sr5 4runner, I already knew that it was a stable car. As for the 350z, I'm still not completely sure about it's mechanical stability. That's why I'm here - to get some assurance before I, potentially, plot down an enormous amount of money ($3500)for the Veilside 3 bodykit, 4k for the stillen super charger, which I'll put on before I even start driving it).

Why should I refrain myself from posting a contestable topic? This is a reasonable thread as any others and issues that are raised here are informative to me, nonetheless. Your original issue that you had with me is that how can I make a judgement call about the car when I don't own one. With a moderate research, a person, clearly, does not have to own anything in order to make a valid opinion about the product. Before I bought my brand new '99 sr5 4runner, I already knew that it was a stable car. As for the 350z, I'm still not completely sure about it's mechanical stability. That's why I'm here - to get some assurance before I, potentially, plot down an enormous amount of money ($3500)for the Veilside 3 bodykit, 4k for the stillen super charger, which I'll put on before I even start driving it).

Alright that does make sense now.

well i think making a post that says "350z Sucks!" was smart... i mean if you want attention then y not dis a car in its own section? lol makes sense to me.

When this post first started you wrote that a mustang could kill any jap crap car nissan... first of all try not to offend people with the racial slurs... i myself am japanese... secondly in the late 80's ford's reliabuility was considered "almost" as good as the worst japanese car which was mazda at the time because they just started using the rotary engine which was the size of a v4 had the power of a v6 but ate gas like a v8... well they improved them a lot now... japanese cars are at the top of the reliabuility department right next to german cars... finally any nissan? you may have changed your mind by now cause i read all the posts but im suprised no one even mentioned the nissan skyline... i mean cmon its one of the fastests cars out... he was talking about super cars like saleens n other crap y not talk about the skyline which by the way i have seen have up to 1250hp run low 9's... id like to see a mustang do that without blowing up... not to mention it has 4wd so its cornering is better than good...

ill tell the truth now..i dont kno much about mustangs but i agree that more displacement is better if you want a really fast car but the thing is that american companies ONLY look at the displacement and power so they get a huge engine, put it on a heavy chasis, and huge tires in the rear... ok so it should launch fast? they don't do much to reduce weight or improve turning... i believe that the older dodge viper's engine is considered one of the worse engines made... even the new one is pretty slow compared to the power... most cars with that much power would most likey run 11's depending on which car... Also i hate the cheap CRAP that they put on mustangs... i have always known that the side scoops were fake knoing that it is a front engine car but i thought that the front scoop was real.. i mean y not... i just assumed that it worked and accepted it but one day i was curiouse and i walked up to one to see a peice of plastic... how areodynamic is that!?! thats got to ad about 50 horses dont u think!?! i mean i think that the wrx's scoops is a little over done but at least it works...

a lot people say u get more "bang for the buck" when you buy an american car like a mustang but not by me... maybe you get more power for the buck but definately not the quality lol... well i kno ur probably bored of listening to me now so ill end it here...

i just cant understand y people think american cars are so great. "oh they have v8 power with 300 horses" but only running high 14s to mid 15s. "its a different kinda power itll snap ya neck back and thorugh you in the seat" whats the point of all that power if theres no traction and worst of all whats the point of all that power if ya just arnt going anywhere. i dont wanna blow thrown back in my seat i wanna run high 14's with just 225 front wheel horse power and pay less then $23,000 for it. and as for the skyline i seen report of a gt-r being put on a dyno and the read outs were about 358whp. and that stang that has 300hp aint getting that power to the ground.

thats y i love the skyline so much :smile: its got lots of power and can actually use it for racing and not just burning out... i just wish they would sell it in america... i kno that the new one is but i think that one is damn ugly and i think they said that it was heavier too.. a little tooned down... :mad: thats pretty gay but hey... its a skyline and i probably wont be able to afford it, well not ne time soon...

The Nissan Skyliner may be a fast car but why dont you people look at the big picture. They dont make Ford Mustangs to race on the tracks or even Cobras. Its Steeda, Rousche, and Saleen that take these Mustangs and make them raceable. Oh cmon, you guys are bullshitting your Skyliner so much. A Saleen SR compares if not faster than a Skyliner. And I am also a big fan of Saleen, so I can use the S7 if I chose to. The Saleen S7, check out the stats, is a fast mutha(0-60: 3.3s). You might pay around 300,000-400,000 but when it comes to racing, it is on the top charts of one of the fastest cars in the world. No not individual countries, the WORLD.

I dont know what year this skyline GTR is but it is rather recent. I want you to look at 0-60. Looks like 4.7 seconds. And top speed doesnt really compare with S7.
http://www.automotivearticles.com/infiniti-nissan/gt-rspecs.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/fastcars/images/saleen-s7-03.jpg

Dude......QUIT bringing up the damn S7...it costs as much as a damn HOUSE. It BETTER be fast as hell for that much money.

The Skyline is a very fast car. Around 4.8 stock. It's true beauty is in it's potential. You can pick one up in New Zealand, Europe, and Japan for less then 30,000 US dollars and it would make the S7, which costs around 4 times as much, look twice. You try comparing all these extreme Saleens and mustangs to the STOCK 350Z....they SHOULD be compared to the Skyline.


...ill tell the truth now..i dont kno much about mustangs but i agree that more displacement is better if you want a really fast car...

Pretty dumb statement. For example....one of the fastest cars ever made...Porsche 959 (I actually SAW ONE!!!) was a flat 6, electronically controlled AWD (very similar to the Skyline), sequential turbo charged (Like the late Supra) and did not have a very large engine. This car has been compared to the McLaren F1 (the Holy Grail of cars) and the Ferrari F40 (amazing car). The ONLY V8 that Porsche EVER had in production was the 928. Damn fast car. But look at the 911s...the 996 is fucking INSANE...they're fast STOCK (spedo registers 190...it'll do about 200 STOCK) and people modify them. The early 90s 911 (the twin turbo with the all wheel drive...keep wanting to say 993, but I don't think that's right) is painfully fast too. These cars will hurt you and they are all 6 cylinders. You definately do NOT need 8+ cylinders to be very, veeeeeeery fast. I think the inline 6 cylinder is one of the best designs for an engine. 2JZ-GTE (late model turbo supras)...RB26DETT (Nissan Skyline)...these are engines that most V8's and V10's wish they were. The RB26DETT is nothing but a detuned race engine. I've read pretty extensivly on the background of this car and it's engine. This car was built as a car for racing in Japan. It completely dominated all....and I'm not exaggerating. It's from THIS RACE CAR that they made the road car from. The engine can run over 500hp on stock internals without breaking a sweat. These cars are more then able to keep up with any car you can think of and are capable of over 210mph...0-60 in who the hell knows.....as fast as you want. You do not need more then 6 cylinders to go extremely fast. More then that is just over kill.

All in all, the bottom line is:

Nissan makes some of the best cars out.....not to mention some of the best performance cars ever made.

V8s are over kill.

Mustangs are wastes of metal.

Domestic manufacturers are just starting to be on the same level as the
Import manufacturers.

There are exceptions, though.

If you have beef with Nissan, bring it. This company has, and continues to, make phenomenal automobiles.

V8s have their pros. A V8, V10 or V12 in the hands of a skilled builder like Ferrari, Porsche (check out the article about the Carrara GT in this month's issue of either Motor Trent, Car and Driver, or Road and Track...always get them kinda mixed up) or Lamborghini. You have to remember though....just about ANY engine can be made powerful with enough money.

You think Mustangs are good? I'll disprove anything you can say about them. However...some old mustangs are pretty cool.

The Japanese car companies (Nissan, Toyota, Mitsubishi) and German car companies (Benz, Porshe, VW, etc) have made far better cars then American car companies (Ford, Chev, GMC, etc) for a long time. However...once again...there are exceptions....there have been some nice domestics, especially in the old days. Caddies, old mustangs, GMC and FORD make good trucks, I've always kinda liked the Vettes.

If anyone cares to argue any of the above, I'm open to it. These are my beliefs and they will remain that way until something or someone changes my mind. They were formed by many hours of research, personal experience, and what mechanical knowledge I have regarding engines. I'm not the smartest person in the world or the God of cars or anything...don't get me wrong. I def don't know everything, nor do I think I do. (True knowledge is knowing how truely little you know. --Don't remember who said that. It's very true though.) I'm open to debate and I welcome the challenge.

The Nissan Skyliner may be a fast car but why dont you people look at the big picture. They dont make Ford Mustangs to race on the tracks or even Cobras. Its Steeda, Rousche, and Saleen that take these Mustangs and make them raceable. Oh cmon, you guys are bullshitting your Skyliner so much. A Saleen SR compares if not faster than a Skyliner. And I am also a big fan of Saleen, so I can use the S7 if I chose to. The Saleen S7, check out the stats, is a fast mutha(0-60: 3.3s). You might pay around 300,000-400,000 but when it comes to racing, it is on the top charts of one of the fastest cars in the world. No not individual countries, the WORLD.

I dont know what year this skyline GTR is but it is rather recent. I want you to look at 0-60. Looks like 4.7 seconds. And top speed doesnt really compare with S7.
http://www.automotivearticles.com/infiniti-nissan/gt-rspecs.htm

http://www.pistonheads.com/fastcars/images/saleen-s7-03.jpg



your made at us for comparing two completely different cars how bout comparing you saleen to a nissan r390 gt1 road car.

Nissan R390 GT1 Road - Ultimatecarpage.com

it may be less then car car lenth to 60 but its a race car not a drag car its made for a complicated road course.

I was never comparing the Saleen S7 to the Z, I compared it to the Skyline. And yes I did check out the stats of the "Nissan R390 GT1 Road", and its really damn close. The GT1 does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and the S7 in 3.3 seconds. They both have relatively the same top speed and in my opinion the S7 looks better. S7 also has cool features like the doors opening upwards. Oh shit, I said the name "S7", sorry LonglivetheZ I shouldnt have brought that car up. Dude I dont just have to bring up the Stangs, which in fact pack in more power than a Z (especially that new Mustang thats about to round the corner), stock GT will be included with more horses than a stock Z. You better hope the Z has a chance with the new Cobras and possibly Shelbys. Well I expect more criticism on my last few statements from you people, especially LonglivetheZ. For God sakes I said that Mustangs have more power than the Z, its the end of the world.

Cmon, what else you got..............I hate repeating myself
to Nissan diehards..........

dude you didnt even fucking read my whole comment if you did you would understand what i was saying... a 12 cylinder is capable of more power than a 4 cylinder right? of course so u say turbo the 4 and you can get more than a twelve.. well wut if you turboed a 12? the more displacement the more power you can get out of it IF YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE ENGINE... if the same technology is in two motors, one bigger than the other the other one will be faster...

your comparing the 911's with 6 cylinders but open ur eyes... wut is a turbo charger doing? its basically making the engine act like it has more displacement by shoving more air in the cylinders... in that case the 6 cylinder can have as much power as a larger engine...

as for the S7... yeah ur comparing a stock skyline with a stock S7.. ok where is your common sense? you could buy a skyline for 40,000 n then use the other 360,000 for upgrades and make the skyline faster than the S7... you hardly even need that much money to make a skyline go over 200 mph...

you hate repeating yourself? well you dont understand that what your repeating is really quite meaningless... ok, so the new stang puts out more power... thats good for them... hmm lets think of this... nsx-r does 1/4 mile in low 12's w/ 290hp ... 2003 dodge viper also low 12's with 500hp 500ft lbs of torque... ok so were talking about a v6 vs a v10... they are basically just as fast as the other... IN A STRAIT LINE... ford is also like this... yeah you say, who cares if a car can corner fast, well this also shows that just because it has more power doenst mean its faster... i would REALLY like to see some of the numbers the new stang puts out... please show me how much power the stang needs to be a couple tenths of a second faster than a v6 350z...

I was never comparing the Saleen S7 to the Z, I compared it to the Skyline. And yes I did check out the stats of the "Nissan R390 GT1 Road", and its really damn close. The GT1 does 0-60 in 3.8 seconds and the S7 in 3.3 seconds. They both have relatively the same top speed and in my opinion the S7 looks better. S7 also has cool features like the doors opening upwards. Oh shit, I said the name "S7", sorry LonglivetheZ I shouldnt have brought that car up. Dude I dont just have to bring up the Stangs, which in fact pack in more power than a Z (especially that new Mustang thats about to round the corner), stock GT will be included with more horses than a stock Z. You better hope the Z has a chance with the new Cobras and possibly Shelbys. Well I expect more criticism on my last few statements from you people, especially LonglivetheZ. For God sakes I said that Mustangs have more power than the Z, its the end of the world.

Cmon, what else you got..............I hate repeating myself
to Nissan diehards..........


a stock mustang v8 thats 2 more cylinders then the Z and this stang is putting only 180 to the rear wheels that sucks where as a stock Z is putting 235 to the rear wheels

Dont worry ghetto, you will soon find out in the next few months the numbers that the new Mustang will put out. Im not going to lie to you but I have heard that they are at least going to put 280hp on the GT. They are also using the Ford Thunderbird chassis which is lighter than what they are currently using. They said at first they were going to put a 390 hp supercharged engine in the GT but it could go either way.

As for the S7 you can most definitely mod it to be faster so dont get your hopes up when you say you can take a 40,000 Skyline and mod it to be better. You are just saying that because you think it can be faster when in fact you dont know what you are talking about. Yea you might come close but the S7 has a lot of extra sporty features that the skyline doesnt have and also their remarkable braking system.

Ford still makes powerful engines and I will give you evidence of that. Next year they are coming out with a crate 5.0 V8 420 horsepower engine. I believe it is not supercharged nor comes with a turbo. It is a regular V8 engine and it gives to show you that V8 engines have potential. Probably cost an arm and a leg to buy but if I had the chance to get it, I'd grab it.

Whats up with the Z I thought that it was a proformance car? I saw the specs on it and it tied with the stupid little Neon STR in the 1/4 mile and in the 0-60. It is a pretty car but where is the proformance that we come to expect form an import proformance car? Does Nissan paln to fix this because the Evos and WRXs and even the Mustangs are beating them.

Oh God....where to start....

I saw the specs on it and it tied with the stupid little Neon STR in the 1/4 mile and in the 0-60.

It's an SRT-4. Yea...it's a turbocharged and intercooled I-4. Fast little cars, man....especially for around $20,000. I couldn't believe it when I first saw it. They're at their max, though. That's as fast as it'll get. The Z...the sky's the limit. The aftermarket is growing exponentially. You obviously haven't drivin the new Z...the Z is an amazing performance car.

Evos and WRX's don't beat it by much, if any. Plus, they're turboed already. A Z with forced induction would make them cry. As far as mustangs? Ehhh...no. The only mustang that will beat the Z is the Cobra and it's more expensive, has a way larger engine, is supercharged, and doesn't handle as well.

...you will soon find out in the next few months the numbers that the new Mustang will put out.

They sure have a lot of official stats out there about them for them being in the so near future...hope you sense the deep sarcasm. All I can find are estimates and guesses. All of those estimates are for the supercharged V8, too. Here you are again comparing a stock, NA V6 to a supercharged V8.

As for the S7 you can most definitely mod it to be faster...

BULLSHIT! You're damn crazy. Find me ONE MOD for that car. I dare you. That's like saying you can mod an Indy car. You're a friggin moron. Besides...you can have an R34 Skyline in the US (having gone through all the red tape and all the bullshit the american govn't makes them go through to be street legal here) for ~$100,000 or less, spend an INSANE $100,000 on mods, blow the doors off anything on the road (including the S7), and STILL have enough money left to buy the car it's own small house and yourself dinner for a year.

dude you didnt even fucking read my whole comment if you did you would understand what i was saying... a 12 cylinder is capable of more power than a 4 cylinder right? of course so u say turbo the 4 and you can get more than a twelve.. well wut if you turboed a 12? the more displacement the more power you can get out of it IF YOU HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY IN THE ENGINE... if the same technology is in two motors, one bigger than the other the other one will be faster...

Down killer...I did read your post. I remember asking my dad when I was....like....7 or so, "does more cylinders mean more power?". One would logically think more cylinders, more power, but that's not the way it works with engines, man. If that was true, we'd have 32 cylinder cars and whatnot. It's just not practical. Why have 8, 10, 12 cylinders with forced induction and nitrous and all kinds of other shit when you can keep it simple, reduce weight, and reduce the number of moving parts? All you need is 6 at the most. The reason I brought up the Porsches is to prove the point that you don't need 8+ cylinders to go fast. Sure...you can make a TT V8 pushing 700 hp. But let's see you drive that down the road. God forbid you need to change the spark plugs. Friend of mine has a stock Camaro (new one...anniv edition conv...nice car) that he had to take to the dealership to get the SPARK PLUGS changed. You have to DROP THE ENGINE to get to the rear 2 plugs because they're under the dash board...What a pain in the ass. Imagine having to do routine maint. It'd cost an arm and a leg. Why not have my normal old I6/V6 do the same thing and be able to take it to my little, local mechanic and get it worked on? Even do it myself for that matter. This is an example: http://www.myttz.com/. That site isn't up to date, either. If you read the page, he talks about getting new turbos. Well...they're on there now. Read about it on another site, but I can't remember the address. I remembered that one, though...easy to remember. The car is now over 700 hp at the rear wheels. All from a V6. Why have 8283764827365135 moving parts, get 7mpg, and and that weighs 283658723642 lbs when I can get MORE then enough power out of 6 cylinders? I don't care for 4 cylinders much because they usually don't have much torque until the higher rpms. A 6 cylinder has the best of both worlds...fewer moving parts, better reliablity, high revs and good low end torque. You think you need lots of cylinders and huge displacement to go fast? You're living under a rock if you do. I've seen a 4000 hp 4 cylinder dragster in a magazine. It was an integra engine running 2 of the biggest turbos I've ever seen and nitro methane. It was a funny car running.....like.......7's or something.....I don't remember. I've also seen what appeard to be a regular, run of the mill, average Civic that runs 10s. Guy had the engine rebuilt. No turbo, no nitrous, all motor 10s. Redlined at 10,500 rpms. Thing was sick. That guy with the Camaro even saw it. He was telling me about how he had some dumb ass civic kick his ass and hurt his pride. I was like "DUDE!?!? Was it light blue...pretty normal looking...little slats on the front quarter panels?"....that was the car. You don't need more then 6 cylinders. You just don't. A 6 cylinder can do everything a V8+ can.

I'm tired....I've rambled enough.

Hey,yall are forgeting about the Tommy Kaira ZZII.This car has a RB26DETT,mid engine,all-wheel-drive.pushes about 500hp.Those pussy ass mustangs dont got shit on it.Hey,now's my turn to do unfair comparissons.What would a V6 mustang have on this car huh??Stupid svtcobra007x.! Mustangs suck,they have to get somebody to tune their cars cause they cant do it on their own.
I'm just a 15 y/o with a 91' stock sentra my parents gave me. It has a 1.6l engine(ga16de).yah u could laugh,but i run -0.1 second 1/4 against a v6 94 stang.. :naughty:

i kno that v6's will put out more power than you will ever need, but i was talking about drag wise, not about courses... i myself will never want a v8 mustang or a v10 dodge viper... i am happy right now with my 1994 mr2 4 cylinder 2.0L 3S-GTE engine which by the way with the right mods can put out over 700hp and run low 10's

and yes more cylinders doenst mean more power but it does help in some ways... as for the moving parts, that is why i think mazda will someday be on top of the sports cars... their rotary engines are small, have very little moving parts, and have lots of power... (rx7 is a 1.3L engine)...i kno this doesnt have much to do witht the subject but i thought it was kool... the new bugatti is a W16 and a pretty insane car that does 0-60 in under 3 but i dont even want to know what the price is :smile:

Well you would have to really mod up that Skyline LonglivetheZ. There is only so much you can do and its clearly stated that the fastest Skyline trails the S7 by a few miliseconds in 0-60. I doubt you could mod the fastest Skyline even more.......kinda like you said you cant mod the S7 even more.

Well you would have to really mod up that Skyline LonglivetheZ. There is only so much you can do and its clearly stated that the fastest Skyline trails the S7 by a few miliseconds in 0-60. I doubt you could mod the fastest Skyline even more.......kinda like you said you cant mod the S7 even more.
u forgot the skyline has a big brother named R390 Gt1!Just give it up fool! First you started out with a pussy ass stang,Then we showed you how its nothin against a NA V6,and u have to get other cars in this.. :rolleyes:

Hey,yall are forgeting about the Tommy Kaira ZZII.This car has a RB26DETT,mid engine,all-wheel-drive.pushes about 500hp.Those pussy ass mustangs dont got shit on it.Hey,now's my turn to do unfair comparissons.What would a V6 mustang have on this car huh??Stupid svtcobra007x.! Mustangs suck,they have to get somebody to tune their cars cause they cant do it on their own.
I'm just a 15 y/o with a 91' stock sentra my parents gave me. It has a 1.6l engine(ga16de).yah u could laugh,but i run -0.1 second 1/4 against a v6 94 stang.. :naughty:

You friggin rock, man. I didn't know the ZZII has the RB in it. I'm gunna dig up some info on that car...has my interest now. V6 mustangs are shit, V8 mustangs are lame, and the Cobras are almost alright. I agree with everything you said in that post. You're a good man.... :iceslolan

...i was talking about drag wise, not about courses...

Ehh....ooooooook....drag wise....what difference does it make? A 4 cylinder can be just as fast as a V8 and a V8 can be just as fast as a 4 cylinder on a track or a strip....what you said makes no sense. What do you mean that "more cylinders does mean more power in some ways"? I think you are using faulty logic that has no grounds. You seem to have this thought that "more cylinders means more power" and you don't seem to know why. I wanna know how you justify that.

As for the rotaries, I was going to bring those up, but I didn't want to ramble any more. I've read up a bit on them in the past. RX-7 stands for Rotary Experimental 7. Engines were intended for use in aircraft due to their low number of moving parts. INGENIOUS creations, they are. Who ever thought that up was either insane or a genious...maybe a little of both. They're completely explained on www.howstuffworks.com. Very cool site, too. There are only 3 moving parts in a 2 rotary engine, the crank and the 2 rotors, so one would think it would be amazingly reliable. In the beginning, they had some...ehh...."minor kinks".... :p and a lot of engine fires were the result. They are (or were, at least...the Renesis engine used in the new RX-8 has probably been improved since the early days...one would hope, anyway) extremely inefficient. They had horrid emmisions and gas milage. Can be very powerful and they are very light, so they do have potential. The RX-7 and RX-8 handle very well due to the engines and cars being so light.

The W16.....fuck that in the ass hole.....extremely expensive to build, extremely expensive to buy, extrememly expensive to own, extrememely expensive to maintain.....basically just way too damn expensive. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many moving parts. To hell with that. I can do the same damn thing with a 6 cylinder. Pretty cool cars, though.

Well you would have to really mod up that Skyline LonglivetheZ. There is only so much you can do and its clearly stated that the fastest Skyline trails the S7 by a few miliseconds in 0-60. I doubt you could mod the fastest Skyline even more.......kinda like you said you cant mod the S7 even more.

Oh God....The fastest Skyline? What is "the fastest skyline"? Is there a great big sign over it saying "this is the fastest skyline there is, ever will be, or ever was"?

You are so damned closed minded that it's funny.....you only look at 0-60 and 1/4 times. If I JUST wanted to get to 60 as fast as possible, I'm sure I could tune the car, change out some gears, and get to 60 in 1 second. But that'd be IT. I'd have a top speed of 60 miles per hour. Or...if I was going for top speed, I could tune the car, change out the gearing for top end, and have a top speed of 250 or something....I'd have to go across the US in a straight line, but (I hope) you get my point. My point is that cars can be made to do whatever you want...it is the cars that can do everything extremely well that are truely amazing. Who CARES if this car beats that car by a few fucking MILLISECONDS!?!?...even though I doubt it does. I know a Skyline can be built up to spank the shit out of anything you want. You have fun modding your $400,000 S7...ya damned idiot. Tell me what the Skyline's rear license plate says as I kick your ass on my way to my house I bought with the money I had left over from NOT buying a nearly half million dollar car.

Dont worry ghetto, you will soon find out in the next few months the numbers that the new Mustang will put out. Im not going to lie to you but I have heard that they are at least going to put 280hp on the GT. They are also using the Ford Thunderbird chassis which is lighter than what they are currently using. They said at first they were going to put a 390 hp supercharged engine in the GT but it could go either way.

As for the S7 you can most definitely mod it to be faster so dont get your hopes up when you say you can take a 40,000 Skyline and mod it to be better. You are just saying that because you think it can be faster when in fact you dont know what you are talking about. Yea you might come close but the S7 has a lot of extra sporty features that the skyline doesnt have and also their remarkable braking system.

Ford still makes powerful engines and I will give you evidence of that. Next year they are coming out with a crate 5.0 V8 420 horsepower engine. I believe it is not supercharged nor comes with a turbo. It is a regular V8 engine and it gives to show you that V8 engines have potential. Probably cost an arm and a leg to buy but if I had the chance to get it, I'd grab it.



fords problems is not there engine number kinda impressive to me its there wheel numbers most of the time the mustang gt will loss 100 hp through its drivetrain.

fords problems is not there engine number kinda impressive to me its there wheel numbers most of the time the mustang gt will loss 100 hp through its drivetrain.

Ehhh....whaaaaaaaaaat the hell? Were you drunk when you wrote that? Made noooooooooooooooo sense at all, but I think I know what you were getting at. I think you were saying the engines weren't bad, just the drivetrain sucks. I think the whole damn car sucks ass. Tell me one thing that is impressive about mustangs?

Ford still makes powerful engines and I will give you evidence of that. Next year they are coming out with a crate 5.0 V8 420 horsepower engine. I believe it is not supercharged nor comes with a turbo. It is a regular V8 engine and it gives to show you that V8 engines have potential. Probably cost an arm and a leg to buy but if I had the chance to get it, I'd grab it.

Yea yea yea....Ford has a 420 HP engine. Wheee. Chevy has a 700+ hp (I believe 720 hp) crate engine called the ZZ2 or something like that. I dunno...it's chevy...don't know chevy...just remember seeing a commercial for it. I can buy a damn RB26DETT off ebay for $7,000 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2444016283&category=33615 WOULD I buy one off ebay....maybe.....maybe not....but I could)...why would I wanna buy a POS ford engine.

yea thats just what i meant there drive train sucks.

wow, this thread turned to shit before it even started :uhoh: :nono:

where is that gay svtcobra007x?? Did he pussy out that fast?? fag... He's proly just looking for another car to replace the S7,just like he did when he found out the stangs aint shit!

well obviously i dont think i can explain very well what im trying to get at with the whole cylinders n power thing.... so im just gonna screw that thing over :)

n/e wayz, yeah the first gen wankle rotars were pretty shakey... when mazda first started using them, they were considered the least reliable JAPANESE car company, BUT still more reliable than ford.... the rotary was the size of a 4 cylinder, put out power like a 6 cylinder, n ate gas like an 8 cylinder... but they have been improving it ever since... and the only thing about about it that i can think of is reliabuility you say its good but i have heard otherwise... yes, though it may have very little moving parts... think of the friction of the rotary compared to a clyinder... clyinders are smooth and slide along the sides, but there are many moving parts, rotaries on the other hand... the edges have to rub along the side causing it to wear down faster than a usually car, but im betting that they will get this problem fixed sometime soon... hell, maybe they already did with the rx8, but i dont think there are many rx8's with over 150,000 mi on it to test it out :)

also, i dont think this guy knos how much $400,000 dollars is and what you could buy with it.... and does he mean fastest modified or fastest stock?

u forgot the skyline has a big brother named R390 Gt1!Just give it up fool! First you started out with a pussy ass stang,Then we showed you how its nothin against a NA V6,and u have to get other cars in this.. :rolleyes:


No actually dipshit I was comparing the S7 to the R390 Gt1. Better start reading the past posts before you post something that makes you look like an idiot. Look up the damn stats and stop looking at how long the title of the car is. 15 y/o huh?..........how can you make comments like these when you havent had hardly any driving experience........that last post you made definitely verified your age(sounded like you're in seventh grade).

How did you show that the stang is nothing against a Z, i dont think you contributed to the cause, at least im trying and not making smart ass comments. Depends what your comparing. Most of this is based on speed.

Stock Mustang vs Z Nissan Wins
Mustang GT vs Z Nissan wins
Svt 2003 Cobra vs Z Mustang wins
SVT 2000 Cobra R vs Z Mustang wins
Saleen S-281 vs Z Mustang Wins
Saleen 2-281-E vs Z Mustang wins
Saleen SR(Yup its a stang) vs Z Mustang Wins
Steeda Mustang(any type) vs Z Mustang wins
Rousche Mustang (ONe of the fastest ones) vs Z Mustang wins
Popularity Mustang Wins
American Muscle Mustang wins
Kick ass 2005 model Mustang wins

Not enough Z models to compare with......Mustang has more of a variety, which is a definite advantage. I don't know how much the above would change if a turbo was put on the Z. Maybe a couple if not none.

Give me credit people..........im brave enough to argue this in a Nissan forum..............if I were in a Ford forum, their arguments would be completely more positive toward the Mustang then the Z. But in this Nissan forum, I'm experiencing the complete opposite.

Oh for real?? I sound like A 7TH grader. B!tch you say your 17 and also sound like a 7th grader. It doesnt take balls to come argue in the nissan forum,it takes stupidity! Why cant you stop bringin up the "2004-05 stang"..I dont see any 2005 mustangs out there! Maybe you should just get your hating ass out of here. Your gonna loose anyway! And it's like the special olympics,even if you win,ur still retarded...

Nacho, your last post was probably the worst post in the few posts that you have ever made at automotiveforums.com. Not criticizing, but start "b!tching" about cars instead of "b!tching" about people.

"It doesnt take balls to come argue in the nissan forum,it takes stupidity!".......................How does it take stupidity? The reason i am arguing in this forum is because if you looked at the title "350Z Sucks!", it shows a very controversial issue where I can make arguments left and right.

"Why cant you stop bringin up the "2004-05 stang"..I dont see any 2005 mustangs out there!"........................No shit there's no 2005 Mustangs out there yet but relatively close. I'm bringing it up because it's going to be a big mark in their history. First of all its a celebration of 40 years of Mustang and Ford is coming out with a completely new model. Yea a new model that you might not hate as much(throwback to the late 60's, early 70's). Comes with more horses than the current standard and GT Mustang.

"Your gonna loose anyway!"..........................No i'm not going to "loose"...more evidence of age:). There is no losing in these forums unless you run out of ways to mod your car to be the toughest and the fastest out on the road than another car. There is so much you can do that it seems like no one will ever run out of ways to mod their cars.

"And it's like the special olympics,even if you win,ur still retarded..."...................LOL. You know what, I'm going to make one for you(just Nacho)...And its like posting in a forum, even if you post, you're still a dumbass

that last comment doesnt make n/e sense at all :screwy:

Wow!
This is an interesting topic. You guys sure have gone at it pretty well. SVTCobra007x and LongLivetheZ, you guys are doing a pretty good job of comparison and keeping this debate alive. Congrats, I don't think I could've argued this long. LOL

Anyway, let me throw in my .02.

First off, if you're gonna compare cars, let's do like the magazines do. Let's compare the cars based on price. Ultimately that's what it's all about in the long run anyway. Since that's how we come up with classes for the cars and to keep things sorta fair.

The cobra mustangs and above are NOT comparable to the Z in it's stock form. The non-modified Z's and non-modified mustangs are the only ones comparable because of their non-modified status.

Now if you want to compare the Z to modified mustangs you should allow the Z the oppurtunity to make up the price difference. Since you're paying more for a modified car, it's only fair to compare it to another modified car. Once you do that you will see that the comparison changes. The companies that SVTCobra mentions, make their own versions of the mustangs. Nissan doesn't have that, so technically it's not comparable. But there is the aftermarket. So with comparable parts, like say the supercharger, the Nissan will have the edge. The Ford-based companies sell their versions basically with an 'add-on' package, right? You buy the mustang, then they send it out to get the 'conversion' done and you get it back. Or something similiar. Some dealerships might keep some in stock, I'm not sure on the details. My point is whatever is included in the Ford-based 'package' and it's cost should be reflected in the Nissan. If the Cobra package costs $10K, allow the Nissan $10K in similar mods. If the Mustang receives power mods along with suspension mods or aero, then the Z deserves the same to equal everything out. You can't compare a $40,50,or 60K car to a $30K car. You just can't. If you want to mention a $400K car, then you have to compare it with another $400k car or allow the price difference in mods. Like it was said before, you can't compare apples and oranges.

I'll apologize in advance to SVTCobra. The Nissan Skyline and the 350Z will be the better car in this respect. The Skyline, when first introduced, actually caused the demise of a whole championship series in Japan because the other car manufacturers couldn't compete. The deemed the car 'unbeatable.' The 350Z's power potential is still untapped because of the relative newness of the engine. The 350Z like its predecessors will prove its worth.

As far as the new Mustang that's on the horizon. I certainly hope the best for Ford. My experience with them (Ford) is quite lackluster. I also have known some people that have returned their SVT Cobras because of their lack of power. The rating that the manufacturer gives for their vehicles is at the flywheel. Unfortunately, what registers at the wheels is usually quite different. The Nissan 350Z states 287HP. Put it on a dyno though, you'll be looking at anywhere from 230-255hp at the wheels. It differs from car to car, of course. Unfortunately for Ford, their cars do much worse. I've seen losses of upto and including a 100hp loss from stated flywheel specs to the wheels. Either that transmission is extremely ineffecient and the driveshaft extremely heavy or the engine's not producing said spec. Bang for the buck is only reserved for the Mustang when comparing it to other domestics.

Just because others prefer imports to domestics doesn't mean that they're better. The Mustangs sell a number that I guarntee you that Nissan wishes it could meet with the Z. But the Z is a 'better bang for the buck',right? True, but society still holds the notion that American made is better. So, I say it's true. Why do I say that? Because it gives Americans jobs. But you also have to remember that most Nissans, Toyotas, and Hondas are made and sold right here in America as well. Japanese manufacturers have car assembly plants right here in the U.S. They employ American union workers, while some domestic car manufacturers have exported their jobs to places like Mexico and other Central American countries. While I don't mind that too much since I myself, am Hispanic and originate from one of those Central American countries, it kinda puts a damper on your arguement that American made is better.

LongLivetheZ does have a point. I know it's kinda hard to see through all the obscenities and put downs but it's there. You can't just look at one particular category when you compare cars. Sure 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times are important, but they are only a fraction of the overall picture. That's like saying you'll buy an old rusted out and non-running car just because the seats are soft. You're missing everything else just because you're so focused on what's important to you. If you'd read an article on car comparison, you'd notice that when they compare cars they look at many aspects of all the cars. 0-60, 1/4 mile, skidpad, slalom, 60-0, and so on. So you kinda have to look past some of those numbers for the 'whole package.'

Most ppl don't buy a car based on 2 categories of it's performance. Would you buy a car that had great 0-60 and 1/4 mile times if it was shaped like a giant ass and handled like a wheelbarrow? I know it's an extreme analogy but it gets the point across.

Ok, I think I'm done with my novel now. :grinyes:

damn Rizz. Get ur ass back over to Zdriver.com, your scaring these poor ppl. haha

Just trying to spread some knowledge.

Haha, well you certainly did. haha

that last comment doesnt make n/e sense at all :screwy:

Absolutely correct because why would my last post make sense when the post I was criticizing didn't make sense. See what I mean. Its hard to make sense out of a comment that never made sense to begin with. Keeps you thinking..............


Thanx for adding your 2 cents rizz. At least you didn't say anything overly negative about either the Mustang or the Z. But I want to mention that I just don't look at speed(though I like to argue about it here), but I look at how the car looks, how the car sounds, and how cool I would look to other people watching me cruise around the streets. If there was a car that looked extremely shitty to me but it was the fastest on the planet, I wouldn't buy it because of speed. If I had to choose between a shitty-lookin fast car and an eye candy average-speed car, I would choose the sporty lookin average-speed car. As long as it has decent acceleration, I would buy it.

So which of those two categories do you consider the Mustang and Z to be in? The Z is definitely a looker. Always has been always will be. The Mustang on the other had,imo, is quite dated. Still reminds me more of the older boxy versions then something modern. I guess that's why Ford finally decided to revamp it. Although, it's a bit too 'retro' for me. The conservative, non-imaginative direction that Ford went with doesn't surprise me though. The domestic car companies aren't really known for their risk taking or extravagant designs.

I wish LonglivetheZ would finally delete the quote I apparently made in his sig. So I worded it wrong, who the hell cares anyway. No one is laughing Longlive........

I think the Z and the Mustang fit into the category of a sporty lookin average-speed car. They are probably a little more than average though, depending on how you mod them.

Wow!
This is an interesting topic. You guys sure have gone at it pretty well. SVTCobra007x and LongLivetheZ, you guys are doing a pretty good job of comparison and keeping this debate alive. Congrats, I don't think I could've argued this long. LOL

Sweet...thank you. Glad you enjoy it. This is a debate that has been going on for years and will go on for many more.


First off, if you're gonna compare cars, let's do like the magazines do. Let's compare the cars based on price. Ultimately that's what it's all about in the long run anyway. Since that's how we come up with classes for the cars and to keep things sorta fair.

The cobra mustangs and above are NOT comparable to the Z in it's stock form. The non-modified Z's and non-modified mustangs are the only ones comparable because of their non-modified status.

Thank you, sir. That's what I've been saying this whole time...maybe he'll listen to you (svtcobra007x).

LongLivetheZ does have a point. I know it's kinda hard to see through all the obscenities and put downs but it's there.

Ehh...I try very hard to refrain from just cussing and bitching and moaning and putting people down. I do not resort to this way of arguing until it has been brought apon me. I don't really like fire fights such as these.

Stock Mustang vs Z Nissan Wins
Mustang GT vs Z Nissan wins
Ok...that's fair...look at the result.
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"Svt 2003 Cobra vs Z Mustang wins" <--Give me mods
"SVT 2000 Cobra R vs Z Mustang wins" <--not even the same TYPE of car.
"Saleen S-281 vs Z Mustang Wins"
"Saleen 2-281-E vs Z Mustang wins"
"Saleen SR(Yup its a stang) vs Z Mustang Wins"
"Steeda Mustang(any type) vs Z Mustang wins"
"Rousche Mustang (ONe of the fastest ones) vs Z Mustang wins"
Ok....the last 5 are just obsurd. They cost waaaaaaaay more and they waved bye bye to stock a looooong time ago.
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"Popularity Mustang Wins" <--So? I like being diff...plus...we ARE in America...go to Japan...bet the Nissans are more popular over there.
American Muscle Mustang wins <--Eh...maybe off the line but that's IT. Also...what car are we talking about here? Aweful vague.
Kick ass 2005 model Mustang wins <--Sweet...can I ride in your time machine? See...I don't have one, so I don't know how the car that's nearly a year off is going to perform.

Not enough Z models to compare with......Mustang has more of a variety, which is a definite advantage.

Umm...why is that an advantage?

I don't know how much the above would change if a turbo was put on the Z. Maybe a couple if not none.

Riiiiight. Add forced induction to the Z and you're in the 11's. Still not a fair comarison with that list. I should still get a whole bunch more stuff just like the mustangs did.

Give me credit people..........im brave enough to argue this in a Nissan forum..............if I were in a Ford forum, their arguments would be completely more positive toward the Mustang then the Z.

There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity. Bring the Ford guys...come on...I'll take em on...they're trying to defend an inferior car...won't cause me a problem.

But I want to mention that I just don't look at speed

No...you look at lots of stuff...0-60 and 1/4 mile....

but I look at how the car looks

You shouldn't...that's too subjective for use as a catagory. I think the mustang looks like butt.

how the car sounds

Who cares, as long as it doesn't sound like a mosquito? That's also too subjective. Some people like the mosquito sound. The Z sounds like an F1 car...sounds bad ass.

how cool I would look to other people watching me cruise around the streets

HA...wow...I see a guy in a mustang and I think "hey...it's another mustang ass hole". Just about EVERY person I've EVER known that had a mustang was a dick head.

Hope I wasn't too offensive for everyone........

I wish LonglivetheZ would finally delete the quote I apparently made in his sig. So I worded it wrong, who the hell cares anyway. No one is laughing Longlive........

I think the Z and the Mustang fit into the category of a sporty lookin average-speed car. They are probably a little more than average though, depending on how you mod them.


I hope he doesnt remove it. i like it. i find humor everytime i read. i care a great deal about turning. i have a small interest in drag racing. i mush rather speed $10,000 in stopping and turning then just making it faster. i've never drifted cant wait to try but for now i love to watch it.

i care a great deal about turning. i have a small interest in drag racing. i mush rather speed $10,000 in stopping and turning then just making it faster.

I agree wholeheartedly. What good is going fast if you can't stop? I'd like to be able to stop and be able to control my car in a dangerous situation. It's all good to be able to go fast quickly but pretty dumb not to be able to control and harness that speed. Brakes are so overlooked, it's not even funny. Yet next to the motor, they are the most important system in the car. Speed kills, brakes save.

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/pics/mustang.jpg



What a crock of shit this is.

"I think the Z and the Mustang fit into the category of a sporty lookin average-speed car. They are probably a little more than average though, depending on how you mod them."

Yea I said that but no, thats not good enough. LonglivetheZ comes in with his hard headed and arrogant attitude and praises whatever a Nissan fan says. But then there's me. The Mustang man who has come into the Nissan forum and has said some bad things about the Z. Have you people checked the title? It clearly states "350Z Sucks". I think I can say anything about that damn car in here but for god sakes you people are so hard wired for this car. I can't say a damn negative thing about the Z without you guys on my case but its ok for LonglivetheZ to talk shit about the Mustang. Crock of shit..........


"Riiiiight. Add forced induction to the Z and you're in the 11's. Still not a fair comarison with that list. I should still get a whole bunch more stuff just like the mustangs did."...............Yea its so simple to get into the 11's. LonglivetheZ says " Just add forced induction". Well that's bullshit. If that's the case why didn't Japan add the damn thing in the first place instead of making it "a dog for the money".


"You shouldn't...that's too subjective for use as a catagory. I think the mustang looks like butt.".......................Look at my post from the first picture to the last picture. Do those cars look like butt or is your eye sight messed up? Doesnt look like a box to me, it looks like a true "badass" car. But oh, I forgot to mention the Z. What a feminine car that is...........they say the convertible looks even worse. No wonder why they call it the Fairlady in Japan. Maybe if the back didn't look like a hatchback I would indeed like it.


"Who cares, as long as it doesn't sound like a mosquito? That's also too subjective. Some people like the mosquito sound. The Z sounds like an F1 car...sounds bad ass.".................I hate "rice burners". They jazz up their Honda and put a fuckin trumpet on the back of their exhaust, its a damn mosquito(hey we agree on something). I've heard the Z, no excitement to it whatsoever at least to me, it has decent sound. Mustang sound has gone back a long way and it never changes. It adds life to the car and makes it more blood-pumping. Acutally does sound like a Cobra growling.

"hey...it's another mustang ass hole"............Yea Longlive....a lot of people ride around in them so I guess a lot of Americans are considered assholes to you...........you have a lot of enemys...........



http://www.dailysouthtown.com/pics/mustang.jpg

I hope he doesnt remove it. i like it. i find humor everytime i read. i care a great deal about turning. i have a small interest in drag racing. i mush rather speed $10,000 in stopping and turning then just making it faster. i've never drifted cant wait to try but for now i love to watch it.
Thats smart thinking right there...

Yea I said that but no, thats not good enough. LonglivetheZ comes in with his hard headed and arrogant attitude and praises whatever a Nissan fan says. But then there's me. The Mustang man who has come into the Nissan forum and has said some bad things about the Z. Have you people checked the title? It clearly states "350Z Sucks". I think I can say anything about that damn car in here but for god sakes you people are so hard wired for this car. I can't say a damn negative thing about the Z without you guys on my case but its ok for LonglivetheZ to talk shit about the Mustang. Crock of shit..........

I could see why you're upset, but you need to calm down. We may be 'hard wired' for this car but for good reason. It is clearly superior to your Mustang. Unfortunately, you don't see that. That's ok though. Hopefully you'll come around some day. :biggrin:

Riiiiight. Add forced induction to the Z and you're in the 11's. Still not a fair comarison with that list. I should still get a whole bunch more stuff just like the mustangs did."...............Yea its so simple to get into the 11's. LonglivetheZ says " Just add forced induction". Well that's bullshit. If that's the case why didn't Japan add the damn thing in the first place instead of making it "a dog for the money".

I agree, it's not that simple to get into the 11's. But then again, forced induction does help quite a bit in getting there. Some versions of the Mustang have forced induction don't they? As for Nissan not supplying the Z with forced induction from the factory, is simple, Money. The same reason the stock Mustang doesn't include it from the factory. It costs money to buy, install, and warranty. The older Z32's were available with forced induction (Twin Turbos). Because of those though, the price of the Z32 was much more than what the 350Z sells for today. I still have the window sticker for my '93 2+2. It says over $44K. That's w/o turbos!! So where is the justification for your "a dog for the money" statement?

You shouldn't...that's too subjective for use as a catagory. I think the mustang looks like butt.".......................Look at my post from the first picture to the last picture. Do those cars look like butt or is your eye sight messed up? Doesnt look like a box to me, it looks like a true "badass" car. But oh, I forgot to mention the Z. What a feminine car that is...........they say the convertible looks even worse. No wonder why they call it the Fairlady in Japan. Maybe if the back didn't look like a hatchback I would indeed like it.

The design of the vehicles is subjective. Therefore, shouldn't even really be discussed. Mainly because it mostly based on opinion and opinions are neither right or wrong. Sorry again, It still reminds me of a box. :lol2: As for your 'feminine' comment, the reason that the car is called Fairlady in Japan and not here is because of just that. Americans would think that the name was too feminine and wouldn't sell well. Since most male Americans think that everything has to be macho, large and uber-masculine. Even it was named Fairlady, the name wouldn't change the specs or performance. I will agree on one thing though....I also don't like the back of the 350Z. But it's bearable enough. :uhoh: :biggrin:

Who cares, as long as it doesn't sound like a mosquito? That's also too subjective. Some people like the mosquito sound. The Z sounds like an F1 car...sounds bad ass.".................I hate "rice burners". They jazz up their Honda and put a fuckin trumpet on the back of their exhaust, its a damn mosquito(hey we agree on something). I've heard the Z, no excitement to it whatsoever at least to me, it has decent sound. Mustang sound has gone back a long way and it never changes. It adds life to the car and makes it more blood-pumping. Acutally does sound like a Cobra growling.

Again, something subjective. And your Honda comment although funny :rofl:, doesn't apply since we're talking about Nissans. :biggrin: You don't like the Nissan Z's sound? I agree it needs to be slightly louder. Have you ever heard it on the inside though? http://www1.350z.com.au/therun.asp
Take a look at this. It's a small portion of 'The Run' movie. Nissan runs a new 350Z through the streets of Prague. Good stuff. V8 exhaust sounds are quite unique. I wouldn't compare them to a smaller engine. Completely different. The V8's,imo, tend to be over-powering and sometimes quite intrusive. But hey, to some ppl that's what it's all about. :smokin: I can respect that.
Dumb question time, have you ever heard a cobra growl? Hiss maybe, but growl? :cwm27: :shakehead Just ribbin' ya.

"hey...it's another mustang ass hole"............Yea Longlive....a lot of people ride around in them so I guess a lot of Americans are considered assholes to you...........you have a lot of enemys............


Don't worry, :smile: I don't think your an a-hole. Extremely opinionated maybe, :grinyes: but not an a-hole.

Yea I said that but no, thats not good enough. LonglivetheZ comes in with his hard headed and arrogant attitude and praises whatever a Nissan fan says.

Blah blah blah....I go against some of the things you say because they're wrong, moron. You think I just say stuff just to say stuff? Just to piss you off? Just to be an asshole? No...I say it because you are wrong.

But then there's me. The Mustang man who has come into the Nissan forum and has said some bad things about the Z.

It'd be all fine and dandy if what you were saying was true.

Yea its so simple to get into the 11's. LonglivetheZ says " Just add forced induction". Well that's bullshit. If that's the case why didn't Japan add the damn thing in the first place instead of making it "a dog for the money".

It is a very potent engine. Adding forced induction only makes this more true. They don't offer it from the factory because it would be too expensive, just like the older Z32TT was. That's partially what caused the demise of the Z's in the first place. It's my prediction that there will be TT available sooner or later.


Look at my post from the first picture to the last picture. Do those cars look like butt or is your eye sight messed up? Doesnt look like a box to me, it looks like a true "badass" car. But oh, I forgot to mention the Z. What a feminine car that is...........they say the convertible looks even worse. No wonder why they call it the Fairlady in Japan. Maybe if the back didn't look like a hatchback I would indeed like it.

Looks are too subjective. Period. Mustangs are boxy, sharp edged, ugly, plain looking cars...no matter what you do to them. You can make them look a little better with body kits and lowering and whatnot, but they still don't look "good". Plus, when you buy one of those "true badass cars" (whatever), you still have to live with the fact that you bought a $40,000+ MUSTANG. Feminine?...you're very strange. You're an idiot...they call it the fairlady because the head of Nissan way back in the day saw a play. He liked the play so much that he named the car after either the lead character or the name of the play, The Fairlady. Another idiotic statement.


I hate "rice burners". They jazz up their Honda and put a fuckin trumpet on the back of their exhaust, its a damn mosquito(hey we agree on something). I've heard the Z, no excitement to it whatsoever at least to me, it has decent sound. Mustang sound has gone back a long way and it never changes. It adds life to the car and makes it more blood-pumping. Acutally does sound like a Cobra growling.

Yea...Loud annoying ass v8s...pisses me off...way too intrusive. Annoying as hell. HAAAAAAA......Cobra growling.........HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAH.

Yea Longlive....a lot of people ride around in them so I guess a lot of Americans are considered assholes to you...........you have a lot of enemys...........

Just talking from past experiences.

Power is nothing without control, rizzspeed. And, mikegee, quote ain't goin anywhere. I told him that, to get it out, he'll have to bow down to the Z.

... Woah. Anyone else completely blown away by how long these replies are? :eek2: ... Im feeling quite meek right now, haha. peace

hey that cobra kid is funny...
If you want to give us harder competition,why dont you give us a SVT Focus?? I mean,its faster than a Mustang GT :rofl:

hey that cobra kid is funny...
If you want to give us harder competition,why dont you give us a SVT Focus?? I mean,its faster than a Mustang GT :rofl:


in my car ill never see the tail lights of a mustang gt. no i wont beat it but i will be right along side of it fot the entire 1/4 mile.

in my car ill never see the tail lights of a mustang gt. no i wont beat it but i will be right along side of it fot the entire 1/4 mile.


you have an svt focus?

you have an svt focus?


nope just a simple pontiac grand am. sorry i wasnt more clear the first time.

oh gotcha....he was mentioning the SVT focci and i just assumed

yah,I'm trying to say the 4-bangger focuz is faster than that mean powerful V8 mustang...
Let's see svtcobra007x's excuse for this one...