artificial inteligence

Jay! · #1 05-15-2003, 10:16 PM

This has been a long-time theme in science-fiction, but it's creeping ever-closer to science fact... (Plus I've been thinking about the Matrix all day... :o)

Do you think mankind will 'give birth' to true artificial inteligence? Do you think they'll become self-aware?

If so, how will it be treated? As slave labor, or as 'equal' sentient beings.

Does an entity with artificial inteligence deserve 'human(!)' rights?
Does any entity with sentience deserve 'human/animal/???' rights?

Paonessa · #2 05-16-2003, 01:02 AM

I'd say equal rights. didn't you feel bad at the end of Terminator 2 when he got dipped in the molten metal? Remember,"I know now why humans cry, but it is something i can never do."

poor arnold

you could ask the same question about clones.

YogsVR4 · #3 05-16-2003, 10:32 AM

A true form of AI is nowhere on the horizon. I doubt it ever will be.

Venger10 · #4 05-16-2003, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by YogsVR4
A true form of AI is nowhere on the horizon. I doubt it ever will be.

Why do you say that.....

I'm thinking if such a thing DOES happen , it will prolly be an accident.

The biggest thing that seperates us from animals and machines is our decision making abilities.... Which means I think we are closer to producing an AI than anyone wants to think about

thrasher · #5 05-17-2003, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by jay@af
This has been a long-time theme in science-fiction, but it's creeping ever-closer to science fact... (Plus I've been thinking about the Matrix all day... :o)

Do you think mankind will 'give birth' to true artificial inteligence? Do you think they'll become self-aware?

If so, how will it be treated? As slave labor, or as 'equal' sentient beings.

Does an entity with artificial inteligence deserve 'human(!)' rights?
Does any entity with sentience deserve 'human/animal/???' rights?

the very sliver of life, the "something" that makes us just work as biological beings, cannot be duplicated by us, imo...not in the way that we exist anyways. i do not believe that machines can fulfill all 7 characteristics of living organisms

Damien · #6 05-18-2003, 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by Venger10

Why do you say that.....

I'm thinking if such a thing DOES happen , it will prolly be an accident.

The biggest thing that seperates us from animals and machines is our decision making abilities.... Which means I think we are closer to producing an AI than anyone wants to think about

I gotta agree the most here. I do believe we have such and ability and it'll probably be an accident, all great things are. Well, great may not be the way to put it, but it is the way of humans. You think the Chinese set out to invent gunpowder. They probably accidently lit some chemical mixing, it exploded, they like, and contiued it.

My 2 cents

YogsVR4 · #7 05-19-2003, 07:50 PM

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Originally posted by Venger10

Why do you say that.....

I'm thinking if such a thing DOES happen , it will prolly be an accident.

The biggest thing that seperates us from animals and machines is our decision making abilities.... Which means I think we are closer to producing an AI than anyone wants to think about

Your question applies the other way around too. What makes you think we are close? I hope you aren't basing this on faster processors or more memory on a computer. Its just a fast adding machine. No decision making in the slightest. The closest it is to alive is a virus that can move like hell, but its hardly even close to self aware.

jinushaun · #8 05-21-2003, 04:54 PM

I'm from the camp that thinks true AI (human-like AI) will never be possible. It will always be mimicing human behavior, but never iniating it on its own.

Do I think one day robots may come to kill us all? Yeah. But that's the fault of the humans more than an emergence of AI. Why program homicidal tendencies, violent emotions, or other human flaws into a robot?

Venger10 · #9 05-21-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by jinushaun
I'm from the camp that thinks true AI (human-like AI) will never be possible. It will always be mimicing human behavior, but never iniating it on its own.

Do I think one day robots may come to kill us all? Yeah. But that's the fault of the humans more than an emergence of AI. Why program homicidal tendencies, violent emotions, or other human flaws into a robot?

Because we don't have any competition.....:alien2:

Jay! · #10 05-21-2003, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by YogsVR4
A true form of AI is nowhere on the horizon. I doubt it ever will be.

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Originally posted by jinushaun
I'm from the camp that thinks true AI (human-like AI) will never be possible. It will always be mimicing human behavior, but never iniating it on its own.

How can you figure 'never?' We don't really understand 'natural intelligence' yet, so who's to say that a bunch of binary switches can't manage what a big wad of neurons can?

And I don't know if 'mankind' would be the ones to 'create' it... I'm curious as to what will happen when computers start programming other computers, even if they're just trying to use new routines at random. Theoretically, that would accelerate development, increasing the chances of 'hitting' on something new...

(I hope that doesn't sound stupid! :o)

Venger10 · #11 05-21-2003, 11:14 PM

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Originally posted by jay@af
How can you figure 'never?' We don't really understand 'natural intelligence' yet, so who's to say that a bunch of binary switches can't manage what a big wad of neurons can?

And I don't know if 'mankind' would be the ones to 'create' it... I'm curious as to what will happen when computers start programming other computers, even if they're just trying to use new routines at random. Theoretically, that would accelerate development, increasing the chances of 'hitting' on something new...

(I hope that doesn't sound stupid! :o)

Sounds about right , actually....

I think reproduction is a bit more involved than just programming , though

Would computers/cyborgs being built in factories built by themselves for themselves to be built in count as a form of reproduction???

jinushaun · #12 05-22-2003, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by jay@af
How can you figure 'never?' We don't really understand 'natural intelligence' yet, so who's to say that a bunch of binary switches can't manage what a big wad of neurons can?

Well there are two schools of thought regarding AI. There are those who want to simulate neurons, and there are those that want to simulate human behavior. I think the first method has a better chance than the second method in developing AI. The thing about nature and physics, is that it's all about equilibrium. Simulating the bajillion equilibria in our brain will be the best chance.

BigJustinZ28 · #13 05-22-2003, 03:28 PM

I think one day we will "stumble" upon artificial intelligence. I do not think however it will ever overpower us I.E. "The Matrix" If we can turn it on , we can turn it off.

Venger10 · #14 05-22-2003, 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by BigJustinZ28
I think one day we will "stumble" upon artificial intelligence. I do not think however it will ever overpower us I.E. "The Matrix" If we can turn it on , we can turn it off.

Thats the big problem...would it "LET" itself be turned off?? I could ask you the same question....would you voluntarily just LET someone pull the plug on YOU...basically kill you??
PRETTY SURE THE ANSWER IS NO..and thats where the self-awareness and self preservation factor comes in...THATs what seperates us from the machines.

speediva · #15 05-23-2003, 01:48 AM

I don't think in my life time, or in MANY MANY MANY lifetimes after my own that a self-aware AI will come into being. We can't understand ourselves most of the time, so how would we ever be able to get another *thing* to understand us as well as its own self independantly. Pretty rough.

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