State of The Union 2010

[fredjacksonsan]

...is still going on.

I must say that I call BS on the fact that for the first 25 minutes, more than 11 of them were the Washington toadies applauding.

But I do like how the Prez called BS on a lot of the stuff in government.

He's winding down now and getting into the vague stuff.

Let's hope that the good stuff he just said comes to pass, and the bad stuff doesn't.

[old_master]

The good stuff??? Is he resigning?

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by old_master

The good stuff??? Is he resigning?

3 years to go.

Actually, there were a few good things he said, one, specifically about Congressmen working on the next election rather than the next generation; basically against the self serving nature of the DC politicians.

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

3 years to go.

Actually, there were a few good things he said, one, specifically about Congressmen working on the next election rather than the next generation; basically against the self serving nature of the DC politicians.

Too bad none of them believe any of it.

[old_master]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

3 years to go.

Actually, there were a few good things he said, one, specifically about Congressmen working on the next election rather than the next generation; basically against the self serving nature of the DC politicians.

If the Congressmen paid attention to what the people WANT, and acted accordingly, they wouldn't have to worry about the next election!


I liked the part when he said we need to start drilling and get clean nuclear power, then a few seconds later he talked about cap and tax, I mean trade, which says absolutely NO coal, NO drilling, and NO nuclear. Make up your mind ya wing nut! Another high point was when said he was going to put JOBS as his top priority this year. WTF??? That should have been top priority in 2009 like he said it was going to be, but NOOOO instead it was wasted on a health care bill that nobody wants. What a waste of OUR MONEY for a year on those idgits conjering up that crap. Health care is a priviledge, not a right! They need to spend their time doing the things they're supposed to do, like protecting us from terrorists, listening to us, and taking the Constitution seriously rather than trying get around it. Another good spot was when he slammed the Supreme Court. WTF does that have to do with the State of the Union? What a "Post Turtle".

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by old_master

If the Congressmen paid attention to what the people WANT, and acted accordingly, they wouldn't have to worry about the next election!


I liked the part when he said we need to start drilling and get clean nuclear power, then a few seconds later he talked about cap and tax, I mean trade, which says absolutely NO coal, NO drilling, and NO nuclear. Make up your mind ya wing nut! Another high point was when said he was going to put JOBS as his top priority this year. WTF??? That should have been top priority in 2009 like he said it was going to be, but NOOOO instead it was wasted on a health care bill that nobody wants. What a waste of OUR MONEY for a year on those idgits conjering up that crap. Health care is a priviledge, not a right! They need to spend their time doing the things they're supposed to do, like protecting us from terrorists, listening to us, and taking the Constitution seriously rather than trying get around it. Another good spot was when he slammed the Supreme Court. WTF does that have to do with the State of the Union? What a "Post Turtle".

Okay, I really do not want to argue here, but I would like to clarify some of these issues.

1. Cap and trade does allow coal, oil, drilling etc. When it works properly, it assigns a realistic value to the relevant environmental impact.

2. I do not think that nuclear power is included in "cap and trade". If there is a source that says otherwise, let me know.

3. Health care IS a right, not a privelege. IMO it says so in the Declaration of Independence....... Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. IMO you cannot have any of these inalienable rights if you are sick or die prematurely because you cannot get good health care.

Now, I do not necessarily mean free health care. If people can afford to, they should pay a reasonable amount for it. But EVERYONE deserves coverage, without question and without reservation, as per the Declaration.

4. Nobody wants the health care bill? I keep hearing that 57 million Americans have either no coverage at all, or insubstantial coverage. Surely they want a health care bill.

5. Last time I looked, the Supreme Court was part of the Union, so it's fair game in this address

Imo the real problem in DC (besides wasting taxpayer money)..... all the partisan politics, where elected officials operate to support their party and their friends and colleagues, instead of actually cooperating, working with each other and pass sensible, balanced legislation.

[ExoticSpotting]

[quote=MagicRat;6101579]3. Health care IS a right, not a privelege. IMO it says so in the Declaration of Independence....... Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. IMO you cannot have any of these inalienable rights if you are sick or die prematurely because you cannot get good health care. [.quote]

If the Founding Fathers considered health care a 'right', then why didn't they mention it specifically?

They were pretty clear about the right to freedom of expression and the right to keep and bare arms, but they didn't mention anything about medicine.

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by ExoticSpotting

If the Founding Fathers considered health care a 'right', then why didn't they mention it specifically?

Because they could only write into their documents things that existed. You don't see the current Congress writing the laws for the teleporter booths in this current age, do you? Same reason.

Although to be fair, MagicRat's statement could be argued either way. Life, Liberty and Pursuit of happiness doesn't include "health, care for the sick", etc, and by Rat's own statement,

Originally Posted by MagicRat

IMO it says so in the Declaration of Independence....... Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. IMO you cannot have any of these inalienable rights if you are sick or die prematurely because you cannot get good health care.

The "IMO" would indicate that it is subject to interpretation. I agree with MagicRat in principle, but have worked enough with attorneys to know how they'll try to cut up the language.

[old_master]

Originally Posted by MagicRat

1. Cap and trade does allow coal, oil, drilling etc. When it works properly, it assigns a realistic value to the relevant environmental impact. If you own or are thinking of buying or selling a home at some point in your lifetime, you better hope cap and tax doesn't go through, wow, talk about taking away our liberties... read the bill, it's scary as hell.

2. I do not think that nuclear power is included in "cap and trade". If there is a source that says otherwise, let me know. You can look it up online and read the bill.

3. Health care IS a right, not a privelege. IMO it says so in the Declaration of Independence....... Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. IMO you cannot have any of these inalienable rights if you are sick or die prematurely because you cannot get good health care. Exactly, I agree! We have the best health care in the world, (for now). That's why millions of people come here annually for health care, from countries with government provided health care. France, Canada, UK, etc. They come here and pay for it, that's their privelege if they have the funds, just as it is ours. Retireing with a comfortable lifestyle would make all Americans happy, but that kind of "happiness" is not addressed in the Declaration of Independence either, it's not a right, it's a privelege, that you earn.

Now, I do not necessarily mean free health care. Free??? If ObamaCare goes through it most certainly will not be free. The CBO has already estimated it will cost the average family over $625 per month! Considerably more than the average American pays now for un-rationed health care! If people can afford to, they should pay a reasonable amount for it. I agree with you, but, $625 a month is not a "reasonable amount". If they can't afford it, they shouldn't get it for free. But EVERYONE deserves coverage, without question and without reservation, as per the Declaration. Haven't yet seen a hospital turn anyone away.

4. Nobody wants the health care bill? According to the news, 61% don't want it, that would be a majority. I keep hearing that 57 million Americans have either no coverage at all, or insubstantial coverage. Surely they want a health care bill. Of course they do, they're the ones looking for a hand-out, they think they're entitled to it. They drank the kool-aid without paying attention before the election. If they have the funds, go buy insurance, or, here's a novel idea, pay for their own health care, like everybody else. 57 million calculates to approximately 19% of our population. Why take over the best health care in the world for such a small minority? That's not the point, the point is, Government has no business interfering with the private sector, much less take it over. If I remember right, that's in the Constitution!


5. Last time I looked, the Supreme Court was part of the Union, so it's fair game in this address Yes, you're right, I agree. But really, the Supreme Court?? He's only the president, and aparently it's debateable if he's legitimate. Funny how he can't/won't produce college papers, or nobody can find them.

Imo the real problem in DC (besides wasting taxpayer money)..... all the partisan politics, where elected officials operate to support their party and their friends and colleagues, instead of actually cooperating, working with each other and pass sensible, balanced legislation. Yeah, it's really too bad that the liberals think their ideas are the only ideas.

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