Lets put our heads together for this one...

[mini magic]

Can anyone narrow these down anymore?

[Le Man]

Was this pic, from the GTR launch party?

[mini magic]

Yessir

[Le Man]

GTR party was around mid January 95.

So all chassis up to 029, plus possible no,s 031,033,038

Hope this helps.

[mini magic]

Thanks. I didn't have the date offhand

[Le Man]

Which one of those is Ray Bellm,s road F1?

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by mini magic

Can anyone narrow these down anymore?

I'll go with Clinic Model or #014, #003, #007, #028, #025, #011, #017 and #016.

Yes Regis, that's my final answer.

Actually, from my answer the #003 car could be XP5, the #025 car could be #022 and would make sense since certainly Thomas Bscher would have been in attendance, and then the #016 car would be #025. England is a lot closer than Germany or Japan, so #016 not being there does make more sense.

The real shame is that there aren't a bunch of these photos.

>8^)
ER

[hurstg01]

#014, #003, #024 (Bellm's?....), #021, #022 (Bschers....), #015, #017 and finally #018

Bschers and Bellm's should be there as they were amongst the owners who wanted Mclaren to make the GTR's

[Peloton25]

#024's original owner was Paul Burdell.

I'm not aware that Bellm owned an F1 road car. Anyone else have detail on that?

Also, it appears there could be one more F1 on the far end, just past the yellow one. Maybe another candidate for XP5 or #003?

By the way - how great is it that there is not one single Silver F1 in that shot, and we still can't be 100% certain of exactly which F1s those are.

>8^)
ER

[hurstg01]

I thought it was [fairly] common knowledge that Bellm was one of the F1 roadcar owners that wanted Mclaren to make the F1 into a race car?

[cabrio92]

Guys, you make the forum on fire these days !

Bravo, this shot is incredible and 15 years ago too imagine that day.

Phil

[hurstg01]

From the Le Mans edition of DA

[DocGTR]

Originally Posted by hurstg01

I thought it was [fairly] common knowledge that Bellm was one of the F1 roadcar owners that wanted Mclaren to make the F1 into a race car?

I don't know about Bellm owning a road car but as Bscher wanted to buy the racer Ron Dennis persuaded him to buy also the road car which he did a bit reluctantly, as you can read from this German article I have had in the folder for 022.



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[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by hurstg01

I thought it was [fairly] common knowledge that Bellm was one of the F1 roadcar owners that wanted Mclaren to make the F1 into a race car?

I have never heard mention of any road car chassis numbers that relate to Ray Bellm. That being said, Nye does make this comment in DA - page 192:

"There was still no racing intent at Woking, until pharmaceuticals magnate Ray Bellm - multiple Group C2 World Endurance Champion Driver with Spice cars - and enthusiastic German banker Thomas Bscher both ordered McLaren F1s and began pressing McLaren Cars for a racing version."

Maybe Bellm never took delivery of a road car? Instead, perhaps his car was due to be chassis #026 which became his GTR #02R? Just speculation here.

>8^)
ER

EDIT: LOL - beaten to the details with a photo.

[Le Man]

I may be helping or hindering here!!

What I should have stated above, was all 94 year build chassis #, not up to 029.

You can discount 028, it was not finished then.

So the red car is 021 Blood red solid, Looks similar shade to GTR 10R

I was informed, by a very reliable source that Ray Bellms road car was dark in colour, that narrows it down a bit

Do we know who owned M1 MAC?