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10-29-2009, 02:47 PM
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Old goats go faster!
Rick Holladay, my friend and customer, and an "old goat" member of the "Little Guy Hall of Fame", has taken his '65 GTO ragtop to a new ET. In a "Gear Jammer" (manual trans racing series) race last weekend, Rick took his 3,650 lb. monster 6.78 @ 100 (1/8 mile). 440 CID, 93 octane, no adders, 4-speed (Jerico) and 9" tires... That's around 10.65 in a real (1/4 mile) race!
He'll try to get one more 1/4 mile race "in" before the Winter. We're doing another short block right now, 434 CID. But the "street" requirement has been lifted (won't see anymore street use). That means we can put some compression in it, AND a no-BS camshaft! Looking for mid 10s now! Jim 
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10-29-2009, 09:27 PM
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Re: Old goats go faster!
I seen one that will probally beat it and it was at a RM classic car auction.This GTO had a fuel injected 572 big block Chevy under the hood which was a customized car.
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10-30-2009, 08:39 AM
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Re: Old goats go faster!
With a Chevy under the hood, expecially one so "big", it's not really a Pontiac anymore. It takes no brains OR imagination to put a crater in anything and make it "go". IMO, he should have used a Chevelle... 440 CID vs. 572? Apples to donuts...
At Indy last year, we watched a demonstration at the GM Performance "tent" where they had a 572 "pump gas" engine on a running stand. They fired it up, "barked" it a bit and bragged about the power. For a mere $13,500, one can have 595 HP and 620 lbs. of torque on 93 octane. We have a customer in Maryland with a 505 CID Pontiac (IA-II block, 4.350" bore, 4.25" stroke). His engine makes 605 HP and 655 lb. ft. at a lower RPM, ON 93. It even has a flat tappet cam. $12,000, carb to pan. Apples to apples. Know of any 440 CID pump-gas Chevys with no power adders running like this at this weight? I'm sure there are a few "out there", but I haven't seen one. I DO have a customer with a 447 CID BBC (.100" over-bored 427) that runs REALLY well, but it has compression and is "race only". A 3,500 lb. '69 Chevelle going 9.60s... (5-speed manual!) I've built too many of virtually EVERY American V8 from the muscle car era. You'll never convince me the Chevy is superior to the Pontiac for a street engine. Afterall, GTO didn't get a reputation for LOSING to SS396... Race engine? Different story. Jim
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10-30-2009, 01:12 PM
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Re: Old goats go faster!
Interesting discussion, as I am sure we know, comparing two cars with what seems like similar parameters is nearly impossible, suspension mods, tire size, track and weather conditions, tuning, engine builders competence ,driving skills, are just some of the variables. On one week I ran 11.15 on a fast day a E Town, rerung the engine and did a torque plate hone, nothing else, cam back the next Sunday, and ran 11.03 and picked up 2 mph. The correction factors showed a much slower day and my competitors were off at least a .10, point is the Goat is " flyin." My usual times back in the 1/8 in the day, were 7 flats at 100, so the Goat has a good leave for sure.
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Last edited by maxwedge; 10-30-2009 at 07:26 PM.
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#5
10-30-2009, 01:43 PM
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Re: Old goats go faster!
Yup. 60' is around 1.40 most of the time.
The car has been 10.80 @ 123 in the recent past on a full track. Rick's won a couple bracket meets with it this year, too. Not bad for an old man driving a stick! He's usually about 1/2 a second "slow" at the Gear Jammer meets. Most of them run big Mopes or Chevys and have "compression"... He "worries" 'em all the time, though, just knowing he's "there"... We're trying to get him to 10.40, so he can "back up" to the 10.50 "line". He doesn't want to add a "halo" to the roll cage (required for ragtops under 10.50). Jim
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