cash for clunker engines

[EZFrank]

I was at a local junkyard today and seen some really nice vehicles i was wondering has anyone bought one of the engines and tried to flush the stuff out and been successful. I was talking to some one there who bought one of those clunker engines said he flushed it out and put fresh oil and engine ran great he was actually getting another engine. I just wanted to know if anyone else has had luck was going to get a 97 Blazer engine that i seen with only 52000 miles and give it a shot see if it would work if not i have 30 days to return and get another engine. anyways just rying to find any info. Thanks EZFrank

[exalteduser]

they used some kind of silica sand in the fuel from what i understand. the stickers on the clunkers read that, so makes me think it coul;d have jacked up the injectors /intake and maybe cyl walls. dont know though.

I really pissed me off seeing all those nicer cars at the junkyard too.
not to mention all the jackasses that turn in a nice car cause of some 30 dollar part they were too dumb to replace, then people tear it to pieces.

R.I.P. clunkers

[EZFrank]

I found a bottle of some stuff in one of the vehicles and it looked like it turned in to some kind of glass but was pretty sick stuff i just didnt know if they poured it into the oil or how the did this but some people were really dumb to get rid of some of those trucks. Thanks for the info. EZFrank

['97ventureowner]

Originally Posted by EZFrank

I found a bottle of some stuff in one of the vehicles and it looked like it turned in to some kind of glass but was pretty sick stuff i just didnt know if they poured it into the oil or how the did this but some people were really dumb to get rid of some of those trucks. Thanks for the info. EZFrank

What was poured into the engine was liquid glass. Here is the disablement procedure the dealers who were participating in the program were supposed to follow:

Engine Disablement Procedures for the CARS Program

THIS PROCEDURE IS NOT TO BE USED BY THE VEHICLE OWNER

Perform the following procedure to disable the vehicle engine.

1. Obtain solution of 40% sodium silicate/60% water. (The Sodium Silicate (SiO2/Na2O) must have a weight ratio of 3.0 or greater.)
2. Drain engine oil for environmentally appropriate disposal.
3. Install the oil drain plug.
4. Since the procedure is intended to render the engine inoperative, drive or move the vehicle to the desired area for disablement.
5. Pour enough solution in the engine through the oil fill for the oil pump to circulate the solution throughout the engine. Start by adding 2 quarts of the solution, which should be sufficient in most cases.

CAUTION: Wear goggles and gloves. Appropriate protective clothing should be worn to prevent silicate solution from coming into contact with the skin.

6. Replace the oil fill cap.
7. Start the engine.
8. Run engine at approximately 2000 rpm (for safety reasons do not operate at high rpm) until the engine stops. (Typically the engine will operate for 3 to 7 minutes. As the solution starts to affect engine operation, the operator will have to apply more throttle to keep the engine at 2000 rpm.)
9. Allow the engine to cool for at least 1 hour.
10. With the battery at full charge or with auxiliary power to provide the power of a fully
charged battery, attempt to start the engine.
11. If the engine will not operate at idle, the procedure is complete.
12. If the engine will operate at idle, repeat steps 7 through 11 until the engine will no
longer idle.
13. Attach a label to the engine that legibly states the following:

This engine is from a vehicle that is part of the Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS). It has significant internal damage caused by operating the engine with a sodium silicate solution (liquid glass) instead of oil.

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[jdmccright]

Forget it. Those engines should not even be available for sale. Any that are have been damaged by the sodium silicate solution beyond repair. The solution scours any and all moving and sliding surfaces previously lubed by the engine oil until the running engine seizes. You might....MIGHT...be able to salvage the block itself but you would have to replace everything on it, refinish/rebore the cylinders, and thoroughly flush the passages of any residual solution. Not worth the time or expense for the unknown lifespan you'd get.

['97ventureowner]

I'm wondering how many vehicles were "reported" to have the process done to permanently disable them but the process was never done? I'm sure there are those out there who would skirt the rules to make a little extra on the side. It depends on the checks and balances in place for the program though.

[jdmccright]

There is a specific requirement in the CARS Act to provide proof by the dealer to NHTSA that the vehicle being traded in has been "destroyed"...to the tune of a $15,000 fine and criminal punishment as well as not getting the $3,500-4,500 reimbursement. The dealer who wants to file for the reimbursement must also be legally, licenesed and registered dealers with the accompanying banking and tax identification to accept the electronic payments.

http://www.cars.gov/fraud

I'm guessing that in simplicity any vehicle attempted to be reregistered after being submitted as detroyed to the CARS system would raise a flag. But only the engine itself (and perhaps the oil pump, distributor, radiator, oil lines, and any other piece that may have had contact with the silicate solution) appears to be unusable.

['97ventureowner]

What I was referring to was not the vehicle itself but the engine being resold after it was "supposed " to be destroyed. It would be easier to fly under the radar with an engine rather than a whole vehicle with VIN #. In the early stages of formulating this program, the original intent was to destroy the whole vehicle, parts and all making it unsaleable in parts or as a whole. This would have really put a dent (pun intended) in the used parts market as it would take a sizeable chunk of potential inventory off the market. But as the program details progressed, I see they allowed the vehicle to be taken apart and some of the parts were allowed to be resold, just as long as the engine was destroyed first.There still is a timetable I believe where there must be proof shown that the vehicle , or whatever is left of it has been crushed or shredded. (I think 6 weeks was the original time frame from the opoint of the dealer taking in the CARS program vehicle.)

[jetfxr03]

Whenever there is money to be made there will be fraud. I frequent a local recycler (junkyard) and it is loaded with the C4C vehicles. I have pulled the fuel injectors out of a few of them and the residual gas smelled like it was a few years old. Obviously, the motors could not have been running when brought in. One truck had a rats nest in the air cleaner. There was one truck with a 454 in it. The valve covers and the intake manifold had been removed. The valve stems and rockers looked clean and there was no residue of the sodium silicate in the valley, only an oil film. If you find a low mileage motor pull the oil pan and check for anything other than oil. If it's clean, you got a deal.

[Taheezy]

Those engines are TOAST! At Best, Scavenge all the External parts you can muster off these cars. I for one will never in my life have another cAr payment. I am an Industrial/ Electronics Engineer and most of the jobs i have had were in Manufacturing plants...with all the Manufacturing going to China, Mexico, and other 3rd world countries, my jobs always end up with Furlows, Cutbacks, and Eventually Layoffs....Then what? I'm stuck with a Mortgage, CAr Payment / lease....Family to Feed.. Or fricken move all over the country looking for a new job and have to Pick up and MOVE...FUCK THAT!..
I bought me a used car, paid Cash, put a couple hundred into to restoring it to where it should be...and I picked a Car that KNOW will run forever given you keep the Oil changed etc. VOLVO. No car payment and I can drive this thing forever because I have a friend with a 240 from when were in High school back in 1979 and it still runs great!
I also bought a "banged up in the front" Lexus LS400, 94, Runs like a Top. Just needs Body parts. The Scrap yard I go to has over 1000 Cash for clunkers because at this place is where 90% of them wind up. The Crusher. So I get all the parts I need for ALL my Cars....Sell parts online, and keep my cars and everyone's car in the Family running.
I work all day doing what I like...Make my first $300 a day usually by 9 am and I'm good...I cruise the rest of the day. The Cash for clunker program was a Fuckin SCAM from the Word GO! here's why:

1. The Car companies already Bitched and Whined about a Bailout... and Got it. Then they took private jets to who knows where and had parties off the Loot. CROOKS!
2. Then the Banks wanted a Bailout......The Whined and Bitched and go what they wanted....
3...Now Read 1 & 2 again...Whose in Bed together????
The Gov't wants you to turn in your Gas Guzzling Perfectly running Later model (In some cases) car for a Less than Useful Sissy Car made from cheap Chinese steel POS. Get $4500 Credit which they have already Upped the price of the Car you're buying by Design by that amount or more.. So you THINK youre getting a Deal when all youre getting is MORE DEBT if you finance the new POS, The Car Company makes out like a Phat Rat, and so do the Banks... AGAAAAAAAAAAAIN! AGAIN they get more money even after they were Bailed out! Both the Automobile companies and the Banks...
....NOw....The C4C crowd may be the smart one's in the long run...Like when Gasoline hits 7 bucks a Gallon..??? They'll definately have the last laugh. But for now, Enjoy all the Spare parts you need! Find Porsche's and Audi's, Mercedes, Supras, GM's with Racing suspensions and Cars with Big Disc Brakes and Mod your Car!!!! Disc Brake Conversion for old Classic trucks.....Think outside the Box of the "Skull FUCKED Monkey" Brained Public and Getcho shit Inline.... Make your Paper under the Radar but Legally. TAx Free. Ebay, Craigslist, all over the internet. Start your own website. ( No drugs selling and all that shit cause nobody can afford it anymore except Meth heads...And who wants to Fuck with that Chemistry set????Eeeeew!)
The Light that burns twice as bright burns half as long. Burn Slow live long...

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